Hustler 6BTV


Rick - N7WE
 

Dick-
I have the Hustler ground mounted over 40 radials of differing length - due to the lot.  The shortest is about 15 feet and the longest about 28 feet.  The Hustler has DXEngineering 12m and 17m add-ons, and I can tune without cutting any tubes.  Here's the readings from the MFJ259B
                     SWR         R           X
3.580            1.0           50           3
7.035             1.1          38           0
7.070             1.2          36           0
10.140           1.1          54           8
14.070           1.1          42           0
18.100           1.0          52           3
21.070           1.1          46           6
24.920           1.1          72           0
28.120           1.0          64           0
I follow the DXEngineering guide - Chapter 7 - for tuning instead of the Hustler's instructions.  If you don't have it, you can download it HERE in PDF format.  Good luck and I hope that helps.   Let me know!
Rick - N7WE
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Jerry N9AVY
 

Rick:

Did you start tuning 0n 10m and work your way up to 80/160m ?   Just curious.

My dual sloper isn't working yet.
Jerry


From: Rick - N7WE <n7we1980@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: [070Club] Hustler 6BTV

Dick-
I have the Hustler ground mounted over 40 radials of differing length - due to the lot.  The shortest is about 15 feet and the longest about 28 feet.  The Hustler has DXEngineering 12m and 17m add-ons, and I can tune without cutting any tubes.  Here's the readings from the MFJ259B
                     SWR         R           X
3.580            1.0           50           3
7.035             1.1          38           0
7.070             1.2          36           0
10.140           1.1          54           8
14.070           1.1          42           0
18.100           1.0          52           3
21.070           1.1          46           6
24.920           1.1          72           0
28.120           1.0          64           0
I follow the DXEngineering guide - Chapter 7 - for tuning instead of the Hustler's instructions.  If you don't have it, you can download it HERE in PDF format.  Good luck and I hope that helps.   Let me know!
Rick - N7WE
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That's what I did.  Started on 10, then 15, readjust 10 and 15 until have both. This did require moving the traps from the factory positioning on the tubes, not just changing the overall spacing.  Then adjusted 20 and readjusted 10, 15, and 20 until I had all three....and so on thru 80.  Then went back and did 12 (adjusts with HotRodz) with only minimal change on 10 (no adjustment needed) and the same with 17.  It took a while, lots of ups and downs, but wasn't too bad as I had installed the DXEngineering tilt-base when I put it up.  When we were traveling summers, I took the antenna down and stored it in three pieces.  Reinstalling in the fall only required minor tweaking.  What I have noticed is that with the change in temps here in Florida from winter to summer, there is sufficient expansion of the aluminum tubing to change the tuning.  Now that we are home summers, I re-tune when it heats up and then again when it cools off!  Probably a waste, but I like to have things as close as I can.  And it gives me something to do!

Rick - N7WE


On 1/30/2018 15:21, Jerry N9AVY wrote:
Rick:

Did you start tuning 0n 10m and work your way up to 80/160m ?   Just curious.

My dual sloper isn't working yet.
Jerry


From: Rick - N7WE <n7we1980@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: [070Club] Hustler 6BTV

Dick-
I have the Hustler ground mounted over 40 radials of differing length - due to the lot.  The shortest is about 15 feet and the longest about 28 feet.  The Hustler has DXEngineering 12m and 17m add-ons, and I can tune without cutting any tubes.  Here's the readings from the MFJ259B
                     SWR         R           X
3.580            1.0           50           3
7.035             1.1          38           0
7.070             1.2          36           0
10.140           1.1          54           8
14.070           1.1          42           0
18.100           1.0          52           3
21.070           1.1          46           6
24.920           1.1          72           0
28.120           1.0          64           0
I follow the DXEngineering guide - Chapter 7 - for tuning instead of the Hustler's instructions.  If you don't have it, you can download it HERE in PDF format.  Good luck and I hope that helps.   Let me know!
Rick - N7WE
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Mike Besemer <mwbesemer@...>
 

Rick,

If you're really looking for something to do, I need a hole dug to plant my Gap Titan DX.

Mike
WM4B

On Jan 30, 2018 3:50 PM, Rick - N7WE <n7we1980@...> wrote:

That's what I did.  Started on 10, then 15, readjust 10 and 15 until have both. This did require moving the traps from the factory positioning on the tubes, not just changing the overall spacing.  Then adjusted 20 and readjusted 10, 15, and 20 until I had all three....and so on thru 80.  Then went back and did 12 (adjusts with HotRodz) with only minimal change on 10 (no adjustment needed) and the same with 17.  It took a while, lots of ups and downs, but wasn't too bad as I had installed the DXEngineering tilt-base when I put it up.  When we were traveling summers, I took the antenna down and stored it in three pieces.  Reinstalling in the fall only required minor tweaking.  What I have noticed is that with the change in temps here in Florida from winter to summer, there is sufficient expansion of the aluminum tubing to change the tuning.  Now that we are home summers, I re-tune when it heats up and then again when it cools off!  Probably a waste, but I like to have things as close as I can.  And it gives me something to do!

Rick - N7WE


On 1/30/2018 15:21, Jerry N9AVY wrote:
Rick:

Did you start tuning 0n 10m and work your way up to 80/160m ?   Just curious.

My dual sloper isn't working yet.
Jerry


From: Rick - N7WE <n7we1980@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: [070Club] Hustler 6BTV

Dick-
I have the Hustler ground mounted over 40 radials of differing length - due to the lot.  The shortest is about 15 feet and the longest about 28 feet.  The Hustler has DXEngineering 12m and 17m add-ons, and I can tune without cutting any tubes.  Here's the readings from the MFJ259B
                     SWR         R           X
3.580            1.0           50           3
7.035             1.1          38           0
7.070             1.2          36           0
10.140           1.1          54           8
14.070           1.1          42           0
18.100           1.0          52           3
21.070           1.1          46           6
24.920           1.1          72           0
28.120           1.0          64           0
I follow the DXEngineering guide - Chapter 7 - for tuning instead of the Hustler's instructions.  If you don't have it, you can download it HERE in PDF format.  Good luck and I hope that helps.   Let me know!
Rick - N7WE
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Brian (N2MLP)
 

Gap Titan DX great antenna

 

From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Besemer
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 4:01 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] Hustler 6BTV

 

Rick,

 

If you're really looking for something to do, I need a hole dug to plant my Gap Titan DX.

 

Mike

WM4B

On Jan 30, 2018 3:50 PM, Rick - N7WE <n7we1980@...> wrote:

That's what I did.  Started on 10, then 15, readjust 10 and 15 until have both. This did require moving the traps from the factory positioning on the tubes, not just changing the overall spacing.  Then adjusted 20 and readjusted 10, 15, and 20 until I had all three....and so on thru 80.  Then went back and did 12 (adjusts with HotRodz) with only minimal change on 10 (no adjustment needed) and the same with 17.  It took a while, lots of ups and downs, but wasn't too bad as I had installed the DXEngineering tilt-base when I put it up.  When we were traveling summers, I took the antenna down and stored it in three pieces.  Reinstalling in the fall only required minor tweaking.  What I have noticed is that with the change in temps here in Florida from winter to summer, there is sufficient expansion of the aluminum tubing to change the tuning.  Now that we are home summers, I re-tune when it heats up and then again when it cools off!  Probably a waste, but I like to have things as close as I can.  And it gives me something to do!

Rick - N7WE

 

On 1/30/2018 15:21, Jerry N9AVY wrote:

Rick:

 

Did you start tuning 0n 10m and work your way up to 80/160m ?   Just curious.

 

My dual sloper isn't working yet.

Jerry


From: Rick - N7WE <n7we1980@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: [070Club] Hustler 6BTV

 

Dick-
I have the Hustler ground mounted over 40 radials of differing length - due to the lot.  The shortest is about 15 feet and the longest about 28 feet.  The Hustler has DXEngineering 12m and 17m add-ons, and I can tune without cutting any tubes.  Here's the readings from the MFJ259B
                     SWR         R           X
3.580            1.0           50           3
7.035             1.1          38           0
7.070             1.2          36           0
10.140           1.1          54           8
14.070           1.1          42           0
18.100           1.0          52           3
21.070           1.1          46           6
24.920           1.1          72           0
28.120           1.0          64           0
I follow the DXEngineering guide - Chapter 7 - for tuning instead of the Hustler's instructions.  If you don't have it, you can download it HERE in PDF format.  Good luck and I hope that helps.   Let me know!
Rick - N7WE
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Rick - N7WE
 

Golly Mike, I'd really like to help out, but.......I'm not certified to excavate!

I once ran into a guy who was a registered professional excavation engineer.  No kidding!  He designed and certified excavation plans for large constructions like high rise buildings, TV towers, etc.  He was a character.  Would tell people he "started out small and just keep getting in deeper and deeper.  Planned to retire if he ever got out of the hole he was in!"

Rick - N7WE


On 1/30/2018 16:01, Mike Besemer wrote:
Rick,

If you're really looking for something to do, I need a hole dug to plant my Gap Titan DX.

Mike
WM4B
On Jan 30, 2018 3:50 PM, Rick - N7WE <n7we1980@...> wrote:

That's what I did.  Started on 10, then 15, readjust 10 and 15 until have both. This did require moving the traps from the factory positioning on the tubes, not just changing the overall spacing.  Then adjusted 20 and readjusted 10, 15, and 20 until I had all three....and so on thru 80.  Then went back and did 12 (adjusts with HotRodz) with only minimal change on 10 (no adjustment needed) and the same with 17.  It took a while, lots of ups and downs, but wasn't too bad as I had installed the DXEngineering tilt-base when I put it up.  When we were traveling summers, I took the antenna down and stored it in three pieces.  Reinstalling in the fall only required minor tweaking.  What I have noticed is that with the change in temps here in Florida from winter to summer, there is sufficient expansion of the aluminum tubing to change the tuning.  Now that we are home summers, I re-tune when it heats up and then again when it cools off!  Probably a waste, but I like to have things as close as I can.  And it gives me something to do!

Rick - N7WE


On 1/30/2018 15:21, Jerry N9AVY wrote:
Rick:

Did you start tuning 0n 10m and work your way up to 80/160m ?   Just curious.

My dual sloper isn't working yet.
Jerry


From: Rick - N7WE <n7we1980@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: [070Club] Hustler 6BTV

Dick-
I have the Hustler ground mounted over 40 radials of differing length - due to the lot.  The shortest is about 15 feet and the longest about 28 feet.  The Hustler has DXEngineering 12m and 17m add-ons, and I can tune without cutting any tubes.  Here's the readings from the MFJ259B
                     SWR         R           X
3.580            1.0           50           3
7.035             1.1          38           0
7.070             1.2          36           0
10.140           1.1          54           8
14.070           1.1          42           0
18.100           1.0          52           3
21.070           1.1          46           6
24.920           1.1          72           0
28.120           1.0          64           0
I follow the DXEngineering guide - Chapter 7 - for tuning instead of the Hustler's instructions.  If you don't have it, you can download it HERE in PDF format.  Good luck and I hope that helps.   Let me know!
Rick - N7WE
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Mike Besemer <mwbesemer@...>
 

Nice! I guess I’m qualified… I’m always in the hole some way or another!

Well, I just broke ground. Had to find the exact site that was not visible from mama’s chair in the sunroom. I think I found the right spot – and if not I’ll have to ask for forgiveness (again). I might have to remove a tree branch at the far end so I can tilt the antenna over, but that won’t be a problem if necessary.

We had over an inch of rain Sunday, so I figured I’d better strike when the iron was soft. Got down about 2 feet and about a foot in diameter. Need to go a foot deeper and 6” bigger around, but at least I haven’t hit Kaolin yet. I'm going to set two 4 x 4's three feet in the ground (in concrete) with the mast between them tilting at about the 4' 6" mark. The antenna is supposed to be 25' high, so figuring just a bit of mast above the 4 x 4's, my 30' clear-zone should be okay. (I hope!) Mama is taking my truck to Florida this weekend, so I'd better go get some concrete mix or I'll be hauling it in the back of my son's Ford Focus.

Mike
WM4B



From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Rick - N7WE
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 4:13 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] Hustler 6BTV

Golly Mike, I'd really like to help out, but.......I'm not certified to excavate!
I once ran into a guy who was a registered professional excavation engineer. No kidding! He designed and certified excavation plans for large constructions like high rise buildings, TV towers, etc. He was a character. Would tell people he "started out small and just keep getting in deeper and deeper. Planned to retire if he ever got out of the hole he was in!"
Rick - N7WE

On 1/30/2018 16:01, Mike Besemer wrote:
Rick,

If you're really looking for something to do, I need a hole dug to plant my Gap Titan DX.

Mike
WM4B
On Jan 30, 2018 3:50 PM, Rick - N7WE <n7we1980@gmail.com> wrote:
That's what I did. Started on 10, then 15, readjust 10 and 15 until have both. This did require moving the traps from the factory positioning on the tubes, not just changing the overall spacing. Then adjusted 20 and readjusted 10, 15, and 20 until I had all three....and so on thru 80. Then went back and did 12 (adjusts with HotRodz) with only minimal change on 10 (no adjustment needed) and the same with 17. It took a while, lots of ups and downs, but wasn't too bad as I had installed the DXEngineering tilt-base when I put it up. When we were traveling summers, I took the antenna down and stored it in three pieces. Reinstalling in the fall only required minor tweaking. What I have noticed is that with the change in temps here in Florida from winter to summer, there is sufficient expansion of the aluminum tubing to change the tuning. Now that we are home summers, I re-tune when it heats up and then again when it cools off! Probably a waste, but I like to have things as close as I can. And it gives me something to do!
Rick - N7WE

On 1/30/2018 15:21, Jerry N9AVY wrote:
Rick:

Did you start tuning 0n 10m and work your way up to 80/160m ? Just curious.

My dual sloper isn't working yet.
Jerry
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From: Rick - N7WE <n7we1980@gmail.com>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: [070Club] Hustler 6BTV

Dick-
I have the Hustler ground mounted over 40 radials of differing length - due to the lot. The shortest is about 15 feet and the longest about 28 feet. The Hustler has DXEngineering 12m and 17m add-ons, and I can tune without cutting any tubes. Here's the readings from the MFJ259B
SWR R X
3.580 1.0 50 3
7.035 1.1 38 0
7.070 1.2 36 0
10.140 1.1 54 8
14.070 1.1 42 0
18.100 1.0 52 3
21.070 1.1 46 6
24.920 1.1 72 0
28.120 1.0 64 0
I follow the DXEngineering guide - Chapter 7 - for tuning instead of the Hustler's instructions. If you don't have it, you can download it HERE in PDF format. Good luck and I hope that helps. Let me know!
Rick - N7WE
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Jerry N9AVY
 

I've heard tell that anything lower than 2.1:1 is okay.  That was from all the old timers in the 70's.
Jerry  n9avy


From: Rick - N7WE <n7we1980@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 2:50 PM
Subject: Re: [070Club] Hustler 6BTV

That's what I did.  Started on 10, then 15, readjust 10 and 15 until have both. This did require moving the traps from the factory positioning on the tubes, not just changing the overall spacing.  Then adjusted 20 and readjusted 10, 15, and 20 until I had all three....and so on thru 80.  Then went back and did 12 (adjusts with HotRodz) with only minimal change on 10 (no adjustment needed) and the same with 17.  It took a while, lots of ups and downs, but wasn't too bad as I had installed the DXEngineering tilt-base when I put it up.  When we were traveling summers, I took the antenna down and stored it in three pieces.  Reinstalling in the fall only required minor tweaking.  What I have noticed is that with the change in temps here in Florida from winter to summer, there is sufficient expansion of the aluminum tubing to change the tuning.  Now that we are home summers, I re-tune when it heats up and then again when it cools off!  Probably a waste, but I like to have things as close as I can.  And it gives me something to do!
Rick - N7WE

On 1/30/2018 15:21, Jerry N9AVY wrote:
Rick:

Did you start tuning 0n 10m and work your way up to 80/160m ?   Just curious.

My dual sloper isn't working yet.
Jerry


From: Rick - N7WE <n7we1980@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: [070Club] Hustler 6BTV

Dick-
I have the Hustler ground mounted over 40 radials of differing length - due to the lot.  The shortest is about 15 feet and the longest about 28 feet.  The Hustler has DXEngineering 12m and 17m add-ons, and I can tune without cutting any tubes.  Here's the readings from the MFJ259B
                     SWR         R           X
3.580            1.0           50           3
7.035             1.1          38           0
7.070             1.2          36           0
10.140           1.1          54           8
14.070           1.1          42           0
18.100           1.0          52           3
21.070           1.1          46           6
24.920           1.1          72           0
28.120           1.0          64           0
I follow the DXEngineering guide - Chapter 7 - for tuning instead of the Hustler's instructions.  If you don't have it, you can download it HERE in PDF format.  Good luck and I hope that helps.   Let me know!
Rick - N7WE
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Jerry  n9avy



From: Mike Besemer <mwbesemer@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: [070Club] Hustler 6BTV

Rick,

If you're really looking for something to do, I need a hole dug to plant my Gap Titan DX.

Mike
WM4B
On Jan 30, 2018 3:50 PM, Rick - N7WE <n7we1980@...> wrote:
That's what I did.  Started on 10, then 15, readjust 10 and 15 until have both. This did require moving the traps from the factory positioning on the tubes, not just changing the overall spacing.  Then adjusted 20 and readjusted 10, 15, and 20 until I had all three....and so on thru 80.  Then went back and did 12 (adjusts with HotRodz) with only minimal change on 10 (no adjustment needed) and the same with 17.  It took a while, lots of ups and downs, but wasn't too bad as I had installed the DXEngineering tilt-base when I put it up.  When we were traveling summers, I took the antenna down and stored it in three pieces.  Reinstalling in the fall only required minor tweaking.  What I have noticed is that with the change in temps here in Florida from winter to summer, there is sufficient expansion of the aluminum tubing to change the tuning.  Now that we are home summers, I re-tune when it heats up and then again when it cools off!  Probably a waste, but I like to have things as close as I can.  And it gives me something to do!
Rick - N7WE

On 1/30/2018 15:21, Jerry N9AVY wrote:
Rick:

Did you start tuning 0n 10m and work your way up to 80/160m ?   Just curious.

My dual sloper isn't working yet.
Jerry


From: Rick - N7WE <n7we1980@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: [070Club] Hustler 6BTV

Dick-
I have the Hustler ground mounted over 40 radials of differing length - due to the lot.  The shortest is about 15 feet and the longest about 28 feet.  The Hustler has DXEngineering 12m and 17m add-ons, and I can tune without cutting any tubes.  Here's the readings from the MFJ259B
                     SWR         R           X
3.580            1.0           50           3
7.035             1.1          38           0
7.070             1.2          36           0
10.140           1.1          54           8
14.070           1.1          42           0
18.100           1.0          52           3
21.070           1.1          46           6
24.920           1.1          72           0
28.120           1.0          64           0
I follow the DXEngineering guide - Chapter 7 - for tuning instead of the Hustler's instructions.  If you don't have it, you can download it HERE in PDF format.  Good luck and I hope that helps.   Let me know!
Rick - N7WE
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K8TOM
 

I mounted a 6BTV with the DXEngineering tilt-over base on top of my taller tin-roofed barn back in 2007 (about 45ft height).  After some testing I decided that the tin roof had good enough connections between the "tin" sheets to provide a decent ground plane.

I guess it worked okay, since I got my DXCC with that antenna, before I had a beam.

Tom
K8TOM
815



On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 1:53 PM, Mike Besemer <mwbesemer@...> wrote:
Nice!  I guess I’m qualified… I’m always in the hole some way or another!

Well, I just broke ground.  Had to find the exact site that was not visible from mama’s chair in the sunroom.  I think I found the right spot – and if not I’ll have to ask for forgiveness (again).  I might have to remove a tree branch at the far end so I can tilt the antenna over, but that won’t be a problem if necessary.

We had over an inch of rain Sunday, so I figured I’d better strike when the iron was soft.  Got down about 2 feet and about a foot in diameter.  Need to go a foot deeper and 6” bigger around, but at least I haven’t hit Kaolin yet.  I'm going to set two 4 x 4's three feet in the ground (in concrete) with the mast between them tilting at about the 4' 6" mark.  The antenna is supposed to be 25' high, so figuring just a bit of mast above the 4 x 4's, my 30' clear-zone should be okay.  (I hope!)  Mama is taking my truck to Florida this weekend, so I'd better go get some concrete mix or I'll be hauling it in the back of my son's Ford Focus.

Mike
WM4B



From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Rick - N7WE
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 4:13 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] Hustler 6BTV

Golly Mike, I'd really like to help out, but.......I'm not certified to excavate!
I once ran into a guy who was a registered professional excavation engineer.  No kidding!  He designed and certified excavation plans for large constructions like high rise buildings, TV towers, etc.  He was a character.  Would tell people he "started out small and just keep getting in deeper and deeper.  Planned to retire if he ever got out of the hole he was in!"
Rick - N7WE

On 1/30/2018 16:01, Mike Besemer wrote:
Rick,

If you're really looking for something to do, I need a hole dug to plant my Gap Titan DX.

Mike
WM4B
On Jan 30, 2018 3:50 PM, Rick - N7WE <n7we1980@...> wrote:
That's what I did.  Started on 10, then 15, readjust 10 and 15 until have both. This did require moving the traps from the factory positioning on the tubes, not just changing the overall spacing.  Then adjusted 20 and readjusted 10, 15, and 20 until I had all three....and so on thru 80.  Then went back and did 12 (adjusts with HotRodz) with only minimal change on 10 (no adjustment needed) and the same with 17.  It took a while, lots of ups and downs, but wasn't too bad as I had installed the DXEngineering tilt-base when I put it up.  When we were traveling summers, I took the antenna down and stored it in three pieces.  Reinstalling in the fall only required minor tweaking.  What I have noticed is that with the change in temps here in Florida from winter to summer, there is sufficient expansion of the aluminum tubing to change the tuning.  Now that we are home summers, I re-tune when it heats up and then again when it cools off!  Probably a waste, but I like to have things as close as I can.  And it gives me something to do!
Rick - N7WE

On 1/30/2018 15:21, Jerry N9AVY wrote:
Rick:

Did you start tuning 0n 10m and work your way up to 80/160m ?   Just curious.

My dual sloper isn't working yet.
Jerry
________________________________________
From: Rick - N7WE <n7we1980@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: [070Club] Hustler 6BTV

Dick-
I have the Hustler ground mounted over 40 radials of differing length - due to the lot.  The shortest is about 15 feet and the longest about 28 feet.  The Hustler has DXEngineering 12m and 17m add-ons, and I can tune without cutting any tubes.  Here's the readings from the MFJ259B
                     SWR         R           X
3.580            1.0           50           3
7.035             1.1          38           0
7.070             1.2          36           0
10.140           1.1          54           8
14.070           1.1          42           0
18.100           1.0          52           3
21.070           1.1          46           6
24.920           1.1          72           0
28.120           1.0          64           0
I follow the DXEngineering guide - Chapter 7 - for tuning instead of the Hustler's instructions.  If you don't have it, you can download it HERE in PDF format.  Good luck and I hope that helps.   Let me know!
Rick - N7WE
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Mike Besemer <mwbesemer@...>
 

As long as it stays the same size, I’ll be happy!

Mike
WM4B

From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Jerry N9AVY
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 5:17 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] Hustler 6BTV

It won't grow.

Jerry n9avy

________________________________________
From: Mike Besemer <mwbesemer@cox.net>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: [070Club] Hustler 6BTV

Rick,

If you're really looking for something to do, I need a hole dug to plant my Gap Titan DX.

Mike
WM4B
On Jan 30, 2018 3:50 PM, Rick - N7WE <n7we1980@gmail.com> wrote:
That's what I did. Started on 10, then 15, readjust 10 and 15 until have both. This did require moving the traps from the factory positioning on the tubes, not just changing the overall spacing. Then adjusted 20 and readjusted 10, 15, and 20 until I had all three....and so on thru 80. Then went back and did 12 (adjusts with HotRodz) with only minimal change on 10 (no adjustment needed) and the same with 17. It took a while, lots of ups and downs, but wasn't too bad as I had installed the DXEngineering tilt-base when I put it up. When we were traveling summers, I took the antenna down and stored it in three pieces. Reinstalling in the fall only required minor tweaking. What I have noticed is that with the change in temps here in Florida from winter to summer, there is sufficient expansion of the aluminum tubing to change the tuning. Now that we are home summers, I re-tune when it heats up and then again when it cools off! Probably a waste, but I like to have things as close as I can. And it gives me something to do!
Rick - N7WE

On 1/30/2018 15:21, Jerry N9AVY wrote:
Rick:

Did you start tuning 0n 10m and work your way up to 80/160m ? Just curious.

My dual sloper isn't working yet.
Jerry
________________________________________
From: Rick - N7WE <n7we1980@gmail.com>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: [070Club] Hustler 6BTV

Dick-
I have the Hustler ground mounted over 40 radials of differing length - due to the lot. The shortest is about 15 feet and the longest about 28 feet. The Hustler has DXEngineering 12m and 17m add-ons, and I can tune without cutting any tubes. Here's the readings from the MFJ259B
SWR R X
3.580 1.0 50 3
7.035 1.1 38 0
7.070 1.2 36 0
10.140 1.1 54 8
14.070 1.1 42 0
18.100 1.0 52 3
21.070 1.1 46 6
24.920 1.1 72 0
28.120 1.0 64 0
I follow the DXEngineering guide - Chapter 7 - for tuning instead of the Hustler's instructions. If you don't have it, you can download it HERE in PDF format. Good luck and I hope that helps. Let me know!
Rick - N7WE
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Mike Besemer <mwbesemer@...>
 

I’m doing it wrong. I started with a beam and a full gallon and now I’m using wire antennas and 20 watts

Mike
WM4B

From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of K8TOM
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 5:32 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] Hustler 6BTV

I mounted a 6BTV with the DXEngineering tilt-over base on top of my taller tin-roofed barn back in 2007 (about 45ft height). After some testing I decided that the tin roof had good enough connections between the "tin" sheets to provide a decent ground plane.

I guess it worked okay, since I got my DXCC with that antenna, before I had a beam.

Tom
K8TOM
815




On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 1:53 PM, Mike Besemer <mwbesemer@cox.net> wrote:
Nice! I guess I’m qualified… I’m always in the hole some way or another!

Well, I just broke ground. Had to find the exact site that was not visible from mama’s chair in the sunroom. I think I found the right spot – and if not I’ll have to ask for forgiveness (again). I might have to remove a tree branch at the far end so I can tilt the antenna over, but that won’t be a problem if necessary.

We had over an inch of rain Sunday, so I figured I’d better strike when the iron was soft. Got down about 2 feet and about a foot in diameter. Need to go a foot deeper and 6” bigger around, but at least I haven’t hit Kaolin yet. I'm going to set two 4 x 4's three feet in the ground (in concrete) with the mast between them tilting at about the 4' 6" mark. The antenna is supposed to be 25' high, so figuring just a bit of mast above the 4 x 4's, my 30' clear-zone should be okay. (I hope!) Mama is taking my truck to Florida this weekend, so I'd better go get some concrete mix or I'll be hauling it in the back of my son's Ford Focus.

Mike
WM4B



From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Rick - N7WE
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 4:13 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] Hustler 6BTV

Golly Mike, I'd really like to help out, but.......I'm not certified to excavate!
I once ran into a guy who was a registered professional excavation engineer. No kidding! He designed and certified excavation plans for large constructions like high rise buildings, TV towers, etc. He was a character. Would tell people he "started out small and just keep getting in deeper and deeper. Planned to retire if he ever got out of the hole he was in!"
Rick - N7WE

On 1/30/2018 16:01, Mike Besemer wrote:
Rick,

If you're really looking for something to do, I need a hole dug to plant my Gap Titan DX.

Mike
WM4B
On Jan 30, 2018 3:50 PM, Rick - N7WE <n7we1980@gmail.com> wrote:
That's what I did. Started on 10, then 15, readjust 10 and 15 until have both. This did require moving the traps from the factory positioning on the tubes, not just changing the overall spacing. Then adjusted 20 and readjusted 10, 15, and 20 until I had all three....and so on thru 80. Then went back and did 12 (adjusts with HotRodz) with only minimal change on 10 (no adjustment needed) and the same with 17. It took a while, lots of ups and downs, but wasn't too bad as I had installed the DXEngineering tilt-base when I put it up. When we were traveling summers, I took the antenna down and stored it in three pieces. Reinstalling in the fall only required minor tweaking. What I have noticed is that with the change in temps here in Florida from winter to summer, there is sufficient expansion of the aluminum tubing to change the tuning. Now that we are home summers, I re-tune when it heats up and then again when it cools off! Probably a waste, but I like to have things as close as I can. And it gives me something to do!
Rick - N7WE

On 1/30/2018 15:21, Jerry N9AVY wrote:
Rick:

Did you start tuning 0n 10m and work your way up to 80/160m ? Just curious.

My dual sloper isn't working yet.
Jerry
________________________________________
From: Rick - N7WE <n7we1980@gmail.com>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: [070Club] Hustler 6BTV

Dick-
I have the Hustler ground mounted over 40 radials of differing length - due to the lot. The shortest is about 15 feet and the longest about 28 feet. The Hustler has DXEngineering 12m and 17m add-ons, and I can tune without cutting any tubes. Here's the readings from the MFJ259B
SWR R X
3.580 1.0 50 3
7.035 1.1 38 0
7.070 1.2 36 0
10.140 1.1 54 8
14.070 1.1 42 0
18.100 1.0 52 3
21.070 1.1 46 6
24.920 1.1 72 0
28.120 1.0 64 0
I follow the DXEngineering guide - Chapter 7 - for tuning instead of the Hustler's instructions. If you don't have it, you can download it HERE in PDF format. Good luck and I hope that helps. Let me know!
Rick - N7WE
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Len Hecker
 

Rick,
Those numbers look pretty darn good for those frequencies.  Do you have any similar measurements for SSB portions of the bands?  Thanks. Len, K3LRH


Joseph Molon <ljl2002@...>
 

Mike,
Sounds like it's going well.
 
If you lived in CT you wouldn't even begin to think about doing this until May.
 
Everything here is frozen solid.
 
Don't worry It will be great when finished.  There will be so much DX you won't know what to do with it all.
 
Joe
KA1PPV  #1482

On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 04:53 PM, Mike Besemer wrote:
 
 > Nice! I guess I’m qualified… I’m always in the hole some way or another!

Well, I just broke ground. Had to find the exact site that was not visible from mama’s chair in the sunroom. I think I found the right spot – and if not I’ll have to ask for forgiveness (again). I might have to remove a tree branch at the far end so I can tilt the antenna over, but that won’t be a problem if necessary.

We had over an inch of rain Sunday, so I figured I’d better strike when the iron was soft. Got down about 2 feet and about a foot in diameter. Need to go a foot deeper and 6” bigger around, but at least I haven’t hit Kaolin yet. I'm going to set two 4 x 4's three feet in the ground (in concrete) with the mast between them tilting at about the 4' 6" mark. The antenna is supposed to be 25' high, so figuring just a bit of mast above the 4 x 4's, my 30' clear-zone should be okay. (I hope!) Mama is taking my truck to Florida this weekend, so I'd better go get some concrete mix or I'll be hauling it in the back of my son's Ford Focus.

Mike
WM4B



From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Rick - N7WE
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 4:13 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] Hustler 6BTV

Golly Mike, I'd really like to help out, but.......I'm not certified to excavate!
I once ran into a guy who was a registered professional excavation engineer. No kidding! He designed and certified excavation plans for large constructions like high rise buildings, TV towers, etc. He was a character. Would tell people he "started out small and just keep getting in deeper and deeper. Planned to retire if he ever got out of the hole he was in!"
Rick - N7WE

On 1/30/2018 16:01, Mike Besemer wrote:
Rick,

If you're really looking for something to do, I need a hole dug to plant my Gap Titan DX.

Mike
WM4B
On Jan 30, 2018 3:50 PM, Rick - N7WE wrote:
That's what I did. Started on 10, then 15, readjust 10 and 15 until have both. This did require moving the traps from the factory positioning on the tubes, not just changing the overall spacing. Then adjusted 20 and readjusted 10, 15, and 20 until I had all three....and so on thru 80. Then went back and did 12 (adjusts with HotRodz) with only minimal change on 10 (no adjustment needed) and the same with 17. It took a while, lots of ups and downs, but wasn't too bad as I had installed the DXEngineering tilt-base when I put it up. When we were traveling summers, I took the antenna down and stored it in three pieces. Reinstalling in the fall only required minor tweaking. What I have noticed is that with the change in temps here in Florida from winter to summer, there is sufficient expansion of the aluminum tubing to change the tuning. Now that we are home summers, I re-tune when it heats up and then again when it cools off! Probably a waste, but I like to have things as close as I can. And it gives me something to do!
Rick - N7WE

On 1/30/2018 15:21, Jerry N9AVY wrote:
Rick:

Did you start tuning 0n 10m and work your way up to 80/160m ? Just curious.
My dual sloper isn't working yet.
Jerry
________________________________________
From: Rick - N7WE To: 070Club@groups.io Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: [070Club] Hustler 6BTV

Dick-
I have the Hustler ground mounted over 40 radials of differing length - due to the lot. The shortest is about 15 feet and the longest about 28 feet. The Hustler has DXEngineering 12m and 17m add-ons, and I can tune without cutting any tubes. Here's the readings from the MFJ259B
SWR R X
3.580 1.0 50 3
7.035 1.1 38 0
7.070 1.2 36 0
10.140 1.1 54 8
14.070 1.1 42 0
18.100 1.0 52 3
21.070 1.1 46 6
24.920 1.1 72 0
28.120 1.0 64 0
I follow the DXEngineering guide - Chapter 7 - for tuning instead of the Hustler's instructions. If you don't have it, you can download it HERE in PDF format. Good luck and I hope that helps. Let me know!
Rick - N7WE
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Rick - N7WE
 

Len-

Sorry, I don't do SSB and haven't even run the numbers on those frequencies.  In fact, I've never checked 2:1 bandwidths. I set the 6BTV up exclusively for CW and digital and I haven't done CW in a long time.  This old man's hands shake and he can't hear...strickly digi modes anymore.  (Although my darling wife gave me a K1EL K44 CW Keyboard keyer for Christmas, so maybe there is hope!)  But I would think you could get to similar results for the SSB frequencies.  Now having both would undoubtedly require some compromise, definitely on 80 and maybe on 40.

Rick - N7WE


On 1/30/2018 19:33, Len Hecker via Groups.Io wrote:
Rick,
Those numbers look pretty darn good for those frequencies.  Do you have any similar measurements for SSB portions of the bands?  Thanks. Len, K3LRH


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Jerry N9AVY
 

Rick:

Ya gotta do CW because it's digital .  Keyboard is okay, especially in pileups. It's also makes it easier on the guy because it's pure machine sent CW.  Used Keyboard this morning to work  Z60A on 20m CW... signals were spread over 15-20 kHz.  It was a new DXCC (Kosovo) so the moves me up a notch.  Next one is 3Y0 is a week or so.

Checked out my dual sloper on 160m and ha it resonant at 1777.something , but it quickly changed after I disconnected analyzer and reconnected to outdoor coax switch.  Also checked cables going out to switch and they were okay. Looks like my problem may be switch... duh !



Jerry n9avy



From: Rick - N7WE <n7we1980@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 7:00 PM
Subject: Re: [070Club] Hustler 6BTV

Len-
Sorry, I don't do SSB and haven't even run the numbers on those frequencies.  In fact, I've never checked 2:1 bandwidths. I set the 6BTV up exclusively for CW and digital and I haven't done CW in a long time.  This old man's hands shake and he can't hear...strickly digi modes anymore.  (Although my darling wife gave me a K1EL K44 CW Keyboard keyer for Christmas, so maybe there is hope!)  But I would think you could get to similar results for the SSB frequencies.  Now having both would undoubtedly require some compromise, definitely on 80 and maybe on 40.
Rick - N7WE

On 1/30/2018 19:33, Len Hecker via Groups.Io wrote:
Rick,
Those numbers look pretty darn good for those frequencies.  Do you have any similar measurements for SSB portions of the bands?  Thanks. Len, K3LRH


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Rick - N7WE
 

Len -

I ran the 2:1 bandwidths to give you a picture.  These numbers may be flaky as I only have an MFJ 259B for an analyzer.  Hope this helps.

80m       95 kHz
40m     495 kHz
30m     440 kHz
20m     1.1 MHz
17m      1.1 MHz
15m      1.2 MHz
12m      2.8 MHz
10m      7.0 MHz

Rick - N7WE

On 1/30/2018 19:33, Len Hecker via Groups.Io wrote:
Rick,
Those numbers look pretty darn good for those frequencies.  Do you have any similar measurements for SSB portions of the bands?  Thanks. Len, K3LRH


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Mike Besemer <mwbesemer@...>
 

I'm looking forward to it!

I remember frozen ground from my Michigan days. Dad was a contactor and I learned about frozen ground from him.

I'm shocked that it's digging so easy so far... normally I hit Kaolin about 12 inches down, but not today. Hopefully I can get to 36 inches tomorrow then widen it out to 18 inches in diameter.

8 - 80lb bags a Quikrete have worn me out; move them 3 times already (once onto the cart, once into the truck and once into the garage) - which means I need to move them one more time. I can remember throwing those bags around like marshmallows when I was 18; I don't know what happened!

I think I need a beer - or 6.

Mike
WM4B

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From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Molon
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 8:00 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] Hustler 6BTV

Mike,
Sounds like it's going well.

If you lived in CT you wouldn't even begin to think about doing this until May.

Everything here is frozen solid.

Don't worry It will be great when finished. There will be so much DX you won't know what to do with it all.

Joe
KA1PPV #1482




On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 04:53 PM, Mike Besemer wrote:

> Nice! I guess I’m qualified… I’m always in the hole some way or another!

Well, I just broke ground. Had to find the exact site that was not
visible from mama’s chair in the sunroom. I think I found the right
spot – and if not I’ll have to ask for forgiveness (again). I might
have to remove a tree branch at the far end so I can tilt the antenna
over, but that won’t be a problem if necessary.

We had over an inch of rain Sunday, so I figured I’d better strike
when the iron was soft. Got down about 2 feet and about a foot in
diameter. Need to go a foot deeper and 6” bigger around, but at least
I haven’t hit Kaolin yet. I'm going to set two 4 x 4's three feet in
the ground (in concrete) with the mast between them tilting at about
the 4' 6" mark. The antenna is supposed to be 25' high, so figuring
just a bit of mast above the 4 x 4's, my 30' clear-zone should be
okay. (I hope!) Mama is taking my truck to Florida this weekend, so
I'd better go get some concrete mix or I'll be hauling it in the back
of my son's Ford Focus.

Mike
WM4B



From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Rick -
N7WE
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 4:13 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] Hustler 6BTV

Golly Mike, I'd really like to help out, but.......I'm not certified
to excavate!
I once ran into a guy who was a registered professional excavation
engineer. No kidding! He designed and certified excavation plans for
large constructions like high rise buildings, TV towers, etc. He was
a character. Would tell people he "started out small and just keep
getting in deeper and deeper. Planned to retire if he ever got out of
the hole he was in!"
Rick - N7WE

On 1/30/2018 16:01, Mike Besemer wrote:
Rick,

If you're really looking for something to do, I need a hole dug to
plant my Gap Titan DX.

Mike
WM4B
On Jan 30, 2018 3:50 PM, Rick - N7WE wrote:
That's what I did. Started on 10, then 15, readjust 10 and 15 until
have both. This did require moving the traps from the factory
positioning on the tubes, not just changing the overall spacing. Then
adjusted 20 and readjusted 10, 15, and 20 until I had all three....and
so on thru 80. Then went back and did 12 (adjusts with HotRodz) with
only minimal change on 10 (no adjustment needed) and the same with 17.
It took a while, lots of ups and downs, but wasn't too bad as I had
installed the DXEngineering tilt-base when I put it up. When we were
traveling summers, I took the antenna down and stored it in three
pieces. Reinstalling in the fall only required minor tweaking. What
I have noticed is that with the change in temps here in Florida from
winter to summer, there is sufficient expansion of the aluminum tubing
to change the tuning. Now that we are home summers, I re-tune when it
heats up and then again when it cools off! Probably a waste, but I
like to have things as close as I can. And it gives me something to
do!
Rick - N7WE

On 1/30/2018 15:21, Jerry N9AVY wrote:
Rick:

Did you start tuning 0n 10m and work your way up to 80/160m ? Just
curious.
My dual sloper isn't working yet.
Jerry
________________________________________
From: Rick - N7WE To: 070Club@groups.io Sent: Tuesday, January 30,
2018 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: [070Club] Hustler 6BTV

Dick-
I have the Hustler ground mounted over 40 radials of differing length
- due to the lot. The shortest is about 15 feet and the longest about
28 feet. The Hustler has DXEngineering 12m and 17m add-ons, and I can
tune without cutting any tubes. Here's the readings from the MFJ259B
SWR R X
3.580 1.0 50 3
7.035 1.1 38 0
7.070 1.2 36 0
10.140 1.1 54 8
14.070 1.1 42 0
18.100 1.0 52 3
21.070 1.1 46 6
24.920 1.1 72 0
28.120 1.0 64 0
I follow the DXEngineering guide - Chapter 7 - for tuning instead of
the Hustler's instructions. If you don't have it, you can download it
HERE in PDF format. Good luck and I hope that helps. Let me know!
Rick - N7WE
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On 1/30/2018 20:17, Jerry N9AVY wrote:
Rick:

Ya gotta do CW because it's digital .  Keyboard is okay, especially in pileups. It's also makes it easier on the guy because it's pure machine sent CW.  Used Keyboard this morning to work  Z60A on 20m CW... signals were spread over 15-20 kHz.  It was a new DXCC (Kosovo) so the moves me up a notch.  Next one is 3Y0 is a week or so.

Checked out my dual sloper on 160m and ha it resonant at 1777.something , but it quickly changed after I disconnected analyzer and reconnected to outdoor coax switch.  Also checked cables going out to switch and they were okay. Looks like my problem may be switch... duh !



Jerry n9avy

Jerry - Switch out that switch!  Haven't tried the K44 out yet.  But it does have a CW reader built in, so that should help with the bad ears part.  Supposedly his reader is pretty good.  We'll see!

Rick - N7WE


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Mike Besemer <mwbesemer@...>
 

I’ve got a K44 and it works really well.  I got it because I wanted to be lazy but I found my code speed went up pretty quickly and I don’t use it anymore.

 

If anybody wants it, shoot me an email and make me an offer.  I’ve got a mini keyboard to go with it too.

 

73,

Mike

WM4B

 

From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Rick - N7WE
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 8:51 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] Hustler 6BTV

 

On 1/30/2018 20:17, Jerry N9AVY wrote:

Rick:

 

Ya gotta do CW because it's digital .  Keyboard is okay, especially in pileups. It's also makes it easier on the guy because it's pure machine sent CW.  Used Keyboard this morning to work  Z60A on 20m CW... signals were spread over 15-20 kHz.  It was a new DXCC (Kosovo) so the moves me up a notch.  Next one is 3Y0 is a week or so.

 

Checked out my dual sloper on 160m and ha it resonant at 1777.something , but it quickly changed after I disconnected analyzer and reconnected to outdoor coax switch.  Also checked cables going out to switch and they were okay. Looks like my problem may be switch... duh !

 

 

 

Jerry n9avy

 

Jerry - Switch out that switch!  Haven't tried the K44 out yet.  But it does have a CW reader built in, so that should help with the bad ears part.  Supposedly his reader is pretty good.  We'll see!

Rick - N7WE


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