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Have heard from my Boss that he wants all endorsements for 2020 cleared out. So, I convinced/pleaded with Boss to allow me to finish with endorsements at 12/31/2020. Anything which comes in after that date will go into next mailing after January. With some of the checker problems experienced it's been a difficult job putting everything on a spreadsheet. Please bear with me for any errors/omissions . Thank you. Jerry N9AVY Endorsement Director
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Steve VA3FLF/KM4FLF
Thanks Jerry. I decided to do a year end upload last night. I need to sort out all the false IOTA but had a few new endorsements pop up.
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Steve 2301 VA3FLF
On Dec 29, 2020, at 18:19, Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...> wrote:
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You should probably submit everything on 12/30 because the 12/31 endorsements won't show up until 1/1/21. Jerry
On Tuesday, December 29, 2020, 05:25:13 PM CST, Steve R via groups.io <oldjavadrinker@...> wrote:
Thanks Jerry. I decided to do a year end upload last night. I need to sort out all the false IOTA but had a few new endorsements pop up. Steve 2301 VA3FLF On Dec 29, 2020, at 18:19, Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...> wrote:
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But he uploaded last night Jerry. They should show up. Jim K5SP
On 12/29/2020 5:28 PM, Jerry N9AVY
wrote:
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Jim, K5SP #483 Executive Director/Member Services Director
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Only thing which showed up today was NO8R's LONP 1500 AGAIN ! Jerry
On Tuesday, December 29, 2020, 06:12:14 PM CST, Jim K5SP <jinnis@...> wrote:
But he uploaded last night Jerry. They should show up. Jim K5SP On 12/29/2020 5:28 PM, Jerry N9AVY
wrote:
You should probably submit
everything on 12/30 because the 12/31 endorsements won't show
up until 1/1/21.
Jerry
On Tuesday, December 29, 2020, 05:25:13 PM CST, Steve R
via groups.io <oldjavadrinker@...>
wrote:
Thanks Jerry. I decided to do a year end upload last
night. I need to sort out all the false IOTA but had a
few new endorsements pop up.
Steve
2301
VA3FLF
On Dec 29, 2020, at 18:19, Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...> wrote:
-- Jim, K5SP #483 Executive Director/Member Services Director
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Yeah, it’s interesting...whenever I upload to the awards checker, it tells me that I have a new award which is LONP 1500, so I submit it. I also have 1558 member numbers but the checker program says I only have 1445.
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Delos NO8R Sent from My iPad 3
On Dec 29, 2020, at 7:43 PM, Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...> wrote:
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Correction: the checker shows my LONP total as 1544.
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Delos NO8R Sent from My iPad 3
On Dec 30, 2020, at 8:48 AM, DelosByrne <drbyrne@...> wrote:
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Stephen Melachrinos
Delos -
We believe the LONP problems are related to the scripts that drive the membership lists. And these scripts (I believe) were among the first to "fail" when Google deprecated the API that was being used. (I'm not a programmer, but that sounded pretty good, didn't it?)
I'm not sure I said it correctly, but here's a layman's description:
A lot (if not all) of the club's records were/are kept in Google Sheets. These records were updated using scripts written using a Google-defined Application Programming Interface (API). Google announced late in 2019 that they would be modifying the API for Google Sheets, and that meant that certain features of the scripting language would be changing. No one really knew how many of the scripts would be affected, and we've seen some (but not all) of the features fail since the date of the change. One of the largest was that the automated membership routines stopped working. An alternate method was created to accept member applications, but it is not updating certain member files. Some of the artifacts of that are the list of members within the LONP section of the web site--that ends at 2786 even though we are up to 2813 now. One of the consequences of this (we believe) is that the LONP checker is not using the current member list. So no one is getting credit for members above #2786, and members who themselves joined after 2786 get no credit at all (since the database being used doesn't even show them as members).
So in your particular case, I'll guess that 14 of the member contacts you have in your 1558 total are with members above 2786. (That's comparable to what I have, too.) But since the checker doesn't know about these new members, you don't get the credit. Until we get the code re-written, processing a LONP application will have to include a manual process to credit members above 2786.
This doesn't explain, though, why your LONP 1500 keeps showing up. That's probably another defect in the code somewhere.
Steve
W3HF
-----Original Message-----
From: delos_byrne <drbyrne@...> To: main@070club.groups.io Sent: Wed, Dec 30, 2020 8:52 am Subject: Re: [070Club] Endorsements deadline (sort of) Correction: the checker shows my LONP total as 1544.
Delos NO8R
Sent from My iPad 3
On Dec 30, 2020, at 8:48 AM, DelosByrne <drbyrne@...> wrote:
Yeah, it’s interesting...whenever I upload to the awards checker, it tells me that I have a new award which is LONP 1500, so I submit it. I also have 1558 member numbers but the checker program says I only have 1445.
Delos NO8R
Sent from My iPad 3
On Dec 29, 2020, at 7:43 PM, Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...> wrote:
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I've seen your LONP 1500 maybe 3 times in last week or so. Don't click on it any more, please ! It just generates bogus reports. The checker is ailing and hopefully will be working as it should sometime in 2021. 2020 was not a good year. Jerry n9avy
On Wednesday, December 30, 2020, 07:48:36 AM CST, delos_byrne <drbyrne@...> wrote:
Yeah, it’s interesting...whenever I upload to the awards checker, it tells me that I have a new award which is LONP 1500, so I submit it. I also have 1558 member numbers but the checker program says I only have 1445. Delos NO8R Sent from My iPad 3 On Dec 29, 2020, at 7:43 PM, Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...> wrote:
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I believe Delos said he keeps clicking on the endorsement in hopes of fixing it. If anyone does more than one click, it won't fix anything except my sanity (hoo-hoo !). Jerry n9avy
On Wednesday, December 30, 2020, 08:15:31 AM CST, Stephen Melachrinos via groups.io <melachri@...> wrote:
Delos -
We believe the LONP problems are related to the scripts that drive the membership lists. And these scripts (I believe) were among the first to "fail" when Google deprecated the API that was being used. (I'm not a programmer, but that sounded pretty good, didn't it?)
I'm not sure I said it correctly, but here's a layman's description:
A lot (if not all) of the club's records were/are kept in Google Sheets. These records were updated using scripts written using a Google-defined Application Programming Interface (API). Google announced late in 2019 that they would be modifying the API for Google Sheets, and that meant that certain features of the scripting language would be changing. No one really knew how many of the scripts would be affected, and we've seen some (but not all) of the features fail since the date of the change. One of the largest was that the automated membership routines stopped working. An alternate method was created to accept member applications, but it is not updating certain member files. Some of the artifacts of that are the list of members within the LONP section of the web site--that ends at 2786 even though we are up to 2813 now. One of the consequences of this (we believe) is that the LONP checker is not using the current member list. So no one is getting credit for members above #2786, and members who themselves joined after 2786 get no credit at all (since the database being used doesn't even show them as members).
So in your particular case, I'll guess that 14 of the member contacts you have in your 1558 total are with members above 2786. (That's comparable to what I have, too.) But since the checker doesn't know about these new members, you don't get the credit. Until we get the code re-written, processing a LONP application will have to include a manual process to credit members above 2786.
This doesn't explain, though, why your LONP 1500 keeps showing up. That's probably another defect in the code somewhere.
Steve
W3HF
-----Original Message-----
From: delos_byrne <drbyrne@...> To: main@070club.groups.io Sent: Wed, Dec 30, 2020 8:52 am Subject: Re: [070Club] Endorsements deadline (sort of) Correction: the checker shows my LONP total as 1544.
Delos NO8R
Sent from My iPad 3
On Dec 30, 2020, at 8:48 AM, DelosByrne <drbyrne@...> wrote:
Yeah, it’s interesting...whenever I upload to the awards checker, it tells me that I have a new award which is LONP 1500, so I submit it. I also have 1558 member numbers but the checker program says I only have 1445.
Delos NO8R
Sent from My iPad 3
On Dec 29, 2020, at 7:43 PM, Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...> wrote:
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Great response Steve! Sums it up in a nutshell. And, Jerry that may be beyond repair! 73 Jim K5SP
On 12/30/2020 8:30 AM, Jerry N9AVY
wrote:
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Jim, K5SP #483 Executive Director/Member Services Director
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Stephen Melachrinos
Jim -
I don't think anyone has ever described ANYTHING I've ever written as fitting in a nutshell. Thanks!
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim K5SP <jinnis@...> To: main@070Club.groups.io Sent: Wed, Dec 30, 2020 9:48 am Subject: Re: [070Club] Endorsements deadline (sort of) Great response Steve! Sums it up in a nutshell.
And, Jerry that may be beyond repair!
73
Jim K5SP
On 12/30/2020 8:30 AM, Jerry N9AVY
wrote:
I believe Delos said he keeps
clicking on the endorsement in hopes of fixing it.
If anyone does more than one
click, it won't fix anything except my sanity (hoo-hoo !).
Jerry n9avy
On Wednesday, December 30, 2020, 08:15:31 AM CST,
Stephen Melachrinos via groups.io
<melachri@...> wrote:
Delos
-
We believe the LONP problems are related
to the scripts that drive the membership
lists. And these scripts (I believe) were
among the first to "fail" when Google
deprecated the API that was being used. (I'm not a
programmer, but that sounded pretty good,
didn't it?)
I'm
not sure I said it correctly, but here's a
layman's description:
A lot (if not all) of the club's records
were/are kept in Google Sheets. These
records were updated using scripts written
using a Google-defined Application
Programming Interface (API). Google
announced late in 2019 that they would be
modifying the API for Google Sheets, and
that meant that certain features of the
scripting language would be changing. No one
really knew how many of the scripts would be
affected, and we've seen some (but not all)
of the features fail since the date of the
change. One of the largest was that the
automated membership routines stopped
working. An alternate method was created to
accept member applications, but it is not
updating certain member files. Some of the
artifacts of that are the list of members
within the LONP section of the web
site--that ends at 2786 even though we are
up to 2813 now. One of the consequences of
this (we believe) is that the LONP checker
is not using the current member list. So no
one is getting credit for members above
#2786, and members who themselves joined
after 2786 get no credit at all (since the
database being used doesn't even show them
as members).
So in your particular case, I'll guess
that 14 of the member contacts you have in
your 1558 total are with members above 2786.
(That's comparable to what I have, too.) But
since the checker doesn't know about these
new members, you don't get the credit. Until
we get the code re-written, processing a
LONP application will have to include a
manual process to credit members above 2786.
This doesn't explain, though, why your
LONP 1500 keeps showing up. That's probably
another defect in the code somewhere.
Steve
W3HF
-----Original
Message-----
From: delos_byrne <drbyrne@...> To: main@070club.groups.io Sent: Wed, Dec 30, 2020 8:52 am Subject: Re: [070Club] Endorsements deadline (sort of) Correction: the checker shows my
LONP total as 1544.
Yeah, it’s interesting...whenever
I upload to the awards checker, it
tells me that I have a new award
which is LONP 1500, so I submit it.
I also have 1558 member numbers but
the checker program says I only have
1445.
Delos NO8R
Sent from My iPad 3
On Dec 29, 2020, at 7:43 PM, Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...> wrote:
-- Jim, K5SP #483 Executive Director/Member Services Director
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Nutshell is a crazy piece of software ! Jerry
On Wednesday, December 30, 2020, 09:10:35 AM CST, Stephen Melachrinos via groups.io <melachri@...> wrote:
Jim -
I don't think anyone has ever described ANYTHING I've ever written as fitting in a nutshell. Thanks!
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim K5SP <jinnis@...> To: main@070Club.groups.io Sent: Wed, Dec 30, 2020 9:48 am Subject: Re: [070Club] Endorsements deadline (sort of) Great response Steve! Sums it up in a nutshell.
And, Jerry that may be beyond repair!
73
Jim K5SP
On 12/30/2020 8:30 AM, Jerry N9AVY
wrote:
I believe Delos said he keeps
clicking on the endorsement in hopes of fixing it.
If anyone does more than one
click, it won't fix anything except my sanity (hoo-hoo !).
Jerry n9avy
On Wednesday, December 30, 2020, 08:15:31 AM CST,
Stephen Melachrinos via groups.io
<melachri@...> wrote:
Delos
-
We believe the LONP problems are related
to the scripts that drive the membership
lists. And these scripts (I believe) were
among the first to "fail" when Google
deprecated the API that was being used. (I'm not a
programmer, but that sounded pretty good,
didn't it?)
I'm
not sure I said it correctly, but here's a
layman's description:
A lot (if not all) of the club's records
were/are kept in Google Sheets. These
records were updated using scripts written
using a Google-defined Application
Programming Interface (API). Google
announced late in 2019 that they would be
modifying the API for Google Sheets, and
that meant that certain features of the
scripting language would be changing. No one
really knew how many of the scripts would be
affected, and we've seen some (but not all)
of the features fail since the date of the
change. One of the largest was that the
automated membership routines stopped
working. An alternate method was created to
accept member applications, but it is not
updating certain member files. Some of the
artifacts of that are the list of members
within the LONP section of the web
site--that ends at 2786 even though we are
up to 2813 now. One of the consequences of
this (we believe) is that the LONP checker
is not using the current member list. So no
one is getting credit for members above
#2786, and members who themselves joined
after 2786 get no credit at all (since the
database being used doesn't even show them
as members).
So in your particular case, I'll guess
that 14 of the member contacts you have in
your 1558 total are with members above 2786.
(That's comparable to what I have, too.) But
since the checker doesn't know about these
new members, you don't get the credit. Until
we get the code re-written, processing a
LONP application will have to include a
manual process to credit members above 2786.
This doesn't explain, though, why your
LONP 1500 keeps showing up. That's probably
another defect in the code somewhere.
Steve
W3HF
-----Original
Message-----
From: delos_byrne <drbyrne@...> To: main@070club.groups.io Sent: Wed, Dec 30, 2020 8:52 am Subject: Re: [070Club] Endorsements deadline (sort of) Correction: the checker shows my
LONP total as 1544.
Yeah, it’s interesting...whenever
I upload to the awards checker, it
tells me that I have a new award
which is LONP 1500, so I submit it.
I also have 1558 member numbers but
the checker program says I only have
1445.
Delos NO8R
Sent from My iPad 3
On Dec 29, 2020, at 7:43 PM, Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...> wrote:
-- Jim, K5SP #483 Executive Director/Member Services Director
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Delos,
I've also experienced anomalies in the LONP Checker.
I've communicated these to Jim, K5SP.
Given time, it will be fixed. We've got other issues that will also by fixed.
For now, lets all enjoy the holiday season and be patient.
At one time, when I was Contest Director, I was given an "inside tour" of some of our software by the previous administration.
It just looked like a bunch of "dos" to me.
Thanks to Jim!...And David!...And Stan!...And Steve!, for knowing & doing a lot to keep us as THE A+, #1, Preeminent BPSK Club, to infinity & beyond! And, Happy New Year to all!
From Milt, N6MG & Red, W6QP
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From: delos_byrne <drbyrne@...> To: main@070club.groups.io Sent: Wed, Dec 30, 2020 5:48 am Subject: Re: [070Club] Endorsements deadline (sort of) Yeah, it’s interesting...whenever I upload to the awards checker, it tells me that I have a new award which is LONP 1500, so I submit it. I also have 1558 member numbers but the checker program says I only have 1445.
Delos NO8R
Sent from My iPad 3
On Dec 29, 2020, at 7:43 PM, Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...> wrote:
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W7RTL
When I use the endorsement checker and it says "New Awards Completed. Select the ones you would like to submit for approval" should I ignore it if I have already submitted for these awards? I appreciate the work you do and certainly don't want to make any unnecessary work for you, but how will I know if my awards have been accepted? Tnx 73 W7RTL Rich
On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 11:19 PM Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...> wrote:
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When approved, Jerry sends me a spreadsheet showing approvals. I then enter them into the club "database", and then the website picks them up for the Recent Awards and displays them. You might not see them because of a massive effort the past few days to get all the contest stickers added. If you want to know about specific ones, I will gladly check them for you. Jim K5SP
On Dec 30, 2020 10:03 PM, W7RTL <rtlatimer60@...> wrote:
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Jim, K5SP #483 Executive Director/Member Services Director
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