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Bob <k3cko@...>
 

To All 070 members,
 
I had fun on the 070 TDW contest even if propogation was not good.
After multiplying my score by the USA postal rates I decided to post the entire log on www.eQSL.cc . Anyone I worked can pick up their QSL via the internet ar this address. Incidentaly, These QSL's print out great on a 37 lb high briteness coated paper which is cheap at Wal-Mart in this country. If you work a lot of PSK like I do this sure saves a lot of money in postage.
 
73 Bob  K3CKO
 

DL2AYL@...
 

Bob schrieb:
To All 070 members,

I had fun on the 070 TDW contest even if propogation was not good.
After multiplying my score by the USA postal rates I decided to post the
entire log on www.eQSL.cc . Anyone I worked can pick up their QSL via the
internet ar this address. Incidentaly, These QSL's print out great on a 37
lb high briteness coated paper which is cheap at Wal-Mart in this country.
If you work a lot of PSK like I do this sure saves a lot of money in postage.

73 Bob K3CKO

Hi Bob,
don't know how the qsl bureau is organized in the USA, in Germany you'll not
find many fans of the eqsl. We have a central qsl bureau and we pay for
the shipping of qsl's with our membership fee for the radio club. Since the
eqsl's are not valid for any award an eqsl is as good as no qsl at all. Maybe
the eqsl is cheap for you, but here in Europe many people (also hams) have
internet access with a modem and most of us pay by the minute, loading down a
picture with a slow modem can cost more than a simple stamp.
Anyway my old fashioned qsl card is already on the way to you.
Usually I qsl via bureau every first contact (mode or band), so every 070 member
I met for the first time in the TDW will get a qsl.
73's de DL2AYL/Erika

Richard B Drake
 

Erika,
 
There actually are a great many European members of eQSL.cc but I do understand the cost issue with your internet access. In the US, most of us pay a very reasonable flat fee to an Internet Service Provider and have unlimited time on line. The phone calls are usually local calls which are also free and  unlimited (paid for by our normal flat rate telephone service fee). Since we would have both of these services anyway, you can see that an eQSL costs us absolutely nothing. For bureau cards we have to pay the postage for both incoming and outgoing cards. Though the bureau service is much cheaper than direct mail it is also extremely slow. It can take up to two years to complete a QSL exchange, while eQSL's are almost instant.
 
As far as award credit is concerned, you should be aware that the 070 club does accept eQSL's. Many of us who have adopted eQSL.cc have taken the attitude that if ARRL and some others will not accept eQSL's for award credit then we'll just get our awards elsewhere from someone who does. We aren't taking no for an answer!
 
------
73, Rich - W3ZJ
 

 -----Original Message-----
From: DL2AYL@... [mailto:DL2AYL@...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 1:03 PM
To: 070@...
Subject: Re: [070] QSL's

Bob schrieb:
> To All 070 members,
>
> I had fun on the 070 TDW contest even if propogation was not good.
> After multiplying my score by the USA postal rates I decided to post the
>  entire log on www.eQSL.cc . Anyone I worked can pick up their QSL via the
>  internet ar this address. Incidentaly, These QSL's print out great on a 37
>  lb high briteness coated paper which is cheap at Wal-Mart in this country.
>  If you work a lot of PSK like I do this sure saves a lot of money in postage.
>
> 73 Bob  K3CKO
>
>
Hi Bob,
don't know how the qsl bureau is organized in the USA, in Germany you'll not
find many fans of the eqsl. We have a central qsl bureau and we pay for
the shipping of qsl's with our membership fee for the radio club. Since the
eqsl's are not valid for any award an eqsl is as good as no qsl at all. Maybe
the eqsl is cheap for you, but here in Europe many people (also hams) have
internet access with a modem and most of us pay by the minute, loading down a
picture with a slow modem can cost more than a simple stamp.
Anyway my old fashioned qsl card is already on the way to you.
Usually I qsl via bureau every first contact (mode or band), so every 070 member
I met for the first time in the TDW will get a qsl.
73's de DL2AYL/Erika



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DL2AYL@...
 

Yes Rich, you are right the eqsl are cheap for you and they look like that.
I'll have to consider if I'll send qood quality qsl's in exchange for eqsl,
which I have to download and print myself, pay for the download, quality paper
and clor cartridges, you can't say that is a good deal for me. The expense
is completely on my side.
73's DL2AYL/Erika

Erika,

There actually are a great many European members of eQSL.cc but I do
understand the cost issue with your internet access. In the US, most of us
pay a very reasonable flat fee to an Internet Service Provider and have
unlimited time on line. The phone calls are usually local calls which are
also free and unlimited (paid for by our normal flat rate telephone service
fee). Since we would have both of these services anyway, you can see that an
eQSL costs us absolutely nothing. For bureau cards we have to pay the
postage for both incoming and outgoing cards. Though the bureau service is
much cheaper than direct mail it is also extremely slow. It can take up to
two years to complete a QSL exchange, while eQSL's are almost instant.

As far as award credit is concerned, you should be aware that the 070 club
does accept eQSL's. Many of us who have adopted eQSL.cc have taken the
attitude that if ARRL and some others will not accept eQSL's for award
credit then we'll just get our awards elsewhere from someone who does. We
aren't taking no for an answer!

------
73, Rich - W3ZJ

-----Original Message-----
From: DL2AYL@... [mailto:DL2AYL@...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 1:03 PM
To: 070@...
Subject: Re: [070] QSL's


Bob schrieb:
> To All 070 members,
>
> I had fun on the 070 TDW contest even if propogation was not good.
> After multiplying my score by the USA postal rates I decided to post the
> entire log on www.eQSL.cc . Anyone I worked can pick up their QSL via
the
> internet ar this address. Incidentaly, These QSL's print out great on a
37
> lb high briteness coated paper which is cheap at Wal-Mart in this
country.
> If you work a lot of PSK like I do this sure saves a lot of money in
postage.
>
> 73 Bob K3CKO
>
>
Hi Bob,
don't know how the qsl bureau is organized in the USA, in Germany you'll
not
find many fans of the eqsl. We have a central qsl bureau and we pay for
the shipping of qsl's with our membership fee for the radio club. Since
the
eqsl's are not valid for any award an eqsl is as good as no qsl at all.
Maybe
the eqsl is cheap for you, but here in Europe many people (also hams) have
internet access with a modem and most of us pay by the minute, loading
down a
picture with a slow modem can cost more than a simple stamp.
Anyway my old fashioned qsl card is already on the way to you.
Usually I qsl via bureau every first contact (mode or band), so every 070
member
I met for the first time in the TDW will get a qsl.
73's de DL2AYL/Erika


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Richard B Drake
 

Erika,
 
I haven't seen your cards but I take it that you have a really nice one. Indeed there are exceptions, but the vast majority of DX cards are poor quality printing on plain paper. Obviously, most of them are done the cheapest way they could find. Where folks have spent the time to prepare a nice graphic, many of the eQSL's are quite nice and of course the selection of paper and the quality of the printer is up to you. Whether you print them all, or just a few of the ones you really want is also up to you.
 
If you send me a paper card I will return one to you in addition to the eQSL and mine are nice 3 color cards professionally printed on heavy glossy card stock as well. eQSLing does not preclude a traditional QSL for those who really want one. But, I send eQSL's to 100% of my contacts and paper QSL's only to those who have indicated they want one.
 
In the past year I have sent out nearly 6000 eQSL's, 5000 of them to DX contacts. Had I sent that many paper cards, it would have cost me approximately $6,250.00 provided I never sent any IRC's or return postage. Cost to send the eQSL's, was a $30.00 donation. What did I do with all the money I saved? Well, I have a new 60' crank up tower with cubical quad on it, a new 500 watt solid state linear, a really neat little Yaesu FT-817 QRP rig and I still put money in the bank!
 
I wonder what the cost is for you to simply upload your log to eQSL.cc? This would give you a 100% QSL rate and you save your nice glossy card for that rare DX or special someone. You might be interested to know that Japan has the same bureau system that you do, where they join the JARL and get bureau usage for free.  But they are the 2nd largest group of
eQSL.cc users, and Germans are the 3rd largest with 4% of the total user base. So, I wouldn't exactly say there are "not many "fans" out there.
 
If you would like to continue this discussion, we should take it off line. My email address is below.
 
-----
73, Rich - W3ZJ

-----Original Message-----
From: DL2AYL@... [mailto:DL2AYL@...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 3:47 PM
To: 070@...
Subject: RE: [070] QSL's

Yes Rich, you are right the eqsl are cheap for you and they look like that.
I'll have to consider if I'll send qood quality qsl's in exchange for eqsl,
which I have to download and print myself, pay for the download, quality paper
and clor cartridges, you can't say that is a good deal for me. The expense
is completely on my side.
73's DL2AYL/Erika

> Erika,
>
> There actually are a great many European members of eQSL.cc but I do
> understand the cost issue with your internet access. In the US, most of us
> pay a very reasonable flat fee to an Internet Service Provider and have
> unlimited time on line. The phone calls are usually local calls which are
> also free and  unlimited (paid for by our normal flat rate telephone service
> fee). Since we would have both of these services anyway, you can see that an
> eQSL costs us absolutely nothing. For bureau cards we have to pay the
> postage for both incoming and outgoing cards. Though the bureau service is
> much cheaper than direct mail it is also extremely slow. It can take up to
> two years to complete a QSL exchange, while eQSL's are almost instant.
>
> As far as award credit is concerned, you should be aware that the 070 club
> does accept eQSL's. Many of us who have adopted eQSL.cc have taken the
> attitude that if ARRL and some others will not accept eQSL's for award
> credit then we'll just get our awards elsewhere from someone who does. We
> aren't taking no for an answer!
>
> ------
> 73, Rich - W3ZJ
>
>  -----Original Message-----
> From: DL2AYL@... [mailto:DL2AYL@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 1:03 PM
> To: 070@...
> Subject: Re: [070] QSL's
>
>
>   Bob schrieb:
>   > To All 070 members,
>   >
>   > I had fun on the 070 TDW contest even if propogation was not good.
>   > After multiplying my score by the USA postal rates I decided to post the
>   >  entire log on www.eQSL.cc . Anyone I worked can pick up their QSL via
> the
>   >  internet ar this address. Incidentaly, These QSL's print out great on a
> 37
>   >  lb high briteness coated paper which is cheap at Wal-Mart in this
> country.
>   >  If you work a lot of PSK like I do this sure saves a lot of money in
> postage.
>   >
>   > 73 Bob  K3CKO
>   >
>   >
>   Hi Bob,
>   don't know how the qsl bureau is organized in the USA, in Germany you'll
> not
>   find many fans of the eqsl. We have a central qsl bureau and we pay for
>   the shipping of qsl's with our membership fee for the radio club. Since
> the
>   eqsl's are not valid for any award an eqsl is as good as no qsl at all.
> Maybe
>   the eqsl is cheap for you, but here in Europe many people (also hams) have
>   internet access with a modem and most of us pay by the minute, loading
> down a
>   picture with a slow modem can cost more than a simple stamp.
>   Anyway my old fashioned qsl card is already on the way to you.
>   Usually I qsl via bureau every first contact (mode or band), so every 070
> member
>   I met for the first time in the TDW will get a qsl.
>   73's de DL2AYL/Erika
>
>
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Steve W3HF
 

Rich (and others) -

Let me be the first to say that Erika has a very nice
card. And I was pleased to get one as my first QSL
from DL-land. (Thanks, Erika. BTW, she even returned
my IRC.)

I know there are multiple opinions on the matter, but
I for one am not yet willing to give up on the ARRL
and their awards, at least not yet. So I follow a
split approach:

1. I QSL direct to any state or country I need for an
award. (At this point, I'm really only interested in
WAS and DXCC. I don't chase counties or prefixes. I
used to say I didn't chase islands, but the 070ers
have changed that. hi) For DX, I always include an IRC
or green stamps. For US states, I sometimes include an
SASE. (With 45 confirmed so far, any of the last five
I need will get an SASE.) I've probably spent $200 in
the past six months on postage and IRCs, but I also
have 45 states and 45 countries confirmed in the same
time. (And 33 other countries and one state still
outstanding.) BTW, I've started buying IRCs from a QSL
manager for $1 each instead of $1.75 to the USPS.

2. I QSL all other DX contacts via bureau. Ten
outgoing cards costs me $1.34. ($1 to the ARRL, and 10
of my cards plus envelope plus check plus copy of
membership card weigh just under one ounce.) I also
keep a supply of envelopes and postage at the incoming
bureau. Total cost to me is under $4 per month.

3. I return a QSL to any US station who sends me one,
no return postage required. I figure if they want my
card, I will cheerfully oblige. After all, I did not
include return postage for my first 40 states.

4. I reciprocate all eqsls with eqsls, at least
eventually. (I'm a little behind, so if any of you are
waiting, I'll get to you--I promise.) I do not use an
automatic logging program, so any entry I make other
than a reply is a manual upload. I've only done that a
few times.

Anyway, that's my approach, and I feel it works for
me.

73,
Steve
W3HF

--- Richard B Drake <rich@...> wrote:
Erika,

I haven't seen your cards but I take it that you
have a really nice one.
Indeed there are exceptions, but the vast majority
of DX cards are poor
quality printing on plain paper. Obviously, most of
them are done the
cheapest way they could find. Where folks have spent
the time to prepare a
nice graphic, many of the eQSL's are quite nice and
of course the selection
of paper and the quality of the printer is up to
you. Whether you print them
all, or just a few of the ones you really want is
also up to you.

If you send me a paper card I will return one to you
in addition to the eQSL
and mine are nice 3 color cards professionally
printed on heavy glossy card
stock as well. eQSLing does not preclude a
traditional QSL for those who
really want one. But, I send eQSL's to 100% of my
contacts and paper QSL's
only to those who have indicated they want one.

In the past year I have sent out nearly 6000 eQSL's,
5000 of them to DX
contacts. Had I sent that many paper cards, it would
have cost me
approximately $6,250.00 provided I never sent any
IRC's or return postage.
Cost to send the eQSL's, was a $30.00 donation. What
did I do with all the
money I saved? Well, I have a new 60' crank up tower
with cubical quad on
it, a new 500 watt solid state linear, a really neat
little Yaesu FT-817 QRP
rig and I still put money in the bank!

I wonder what the cost is for you to simply upload
your log to eQSL.cc? This
would give you a 100% QSL rate and you save your
nice glossy card for that
rare DX or special someone. You might be interested
to know that Japan has
the same bureau system that you do, where they join
the JARL and get bureau
usage for free. But they are the 2nd largest group
of
eQSL.cc users, and Germans are the 3rd largest with
4% of the total user
base. So, I wouldn't exactly say there are "not many
"fans" out there.

If you would like to continue this discussion, we
should take it off line.
My email address is below.

-----
73, Rich - W3ZJ
rich@...


-----Original Message-----
From: DL2AYL@...
[mailto:DL2AYL@...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 3:47 PM
To: 070@...
Subject: RE: [070] QSL's


Yes Rich, you are right the eqsl are cheap for you
and they look like
that.
I'll have to consider if I'll send qood quality
qsl's in exchange for
eqsl,
which I have to download and print myself, pay for
the download, quality
paper
and clor cartridges, you can't say that is a good
deal for me. The expense
is completely on my side.
73's DL2AYL/Erika

> Erika,
>
> There actually are a great many European members
of eQSL.cc but I do
> understand the cost issue with your internet
access. In the US, most of
us
> pay a very reasonable flat fee to an Internet
Service Provider and have
> unlimited time on line. The phone calls are
usually local calls which
are
> also free and unlimited (paid for by our normal
flat rate telephone
service
> fee). Since we would have both of these services
anyway, you can see
that an
> eQSL costs us absolutely nothing. For bureau
cards we have to pay the
> postage for both incoming and outgoing cards.
Though the bureau service
is
> much cheaper than direct mail it is also
extremely slow. It can take up
to
> two years to complete a QSL exchange, while
eQSL's are almost instant.
>
> As far as award credit is concerned, you should
be aware that the 070
club
> does accept eQSL's. Many of us who have adopted
eQSL.cc have taken the
> attitude that if ARRL and some others will not
accept eQSL's for award
> credit then we'll just get our awards elsewhere
from someone who does.
We
> aren't taking no for an answer!
>
> ------
> 73, Rich - W3ZJ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DL2AYL@...
[mailto:DL2AYL@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 1:03 PM
> To: 070@...
> Subject: Re: [070] QSL's
>
>
> Bob schrieb:
> > To All 070 members,
> >
> > I had fun on the 070 TDW contest even if
propogation was not good.
> > After multiplying my score by the USA postal
rates I decided to post
the
> > entire log on www.eQSL.cc . Anyone I worked
can pick up their QSL
via
> the
> > internet ar this address. Incidentaly,
These QSL's print out great
on a
> 37
> > lb high briteness coated paper which is
cheap at Wal-Mart in this
> country.
> > If you work a lot of PSK like I do this
sure saves a lot of money
in
> postage.
> >
> > 73 Bob K3CKO
> >
> >
> Hi Bob,
> don't know how the qsl bureau is organized in
the USA, in Germany
you'll
> not
> find many fans of the eqsl. We have a central
qsl bureau and we pay
for
> the shipping of qsl's with our membership fee
for the radio club.
Since
> the
> eqsl's are not valid for any award an eqsl is
as good as no qsl at
all.
> Maybe
> the eqsl is cheap for you, but here in Europe
many people (also hams)
have
> internet access with a modem and most of us
pay by the minute, loading
> down a
> picture with a slow modem can cost more than a
simple stamp.
> Anyway my old fashioned qsl card is already on
the way to you.
> Usually I qsl via bureau every first contact
(mode or band), so every
070
> member
> I met for the first time in the TDW will get a
qsl.
> 73's de DL2AYL/Erika
>
>
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