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this keeps popping up on my Facebook side. Curious as to what people think of this concept. There is the 'novelty' factor and of course the cost factor. After looking at their stuff and the concept, I just am not comfortable with the concept. I guess I could sign into one of their big gun east coast stations and fill my log with a bunch of EU that is difficult to get from my own station (maybe a quick way to get that Ukraine sticker !) , but I question the 'legality' of that . I mean, it's not really me using my own equipment from my own QTH...I really don't know anyone have any thoughts or concerns/ 73, Ted K7TRK
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I would qustion it as well. For me, it would "Cheapen" awards like DXCC. For me the competition has always been with myself. One station, one antenna from hear in my little corner of Northern Illinois. To go with a remote station is about the same as working DXCC via the internet. There's been a lot of discussion about the over the past few years. I think for some areas DXCC and other awards should have an endorsement for the area of the world you work from. Now this will probably stir up a lot of controversy. But I really think this will have a definite effect on all awards. Jerry N9AVY
From: "Ted pegduck56@... [070]" <070@...> To: 070 PSK Club <070@...> Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 6:16 PM Subject: [070] http://www.remotehamradio.com/ this keeps popping up on my Facebook side. Curious as to what people think of this concept. There is the 'novelty' factor and of course the cost factor. After looking at their stuff and the concept, I just am not comfortable with the concept. I guess I could sign into one of their big gun east coast stations and fill my log with a bunch of EU that is difficult to get from my own station (maybe a quick way to get that Ukraine sticker !) , but I question the 'legality' of that . I mean, it's not really me using my own equipment from my own QTH...I really don't know anyone have any
thoughts or concerns/ 73, Ted K7TRK
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Peter G. Viscarola
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For me the competition has always been with myself. One station, one antenna from hear in my little corner of Northern Illinois. </quote> I agree. For many of us, it's about what WE'VE managed to work from OUR stations. But that's not true of everyone... <quote> To go with a remote station is about the same as working DXCC via the internet. </quote> I don't see any difference using a station remotely, versus physically traveling to a station and making QSOs from there. As long as I can travel to a big gun, use my call sign, and fill my log book I don't see any reason why remoting to that same station would be any different. But that's not why I was proud when I got my RTTY (well, PSK really) DXCC certificate. I was proud because I did it with my little barefoot radio with my little OCF dipole hung in some trees in my back yard. Might be fun to actually hear what it's like to use a big yagi on a tower someday, though... Peter K1PGV
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Peter ... I use a 3 element yagi (4 elements on 10m) and usually have a big signal (40-50 watts) and occasionally get pile ups from Europe. I can switch back and forth to a ground mounted vertical and most times I see little difference in received signal. Transmit is a different story. In the end, it's all about what you do with YOUR little station and the propagation you have to work with. Those who use remote stations are only cheating
themselves. Jerry N9AVY
From: "'Peter G. Viscarola' PeterGV@... [070]" <070@...> To: "070@..." <070@...> Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 8:24 PM Subject: RE: [070] http://www.remotehamradio.com/ <quote>
For me the competition has always been with myself. One station, one antenna from hear in my little corner of Northern Illinois. I agree. For many of us, it's about what WE'VE managed to work from OUR stations. But that's not true of everyone... To go with a remote station is about the same as working DXCC via the internet. I don't see any difference using a station remotely, versus physically traveling to a station and making QSOs from there. As long as I can travel to a big gun, use my call sign, and fill my log book I don't see any reason why remoting to that same station would be any different. But that's not why I was proud when I got my RTTY (well, PSK really) DXCC certificate. I was proud because I did it with my little barefoot radio with my little OCF dipole hung in some trees in my back yard. Might be fun to actually hear what it's like to use a big yagi on a tower someday, though... Peter K1PGV
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agree 73, TK K7TRK
On Monday, January 12, 2015 4:26 PM, "Jerry n9avy@... [070]" <070@...> wrote: I would qustion it as well. For me, it would "Cheapen" awards like DXCC. For me the competition has always been with myself. One station, one antenna from hear in my little corner of Northern Illinois. To go with a remote station is about the same as working DXCC via the internet. There's been a lot of discussion about the over the past few years. I think for some areas DXCC and other awards should have an endorsement for the area of the world you work from. Now this will probably stir up a lot of controversy. But I really think this will have a definite effect on all awards. Jerry N9AVY From: "Ted pegduck56@... [070]" <070@...> To: 070 PSK Club <070@...> Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 6:16 PM Subject: [070] http://www.remotehamradio.com/ this keeps popping up on my Facebook side. Curious as to what people think of this concept. There is the 'novelty' factor and of course the cost factor. After looking at their stuff and the concept, I just am not comfortable with the concept. I guess I could sign into one of their big gun east coast stations and fill my log with a bunch of EU that is difficult to get from my own station (maybe a quick way to get that Ukraine sticker !) , but I question the 'legality' of that . I mean, it's not really me using my own equipment from my own QTH...I really don't know anyone have any
thoughts or concerns/ 73, Ted K7TRK
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Robert Johnstone
Here where the wind sometimes rotates at high rates in small areas, It sometimes takes out; microwave towers, electrical lines, phone lines, cell towers and every normal means of communicating except Amateur Radio so I would not think it would be useful other than a cheat for contests or some non serious use. But not everyone thinks of the radio as gaining proficiency for when all else fails. During Sky Warn Appreciation day they sometimes use echolink and tie into 7 continents and log contacts as fast as they can write, but when the connection to the internet is broken no joy. otherwise shooting fish in a barrel... Just my .02 Robert kd0fip 1396
From: "Jerry n9avy@... [070]" <070@...> To: "070@..." <070@...> Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 8:35 PM Subject: Re: [070] http://www.remotehamradio.com/ Peter ... I use a 3 element yagi (4 elements on 10m) and usually have a big signal (40-50 watts) and occasionally get pile ups from Europe. I can switch back and forth to a ground mounted vertical and most times I see little difference in received signal. Transmit is a different story. In the end, it's all about what you do with YOUR little station and the propagation you have to work with. Those who use remote stations are only cheating
themselves. Jerry N9AVY From: "'Peter G. Viscarola' PeterGV@... [070]" <070@...> To: "070@..." <070@...> Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 8:24 PM Subject: RE: [070] http://www.remotehamradio.com/ For me the competition has always been with myself. One station, one antenna from hear in my little corner of Northern Illinois. I agree. For many of us, it's about what WE'VE managed to work from OUR stations. But that's not true of everyone... To go with a remote station is about the same as working DXCC via the internet. I don't see any difference using a station remotely, versus physically traveling to a station and making QSOs from there. As long as I can travel to a big gun, use my call sign, and fill my log book I don't see any reason why remoting to that same station would be any different. But that's not why I was proud when I got my RTTY (well, PSK really) DXCC certificate. I was proud because I did it with my little barefoot radio with my little OCF dipole hung in some trees in my back yard. Might be fun to actually hear what it's like to use a big yagi on a tower someday, though... Peter K1PGV
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Ted <pegduck56@...>
uh oh, Robert...Echolink, DStar, et al...another can of worms (personally, none of that is happening in my shack....its strictly RF to RF or what's the point?) 73, Ted (still weeping over my Ducks loss to Ohio) k7trk
On Monday, January 12, 2015 10:17 PM, "Robert Johnstone shopr3@... [070]" <070@...> wrote: Here where the wind sometimes rotates at high rates in small areas, It sometimes takes out; microwave towers, electrical lines, phone lines, cell towers and every normal means of communicating except Amateur Radio so I would not think it would be useful other than a cheat for contests or some non serious use. But not everyone thinks of the radio as gaining proficiency for when all else fails. During Sky Warn Appreciation day they sometimes use echolink and tie into 7 continents and log contacts as fast as they can write, but when the connection to the internet is broken no joy. otherwise shooting fish in a barrel... Just my .02 Robert kd0fip 1396 From: "Jerry n9avy@... [070]" <070@...> To: "070@..." <070@...> Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 8:35 PM Subject: Re: [070] http://www.remotehamradio.com/ Peter ... I use a 3 element yagi (4 elements on 10m) and usually have a big signal (40-50 watts) and occasionally get pile ups from Europe. I can switch back and forth to a ground mounted vertical and most times I see little difference in received signal. Transmit is a different story. In the end, it's all about what you do with YOUR little station and the propagation you have to work with. Those who use remote stations are only cheating
themselves. Jerry N9AVY From: "'Peter G. Viscarola' PeterGV@... [070]" <070@...> To: "070@..." <070@...> Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 8:24 PM Subject: RE: [070] http://www.remotehamradio.com/
For me the competition has always been with myself. One station, one antenna from hear in my little corner of Northern Illinois.
I agree. For many of us, it's about what WE'VE managed to work from OUR stations. But that's not true of everyone... To go with a remote station is about the same as working DXCC via the internet. I don't see any difference using a station remotely, versus physically traveling to a station and making QSOs from there. As long as I can travel to a big gun, use my call sign, and fill my log book I don't see any reason why remoting to that same station would be any different. But that's not why I was proud when I got my RTTY (well, PSK really) DXCC certificate. I was proud because I did it with my little barefoot radio with my little OCF dipole hung in some trees in my back yard. Might be fun to actually hear what it's like to use a big yagi on a tower someday, though... Peter K1PGV
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Mike Miller <lists@...>
I guess I can see a point to the remote operation. Think of
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those that are in nursing homes or assisted living facilities etc. that want more of a taste of ham radio than echolink can provide but can't have a station in their room or apartment. For awards, the QTH should be the remote location. I think it is just as fair to rent a station as to be able afford to build a super station. Maybe award categories need dollar classes as well as power classes. Just my 2 cents. 73 Mike kc9doa #1040
On 13 Jan 2015 at 6:02, Ted pegduck56@... [070] wrote:
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Some people are restricted from being in areas with RF radiation because they are wearing pacemakers. I know of at least 2 hams who have that problem. Jerry N9AVY
From: "'Mike Miller' lists@... [070]" <070@...> To: 070@... Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 8:32 AM Subject: Re: [070] http://www.remotehamradio.com/ I guess I can see a point to the remote operation. Think of
those that are in nursing homes or assisted living facilities etc. that want more of a taste of ham radio than echolink can provide but can't have a station in their room or apartment. For awards, the QTH should be the remote location. I think it is just as fair to rent a station as to be able afford to build a super station. Maybe award categories need dollar classes as well as power classes. Just my 2 cents. 73 Mike kc9doa #1040 On 13 Jan 2015 at 6:02, Ted pegduck56@... [070] wrote: > agree > 73, TKK7TRK > > On Monday, January 12, 2015 4:26 PM, "Jerry > n9avy@... [070]" <070@...> wrote: > > > I would qustion it as well. For me, it would "Cheapen" > awards like DXCC. > > For me the competition has always been with myself. One > station, one antenna from hear in my little corner of Northern > Illinois. > > To go with a remote station is about the same as working DXCC > via the internet. There's been a lot of discussion about the > over the past few years. I think for some areas DXCC and other > awards should have an endorsement for the area of the world you > work from. > > Now this will probably stir up a lot of controversy. But I > really think this will have a definite effect on all awards. > Jerry N9AVY > From: "Ted pegduck56@... [070]" > <070@...> > To: 070 PSK Club <070@...> > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 6:16 PM > Subject: [070] http://www.remotehamradio.com/ > > this keeps popping up on my Facebook side. Curious as to > what people think of this concept. There is the 'novelty' > factor and of course the cost factor. After looking at their > stuff and the concept, I just am not comfortable with the > concept. I guess I could sign into one of their big gun east > coast stations and fill my log with a bunch of EU that is > difficult to get from my own station (maybe a quick way to get > that Ukraine sticker !) , but I question the 'legality' of that > . 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In a well designed station you shouldn’t have RF in the shack for safety reasons in the first place. Plus there is always QRP operations.
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Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 10:55 AM To: 070@... Subject: Re: [070] http://www.remotehamradio.com/
Some people are restricted from being in areas with RF radiation because they are wearing pacemakers. I know of at least 2 hams who have that problem.
Jerry N9AVY
From: "'Mike Miller' lists@... [070]" <070@...>
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Lots of variables could come into play like where antenna is located in proximity to shack, is there RF coming back down the feed line, how well shielded is transmiiter/antenna tuner, and so on. How many really have well designed stations ? I venture to say a lot of hams just toss together what they *think* is right. I'm on a ham FB page and it seems there are a few messing with old CB equipment and 11 meter amps they try to run on 10m. I wouldn't trust
many of those 11 meter amps to not radiate in shack. Incidental radiation can happen when you least expect... had a nice looking coax switch that radiated all over the place. Jerry N9AVY
From: "'N2MLP' n2mlp@... [070]" <070@...> To: 070@... Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 10:43 AM Subject: RE: [070] http://www.remotehamradio.com/ In a well designed station you shouldn’t have RF in the shack for safety reasons in the first place. Plus there is always QRP operations. ======================== de N2MLP Brian Monroe County PA ======================== From: 070@... [mailto:070@...] Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 10:55 AM To: 070@... Subject: Re: [070] http://www.remotehamradio.com/ Some people are restricted from being in areas with RF radiation because they are wearing pacemakers. I know of at least 2 hams who have that problem. Jerry N9AVY From: "'Mike Miller' lists@... [070]" <070@...> To: 070@... Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 8:32 AM Subject: Re: [070] http://www.remotehamradio.com/ I guess I can see a point to the remote operation. Think of those that are in nursing homes or assisted living facilities etc. that want more of a taste of ham radio than echolink can provide but can't have a station in their room or apartment. For awards, the QTH should be the remote location. I think it is just as fair to rent a station as to be able afford to build a super station. Maybe award categories need dollar classes as well as power classes. Just my 2 cents. 73 Mike kc9doa #1040 On 13 Jan 2015 at 6:02, Ted pegduck56@... [070] wrote: > agree > 73, TKK7TRK > > On Monday, January 12, 2015 4:26 PM, "Jerry > n9avy@... [070]" <070@...> wrote: > > > I would qustion it as well. For me, it would "Cheapen" > awards like DXCC. > > For me the competition has always been with myself. One > station, one antenna from hear in my little corner of Northern > Illinois. > > To go with a remote station is about the same as working DXCC > via the internet. There's been a lot of discussion about the > over the past few years. I think for some areas DXCC and other > awards should have an endorsement for the area of the world you > work from. > > Now this will probably stir up a lot of controversy. But I > really think this will have a definite effect on all awards. > Jerry N9AVY > From: "Ted pegduck56@... [070]" > <070@...> > To: 070 PSK Club <070@...> > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 6:16 PM > Subject: [070] http://www.remotehamradio.com/ > > this keeps popping up on my Facebook side. Curious as to > what people think of this concept. There is the 'novelty' > factor and of course the cost factor. After looking at their > stuff and the concept, I just am not comfortable with the > concept. I guess I could sign into one of their big gun east > coast stations and fill my log with a bunch of EU that is > difficult to get from my own station (maybe a quick way to get > that Ukraine sticker !) , but I question the 'legality' of that > . I mean, it's not really me using my own equipment from my own > QTH...I really don't know > anyone have any thoughts or concerns/ > 73, TedK7TRK > > http://www.remotehamradio.com/ > > #yiv2527503749 #yiv2527503749 -- #yiv2527503749ygrp-mkp > {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px > 0;padding:0 10px;}#yiv2527503749 #yiv2527503749ygrp-mkp hr > {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}#yiv2527503749 > #yiv2527503749ygrp-mkp #yiv2527503749hd > {color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;m > argin:10px 0;}#yiv2527503749 #yiv2527503749ygrp-mkp > #yiv2527503749ads {margin-bottom:10px;}#yiv2527503749 > #yiv2527503749ygrp-mkp .yiv2527503749ad {padding:0 > 0;}#yiv2527503749 #yiv2527503749ygrp-mkp .yiv2527503749ad p > {margin:0;}#yiv2527503749 #yiv2527503749ygrp-mkp > .yiv2527503749ad a > {color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;}#yiv2527503749 > #yiv2527503749ygrp-sponsor #yiv2527503749ygrp-lc > {font-family:Arial;}#yiv2527503749 #yiv2527503749ygrp-sponsor > #yiv2527503749ygrp-lc 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The ARRL handbooks have all the info need to correctly setup a good station But most hams to don’t go that route. Don’t setup proper grounds for equipment or antennas. Running CB amps on 10m without adding any filtering is just rude.
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From: 070@... [mailto:070@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 11:51 AM To: 070@... Subject: Re: [070] http://www.remotehamradio.com/
Lots of variables could come into play like where antenna is located in proximity to shack, is there RF coming back down the feed line, how well shielded is transmiiter/antenna tuner, and so on. How many really have well designed stations ? I venture to say a lot of hams just toss together what they *think* is right.
I'm on a ham FB page and it seems there are a few messing with old CB equipment and 11 meter amps they try to run on 10m. I wouldn't trust many of those 11 meter amps to not radiate in shack.
Incidental radiation can happen when you least expect... had a nice looking coax switch that radiated all over the place.
Jerry N9AVY
From: "'N2MLP' n2mlp@... [070]" <070@...>
In a well designed station you shouldn’t have RF in the shack for safety reasons in the first place. Plus there is always QRP operations.
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From: 070@... [mailto:070@...]
Some people are restricted from being in areas with RF radiation because they are wearing pacemakers. I know of at least 2 hams who have that problem.
Jerry N9AVY
From: "'Mike Miller' lists@... [070]" <070@...>
I guess I can see a point to the remote operation. Think of
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I'm going to venture to guess that folks with RF concerns due to having a pacemaker tend not to risk their lives on whether or not they think a given ham station is well-engineered. I suspect you could have done everything right "by the book," and it's still not worth having your pacemaker crap out at an inopportune moment.
Having the station at the far end of an Internet connection, however, is probably a much more acceptable risk for such individuals. 73, James NF8I
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