How about a "newbie" sprint?
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Les Alverson <kd4sfd2@...>
I just thought of something (watch out!) How about every year have
a sprint where new members count 3 points (those that have joined in
the last calender year), members count 2 points, and non-members 1?
Just an idea. I know we have a contest just about every month, but
let's think it out.
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Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2015 3:50 PM To: 070@... Subject: [070] How about a "newbie" sprint?
I just thought of something (watch out!) How about every year have a sprint where new members count 3 points (those that have joined in the last calender year), members count 2 points, and non-members 1? Just an idea. I know we have a contest just about every month, but let's think it out. On 3/22/2015 17:39, John Bower poppajohnbower@... [070] wrote:
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From: "Mike Flowers mike.flowers@... [070]" <070@...> To: 070@... Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2015 6:01 PM Subject: RE: [070] How about a "newbie" sprint? Another option is that all new members who joined in 2015 are worth the bonus points. .... But only on days with "Y" . From: 070@... [mailto:070@...] Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2015 3:50 PM To: 070@... Subject: [070] How about a "newbie" sprint? I just thought of something (watch out!) How about every year have a sprint where new members count 3 points (those that have joined in the last calender year), members count 2 points, and non-members 1? Just an idea. I know we have a contest just about every month, but let's think it out. Les k4lea 1746 lonp 272 On 3/22/2015 17:39, John Bower poppajohnbower@... [070] wrote:
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From: "Mike Flowers mike.flowers@... [070]" <070@...>
Another option is that all new members who joined in 2015 are worth the bonus points. .... But only on days with "Y" .
From: 070@... [mailto:070@...]
I just thought of something (watch out!) How about every year have a sprint where new members count 3 points (those that have joined in the last calender year), members count 2 points, and non-members 1? Just an idea. I know we have a contest just about every month, but let's think it out. On 3/22/2015 17:39, John Bower poppajohnbower@... [070] wrote:
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Robert Johnstone
Also thinking if this is to be an annual, consideration in the name to not be obsolete next year. Robert kd0fip 1396 Lonp249 From: "Les Alverson kd4sfd2@... [070]" <070@...> To: 070@... Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2015 6:49 PM Subject: [070] How about a "newbie" sprint?
I just thought of something (watch out!) How about every year have
a sprint where new members count 3 points (those that have joined in
the last calender year), members count 2 points, and non-members 1?
Just an idea. I know we have a contest just about every month, but
let's think it out. Les k4lea 1746 lonp 272 On 3/22/2015 17:39, John Bower
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LOL ! From: "Mike Flowers mike.flowers@... [070]" <070@...> To: 070@... Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2015 7:13 PM Subject: RE: [070] How about a "newbie" sprint? But that would put many non-English speaking countries at a severe disadvantage: Montag, Dienstag, Mittwoch … Lundi, mardi, mercredi, juedi … Понедельник, вторник, среда Δευτέρα, Τρίτη, Τετάρτη … Just saying … From: 070@... [mailto:070@...] Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2015 4:32 PM To: 070@... Subject: Re: [070] How about a "newbie" sprint? From: "Mike Flowers mike.flowers@... [070]" <070@...> To: 070@... Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2015 6:01 PM Subject: RE: [070] How about a "newbie" sprint? Another option is that all new members who joined in 2015 are worth the bonus points. .... But only on days with "Y" . From: 070@... [mailto:070@...] Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2015 3:50 PM To: 070@... Subject: [070] How about a "newbie" sprint? I just thought of something (watch out!) How about every year have a sprint where new members count 3 points (those that have joined in the last calender year), members count 2 points, and non-members 1? Just an idea. I know we have a contest just about every month, but let's think it out. Les k4lea 1746 lonp 272 On 3/22/2015 17:39, John Bower poppajohnbower@... [070] wrote:
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John Etling
ROTFLMAO – Excellent point!!
73 de K3JAE
From: Mike Flowers mike.flowers@... [070] [mailto:070@...]
Sent: 22 March, 2015 19:14 To: 070@... Subject: RE: [070] How about a "newbie" sprint?
But that would put many non-English speaking countries at a severe disadvantage: Montag, Dienstag, Mittwoch … Lundi, mardi, mercredi, juedi … Понедельник, вторник, среда Δευτέρα, Τρίτη, Τετάρτη … Just saying …
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From: "Mike Flowers mike.flowers@... [070]" <070@...>
Another option is that all new members who joined in 2015 are worth the bonus points. .... But only on days with "Y" .
From: 070@... [mailto:070@...]
I just thought of something (watch out!) How about every year have a sprint where new members count 3 points (those that have joined in the last calender year), members count 2 points, and non-members 1? Just an idea. I know we have a contest just about every month, but let's think it out. On 3/22/2015 17:39, John Bower poppajohnbower@... [070] wrote:
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ljl2002@att.net
Good idea to invite non-members into the contest. They will see what fun it is and maybe join. The exchange for non-members could be 599 and a serial number (001,002 etc) in place of a member number. EPC does that and it seems to work. Joe KA1PPV #1482 On Monday, March 23, 2015 7:31 AM, "'John Etling' john@... [070]" <070@...> wrote: ROTFLMAO – Excellent point!! 73 de K3JAE From: Mike Flowers mike.flowers@... [070] [mailto:070@...] Sent: 22 March, 2015 19:14 To: 070@... Subject: RE: [070] How about a "newbie" sprint? But that would put many non-English speaking countries at a severe disadvantage: Montag, Dienstag, Mittwoch … Lundi, mardi, mercredi, juedi … Понедельник, вторник, среда Δευτέρα, Τρίτη, Τετάρτη … Just saying … From: 070@... [mailto:070@...] Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2015 4:32 PM To: 070@... Subject: Re: [070] How about a "newbie" sprint? From: "Mike Flowers mike.flowers@... [070]" <070@...> To: 070@... Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2015 6:01 PM Subject: RE: [070] How about a "newbie" sprint? Another option is that all new members who joined in 2015 are worth the bonus points. .... But only on days with "Y" . From: 070@... [mailto:070@...] Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2015 3:50 PM To: 070@... Subject: [070] How about a "newbie" sprint? I just thought of something (watch out!) How about every year have a sprint where new members count 3 points (those that have joined in the last calender year), members count 2 points, and non-members 1? Just an idea. I know we have a contest just about every month, but let's think it out. Les k4lea 1746 lonp 272 On 3/22/2015 17:39, John Bower poppajohnbower@... [070] wrote:
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Ted <pegduck56@...>
agree, Joe, but serial number is irrelevant. It is just another hassle to log, like the member number. I think all events should be 'open' with simple basic exchanges. 73, Ted K7TRK On Tuesday, March 24, 2015 12:41 PM, "'ljl2002@...' joe_molon@... [070]" <070@...> wrote: Good idea to invite non-members into the contest. They will see what fun it is and maybe join. The exchange for non-members could be 599 and a serial number (001,002 etc) in place of a member number. EPC does that and it seems to work. Joe KA1PPV #1482 On Monday, March 23, 2015 7:31 AM, "'John Etling' john@... [070]" <070@...> wrote: ROTFLMAO – Excellent point!! 73 de K3JAE From: Mike Flowers mike.flowers@... [070] [mailto:070@...] Sent: 22 March, 2015 19:14 To: 070@... Subject: RE: [070] How about a "newbie" sprint? But that would put many non-English speaking countries at a severe disadvantage: Montag, Dienstag, Mittwoch … Lundi, mardi, mercredi, juedi … Понедельник, вторник, среда Δευτέρα, Τρίτη, Τετάρτη … Just saying … From: 070@... [mailto:070@...] Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2015 4:32 PM To: 070@... Subject: Re: [070] How about a "newbie" sprint? From: "Mike Flowers mike.flowers@... [070]" <070@...> To: 070@... Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2015 6:01 PM Subject: RE: [070] How about a "newbie" sprint? Another option is that all new members who joined in 2015 are worth the bonus points. .... But only on days with "Y" . From: 070@... [mailto:070@...] Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2015 3:50 PM To: 070@... Subject: [070] How about a "newbie" sprint? I just thought of something (watch out!) How about every year have a sprint where new members count 3 points (those that have joined in the last calender year), members count 2 points, and non-members 1? Just an idea. I know we have a contest just about every month, but let's think it out. Les k4lea 1746 lonp 272 On 3/22/2015 17:39, John Bower poppajohnbower@... [070] wrote:
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boat.anchor@...
Ya know what?
I am still thinking about what Ted said before the last "contest" regarding checking member numbers before submitting the log. (bit like a terrier with a bone) I would like to suggest the following. Since we know the callsign of our contact and a simple click fills in the name and QTH, and a just-as-simple cross check with the member roster supplies that number, maybe we should try to just make as many contacts as possible to promote the club. No required exchange, just log those contacts and members worth one point, non-members two points because of time required to convince them that they really want to be part of the pre-eminent organization in ham radio digi modes. Someone suggested a month later that the checker apply bonus points to anyone that worked a station that becomes a member. This would take the onus off us to record all that already known data and put the work onto David as to how to do the bonus scoring. ps: maybe I should try not to think so much. time to go enjy the sun and 56F day out there Barry ---In 070@..., <pegduck56@...> wrote : agree, Joe, but serial number is irrelevant. It is just another hassle to log, like the member number. I think all events should be 'open' with simple basic exchanges. 73, Ted K7TRK On Tuesday, March 24, 2015 12:41 PM, "'ljl2002@...' joe_molon@... [070]" <070@...> wrote: Good idea to invite non-members into the contest. They will see what fun it is and maybe join. The exchange for non-members could be 599 and a serial number (001,002 etc) in place of a member number. EPC does that and it seems to work. Joe KA1PPV #1482 |
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I think giving non-members 2 pts would not encourage them to join. Just the opposite would happen... why join PODXS when you would lose a point by joining ??? It seems counterproductive. Not an incentive to join PODXS. Jerry N9AVY From: "boat.anchor@... [070]" <070@...> To: 070@... Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 4:54 PM Subject: Re: [070] How about a "newbie" sprint? Ya know what? I am still thinking about what Ted said before the last "contest" regarding checking member numbers before submitting the log. (bit like a terrier with a bone) I would like to suggest the following. Since we know the callsign of our contact and a simple click fills in the name and QTH, and a just-as-simple cross check with the member roster supplies that number, maybe we should try to just make as many contacts as possible to promote the club. No required exchange, just log those contacts and members worth one point, non-members two points because of time required to convince them that they really want to be part of the pre-eminent organization in ham radio digi modes. Someone suggested a month later that the checker apply bonus points to anyone that worked a station that becomes a member. This would take the onus off us to record all that already known data and put the work onto David as to how to do the bonus scoring. ps: maybe I should try not to think so much. time to go enjy the sun and 56F day out there Barry ---In 070@..., wrote : agree, Joe, but serial number is irrelevant. It is just another hassle to log, like the member number. I think all events should be 'open' with simple basic exchanges. 73, Ted K7TRK On Tuesday, March 24, 2015 12:41 PM, "'ljl2002@...' joe_molon@... [070]" <070@...> wrote: Good idea to invite non-members into the contest. They will see what fun it is and maybe join. The exchange for non-members could be 599 and a serial number (001,002 etc) in place of a member number. EPC does that and it seems to work. Joe KA1PPV #1482 |
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Ted <pegduck56@...>
yep, Barry gets it...why use a rotary dial phone instead of push button! David's scorer works for free...let's make it do the work 60 hear Barry, finally got some rain, but it looks like we get no snow this year. Did you get snow in NVancouver ?? 73, Ted k7TRK On Tuesday, March 24, 2015 2:54 PM, "boat.anchor@... [070]" <070@...> wrote: Ya know what? I am still thinking about what Ted said before the last "contest" regarding checking member numbers before submitting the log. (bit like a terrier with a bone) I would like to suggest the following. Since we know the callsign of our contact and a simple click fills in the name and QTH, and a just-as-simple cross check with the member roster supplies that number, maybe we should try to just make as many contacts as possible to promote the club. No required exchange, just log those contacts and members worth one point, non-members two points because of time required to convince them that they really want to be part of the pre-eminent organization in ham radio digi modes. Someone suggested a month later that the checker apply bonus points to anyone that worked a station that becomes a member. This would take the onus off us to record all that already known data and put the work onto David as to how to do the bonus scoring. ps: maybe I should try not to think so much. time to go enjy the sun and 56F day out there Barry ---In 070@..., wrote : agree, Joe, but serial number is irrelevant. It is just another hassle to log, like the member number. I think all events should be 'open' with simple basic exchanges. 73, Ted K7TRK On Tuesday, March 24, 2015 12:41 PM, "'ljl2002@...' joe_molon@... [070]" <070@...> wrote: Good idea to invite non-members into the contest. They will see what fun it is and maybe join. The exchange for non-members could be 599 and a serial number (001,002 etc) in place of a member number. EPC does that and it seems to work. Joe KA1PPV #1482 |
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Steve W3HF
(Sorry, this one is going to be long.) Admittedly, the purpose of a radio contest is to make contacts. But the devil is in the details, and the "detail" that we need to focus on is what is the definition of "contact" for this purpose? I know I've quoted this a few times before on this reflector, but for general use I like the definition that was published in QST many years ago in the "The World Above 50 Mc" column, and then republished a few times since 2000 in the successor "The World Above 50 Mhz." It states something to the effect of "the transmission, reception, and acknowledgement of station callsigns and (at least) one other piece of information that is reasonably unknown to the receiving station." Often this is a signal report (though "courtesy 59s [or 599s]" are so common that their use might be debatable). But it could also be QTH, name, favorite color, whatever. [Side note #1: in this age of Internet-enabled databases, it's common to see that the person whose CQ I've just responded to comes back to me with "Hello Stephen J Melachrinos in Collegeville PA"! So much for name and QTH being "reasonably unknown."] Since contest organizers define the rules for their contests, they get to make the definition of the minimum information transfer for contest QSOs, just like those who issue awards get to define what counts for them. And that definition is "the exchange." Since the context for this discussion is radio, I would submit that "the exchange" is supposed to be transmitted, received, and acknowledged via radio. For a contact to count as a QSO point for a contest, the exchange defined by the contest organizers must be exchanged on the air. If I were to respond to N9AVY and say "Don't bother sending me your exchange because I already know your name is Jerry, you live in Illinois, and your 070 number is 454. Just say 73 and get out of my way", then I haven't followed the rules of the contest and I shouldn't count the QSO. (I've also been pretty rude.) [Side note #2: How many of you logged a QSO last weekend with N9AVY as Jerry, and not the name he was actually using? Or noticed that occasionally during a contest, you'll find someone routinely sending 589 reports instead of 599?] The 070 club has not (to my knowledge) established a "minimum required exchange" for routine QSOs to count for its awards. That means, for example, that we don't have to exchange member numbers on the air to have the QSO count for LONP. (This is unlike the 10-10 organization, which if I'm not mistaken says that name, qth and number must be in the on-the-air exchange.) But they do establish an exchange required for the contests, and if I use other databases to "fill in" some of that data, then I've cheated. Let's also be careful that our club rules do not degenerate to the point where our "QSOs" don't meet even the general definition I referenced at the beginning. If we do, then I question whether we should still call ourselves a radio club. Steve W3HF |
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Steve: Good points ! But you forgot to tell everyone I was sending my #070 backwards ! Jerry N9AVY From: "w3hf@... [070]" <070@...> To: 070@... Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 7:12 PM Subject: Re: [070] How about a "newbie" sprint? (Sorry, this one is going to be long.) Admittedly, the purpose of a radio contest is to make contacts. But the devil is in the details, and the "detail" that we need to focus on is what is the definition of "contact" for this purpose? I know I've quoted this a few times before on this reflector, but for general use I like the definition that was published in QST many years ago in the "The World Above 50 Mc" column, and then republished a few times since 2000 in the successor "The World Above 50 Mhz." It states something to the effect of "the transmission, reception, and acknowledgement of station callsigns and (at least) one other piece of information that is reasonably unknown to the receiving station." Often this is a signal report (though "courtesy 59s [or 599s]" are so common that their use might be debatable). But it could also be QTH, name, favorite color, whatever. [Side note #1: in this age of Internet-enabled databases, it's common to see that the person whose CQ I've just responded to comes back to me with "Hello Stephen J Melachrinos in Collegeville PA"! So much for name and QTH being "reasonably unknown."] Since contest organizers define the rules for their contests, they get to make the definition of the minimum information transfer for contest QSOs, just like those who issue awards get to define what counts for them. And that definition is "the exchange." Since the context for this discussion is radio, I would submit that "the exchange" is supposed to be transmitted, received, and acknowledged via radio. For a contact to count as a QSO point for a contest, the exchange defined by the contest organizers must be exchanged on the air. If I were to respond to N9AVY and say "Don't bother sending me your exchange because I already know your name is Jerry, you live in Illinois, and your 070 number is 454. Just say 73 and get out of my way", then I haven't followed the rules of the contest and I shouldn't count the QSO. (I've also been pretty rude.) [Side note #2: How many of you logged a QSO last weekend with N9AVY as Jerry, and not the name he was actually using? Or noticed that occasionally during a contest, you'll find someone routinely sending 589 reports instead of 599?] The 070 club has not (to my knowledge) established a "minimum required exchange" for routine QSOs to count for its awards. That means, for example, that we don't have to exchange member numbers on the air to have the QSO count for LONP. (This is unlike the 10-10 organization, which if I'm not mistaken says that name, qth and number must be in the on-the-air exchange.) But they do establish an exchange required for the contests, and if I use other databases to "fill in" some of that data, then I've cheated. Let's also be careful that our club rules do not degenerate to the point where our "QSOs" don't meet even the general definition I referenced at the beginning. If we do, then I question whether we should still call ourselves a radio club. Steve W3HF |
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Ted <pegduck56@...>
Steve, this is all well and good, but essentially off the subject. We have been talking about 070 events that may require extraneous information (and my opinion, which is just as good as yours, by the way) for an valid exchange. No one is trying to shortcut the elements for an exchange as outlined in the QST article. (usually a signal report and S/P/C) to illustrate how some of the 070 events are inconsistent, consider this; the Club currently holds 9 events (per the website) Only 3 events require a member number as part of the exchange of those 3, only 2 give no credit for non-members (logically, if those rules remain, the member number is required in the exchange the 3rd event that requires member number is the 31 Flavors, YET the event gives you credit for non-members. In this case the member number is irrelevant. My point in all this the Club offers 2 'members only' events out of 9. Why? this is inconsistent. I am in favor of all Club events being open and all contacts score points. If we do this, there is no need for any exchange other than the standard that is generally accepted in the ham community, ie. call, sig report, S/P/C and likely a name. (if one wishes to add more such as courtesy phrases that is optional but not required). The only exception that I can see is the Valentines Sprint requires the addition of YL or OM but these are not adif fields. no one is advocating 'lowering the standards of the club'. The rules sticklers in the club should have no more say than the practical members. 73, Ted K7TRK |
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Steve W3HF
Ted - I'm glad to hear that you weren't advocating lowering the "standard." And you're right, some of that "extraneous information" does meet the criterion I quoted--that's not what I was talking about. But I disagree that this was "off the subject." Although the specific thread was the "newbie sprint", the larger discussion (including "2015 in 2015" and back to messages on the St Pat's contest) included comments like: - "check the member numbers before submitting the log" That could be interpreted as including QSOs for which the exchange that is submitted in the ADIF is not what was received on the air. - "let David's checker do the work" If David's checker inserts known data (like member numbers) into required fields, then it's just as bad. Now if the context for those comments was "let's change the rules to remove this information from the required exchange", then that is a valid discussion. But if that's the case, then there's no need to "let David's checker do the work" (since it wouldn't even be looking for those ADIF fields), or to "check the member number before submitting the log" for the same reason. And then I don't understand why those suggestions were even made. Steve Steve, this is all well and good, but essentially off the subject. We have been talking about 070 events that may require extraneous information (and my opinion, which is just as good as yours, by the way) for an valid exchange. No one is trying to shortcut the elements for an exchange as outlined in the QST article. (usually a signal report and S/P/C) to illustrate how some of the 070 events are inconsistent, consider this; the Club currently holds 9 events (per the website) Only 3 events require a member number as part of the exchange of those 3, only 2 give no credit for non-members (logically, if those rules remain, the member number is required in the exchange the 3rd event that requires member number is the 31 Flavors, YET the event gives you credit for non-members. In this case the member number is irrelevant. My point in all this the Club offers 2 'members only' events out of 9. Why? this is inconsistent. I am in favor of all Club events being open and all contacts score points. If we do this, there is no need for any exchange other than the standard that is generally accepted in the ham community, ie. call, sig report, S/P/C and likely a name. (if one wishes to add more such as courtesy phrases that is optional but not required). The only exception that I can see is the Valentines Sprint requires the addition of YL or OM but these are not adif fields. no one is advocating 'lowering the standards of the club'. The rules sticklers in the club should have no more say than the practical members. 73, Ted K7TRK |
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boat.anchor@...
Sorry to stir the pot by letting the mind indulge in daydreams. I was thinking more of a membership drive to commemorate the achievement rather than a "CONTEST".
have a good evening Barry ---In 070@..., <boat.anchor@...> wrote : Ya know what? I am still thinking about what Ted said before the last "contest" regarding checking member numbers before submitting the log. (bit like a terrier with a bone) I would like to suggest the following. Since we know the callsign of our contact and a simple click fills in the name and QTH, and a just-as-simple cross check with the member roster supplies that number, maybe we should try to just make as many contacts as possible to promote the club. No required exchange, just log those contacts and members worth one point, non-members two points because of time required to convince them that they really want to be part of the pre-eminent organization in ham radio digi modes. Someone suggested a month later that the checker apply bonus points to anyone that worked a station that becomes a member. This would take the onus off us to record all that already known data and put the work onto David as to how to do the bonus scoring. ps: maybe I should try not to think so much. time to go enjy the sun and 56F day out there Barry |
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Ted <pegduck56@...>
well, context is everything Steve. the UNDERLYING discussion has been, yes, about new contests, but primarily about the required exchange in such contests and consideration of why we have closed contests. My comment about the checker was in response to Barry who, quite logically I might add, suggested that in a CLOSED contest, there is no credit for non-members so there is no need to add member #'s to the adif field. The Contest Scorer can sort that out. One of the problems with this Club is that when there is some new thought put forward, the 'old hands' come out and start throwing cold water on the new suggestions. I say bunk on that ! Despite that practice, the Club has leaped ahead with tons of improvements and new ideas. I can't tell you how many times David and I emailed (years ago) why the scorer was not being used for contests. Now, it has happened, again, a logical progression. I stand by my previous post about the inconsistencies in the various events, as to the exchange. If you are offend, too bad. I happen to be correct on the exchange issue (as evidenced by the 31 Flavors event). I'm done now on this. You and the other 'experts' can hash it out. Healthy discussion is one thing, but I'm tired of you so called 'experts' telling us how it should be ! I will pick the open events to spend my time. K7TRK said that.. |
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John Etling
“Sorry to stir the pot by letting the mind indulge in daydreams. I was thinking more of a membership drive to commemorate the achievement rather than a "CONTEST". have a good evening Barry”
SECONDED!!!
I get tired of everything being a “contest.” I purposefully and normally avoid the bands where contesting is going on and rarely participate in them either. Most PODXS070 contests clearly state, for the most part, no more than 50 watts. Ever see a station from, say, MAINE on a band where contacts are a little tough due to conditions then this BIG gun walks in and completely blows the waterfall away. (Using this as a reference only as do not even know any 070 ops in ME so please do not be offended) . Now your gonna convince me he ain’t running full radio power or more? This after seeing sigs from say NY, CT, VT and most of them are coming in about equal strength.
PROVE the ME station is NOT overpowering the rules as it were. Of course lids like that will dominate the band every time leaving me no choice but to leave, he owns it and knows full well he owns it.
OK enough soapboxing… I have been reading the bantering back and forth and I see a plethora of excellent points.
My final take… allow the “meeting” to begin, welcome all, converse with all. Have a secret handshake amongst members – I know Jerry was joking but why not do something unique and give out 070 numbers backwards? Those with 070 numbers where it makes no difference (ex 313, 323, 333, etc. then so be it). I side more with the “old philosophy” of follow the rules to the letter however I do not necessarily disagree fully with the new ideas either. Come to a middle ground, follow those rules, and have fun.
Why must a “membership” drive goal attainment meet with awards and all that. Bew proud you did your part in building the club. THAT alone should be award enough.
73 de K3JAE John
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David Westbrook
A lot of good comments and topics (this definitely starts to spread into a lot of different topics/issues)... I think one of the high-level questions is should this even be more like a contest (exchange, scoring, etc) or more like an endorsement (like LONP where just which call worked matters, not specifically exchanged info; WARC ok; more competing against self). Some various direct replies: [Barry] "Someone suggested a month later that the checker apply bonus points to anyone that worked a station that becomes a member. This would take the onus off us to record all that already known data and put the work onto David as to how to do the bonus scoring." That was me :) [Jerry] "I think giving non-members 2 pts would not encourage them to join." I think the suggestion was to give 070 members 2 pts for contacting a non-member station, under the assumption the 070 member would advertise to the non-member. Brings up the question of whether or not non-members can submit for this. (against, "contest" vs "endorsement" style) [Ted] "to illustrate how some of the 070 events are inconsistent, out of 9. Why? this is inconsistent." The reason is easy -- they kinda of grew independently over time as the club grew, and i think they probably started off more as events than "contests". The hard question, and what Matt's mentioned under the "Contest 2.0" is what to change, and how to balance the tradition/history/status-quo with change/improvements. As-is isn't bad at all, but of course we want to improve where possible, too. This is in part why contest changes have been slow in the last year during my tenure. And we're stretching it out a little longer, with any potential major changes being in 2016 calendar year. The big 2014 change was the official move of all contest submissions to the scoring utility. So far in 2015 we've experimented with an alternative to the rolling start, and probably a couple other small tweaks (one upcoming in PSK flavors). [Barry] "I was thinking more of a membership drive to commemorate the achievement rather than a "CONTEST"." Yep, that's the big question! [Ted] "One of the problems with this Club is that when there is some new thought put forward, the 'old hands' come out and start throwing cold water on the new suggestions. I say bunk on that ! Despite that practice, the Club has leaped ahead with tons of improvements and new ideas." Thanks! :) We've tried to strike that balance... [John] "I get tired of everything being a “contest.” " Good input -- and maybe one of the contests should morph into more an event ... or the yearly membership drive idea ... Jerry's point about Field Day is also right on point. Even if all the 070 events are contest, there are many reason to participate in a full-fledged contest (070 events, ARRL, CQ, etc) -- nice density of stations to work, great DXCC/State/GridPFX/CQZ/etc opportunities (and LONP for 070 contest), testing out of equipment, etc. 73! --david KJ4IZW On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 7:17 AM, 'John Etling' john@... [070] <070@...> wrote:
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