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Well this is just a bit weird and seems like we're just one step away from making operator obsolete.... from 425 DX Bulletin FT8 DXPEDITION MODE ---> A "Release Candidate" version (WSJT-X v1.9.0-rc1) of the WSJT-X digimode software is due to be released later this month. It will introduce a new "FT8 DXpedition Mode", whose basic goal is to enable DXpeditions to make FT8 QSOs at the highest possible rates. The DXpedition station (the "Fox") will be able to transmit up to five signals simultaneously, and contact multiple calling stations (the "hounds") at the same time. The new mode will permit contacts to be completed with as little as one Fox transmission per contact, and sustained rates of several hundred QSOs/hour are expected to be possible. Making FT8 QSOs with KH1/KH7Z (this summer's expedition to Baker Island) will require the DXpedition and everyone trying to work them to use the new version of WSJT-X. A draft of the "FT8 DXpedition Mode User Guide" can be found at http://physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/k1jt/FT8_DXpedition_Mode.pdf.
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Wow, that is crazy
Charles, KI4VMK
# 2542
On Feb 10, 2018, at 9:49 AM, Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...> wrote:
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Yup. For DXpeditions, it’s all about the QSO rate. So ‘best case’ for with this new version is about 300 Qs an hour, which amounts to the highest QSO rate for a digital mode that I know of.
I can only imagine what is going to happen when "FT8 DXpedition Mode" is released into the wild … :>0
From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Jerry N9AVY
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 7:49 AM To: 070Club@groups.io Subject: [070Club] 5 signals simultaneously ???
Well this is just a bit weird and seems like we're just one step away from making operator obsolete.... from 425 DX Bulletin
FT8 DXPEDITION MODE ---> A "Release Candidate" version (WSJT-X v1.9.0-rc1)
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Stephen Melachrinos
I saw that. As I understand it, FT8 QSOs are pretty much automated once the operator selects the callsign of the other station. This allows the DXped operator to run 5 QSOs in parallel, since s/he is pretty much an observer for most of the process.
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Where it gets interesting is that technically this means five signals on the band at one time. That's not a problem for DXing, but could violate some contest rules.
Steve
W3HF
-----Original Message-----
From: Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...> To: 070Club <070Club@groups.io> Sent: Sat, Feb 10, 2018 10:49 am Subject: [070Club] 5 signals simultaneously ??? Well this is just a bit weird and seems like we're just one step away from making operator obsolete.... from 425 DX Bulletin
FT8 DXPEDITION MODE ---> A "Release Candidate" version (WSJT-X v1.9.0-rc1)
of the WSJT-X digimode software is due to be released later this month. It will introduce a new "FT8 DXpedition Mode", whose basic goal is to enable DXpeditions to make FT8 QSOs at the highest possible rates. The DXpedition station (the "Fox") will be able to transmit up to five signals simultaneously, and contact multiple calling stations (the "hounds") at the same time. The new mode will permit contacts to be completed with as little as one Fox transmission per contact, and sustained rates of several hundred QSOs/hour are expected to be possible. Making FT8 QSOs with KH1/KH7Z (this summer's expedition to Baker Island) will require the DXpedition and everyone trying to work them to use the new version of WSJT-X. A draft of the "FT8 DXpedition Mode User Guide" can be found at http://physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/k1jt/FT8_DXpedition_Mode.pdf.
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Stephen Melachrinos
"...into the wild..."
Steve
W3HF
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From: Mike Flowers <mike.flowers@...> To: 070Club <070Club@groups.io> Sent: Sat, Feb 10, 2018 10:54 am Subject: Re: [070Club] 5 signals simultaneously ???
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Will see how many knuckleheads start using it every day
From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Stephen Melachrinos
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 11:04 AM To: 070Club@groups.io Subject: Re: [070Club] 5 signals simultaneously ???
I saw that. As I understand it, FT8 QSOs are pretty much automated once the operator selects the callsign of the other station. This allows the DXped operator to run 5 QSOs in parallel, since s/he is pretty much an observer for most of the process.
Where it gets interesting is that technically this means five signals on the band at one time. That's not a problem for DXing, but could violate some contest rules.
Steve W3HF
-----Original Message-----
Well this is just a bit weird and seems like we're just one step away from making operator obsolete.... from 425 DX Bulletin
FT8 DXPEDITION MODE ---> A "Release Candidate" version (WSJT-X v1.9.0-rc1)
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Paul Milward <nu4c@...>
Steve In my experience "if it can happen ... it will happen" Paul nu4c Sent from my Galaxy Tab® A
-------- Original message -------- From: Stephen Melachrinos <melachri@...> Date: 2/10/18 11:06 (GMT-05:00) To: 070Club@groups.io Subject: Re: [070Club] 5 signals simultaneously ??? "...into the wild..."
Steve
W3HF
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Flowers <mike.flowers@...> To: 070Club <070Club@groups.io> Sent: Sat, Feb 10, 2018 10:54 am Subject: Re: [070Club] 5 signals simultaneously ???
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Reading the PDF, "up to 500 QSOs per hour under ideal conditions." This WILL move to non-DX operations. Who is going to stop it? Joe Taylor? ARRL? FCC? I don't think so. You can't put the genie back in the bottle. The answer will be "Well, it is what the Ham community wants." Then it will be on to contests. Imagine SO2R operations in WSJT-X DX Mode. Even the very best CW ops can't hit 1000 QSOs per hour. How about combining WSJT-X DX Mode and ALE? Turn it on and have DXCC overnight while you sleep.
"Just because you can, doesn't mean you should!" The limit to automation (in all forms) is not a technical question but a moral and ethical one. -- Rick - N7WE 070 - #1602
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You're saying there are knuckleheads in our hobby ? Must be true I saw it on the internet. Jerry N9AVY 
From: Brian (N2MLP) <n2mlp@...> To: 070Club@groups.io Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 10:07 AM Subject: Re: [070Club] 5 signals simultaneously ??? Will see how many knuckleheads start using it every day From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Stephen Melachrinos Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 11:04 AM To: 070Club@groups.io Subject: Re: [070Club] 5 signals simultaneously ??? I saw that. As I understand it, FT8 QSOs are pretty much automated once the operator selects the callsign of the other station. This allows the DXped operator to run 5 QSOs in parallel, since s/he is pretty much an observer for most of the process. Where it gets interesting is that technically this means five signals on the band at one time. That's not a problem for DXing, but could violate some contest rules. Steve W3HF -----Original Message----- From: Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...> To: 070Club <070Club@groups.io> Sent: Sat, Feb 10, 2018 10:49 am Subject: [070Club] 5 signals simultaneously ??? Well this is just a bit weird and seems like we're just one step away from making operator obsolete.... from 425 DX Bulletin FT8 DXPEDITION MODE ---> A "Release Candidate" version (WSJT-X v1.9.0-rc1) of the WSJT-X digimode software is due to be released later this month. It will introduce a new "FT8 DXpedition Mode", whose basic goal is to enable DXpeditions to make FT8 QSOs at the highest possible rates. The DXpedition station (the "Fox") will be able to transmit up to five signals simultaneously, and contact multiple calling stations (the "hounds") at the same time. The new mode will permit contacts to be completed with as little as one Fox transmission per contact, and sustained rates of several hundred QSOs/hour are expected to be possible. Making FT8 QSOs with KH1/KH7Z (this summer's expedition to Baker Island) will require the DXpedition and everyone trying to work them to use the new version of WSJT-X. A draft of the "FT8 DXpedition Mode User Guide" can be found at http://physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/k1jt/FT8_DXpedition_Mode.pdf.
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Mike, as past-president of the Northern California DX Club, you are an expert! Is 300 Q's an hour attainable in any mode at all?? That's like a QSO every 11 seconds? Milt. N6MG 070-650 LONP # 76
From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Flowers
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 7:55 AM To: 070Club@groups.io Subject: Re: [070Club] 5 signals simultaneously ???
Yup. For DXpeditions, it’s all about the QSO rate. So ‘best case’ for with this new version is about 300 Qs an hour, which amounts to the highest QSO rate for a digital mode that I know of.
I can only imagine what is going to happen when "FT8 DXpedition Mode" is released into the wild … :>0
From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Jerry N9AVY
Well this is just a bit weird and seems like we're just one step away from making operator obsolete.... from 425 DX Bulletin
FT8 DXPEDITION MODE ---> A "Release Candidate" version (WSJT-X v1.9.0-rc1)
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Hi Milt,
Yes, I think you can achieve a 300 QPH on both SSB and CW, under the right conditions. I don’t think that rate is sustainable for hours on end, but for peak periods it is.
When I was out on Conway Reef, the CW ops were on fire. Propagation was excellent, and our ops could pick up a lot of calls out of the pileups without tuning. When condx are not great, the rate drops off precipitously.
11 seconds is a generous amount of time for a DX QSO with good ops at both ends.
From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Milton Garb
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 8:06 AM To: 070Club@groups.io Subject: Re: [070Club] 5 signals simultaneously ???
Mike, as past-president of the Northern California DX Club, you are an expert! Is 300 Q's an hour attainable in any mode at all?? That's like a QSO every 11 seconds? Milt. N6MG 070-650 LONP # 76
From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Flowers
Yup. For DXpeditions, it’s all about the QSO rate. So ‘best case’ for with this new version is about 300 Qs an hour, which amounts to the highest QSO rate for a digital mode that I know of.
I can only imagine what is going to happen when "FT8 DXpedition Mode" is released into the wild … :>0
From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Jerry N9AVY
Well this is just a bit weird and seems like we're just one step away from making operator obsolete.... from 425 DX Bulletin
FT8 DXPEDITION MODE ---> A "Release Candidate" version (WSJT-X v1.9.0-rc1)
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Was being nice, Where on every mode and band · Test a antenna at a KW · Have a QSO with a station a mile away at full legal limit · Running voice in CW / digital segment of band · Using CB lingo
From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Jerry N9AVY
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 12:03 PM To: 070Club@groups.io Subject: Re: [070Club] 5 signals simultaneously ???
You're saying there are knuckleheads in our hobby ? Must be true I saw it on the internet. Jerry N9AVY
From: Brian (N2MLP) <n2mlp@...>
Will see how many knuckleheads start using it every day
From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Stephen Melachrinos
I saw that. As I understand it, FT8 QSOs are pretty much automated once the operator selects the callsign of the other station. This allows the DXped operator to run 5 QSOs in parallel, since s/he is pretty much an observer for most of the process.
Where it gets interesting is that technically this means five signals on the band at one time. That's not a problem for DXing, but could violate some contest rules.
Steve W3HF
-----Original Message-----
Well this is just a bit weird and seems like we're just one step away from making operator obsolete.... from 425 DX Bulletin
FT8 DXPEDITION MODE ---> A "Release Candidate" version (WSJT-X v1.9.0-rc1)
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Guess I’m one too
For poor spelling
Their on every mode and band · Test a antenna at a KW · Have a QSO with a station a mile away at full legal limit · Running voice in CW / digital segment of band · Using CB lingo
From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian (N2MLP)
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 12:22 PM To: 070Club@groups.io Subject: Re: [070Club] 5 signals simultaneously ???
Was being nice, Where on every mode and band · Test a antenna at a KW · Have a QSO with a station a mile away at full legal limit · Running voice in CW / digital segment of band · Using CB lingo
From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Jerry N9AVY
You're saying there are knuckleheads in our hobby ? Must be true I saw it on the internet.
Jerry N9AVY
From: Brian (N2MLP) <n2mlp@...>
Will see how many knuckleheads start using it every day
From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Stephen Melachrinos
I saw that. As I understand it, FT8 QSOs are pretty much automated once the operator selects the callsign of the other station. This allows the DXped operator to run 5 QSOs in parallel, since s/he is pretty much an observer for most of the process.
Where it gets interesting is that technically this means five signals on the band at one time. That's not a problem for DXing, but could violate some contest rules.
Steve W3HF
-----Original Message-----
Well this is just a bit weird and seems like we're just one step away from making operator obsolete.... from 425 DX Bulletin
FT8 DXPEDITION MODE ---> A "Release Candidate" version (WSJT-X v1.9.0-rc1)
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Brian: Don't sweat the spelling. It's a known fact that many great authors couldn't spell and that is why there are "proof-readers". Jerry n9avy
From: Brian (N2MLP) <n2mlp@...> To: 070Club@groups.io Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 11:23 AM Subject: Re: [070Club] 5 signals simultaneously ??? Guess I’m one too For poor spelling Their on every mode and band · Test a antenna at a KW · Have a QSO with a station a mile away at full legal limit · Running voice in CW / digital segment of band · Using CB lingo From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian (N2MLP) Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 12:22 PM To: 070Club@groups.io Subject: Re: [070Club] 5 signals simultaneously ??? Was being nice, Where on every mode and band · Test a antenna at a KW · Have a QSO with a station a mile away at full legal limit · Running voice in CW / digital segment of band · Using CB lingo From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Jerry N9AVY Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 12:03 PM To: 070Club@groups.io Subject: Re: [070Club] 5 signals simultaneously ??? You're saying there are knuckleheads in our hobby ? Must be true I saw it on the internet. Jerry N9AVY From: Brian (N2MLP) <n2mlp@...> To: 070Club@groups.io Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 10:07 AM Subject: Re: [070Club] 5 signals simultaneously ??? Will see how many knuckleheads start using it every day From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Stephen Melachrinos Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 11:04 AM To: 070Club@groups.io Subject: Re: [070Club] 5 signals simultaneously ??? I saw that. As I understand it, FT8 QSOs are pretty much automated once the operator selects the callsign of the other station. This allows the DXped operator to run 5 QSOs in parallel, since s/he is pretty much an observer for most of the process. Where it gets interesting is that technically this means five signals on the band at one time. That's not a problem for DXing, but could violate some contest rules. Steve W3HF -----Original Message----- From: Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...> To: 070Club <070Club@groups.io> Sent: Sat, Feb 10, 2018 10:49 am Subject: [070Club] 5 signals simultaneously ??? Well this is just a bit weird and seems like we're just one step away from making operator obsolete.... from 425 DX Bulletin FT8 DXPEDITION MODE ---> A "Release Candidate" version (WSJT-X v1.9.0-rc1) of the WSJT-X digimode software is due to be released later this month. It will introduce a new "FT8 DXpedition Mode", whose basic goal is to enable DXpeditions to make FT8 QSOs at the highest possible rates. The DXpedition station (the "Fox") will be able to transmit up to five signals simultaneously, and contact multiple calling stations (the "hounds") at the same time. The new mode will permit contacts to be completed with as little as one Fox transmission per contact, and sustained rates of several hundred QSOs/hour are expected to be possible. Making FT8 QSOs with KH1/KH7Z (this summer's expedition to Baker Island) will require the DXpedition and everyone trying to work them to use the new version of WSJT-X. A draft of the "FT8 DXpedition Mode User Guide" can be found at http://physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/k1jt/FT8_DXpedition_Mode.pdf.
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Paul Milward <nu4c@...>
9h yea Jerry. I've seen and heard knuckleheads on the air. 99% of the population are knuckleheads. It's all about me me Me ME Sent from my Galaxy Tab® A
-------- Original message -------- From: Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...> Date: 2/10/18 12:02 (GMT-05:00) To: 070Club@groups.io Subject: Re: [070Club] 5 signals simultaneously ??? You're saying there are knuckleheads in our hobby ? Must be true I saw it on the internet. Jerry N9AVY From: Brian (N2MLP) <n2mlp@...> To: 070Club@groups.io Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 10:07 AM Subject: Re: [070Club] 5 signals simultaneously ??? Will see how many knuckleheads start using it every day From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Stephen Melachrinos Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 11:04 AM To: 070Club@groups.io Subject: Re: [070Club] 5 signals simultaneously ??? I saw that. As I understand it, FT8 QSOs are pretty much automated once the operator selects the callsign of the other station. This allows the DXped operator to run 5 QSOs in parallel, since s/he is pretty much an observer for most of the process. Where it gets interesting is that technically this means five signals on the band at one time. That's not a problem for DXing, but could violate some contest rules. Steve W3HF -----Original Message----- From: Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...> To: 070Club <070Club@groups.io> Sent: Sat, Feb 10, 2018 10:49 am Subject: [070Club] 5 signals simultaneously ??? Well this is just a bit weird and seems like we're just one step away from making operator obsolete.... from 425 DX Bulletin FT8 DXPEDITION MODE ---> A "Release Candidate" version (WSJT-X v1.9.0-rc1) of the WSJT-X digimode software is due to be released later this month. It will introduce a new "FT8 DXpedition Mode", whose basic goal is to enable DXpeditions to make FT8 QSOs at the highest possible rates. The DXpedition station (the "Fox") will be able to transmit up to five signals simultaneously, and contact multiple calling stations (the "hounds") at the same time. The new mode will permit contacts to be completed with as little as one Fox transmission per contact, and sustained rates of several hundred QSOs/hour are expected to be possible. Making FT8 QSOs with KH1/KH7Z (this summer's expedition to Baker Island) will require the DXpedition and everyone trying to work them to use the new version of WSJT-X. A draft of the "FT8 DXpedition Mode User Guide" can be found at http://physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/k1jt/FT8_DXpedition_Mode.pdf.
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One about every 20 Hz.
From: Paul Milward <nu4c@...> To: 070Club@groups.io Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 2:01 PM Subject: Re: [070Club] 5 signals simultaneously ??? 9h yea Jerry. I've seen and heard knuckleheads on the air. 99% of the population are knuckleheads. It's all about me me Me ME Sent from my Galaxy Tab® A -------- Original message -------- From: Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...> Date: 2/10/18 12:02 (GMT-05:00) To: 070Club@groups.io Subject: Re: [070Club] 5 signals simultaneously ??? You're saying there are knuckleheads in our hobby ? Must be true I saw it on the internet. Jerry N9AVY From: Brian (N2MLP) <n2mlp@...> To: 070Club@groups.io Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 10:07 AM Subject: Re: [070Club] 5 signals simultaneously ??? Will see how many knuckleheads start using it every day From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Stephen Melachrinos Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 11:04 AM To: 070Club@groups.io Subject: Re: [070Club] 5 signals simultaneously ??? I saw that. As I understand it, FT8 QSOs are pretty much automated once the operator selects the callsign of the other station. This allows the DXped operator to run 5 QSOs in parallel, since s/he is pretty much an observer for most of the process. Where it gets interesting is that technically this means five signals on the band at one time. That's not a problem for DXing, but could violate some contest rules. Steve W3HF -----Original Message----- From: Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...> To: 070Club <070Club@groups.io> Sent: Sat, Feb 10, 2018 10:49 am Subject: [070Club] 5 signals simultaneously ??? Well this is just a bit weird and seems like we're just one step away from making operator obsolete.... from 425 DX Bulletin FT8 DXPEDITION MODE ---> A "Release Candidate" version (WSJT-X v1.9.0-rc1) of the WSJT-X digimode software is due to be released later this month. It will introduce a new "FT8 DXpedition Mode", whose basic goal is to enable DXpeditions to make FT8 QSOs at the highest possible rates. The DXpedition station (the "Fox") will be able to transmit up to five signals simultaneously, and contact multiple calling stations (the "hounds") at the same time. The new mode will permit contacts to be completed with as little as one Fox transmission per contact, and sustained rates of several hundred QSOs/hour are expected to be possible. Making FT8 QSOs with KH1/KH7Z (this summer's expedition to Baker Island) will require the DXpedition and everyone trying to work them to use the new version of WSJT-X. A draft of the "FT8 DXpedition Mode User Guide" can be found at http://physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/k1jt/FT8_DXpedition_Mode.pdf.
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B C <k9wis@...>
Gee. I can transmit more than that at a time just by cranking up the drive and filling the band with sidebands...hi hi
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Brian K9WIS ---- Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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We have enough people doing that already. Jerry n9avy
From: B C <k9wis@...> To: 070Club@groups.io Cc: Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 10:19 PM Subject: Re: [070Club] 5 signals simultaneously ??? Gee. I can transmit more than that at a time just by cranking up the drive and filling the band with sidebands...hi hi Brian K9WIS ---- Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...> wrote: > > Well this is just a bit weird and seems like we're just one step away from making operator obsolete.... from 425 DX Bulletin > > > FT8 DXPEDITION MODE ---> A "Release Candidate" version (WSJT-X v1.9.0-rc1) > of the WSJT-X digimode software is due to be released later this month. It > will introduce a new "FT8 DXpedition Mode", whose basic goal is to enable > DXpeditions to make FT8 QSOs at the highest possible rates. The DXpedition > station (the "Fox") will be able to transmit up to five signals > simultaneously, and contact multiple calling stations (the "hounds") at the > same time. The new mode will permit contacts to be completed with as little > as one Fox transmission per contact, and sustained rates of several hundred > QSOs/hour are expected to be possible. Making FT8 QSOs with KH1/KH7Z (this > summer's expedition to Baker Island) will require the DXpedition and > everyone trying to work them to use the new version of WSJT-X. A draft of > the "FT8 DXpedition Mode User Guide" can be found at > http://physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/k1jt/FT8_DXpedition_Mode.pdf.
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