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I have the Hustler ground mounted over 40 radials of differing length - due to the lot. The shortest is about 15 feet and the longest about 28 feet. The Hustler has DXEngineering 12m and 17m add-ons, and I can tune without cutting any tubes. Here's the readings from the MFJ259B SWR R X 3.580 1.0 50 3 7.035 1.1 38 0 7.070 1.2 36 0 10.140 1.1 54 8 14.070 1.1 42 0 18.100 1.0 52 3 21.070 1.1 46 6 24.920 1.1 72 0 28.120 1.0 64 0 I follow the DXEngineering guide - Chapter 7 - for tuning instead of the Hustler's instructions. If you don't have it, you can download it HERE in PDF format. Good luck and I hope that helps. Let me know! Rick - N7WE 070 - #1602
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Rick: Did you start tuning 0n 10m and work your way up to 80/160m ? Just curious. My dual sloper isn't working yet. Jerry
From: Rick - N7WE <n7we1980@...> To: 070Club@groups.io Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 2:05 PM Subject: Re: [070Club] Hustler 6BTV Dick- I have the Hustler ground mounted over 40 radials of differing length - due to the lot. The shortest is about 15 feet and the longest about 28 feet. The Hustler has DXEngineering 12m and 17m add-ons, and I can tune without cutting any tubes. Here's the readings from the MFJ259B SWR R X 3.580 1.0 50 3 7.035 1.1 38 0 7.070 1.2 36 0 10.140 1.1 54 8 14.070 1.1 42 0 18.100 1.0 52 3 21.070 1.1 46 6 24.920 1.1 72 0 28.120 1.0 64 0 I follow the DXEngineering guide - Chapter 7 - for tuning instead of the Hustler's instructions. If you don't have it, you can download it HERE in PDF format. Good luck and I hope that helps. Let me know! Rick - N7WE 070 - #1602
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That's what I did. Started on 10, then 15, readjust 10 and 15 until have both. This did require moving the traps from the factory positioning on the tubes, not just changing the overall spacing. Then adjusted 20 and readjusted 10, 15, and 20 until I had all three....and so on thru 80. Then went back and did 12 (adjusts with HotRodz) with only minimal change on 10 (no adjustment needed) and the same with 17. It took a while, lots of ups and downs, but wasn't too bad as I had installed the DXEngineering tilt-base when I put it up. When we were traveling summers, I took the antenna down and stored it in three pieces. Reinstalling in the fall only required minor tweaking. What I have noticed is that with the change in temps here in Florida from winter to summer, there is sufficient expansion of the aluminum tubing to change the tuning. Now that we are home summers, I re-tune when it heats up and then again when it cools off! Probably a waste, but I like to have things as close as I can. And it gives me something to do! Rick - N7WE
On 1/30/2018 15:21, Jerry N9AVY wrote:
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Mike Besemer <mwbesemer@...>
Rick, If you're really looking for something to do, I need a hole dug to plant my Gap Titan DX. Mike WM4B
On Jan 30, 2018 3:50 PM, Rick - N7WE <n7we1980@...> wrote:
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Gap Titan DX great antenna
From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Besemer
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 4:01 PM To: 070Club@groups.io Subject: Re: [070Club] Hustler 6BTV
Rick,
If you're really looking for something to do, I need a hole dug to plant my Gap Titan DX.
Mike WM4B On Jan 30, 2018 3:50 PM, Rick - N7WE <n7we1980@...> wrote: That's what I did. Started on 10, then 15, readjust 10 and 15 until have both. This did require moving the traps from the factory positioning on the tubes, not just changing the overall spacing. Then adjusted 20 and readjusted 10, 15, and 20 until I had all three....and so on thru 80. Then went back and did 12 (adjusts with HotRodz) with only minimal change on 10 (no adjustment needed) and the same with 17. It took a while, lots of ups and downs, but wasn't too bad as I had installed the DXEngineering tilt-base when I put it up. When we were traveling summers, I took the antenna down and stored it in three pieces. Reinstalling in the fall only required minor tweaking. What I have noticed is that with the change in temps here in Florida from winter to summer, there is sufficient expansion of the aluminum tubing to change the tuning. Now that we are home summers, I re-tune when it heats up and then again when it cools off! Probably a waste, but I like to have things as close as I can. And it gives me something to do! Rick - N7WE
On 1/30/2018 15:21, Jerry N9AVY wrote:
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Golly Mike, I'd really like to help
out, but.......I'm not certified to excavate! I once ran into a guy who was a registered professional excavation engineer. No kidding! He designed and certified excavation plans for large constructions like high rise buildings, TV towers, etc. He was a character. Would tell people he "started out small and just keep getting in deeper and deeper. Planned to retire if he ever got out of the hole he was in!" Rick - N7WE
On 1/30/2018 16:01, Mike Besemer wrote:
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Mike Besemer <mwbesemer@...>
Nice! I guess I’m qualified… I’m always in the hole some way or another!
Well, I just broke ground. Had to find the exact site that was not visible from mama’s chair in the sunroom. I think I found the right spot – and if not I’ll have to ask for forgiveness (again). I might have to remove a tree branch at the far end so I can tilt the antenna over, but that won’t be a problem if necessary. We had over an inch of rain Sunday, so I figured I’d better strike when the iron was soft. Got down about 2 feet and about a foot in diameter. Need to go a foot deeper and 6” bigger around, but at least I haven’t hit Kaolin yet. I'm going to set two 4 x 4's three feet in the ground (in concrete) with the mast between them tilting at about the 4' 6" mark. The antenna is supposed to be 25' high, so figuring just a bit of mast above the 4 x 4's, my 30' clear-zone should be okay. (I hope!) Mama is taking my truck to Florida this weekend, so I'd better go get some concrete mix or I'll be hauling it in the back of my son's Ford Focus. Mike WM4B From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Rick - N7WE Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 4:13 PM To: 070Club@groups.io Subject: Re: [070Club] Hustler 6BTV Golly Mike, I'd really like to help out, but.......I'm not certified to excavate! I once ran into a guy who was a registered professional excavation engineer. No kidding! He designed and certified excavation plans for large constructions like high rise buildings, TV towers, etc. He was a character. Would tell people he "started out small and just keep getting in deeper and deeper. Planned to retire if he ever got out of the hole he was in!" Rick - N7WE On 1/30/2018 16:01, Mike Besemer wrote: Rick, If you're really looking for something to do, I need a hole dug to plant my Gap Titan DX. Mike WM4B On Jan 30, 2018 3:50 PM, Rick - N7WE <n7we1980@gmail.com> wrote: That's what I did. Started on 10, then 15, readjust 10 and 15 until have both. This did require moving the traps from the factory positioning on the tubes, not just changing the overall spacing. Then adjusted 20 and readjusted 10, 15, and 20 until I had all three....and so on thru 80. Then went back and did 12 (adjusts with HotRodz) with only minimal change on 10 (no adjustment needed) and the same with 17. It took a while, lots of ups and downs, but wasn't too bad as I had installed the DXEngineering tilt-base when I put it up. When we were traveling summers, I took the antenna down and stored it in three pieces. Reinstalling in the fall only required minor tweaking. What I have noticed is that with the change in temps here in Florida from winter to summer, there is sufficient expansion of the aluminum tubing to change the tuning. Now that we are home summers, I re-tune when it heats up and then again when it cools off! Probably a waste, but I like to have things as close as I can. And it gives me something to do! Rick - N7WE On 1/30/2018 15:21, Jerry N9AVY wrote: Rick: Did you start tuning 0n 10m and work your way up to 80/160m ? Just curious. My dual sloper isn't working yet. Jerry ________________________________________ From: Rick - N7WE <n7we1980@gmail.com> To: 070Club@groups.io Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 2:05 PM Subject: Re: [070Club] Hustler 6BTV Dick- I have the Hustler ground mounted over 40 radials of differing length - due to the lot. The shortest is about 15 feet and the longest about 28 feet. The Hustler has DXEngineering 12m and 17m add-ons, and I can tune without cutting any tubes. Here's the readings from the MFJ259B SWR R X 3.580 1.0 50 3 7.035 1.1 38 0 7.070 1.2 36 0 10.140 1.1 54 8 14.070 1.1 42 0 18.100 1.0 52 3 21.070 1.1 46 6 24.920 1.1 72 0 28.120 1.0 64 0 I follow the DXEngineering guide - Chapter 7 - for tuning instead of the Hustler's instructions. If you don't have it, you can download it HERE in PDF format. Good luck and I hope that helps. Let me know! Rick - N7WE 070 - #1602 Virus-free. www.avg.com -- Rick - N7WE 070 - #1602 -- Rick - N7WE 070 - #1602
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I've heard tell that anything lower than 2.1:1 is okay. That was from all the old timers in the 70's. Jerry n9avy
From: Rick - N7WE <n7we1980@...> To: 070Club@groups.io Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 2:50 PM Subject: Re: [070Club] Hustler 6BTV That's what I did. Started on 10,
then 15, readjust 10 and 15 until have both. This did require
moving the traps from the factory positioning on the tubes, not
just changing the overall spacing. Then adjusted 20 and readjusted
10, 15, and 20 until I had all three....and so on thru 80. Then
went back and did 12 (adjusts with HotRodz) with only minimal
change on 10 (no adjustment needed) and the same with 17. It
took a while, lots of ups and downs, but wasn't too bad as I had
installed the DXEngineering tilt-base when I put it up. When we
were traveling summers, I took the antenna down and stored it in
three pieces. Reinstalling in the fall only required minor
tweaking. What I have noticed is that with the change in temps
here in Florida from winter to summer, there is sufficient expansion
of the aluminum tubing to change the tuning. Now that we are
home summers, I re-tune when it heats up and then again when it
cools off! Probably a waste, but I like to have things as close
as I can. And it gives me something to do!
Rick - N7WE
On 1/30/2018 15:21, Jerry N9AVY wrote:
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It won't grow. Jerry n9avy
From: Mike Besemer <mwbesemer@...> To: 070Club@groups.io Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 3:01 PM Subject: Re: [070Club] Hustler 6BTV Rick, If you're really looking for something to do, I need a hole dug to plant my Gap Titan DX. Mike WM4B On Jan 30, 2018 3:50 PM, Rick - N7WE <n7we1980@...> wrote:
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I mounted a 6BTV with the DXEngineering tilt-over base on top of my taller tin-roofed barn back in 2007 (about 45ft height). After some testing I decided that the tin roof had good enough connections between the "tin" sheets to provide a decent ground plane. I guess it worked okay, since I got my DXCC with that antenna, before I had a beam. Tom K8TOM 815
On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 1:53 PM, Mike Besemer <mwbesemer@...> wrote: Nice! I guess I’m qualified… I’m always in the hole some way or another!
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Mike Besemer <mwbesemer@...>
As long as it stays the same size, I’ll be happy!
Mike WM4B From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Jerry N9AVY Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 5:17 PM To: 070Club@groups.io Subject: Re: [070Club] Hustler 6BTV It won't grow. Jerry n9avy ________________________________________ From: Mike Besemer <mwbesemer@cox.net> To: 070Club@groups.io Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 3:01 PM Subject: Re: [070Club] Hustler 6BTV Rick, If you're really looking for something to do, I need a hole dug to plant my Gap Titan DX. Mike WM4B On Jan 30, 2018 3:50 PM, Rick - N7WE <n7we1980@gmail.com> wrote: That's what I did. Started on 10, then 15, readjust 10 and 15 until have both. This did require moving the traps from the factory positioning on the tubes, not just changing the overall spacing. Then adjusted 20 and readjusted 10, 15, and 20 until I had all three....and so on thru 80. Then went back and did 12 (adjusts with HotRodz) with only minimal change on 10 (no adjustment needed) and the same with 17. It took a while, lots of ups and downs, but wasn't too bad as I had installed the DXEngineering tilt-base when I put it up. When we were traveling summers, I took the antenna down and stored it in three pieces. Reinstalling in the fall only required minor tweaking. What I have noticed is that with the change in temps here in Florida from winter to summer, there is sufficient expansion of the aluminum tubing to change the tuning. Now that we are home summers, I re-tune when it heats up and then again when it cools off! Probably a waste, but I like to have things as close as I can. And it gives me something to do! Rick - N7WE On 1/30/2018 15:21, Jerry N9AVY wrote: Rick: Did you start tuning 0n 10m and work your way up to 80/160m ? Just curious. My dual sloper isn't working yet. Jerry ________________________________________ From: Rick - N7WE <n7we1980@gmail.com> To: 070Club@groups.io Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 2:05 PM Subject: Re: [070Club] Hustler 6BTV Dick- I have the Hustler ground mounted over 40 radials of differing length - due to the lot. The shortest is about 15 feet and the longest about 28 feet. The Hustler has DXEngineering 12m and 17m add-ons, and I can tune without cutting any tubes. Here's the readings from the MFJ259B SWR R X 3.580 1.0 50 3 7.035 1.1 38 0 7.070 1.2 36 0 10.140 1.1 54 8 14.070 1.1 42 0 18.100 1.0 52 3 21.070 1.1 46 6 24.920 1.1 72 0 28.120 1.0 64 0 I follow the DXEngineering guide - Chapter 7 - for tuning instead of the Hustler's instructions. If you don't have it, you can download it HERE in PDF format. Good luck and I hope that helps. Let me know! Rick - N7WE 070 - #1602 Virus-free. www.avg.com -- Rick - N7WE 070 - #1602
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Mike Besemer <mwbesemer@...>
I’m doing it wrong. I started with a beam and a full gallon and now I’m using wire antennas and 20 watts
Mike WM4B From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of K8TOM Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 5:32 PM To: 070Club@groups.io Subject: Re: [070Club] Hustler 6BTV I mounted a 6BTV with the DXEngineering tilt-over base on top of my taller tin-roofed barn back in 2007 (about 45ft height). After some testing I decided that the tin roof had good enough connections between the "tin" sheets to provide a decent ground plane. I guess it worked okay, since I got my DXCC with that antenna, before I had a beam. Tom K8TOM 815 On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 1:53 PM, Mike Besemer <mwbesemer@cox.net> wrote: Nice! I guess I’m qualified… I’m always in the hole some way or another! Well, I just broke ground. Had to find the exact site that was not visible from mama’s chair in the sunroom. I think I found the right spot – and if not I’ll have to ask for forgiveness (again). I might have to remove a tree branch at the far end so I can tilt the antenna over, but that won’t be a problem if necessary. We had over an inch of rain Sunday, so I figured I’d better strike when the iron was soft. Got down about 2 feet and about a foot in diameter. Need to go a foot deeper and 6” bigger around, but at least I haven’t hit Kaolin yet. I'm going to set two 4 x 4's three feet in the ground (in concrete) with the mast between them tilting at about the 4' 6" mark. The antenna is supposed to be 25' high, so figuring just a bit of mast above the 4 x 4's, my 30' clear-zone should be okay. (I hope!) Mama is taking my truck to Florida this weekend, so I'd better go get some concrete mix or I'll be hauling it in the back of my son's Ford Focus. Mike WM4B From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Rick - N7WE Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 4:13 PM To: 070Club@groups.io Subject: Re: [070Club] Hustler 6BTV Golly Mike, I'd really like to help out, but.......I'm not certified to excavate! I once ran into a guy who was a registered professional excavation engineer. No kidding! He designed and certified excavation plans for large constructions like high rise buildings, TV towers, etc. He was a character. Would tell people he "started out small and just keep getting in deeper and deeper. Planned to retire if he ever got out of the hole he was in!" Rick - N7WE On 1/30/2018 16:01, Mike Besemer wrote: Rick, If you're really looking for something to do, I need a hole dug to plant my Gap Titan DX. Mike WM4B On Jan 30, 2018 3:50 PM, Rick - N7WE <n7we1980@gmail.com> wrote: That's what I did. Started on 10, then 15, readjust 10 and 15 until have both. This did require moving the traps from the factory positioning on the tubes, not just changing the overall spacing. Then adjusted 20 and readjusted 10, 15, and 20 until I had all three....and so on thru 80. Then went back and did 12 (adjusts with HotRodz) with only minimal change on 10 (no adjustment needed) and the same with 17. It took a while, lots of ups and downs, but wasn't too bad as I had installed the DXEngineering tilt-base when I put it up. When we were traveling summers, I took the antenna down and stored it in three pieces. Reinstalling in the fall only required minor tweaking. What I have noticed is that with the change in temps here in Florida from winter to summer, there is sufficient expansion of the aluminum tubing to change the tuning. Now that we are home summers, I re-tune when it heats up and then again when it cools off! Probably a waste, but I like to have things as close as I can. And it gives me something to do! Rick - N7WE On 1/30/2018 15:21, Jerry N9AVY wrote: Rick: Did you start tuning 0n 10m and work your way up to 80/160m ? Just curious. My dual sloper isn't working yet. Jerry ________________________________________ From: Rick - N7WE <n7we1980@gmail.com> To: 070Club@groups.io Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 2:05 PM Subject: Re: [070Club] Hustler 6BTV Dick- I have the Hustler ground mounted over 40 radials of differing length - due to the lot. The shortest is about 15 feet and the longest about 28 feet. The Hustler has DXEngineering 12m and 17m add-ons, and I can tune without cutting any tubes. Here's the readings from the MFJ259B SWR R X 3.580 1.0 50 3 7.035 1.1 38 0 7.070 1.2 36 0 10.140 1.1 54 8 14.070 1.1 42 0 18.100 1.0 52 3 21.070 1.1 46 6 24.920 1.1 72 0 28.120 1.0 64 0 I follow the DXEngineering guide - Chapter 7 - for tuning instead of the Hustler's instructions. If you don't have it, you can download it HERE in PDF format. Good luck and I hope that helps. Let me know! Rick - N7WE 070 - #1602 Virus-free. www.avg.com -- Rick - N7WE 070 - #1602 -- Rick - N7WE 070 - #1602
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Len Hecker
Rick,
Those numbers look pretty darn good for those frequencies. Do you have any similar measurements for SSB portions of the bands? Thanks. Len, K3LRH
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Mike,
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Sounds like it's going well. If you lived in CT you wouldn't even begin to think about doing this until May. Everything here is frozen solid. Don't worry It will be great when finished. There will be so much DX you won't know what to do with it all. Joe KA1PPV #1482
On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 04:53 PM, Mike Besemer wrote:
> Nice! I guess I’m qualified… I’m always in the hole some way or another!
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Len- Sorry, I don't do SSB and haven't even
run the numbers on those frequencies. In fact, I've never
checked 2:1 bandwidths. I set the 6BTV up exclusively for CW and
digital and I haven't done CW in a long time. This old man's
hands shake and he can't hear...strickly digi modes anymore.
(Although my darling wife gave me a K1EL K44 CW Keyboard keyer
for Christmas, so maybe there is hope!) But I would think you
could get to similar results for the SSB frequencies. Now
having both would undoubtedly require some compromise,
definitely on 80 and maybe on 40. Rick - N7WE
On 1/30/2018 19:33, Len Hecker via
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Rick: Ya gotta do CW because it's digital . Keyboard is okay, especially in pileups. It's also makes it easier on the guy because it's pure machine sent CW. Used Keyboard this morning to work Z60A on 20m CW... signals were spread over 15-20 kHz. It was a new DXCC (Kosovo) so the moves me up a notch. Next one is 3Y0 is a week or so. Checked out my dual sloper on 160m and ha it resonant at 1777.something , but it quickly changed after I disconnected analyzer and reconnected to outdoor coax switch. Also checked cables going out to switch and they were okay. Looks like my problem may be switch... duh ! Jerry n9avy
From: Rick - N7WE <n7we1980@...> To: 070Club@groups.io Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 7:00 PM Subject: Re: [070Club] Hustler 6BTV Len-
Sorry, I don't do SSB and haven't even
run the numbers on those frequencies. In fact, I've never
checked 2:1 bandwidths. I set the 6BTV up exclusively for CW and
digital and I haven't done CW in a long time. This old man's
hands shake and he can't hear...strickly digi modes anymore.
(Although my darling wife gave me a K1EL K44 CW Keyboard keyer
for Christmas, so maybe there is hope!) But I would think you
could get to similar results for the SSB frequencies. Now
having both would undoubtedly require some compromise,
definitely on 80 and maybe on 40.
Rick - N7WE
On 1/30/2018 19:33, Len Hecker via
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Len - I ran the 2:1 bandwidths to give you a
picture. These numbers may be flaky as I only have an MFJ 259B
for an analyzer. Hope this helps. 40m 495 kHz 30m 440 kHz 20m 1.1 MHz 17m 1.1 MHz 15m 1.2 MHz 12m 2.8 MHz 10m 7.0 MHz Rick - N7WE
On 1/30/2018 19:33, Len Hecker via
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Mike Besemer <mwbesemer@...>
I'm looking forward to it!
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I remember frozen ground from my Michigan days. Dad was a contactor and I learned about frozen ground from him. I'm shocked that it's digging so easy so far... normally I hit Kaolin about 12 inches down, but not today. Hopefully I can get to 36 inches tomorrow then widen it out to 18 inches in diameter. 8 - 80lb bags a Quikrete have worn me out; move them 3 times already (once onto the cart, once into the truck and once into the garage) - which means I need to move them one more time. I can remember throwing those bags around like marshmallows when I was 18; I don't know what happened! I think I need a beer - or 6. Mike WM4B
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From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Molon Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 8:00 PM To: 070Club@groups.io Subject: Re: [070Club] Hustler 6BTV Mike, Sounds like it's going well. If you lived in CT you wouldn't even begin to think about doing this until May. Everything here is frozen solid. Don't worry It will be great when finished. There will be so much DX you won't know what to do with it all. Joe KA1PPV #1482 On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 04:53 PM, Mike Besemer wrote: > Nice! I guess I’m qualified… I’m always in the hole some way or another!
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On 1/30/2018 20:17, Jerry N9AVY wrote:
Jerry - Switch out that switch! Haven't tried the K44 out yet. But it does have a CW reader built in, so that should help with the bad ears part. Supposedly his reader is pretty good. We'll see! Rick - N7WE -- Rick - N7WE 070 - #1602
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Mike Besemer <mwbesemer@...>
I’ve got a K44 and it works really well. I got it because I wanted to be lazy but I found my code speed went up pretty quickly and I don’t use it anymore.
If anybody wants it, shoot me an email and make me an offer. I’ve got a mini keyboard to go with it too.
73, Mike WM4B
From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Rick - N7WE
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 8:51 PM To: 070Club@groups.io Subject: Re: [070Club] Hustler 6BTV
On 1/30/2018 20:17, Jerry N9AVY wrote:
Jerry - Switch out that switch! Haven't tried the K44 out yet. But it does have a CW reader built in, so that should help with the bad ears part. Supposedly his reader is pretty good. We'll see!
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