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Re: Signs of life on 30 meters

K7DWI Art
 

Rick,
Same problem here in Arizona.
Monsoon season in full bloom. Every afternoon I have to disconnect the antennas.
If it gets quiet this evening, I will get on 30 Meters with PropNET and will have the ROBOT on a will listen for calls.
73 Art Jackson KA5DWI #2518 Dewey AZ 
 


Re: Signs of life on 30 meters

Rick - N7WE
 

Sitting here with my antennas disconnected and wondering if I should shut the computer down.  We've been in continuous thunder and lots of lightning for the last 3 hours and 50 minutes!  It's supposed to clear later this evening and I'll be back on....I hope!

Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602


Re: Signs of life on 30 meters

Bill Garwood
 

Seeing one Propnet KF9KV..no stations..will try 30 later today.

 

Bill N4GBK in NC

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Jon Greene - wx5nco wx5nco@... [070]
Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 2:40 PM
To: 070 List Service 070 List Service
Subject: [070] Signs of life on 30 meters

 

 

The PropNet bots just started showing up on 30 meters.  Where are y'all at today?

 

73

Jon Greene WX5NCO
Tulsa, Oklahoma EM26
070 - 592
30DMC - 1233
DMC - 741
EPC - 5134
1010 - 74420

 

 


Signs of life on 30 meters

Jon Greene - wx5nco <wx5nco@...>
 

The PropNet bots just started showing up on 30 meters.  Where are y'all at today?

73
Jon Greene WX5NCO
Tulsa, Oklahoma EM26
070 - 592
30DMC - 1233
DMC - 741
EPC - 5134
1010 - 74420

 


Re: MACRO's

boat.anchor@...
 

Jon

In my opinion this is wasted bandwidth that could be spent on meaningful info exchanges.
IMD should always be measured at the transmitter and I highly recommend acquiring a PSK meter. 
Yes I use one. 

If I am in a nasty mood and someone sends me IMD rpt I will thank him for the rpt and ask him to please explain what the number means, how he measured it, is it good or bad, and what can I do to improve it. 
Normal reply is 73.

I applaud those that wrote the software that we all enjoy on a daily basis but have failed to see why they included this in the package.

rant over
Barry



---In 070@..., <wx5nco@...> wrote :

Part 2 of MACRO questions.

In the RSQ report, do any of you care about the IMD or S/N report?  I've worked some that gave it, but is it useful?
Jon

73
Jon Greene WX5NCO
Tulsa, Oklahoma EM26
070 - 592
30DMC - 1233
DMC - 741
EPC - 5134
1010 - 74420

 


Re: Two new 366ers!

David, K9DWR
 

Excellent. Getting warmed up for my one August that’s missing. All I have is a small attic dipole, but at least I know it works. Just hope the prop takes pity on me.



David, K9DWR
#1604 LONP #255
david@graniteweb.com

On Jul 21, 2017, at 19:46, Paula Johnson hamette@hushmail.com [070] <070@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Well done you two! I hope to join that prestigious rank in November! Got 12 dates to fill yet.

Paula K7PAX

On Jul 21, 2017, at 5:38 PM, n7we1980@gmail.com [070] <070@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



Just worked Denny KI3F to complete his last needed qso for 366. Then saw Dave AK7DB for a station to complete his 366. Please join me in congratulating them on reaching this mile stone! I believe they will be the 15th and 16th to complete this very difficult endorsement. Well done to both of you!


Re: PODXS Net???

Jerry N9AVY
 

Very true.   After 47 years in service end I've found there are times when RTM in necessary .  Happened to me the other day at one of my customers.  There was a weird message on display and I did  everything I knew and went to car for manual... couldn't find a thing about solving problem.  In desperation I called manufacturer's tech support which ran me through all the programming and he was stymied too.  Finally he said to drop power, both AC & battery.  That cleared the problem.  It was last thing I would have thought of, but my job is to find a  fix quickly  and not run  up the billable hours.
 
When your stuck on something it's always good to RTFM  ... Read The Flaming Manual !
 
Jerry  N9AVY



From: "Chris M n9jca.chris@... [070]" <070@...>
To: 070@...
Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: [070] PODXS Net???

 
R T B M

Read The ( ??????? ) Manual
It's amazing how many people DON'T
Read the ??????? Manual
Sorry for the smart remark 
Geeez
Chris N9JCA #797

On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 11:30 AM Marty martygrove@... [070] <070@...> wrote:
 
Dan,
I downloaded NetLogger and took a look at it.  I haven't used that software in several years (way back when I was participating in the OMISS nets) and it is a LOT different than I remember.  I remembered it being more DOS-like in the past.  The new revisions are impressive. 
I have no idea on how to set it up for a particular net and operating it at a net controller.  Do you have any familiarity with that? 
Marty - KJ4LQX

On 07/21/2017 02:58 PM, Dan Morris dbmorris315@... [070] wrote:
 
Well, no body really needs Net Logger except for the Net Control Stations.  I believe the initial setup is what might take quite a while as someone would have to try and get most of the regulars in somewhat of a database, so when that person checks in, all his information will pop up on the Logger.  Now, those that download the Logger and use it, you will see everyone that has checked in and it is color coded as to whether they have checked out or who is up for making calls.  that way you know exactly where you stand and when your turn will be.   It really is a very neat little program.

I use it when I check in to the OMISS nets and sometimes there are up to 50 - 70 checkins on any one net!!!   Needless to say those nets can run for several hours!!!


Dan Morris  KZ3T

I live to live for Him!



On Jul 21, 2017, at 10:18 AM, David Hardy davehardy0101@... [070] <070@...> wrote:

This sounds like a great idea.  I'm in.  Do I need NetLogger?

David Hardy    
KB3RAN
 






Re: PODXS Net???

David Westphalen <n4dlt@...>
 

Its very easy. I use it daily for my nets I run.

 

De N4DLT

 

From: 070@... [mailto:070@...]
Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 12:26 PM
To: 070@...
Subject: Re: [070] PODXS Net???

 

 

Dan,

I downloaded NetLogger and took a look at it.  I haven't used that software in several years (way back when I was participating in the OMISS nets) and it is a LOT different than I remember.  I remembered it being more DOS-like in the past.  The new revisions are impressive. 

I have no idea on how to set it up for a particular net and operating it at a net controller.  Do you have any familiarity with that? 

Marty - KJ4LQX

 

On 07/21/2017 02:58 PM, Dan Morris dbmorris315@... [070] wrote:

 

Well, no body really needs Net Logger except for the Net Control Stations.  I believe the initial setup is what might take quite a while as someone would have to try and get most of the regulars in somewhat of a database, so when that person checks in, all his information will pop up on the Logger.  Now, those that download the Logger and use it, you will see everyone that has checked in and it is color coded as to whether they have checked out or who is up for making calls.  that way you know exactly where you stand and when your turn will be.   It really is a very neat little program.

 

I use it when I check in to the OMISS nets and sometimes there are up to 50 - 70 checkins on any one net!!!   Needless to say those nets can run for several hours!!!

 


Dan Morris  KZ3T

 

I live to live for Him!

 

 

On Jul 21, 2017, at 10:18 AM, David Hardy davehardy0101@... [070] <070@...> wrote:

 

This sounds like a great idea.  I'm in.  Do I need NetLogger?

David Hardy    

KB3RAN

 

 

 

 


Re: PODXS Net???

Chris M <n9jca.chris@...>
 

R T B M

Read The ( ??????? ) Manual
It's amazing how many people DON'T
Read the ??????? Manual
Sorry for the smart remark 
Geeez
Chris N9JCA #797


On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 11:30 AM Marty martygrove@... [070] <070@...> wrote:
 

Dan,

I downloaded NetLogger and took a look at it.  I haven't used that software in several years (way back when I was participating in the OMISS nets) and it is a LOT different than I remember.  I remembered it being more DOS-like in the past.  The new revisions are impressive. 

I have no idea on how to set it up for a particular net and operating it at a net controller.  Do you have any familiarity with that? 

Marty - KJ4LQX


On 07/21/2017 02:58 PM, Dan Morris dbmorris315@... [070] wrote:
 

Well, no body really needs Net Logger except for the Net Control Stations.  I believe the initial setup is what might take quite a while as someone would have to try and get most of the regulars in somewhat of a database, so when that person checks in, all his information will pop up on the Logger.  Now, those that download the Logger and use it, you will see everyone that has checked in and it is color coded as to whether they have checked out or who is up for making calls.  that way you know exactly where you stand and when your turn will be.   It really is a very neat little program.


I use it when I check in to the OMISS nets and sometimes there are up to 50 - 70 checkins on any one net!!!   Needless to say those nets can run for several hours!!!


Dan Morris  KZ3T

I live to live for Him!



On Jul 21, 2017, at 10:18 AM, David Hardy davehardy0101@... [070] <070@...> wrote:

This sounds like a great idea.  I'm in.  Do I need NetLogger?

David Hardy    
KB3RAN
 




Re: MACRO's

Jon Greene - wx5nco <wx5nco@...>
 

All,
Thanks for the input!  I think I have all my macro's fixed.  I deleted a LOT of them and modified most of the rest.  Now, that I have the day off, I sit here and don't see a PSK31 singnal anywhere.  I don't even see the propnet signals.  JT65 is real light this morning as well.  

73
Jon Greene WX5NCO
Tulsa, Oklahoma EM26
070 - 592
30DMC - 1233
DMC - 741
EPC - 5134
1010 - 74420

 



On Saturday, July 22, 2017, 11:27:42 AM CDT, Bill Garwood n4gbk@... [070] <070@...> wrote:


 

Agree with Steve.  No IMD etc. 

Do not send me my call over and over, I already know who I am.  Send your call and my call 1 time once the qso is underway.  If I need it, I will ask you to repeat anything that is missing.

Happy Radio!

Bill. N4GBK in NC


From: 070@... <070@...> on behalf of w3hf@... [070] <070@...>
Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 12:04:22 PM
To: 070@...
Subject: Re: [070] MACRO's
 
 

1a. If I'm answering a CQ, I will typically use a 1x4 -- my standard 1x1 macro followed by an "ID 3" macro.

1b. If I'm replying to someone who has responded to my CQ, I will use a 1x1 unless he hasn't copied my call correctly. Then I'd use a 1x4 as above. And I won't start the QSO itself until he copies my call correctly.
1c. During the QSO, it's only a 1x1. Anything else is a waste of time.

2. IMD and SNR are useless IMO. The way the software calculates IMD it's not correct unless the SNR is very high. And SNR is only useful to the receiving station, not the transmitter. So please do not put/leave them in your macros.

Steve
W3HF


Re: PODXS Net???

Marty Grove
 

Dan,

I downloaded NetLogger and took a look at it.  I haven't used that software in several years (way back when I was participating in the OMISS nets) and it is a LOT different than I remember.  I remembered it being more DOS-like in the past.  The new revisions are impressive. 

I have no idea on how to set it up for a particular net and operating it at a net controller.  Do you have any familiarity with that? 

Marty - KJ4LQX


On 07/21/2017 02:58 PM, Dan Morris dbmorris315@... [070] wrote:
 

Well, no body really needs Net Logger except for the Net Control Stations.  I believe the initial setup is what might take quite a while as someone would have to try and get most of the regulars in somewhat of a database, so when that person checks in, all his information will pop up on the Logger.  Now, those that download the Logger and use it, you will see everyone that has checked in and it is color coded as to whether they have checked out or who is up for making calls.  that way you know exactly where you stand and when your turn will be.   It really is a very neat little program.


I use it when I check in to the OMISS nets and sometimes there are up to 50 - 70 checkins on any one net!!!   Needless to say those nets can run for several hours!!!


Dan Morris  KZ3T

I live to live for Him!



On Jul 21, 2017, at 10:18 AM, David Hardy davehardy0101@... [070] <070@...> wrote:

This sounds like a great idea.  I'm in.  Do I need NetLogger?

David Hardy    
KB3RAN
 




Re: MACRO's

Marty Grove
 

I have set my macro's up a couple of different ways...

For casual QSO's I usually reply with two of my callsigns:  de k

For contests I reply with a single return of my call:   de k

You can always hit the reply macro again if you don't get a reply from the other station. 

If calling CQ you might want to send your call sign a few times.... maybe three times.  Gives other stations a bit of time to tune to your freq. 

Marty - KJ4LQX


On 07/22/2017 11:42 AM, Jon Greene - wx5nco wx5nco@... [070] wrote:
 
Good morning all,

While the bands are dead this morning, I'm fixing my macros.  Question for the group.  When starting (answering) a QSO, how many times do you call their call and your call.. for example, do you do one of the following?

1.  de 
2.  de   
or 3.  de 

Years ago, when I was active, I'd do #3.  HRD shows #2 and thats what I've done lately.  But I see #1 being shown in the beginners guide to PSK web site.  

Thoughts??


73
Jon Greene WX5NCO
Tulsa, Oklahoma EM26
070 - 592
30DMC - 1233
DMC - 741
EPC - 5134
1010 - 74420

 


Re: MACRO's

Bill Williams
 

I don't want it.  It depends on conditions and the receiving station too much to be indicative of my transmission quality.

Bill
AG4QX
#0398

On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 10:53 AM, Jon Greene - wx5nco wx5nco@... [070] <070@...> wrote:
 

Part 2 of MACRO questions.

In the RSQ report, do any of you care about the IMD or S/N report?  I've worked some that gave it, but is it useful?
Jon

73
Jon Greene WX5NCO
Tulsa, Oklahoma EM26
070 - 592
30DMC - 1233
DMC - 741
EPC - 5134
1010 - 74420

 



On Saturday, July 22, 2017, 10:47:18 AM CDT, Jon Greene - wx5nco wx5nco@... [070] <070@...> wrote:


 

Good morning all,

While the bands are dead this morning, I'm fixing my macros.  Question for the group.  When starting (answering) a QSO, how many times do you call their call and your call.. for example, do you do one of the following?

1.  de 
2. <CALL> de   
or 3.  de 

Years ago, when I was active, I'd do #3.  HRD shows #2 and thats what I've done lately.  But I see #1 being shown in the beginners guide to PSK web site.  

Thoughts??


73
Jon Greene WX5NCO
Tulsa, Oklahoma EM26
070 - 592
30DMC - 1233
DMC - 741
EPC - 5134
1010 - 74420

 



Re: MACRO's

Bill Williams
 

I have four macros and have used all four.  One has calls once, two have calls twice, three has the called station twice and my call three times and the fourth macro is my call only  repeated four times for when none of the others have worked.   If the calling station cannot figure our my call from all that then the QSO is done.     If comm is good then once works fine.

Bill
AG4QX
# 0398

On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 10:42 AM, Jon Greene - wx5nco wx5nco@... [070] <070@...> wrote:
 

Good morning all,

While the bands are dead this morning, I'm fixing my macros.  Question for the group.  When starting (answering) a QSO, how many times do you call their call and your call.. for example, do you do one of the following?

1.  de 
2.  de <MYCALL>  
or 3.  de &lt ;MYCALL>

Years ago, when I was active, I'd do #3.  HRD shows #2 and thats what I've done lately.  But I see #1 being shown in the beginners guide to PSK web site.  

Thoughts??


73
Jon Greene WX5NCO
Tulsa, Oklahoma EM26
070 - 592
30DMC - 1233
DMC - 741
EPC - 5134
1010 - 74420

 



Re: MACRO's

Justin Mattes--KC2GIK
 

Actually the name of game is to make initial contact as quick as possible
so I would drop the caller's callsign either once maybe twice then drop my
callsign three times
they know their own callsign, it's your callsign they're trying to get

Justin KC2GIK

Good morning all,
While the bands are dead this morning, I'm fixing my macros.  Question
for the group.  When starting (answering) a QSO, how many times do you
call their call and your call.. for example, do you do one of the
following?
1. <CALL> <CALL> <CALL> de <MYCALL> <MYCALL> <MYCALL>2. <CALL>
<CALL> de <MYCALL> <MYCALL> 
or 3. <CALL> de <MYCALL>
Years ago, when I was active, I'd do #3.  HRD shows #2 and thats what
I've done lately.  But I see #1 being shown in the beginners guide to PSK
web site.  
Thoughts??

73Jon Greene WX5NCO
Tulsa, Oklahoma EM26
070 - 592
30DMC - 1233
DMC - 741
EPC - 5134
1010 - 74420

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Re: MACRO's

Bill Garwood
 

Agree with Steve.  No IMD etc. 

Do not send me my call over and over, I already know who I am.  Send your call and my call 1 time once the qso is underway.  If I need it, I will ask you to repeat anything that is missing.

Happy Radio!

Bill. N4GBK in NC


From: 070@... <070@...> on behalf of w3hf@... [070] <070@...>
Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 12:04:22 PM
To: 070@...
Subject: Re: [070] MACRO's
 
 

1a. If I'm answering a CQ, I will typically use a 1x4 -- my standard 1x1 macro followed by an "ID 3" macro.

1b. If I'm replying to someone who has responded to my CQ, I will use a 1x1 unless he hasn't copied my call correctly. Then I'd use a 1x4 as above. And I won't start the QSO itself until he copies my call correctly.
1c. During the QSO, it's only a 1x1. Anything else is a waste of time.

2. IMD and SNR are useless IMO. The way the software calculates IMD it's not correct unless the SNR is very high. And SNR is only useful to the receiving station, not the transmitter. So please do not put/leave them in your macros.

Steve
W3HF


Re: MACRO's

Jerry N9AVY
 

Hi Jon !
 
When responding to a CQ, I usually do    de    .  He already knows his own call so doing it more than once might be redundant.  My own call I will give twice in case he has QSB or doesn't get it the first pass.  But this is subject  and most do what works  for them. 
 
When calling CQ , I use auto CQ which is  2 rounds of  3 CQ's and 3 de my call.   It also repeats  itself every 20=30 seconds so I can be doing other things.
 
I haven't found IMD & S/N reports useful.  As long as I can hear the other station I'm happy.  Have worked a lot of station where copying signal was so rough  I had to resort  to picking out bits and pieces to get a full call sign, but a contact was made.   My thoughts on IMD & S/N  reports is that they are the PSK  equivalent of "um"  and  "er"  or the telegraphic  version of .-.-.-. , just to fill space,  IMHO.
 
Jerry   N9AVY  #454



From: "Jon Greene - wx5nco wx5nco@... [070]" <070@...>
To: "Jon Greene - wx5nco wx5nco@... [070]" <070@...>
Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 10:53 AM
Subject: Re: [070] MACRO's

 
Part 2 of MACRO questions.

In the RSQ report, do any of you care about the IMD or S/N report?  I've worked some that gave it, but is it useful?
Jon

73
Jon Greene WX5NCO
Tulsa, Oklahoma EM26
070 - 592
30DMC - 1233
DMC - 741
EPC - 5134
1010 - 74420

 



On Saturday, July 22, 2017, 10:47:18 AM CDT, Jon Greene - wx5nco wx5nco@... [070] <070@...> wrote:


 
Good morning all,

While the bands are dead this morning, I'm fixing my macros.  Question for the group.  When starting (answering) a QSO, how many times do you call their call and your call.. for example, do you do one of the following?

1.  de 
2.  de   
or 3.  de 

Years ago, when I was active, I'd do #3.  HRD shows #2 and thats what I've done lately.  But I see #1 being shown in the beginners guide to PSK web site.  

Thoughts??


73
Jon Greene WX5NCO
Tulsa, Oklahoma EM26
070 - 592
30DMC - 1233
DMC - 741
EPC - 5134
1010 - 74420

 



Re: MACRO's

Radio <radio@...>
 

Hi Jon,


I keep several handy depending on conditions.  I usually start with de and only go to the longer versions in tough conditions.

HTH,

73 de Eric KH6MZS

On Jul 22, 2017, at 8:42 AM, Jon Greene - wx5nco wx5nco@... [070] <070@...> wrote:


Good morning all,

While the bands are dead this morning, I'm fixing my macros.  Question for the group.  When starting (answering) a QSO, how many times do you call their call and your call.. for example, do you do one of the following?

1.  de 
2. <CALL>  de   
or 3.  de <MYCALL>

Years ago, when I was active, I'd do #3.  HRD shows #2 and thats what I've done lately.  But I see #1 being shown in the beginners guide to PSK web site.  

Thoughts??


73
Jon Greene WX5NCO
Tulsa, Oklahoma EM26
070 - 592
30DMC - 1233
DMC - 741
EPC - 5134
1010 - 74420

 



Re: MACRO's

Steve W3HF
 

1a. If I'm answering a CQ, I will typically use a 1x4 -- my standard 1x1 macro followed by an "ID 3" macro.
1b. If I'm replying to someone who has responded to my CQ, I will use a 1x1 unless he hasn't copied my call correctly. Then I'd use a 1x4 as above. And I won't start the QSO itself until he copies my call correctly.
1c. During the QSO, it's only a 1x1. Anything else is a waste of time.

2. IMD and SNR are useless IMO. The way the software calculates IMD it's not correct unless the SNR is very high. And SNR is only useful to the receiving station, not the transmitter. So please do not put/leave them in your macros.

Steve
W3HF


Re: MACRO's

Jon Greene - wx5nco <wx5nco@...>
 

Part 2 of MACRO questions.

In the RSQ report, do any of you care about the IMD or S/N report?  I've worked some that gave it, but is it useful?
Jon

73
Jon Greene WX5NCO
Tulsa, Oklahoma EM26
070 - 592
30DMC - 1233
DMC - 741
EPC - 5134
1010 - 74420

 



On Saturday, July 22, 2017, 10:47:18 AM CDT, Jon Greene - wx5nco wx5nco@... [070] <070@...> wrote:


 

Good morning all,

While the bands are dead this morning, I'm fixing my macros.  Question for the group.  When starting (answering) a QSO, how many times do you call their call and your call.. for example, do you do one of the following?

1.  de 
2. <CALL>  de   
or 3.  de 

Years ago, when I was active, I'd do #3.  HRD shows #2 and thats what I've done lately.  But I see #1 being shown in the beginners guide to PSK web site.  

Thoughts??


73
Jon Greene WX5NCO
Tulsa, Oklahoma EM26
070 - 592
30DMC - 1233
DMC - 741
EPC - 5134
1010 - 74420

 

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