Date   

Re: 17M

Steve VA3FLF/KM4FLF
 

Not seeing you Randy. I noticed K5VP reported my signal on PSK Reporter at 18.1 

Steve 

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 10, 2017, at 15:01, randy true w4rttrandy@... [070] <070@...> wrote:

 

.98/1500


Randy W4RTT




From: 070@... <070@...> on behalf of Steve P oldjavadrinker@... [070] <070@...>
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 2:49 PM
To: 070@...
Subject: Re: [070] 17M
 
 

Where you at on band . I can try and meet you. I called CQ earlier at 18.098. 

I will drop down there . Sent at 1849z.

Steve
VA3FLF
2301

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 10, 2017, at 14:24, randy true w4rttrandy@... [070] <070@...> wrote:

 

Calling, but nobody home😠😠



Randy W4RTT


Re: NU4C - Paul - Completes 366!

Paul Milward <nu4c@...>
 

Thanks to everyone for the email congrats. But more importantly a big thank you to all whom I contacted to achieve this goal. I could not have done it without each and everyone of you. This endorsement was the most fun and most challenging of all 070 awards.
Thanks again
73 de
Paul nu4c #824

On Oct 9, 2017 06:47, "n7we1980@... [070]" <070@...> wrote:
 

He did it!  On 10/8 NU4C - Paul - completed his 366.  He is only the 21st person of 2570+ members to do so.  Congratulations Paul.  Well done!


Paul had previously completed the 24/7 endorsement.  Therefore, he also earned the Clock and Calendar Endorsement for working every day of the year, Leap Day, and every hour block of every day of the week.  He is only the 13th person to reach this phenomenal milestone!


It wasn't easy but he did it!  Please join me in congratulating him on this fine accomplishment!


Rick Butz
N7WE - 070 #1602

PODXS 070 Public Relations Director





Re: 17M

Randy True
 

.98/1500


Randy W4RTT




From: 070@... <070@...> on behalf of Steve P oldjavadrinker@... [070] <070@...>
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 2:49 PM
To: 070@...
Subject: Re: [070] 17M
 
 

Where you at on band . I can try and meet you. I called CQ earlier at 18.098. 

I will drop down there . Sent at 1849z.

Steve
VA3FLF
2301

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 10, 2017, at 14:24, randy true w4rttrandy@... [070] <070@...> wrote:

 

Calling, but nobody home😠😠



Randy W4RTT


Re: 17M

Steve VA3FLF/KM4FLF
 

Where you at on band . I can try and meet you. I called CQ earlier at 18.098. 
I will drop down there . Sent at 1849z.

Steve
VA3FLF
2301

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 10, 2017, at 14:24, randy true w4rttrandy@... [070] <070@...> wrote:

 

Calling, but nobody home😠😠



Randy W4RTT


17M

Randy True
 

Calling, but nobody home😠😠



Randy W4RTT


Re: 17m PSK31

Randy True
 

LOL!


Randy W4RTT




From: 070@... <070@...> on behalf of Jerry n9avy@... [070] <070@...>
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 12:47 PM
To: 070@...
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31
 
 

Why run a KW ...  ???
 
 1)  a KW  compensates for a crummy antenna ... you'll be 599, but you probably can't copy the station at other end
 
 2)  You like higher electric bills
 
 3) You have the  Tim "The Toolman" syndrome in which you believe the MORE POWER is the answer to everything
 
 4)  You're an unskilled newbie who just came from 11 meters where you ran 10 KW in mobile and have brain damage
 
 5)   You enjoy watching the traps on your you antenna go up in flames
 
 6)   You like having neighbors curse you because you go though their Wi-Fi, TVs, toasters, electric blankets, thermostats, opening garage doors and so on
 
    Feel free to add to list ...
 
 
Jerry  N9AVY     :-)
 



From: "Jonathan Wilson eaglescout.jonathan@... [070]" <070@...>
To: 070@...
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31

 
Why would you need to run that much power?  I've logged 70 or so contacts using my FT817 and a dipole in the last 3 days. 

On 10/9/17 6:46 PM, tom@... [070] wrote:
 
Many of the FT8 stations run a full KW. There is a lot of debate between the QRO/QRP people on FT8 groups (it's a weak signal mode, not low power mode).

           



Re: NU4C - Paul - Completes 366!

ljl2002@att.net
 

Paul,

Nice work.  You and Art put Ormond Beach on the map!

Nice to have you back Art.  We'll have to start on our second round of Qso's!  Prop to FL is still Ok up here.

CUL

Joe
KA1PPV  #1482



On Tuesday, October 10, 2017 11:43 AM, "on2ad.pat@... [070]" <070@...> wrote:


 
Hi Paul, NU4C

Congratulation with this result.

73 de Pat ON2AD



Re: Contest Certificates and other things

ljl2002@att.net
 

Matt,

Chin Up!  You perform a very valuable service to the PODXS Club so the least we can do is be patient.  I still get Eqsl's from 10 years ago. Hi Hi.

Enjoy receiving them so it will seem like Christmas morning when they arrive!

Thanks.

Joe
KA1PPV  #1482


On Sunday, October 8, 2017 5:15 PM, "Jerry Heien n9avy@... [070]" <070@...> wrote:


 
As they say , "stuff happens" !

Sent from my iPhone

On 8 Oct 2017, at 16:04, "Matthew King mrk.twg@... [070]" <070@...> wrote:

>



Re: 17m PSK31

Jerry N9AVY
 

Why run a KW ...  ???
 
 1)  a KW  compensates for a crummy antenna ... you'll be 599, but you probably can't copy the station at other end
 
 2)  You like higher electric bills
 
 3) You have the  Tim "The Toolman" syndrome in which you believe the MORE POWER is the answer to everything
 
 4)  You're an unskilled newbie who just came from 11 meters where you ran 10 KW in mobile and have brain damage
 
 5)   You enjoy watching the traps on your you antenna go up in flames
 
 6)   You like having neighbors curse you because you go though their Wi-Fi, TVs, toasters, electric blankets, thermostats, opening garage doors and so on
 
    Feel free to add to list ...
 
 
Jerry  N9AVY     :-)
 



From: "Jonathan Wilson eaglescout.jonathan@... [070]" <070@...>
To: 070@...
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31

 
Why would you need to run that much power?  I've logged 70 or so contacts using my FT817 and a dipole in the last 3 days. 

On 10/9/17 6:46 PM, tom@... [070] wrote:
 
Many of the FT8 stations run a full KW. There is a lot of debate between the QRO/QRP people on FT8 groups (it's a weak signal mode, not low power mode).

           



Re: 17m PSK31

James Quinby <james.quinby@...>
 


Re: 17m PSK31

F.R. Ashley
 

I can't imagine running a KW on FT8 or any digital mode.  I have run power on RTTY when trying to work a new one but on daily basis, no way.

But that would explain why I get comparatively much weaker signal reports even if  bump power up to 50 watts or more.

The power runners argument is that even at 500 watts, you can have a weak signal on the receivers end.   If I could not get a PSK or FT8 signal through at 500 watts, it's time to go fishing.

73 Buddy WB4M

#1545

On 10/10/2017 11:10 AM, Jonathan Wilson eaglescout.jonathan@yahoo.com [070] wrote:

Why would you need to run that much power?  I've logged 70 or so contacts using my FT817 and a dipole in the last 3 days.


On 10/9/17 6:46 PM, tom@kn6q.org [070] wrote:

Many of the FT8 stations run a full KW. There is a lot of debate between the QRO/QRP people on FT8 groups (it's a weak signal mode, not low power mode).


Yep, Hellschreiber, Olivia, PSK - FT8 steps on lots of things.  Like I said, it's all based on the default settings in WSJT-X.  If they change the frequencies there, everyone will move.  Otherwise it's a lost cause and everything will have to move around them.

73,

Tom KN6Q


---In 070@yahoogroups.com, <n9avy@...> wrote :

Ray:
14.040 ???   Don't you mean 14.070 ??
If there is no specific band plan for he digital modes then there will be chaos.  The FT8 crowd is already QRMing the Hellschreiber crowd.  When the RTTY signals start in Winter season, the FT8 guys will be complaining about QRM on 17m because many RTTY stations run 500 watts to a full KW. and that might be a problem.
This whole thing needs to be sorted out before our bands become intolerable.


------------------------------------------------------------------------
*From:* "'Ray Clements' r.clements@... [070]" <070@yahoogroups.com>
*To:* 070@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Monday, October 9, 2017 4:50 PM
*Subject:* Re: [070] 17m PSK31


As far as ARRL is concerned, PSK does not exist. Neither do most other digital modes. About the only digital modes included in their band plans are RTTY and Packet and SSTV. Beacon frequencies are also assigned.

Even our beloved 14.040 MHz PSK frequency is included as part of the RTTY sub-band. Thus,I guess those who use PSK at that frequency are infringing on the rights of RTTY users.

http://www.arrl.org/band-plan

Thus, I guess we have no right to complain about FT8 using the same frequency.

Ray N9RWC



------ Original Message ------
*Received: *12:17 PM CDT, 10/09/2017
*From: *"tom@... [070]" <070@yahoogroups.com>
*To: *<070@yahoogroups.com>
*Subject: *Re: [070] 17m PSK31


As someone who does both, the FT8 default frequencies are programmed in WSJT-X application (which is still in the release candidate 2 stage for FT8).  The best chance is to get them to change the frequency they use on when the release version (or RC3) comes out by complaining on the group.

This isn't the only band/mode that has a conflict, I don't FT8 also runs into Olivia on 20 meters.

If your hoping FT8 goes away, I seriously doubt it anytime soon. It has absolutely dominated every other digital mode for use since it came out.  Even JT65/JT9 modes are pretty dead now, especially JT9.

73,

Tom KN6Q

---In 070@yahoogroups.com, <rickocr2005@...> wrote :

I know I am late to the party, but trying on 17m now.....

*Fr Richard*
WB8YXF


On Monday, October 9, 2017, 11:46:24 AM EDT, 'Steve Case'
artcase@... [070] <070@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


I was there too for the last half hour, CQ'd saw nothing but FT8 sigs. I agree use it or lose it.
Steve
WA7ETE
PNW
#872
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*From*: "randy true w4rttrandy@... [070]" <070@yahoogroups.com>
*Sent*: Monday, October 09, 2017 8:41 AM
*To*: "070@yahoogroups.com" <070@yahoogroups.com>
*Subject*: Re: [070] 17m PSK31
Nope, just 20 FT8 signals.
Randy W4RTT
------------------------------------------------------------------------
*From:* 070@yahoogroups.com <070@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of 'Mike Besemer' mwbesemer@... [070] <070@yahoogroups.com>
*Sent:* Monday, October 9, 2017 11:11 AM
*To:* 070@yahoogroups.com
*Subject:* RE: [070] 17m PSK31
Not seeing you.  Can you see me?
Mike
WM4B
*From:*070@yahoogroups.com [mailto:070@yahoogroups.com]
*Sent:* Monday, October 9, 2017 11:02 AM
*To:* 070@yahoogroups.com
*Subject:* Re: [070] 17m PSK31
I'm also there
Randy W4RTT
------------------------------------------------------------------------
*From:*070@yahoogroups.com <mailto:070@yahoogroups.com> <070@yahoogroups.com <mailto:070@yahoogroups.com>> on behalf of 'Mike Besemer' mwbesemer@... <mailto:mwbesemer@...> [070] <070@yahoogroups.com <mailto:070@yahoogroups.com>>
*Sent:* Monday, October 9, 2017 10:57 AM
*To:* 070@yahoogroups.com <mailto:070@yahoogroups.com>
*Subject:* RE: [070] 17m PSK31
CQing there now.  The FT8 stations moved away from where I’m at.
Mike
WM4B
*From:*070@yahoogroups.com <mailto:070@yahoogroups.com> [mailto:070@yahoogroups.com]
*Sent:* Monday, October 9, 2017 10:48 AM
*To:* 070@yahoogroups.com <mailto:070@yahoogroups.com>
*Subject:* Re: [070] 17m PSK31
I just got into the digi modes a couple years ago, and I settled on PSK31 and have loved it. I did notice that whenever I went up to 17 and called there was seldom anyone around. I have made just a hand full of contacts on 17.
I do work FT8 and have mad many contacts on 17. But I try to keep above .100 because it is "our" freq. I think it was mostly, "hey these guys aren't using it, so lets us use it"
As the old saying says, if you don't use it you will lose it.
Randy W4RTT
------------------------------------------------------------------------
*From:*070@yahoogroups.com <mailto:070@yahoogroups.com> <070@yahoogroups.com <mailto:070@yahoogroups.com>> on behalf of Jerry n9avy@... <mailto:n9avy@...> [070] <070@yahoogroups.com <mailto:070@yahoogroups.com>>
*Sent:* Monday, October 9, 2017 9:29 AM
*To:* 070@yahoogroups.com <mailto:070@yahoogroups.com>
*Subject:* Re: [070] 17m PSK31
Probably not, but "venting" feels good.     I am hesitant to join another group after cleaning out several groups people urged me to join. There were days I'd wake up and have way too many emails to answer; so, I purged many email accounts that held little interest. Just don't want to start down that road again.
I'm hoping that once the FT8 people tire of the mode, they'll just go away.
Jerry  n9avy
------------------------------------------------------------------------
*From:*"n7we1980@... [070] <mailto:n7we1980@...%20[070]>" <070@yahoogroups.com <mailto:070@yahoogroups.com>>
*To:* 070@yahoogroups.com <mailto:070@yahoogroups.com>
*Sent:* Monday, October 9, 2017 6:11 AM
*Subject:* Re: [070] 17m PSK31
I too feel the frustration with FT-8 "taking over" what had been "our" segment of 17m.  But I doubt posting our concerns here will do much to change that.  May I suggest those of us who feel this is an inappropriate encroachment on the gentlemen's agreement join the WSJT Meteor Scatter and Weak Signal Group


https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/wsjtgroup/info

and voice our complaints there?
The group's conversations make for interesting reading - particularly the current thread of Expanding the Watering Hole.  Have no doubt - they are coming soon to a frequency we all love and use.  Time to make our voice heard!
Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602






Re: NU4C - Paul - Completes 366!

ON2AD Pat
 

Hi Paul, NU4C

Congratulation with this result.

73 de Pat ON2AD


Re: 17m PSK31

Jonathan Wilson <eaglescout.jonathan@...>
 

Why would you need to run that much power?  I've logged 70 or so contacts using my FT817 and a dipole in the last 3 days.

On 10/9/17 6:46 PM, tom@kn6q.org [070] wrote:

Many of the FT8 stations run a full KW. There is a lot of debate between the QRO/QRP people on FT8 groups (it's a weak signal mode, not low power mode).


Yep, Hellschreiber, Olivia, PSK - FT8 steps on lots of things.  Like I said, it's all based on the default settings in WSJT-X.  If they change the frequencies there, everyone will move.  Otherwise it's a lost cause and everything will have to move around them.

73,

Tom KN6Q


---In 070@yahoogroups.com, <n9avy@...> wrote :

Ray:
14.040 ???   Don't you mean 14.070 ??
If there is no specific band plan for he digital modes then there will be chaos.  The FT8 crowd is already QRMing the Hellschreiber crowd.  When the RTTY signals start in Winter season, the FT8 guys will be complaining about QRM on 17m because many RTTY stations run 500 watts to a full KW. and that might be a problem.
This whole thing needs to be sorted out before our bands become intolerable.


------------------------------------------------------------------------
*From:* "'Ray Clements' r.clements@... [070]" <070@yahoogroups.com>
*To:* 070@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Monday, October 9, 2017 4:50 PM
*Subject:* Re: [070] 17m PSK31


As far as ARRL is concerned, PSK does not exist. Neither do most other digital modes. About the only digital modes included in their band plans are RTTY and Packet and SSTV. Beacon frequencies are also assigned.

Even our beloved 14.040 MHz PSK frequency is included as part of the RTTY sub-band. Thus,I guess those who use PSK at that frequency are infringing on the rights of RTTY users.

http://www.arrl.org/band-plan

Thus, I guess we have no right to complain about FT8 using the same frequency.

Ray N9RWC



------ Original Message ------
*Received: *12:17 PM CDT, 10/09/2017
*From: *"tom@... [070]" <070@yahoogroups.com>
*To: *<070@yahoogroups.com>
*Subject: *Re: [070] 17m PSK31


As someone who does both, the FT8 default frequencies are programmed in WSJT-X application (which is still in the release candidate 2 stage for FT8).   The best chance is to get them to change the frequency they use on when the release version (or RC3) comes out by complaining on the group.

This isn't the only band/mode that has a conflict, I don't FT8 also runs into Olivia on 20 meters.

If your hoping FT8 goes away, I seriously doubt it anytime soon.  It has absolutely dominated every other digital mode for use since it came out.   Even JT65/JT9 modes are pretty dead now, especially JT9.

73,

Tom KN6Q

---In 070@yahoogroups.com, <rickocr2005@...> wrote :

I know I am late to the party, but trying on 17m now.....

*Fr Richard*
WB8YXF


On Monday, October 9, 2017, 11:46:24 AM EDT, 'Steve Case'
artcase@... [070] <070@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


I was there too for the last half hour, CQ'd saw nothing but FT8 sigs. I agree use it or lose it.
Steve
WA7ETE
PNW
#872
------------------------------------------------------------------------
*From*: "randy true w4rttrandy@... [070]" <070@yahoogroups.com>
*Sent*: Monday, October 09, 2017 8:41 AM
*To*: "070@yahoogroups.com" <070@yahoogroups.com>
*Subject*: Re: [070] 17m PSK31
Nope, just 20 FT8 signals.
Randy W4RTT
------------------------------------------------------------------------
*From:* 070@yahoogroups.com <070@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of 'Mike Besemer' mwbesemer@... [070] <070@yahoogroups.com>
*Sent:* Monday, October 9, 2017 11:11 AM
*To:* 070@yahoogroups.com
*Subject:* RE: [070] 17m PSK31
Not seeing you.  Can you see me?
Mike
WM4B
*From:*070@yahoogroups.com [mailto:070@yahoogroups.com]
*Sent:* Monday, October 9, 2017 11:02 AM
*To:* 070@yahoogroups.com
*Subject:* Re: [070] 17m PSK31
I'm also there
Randy W4RTT
------------------------------------------------------------------------
*From:*070@yahoogroups.com <mailto:070@yahoogroups.com> <070@yahoogroups.com <mailto:070@yahoogroups.com>> on behalf of 'Mike Besemer' mwbesemer@... <mailto:mwbesemer@...> [070] <070@yahoogroups.com <mailto:070@yahoogroups.com>>
*Sent:* Monday, October 9, 2017 10:57 AM
*To:* 070@yahoogroups.com <mailto:070@yahoogroups.com>
*Subject:* RE: [070] 17m PSK31
CQing there now.  The FT8 stations moved away from where I’m at.
Mike
WM4B
*From:*070@yahoogroups.com <mailto:070@yahoogroups.com> [mailto:070@yahoogroups.com]
*Sent:* Monday, October 9, 2017 10:48 AM
*To:* 070@yahoogroups.com <mailto:070@yahoogroups.com>
*Subject:* Re: [070] 17m PSK31
I just got into the digi modes a couple years ago, and I settled on PSK31 and have loved it. I did notice that whenever I went up to 17 and called there was seldom anyone around. I have made just a hand full of contacts on 17.
I do work FT8 and have mad many contacts on 17. But I try to keep above .100 because it is "our" freq. I think it was mostly, "hey these guys aren't using it, so lets us use it"
As the old saying says, if you don't use it you will lose it.
Randy W4RTT
------------------------------------------------------------------------
*From:*070@yahoogroups.com <mailto:070@yahoogroups.com> <070@yahoogroups.com <mailto:070@yahoogroups.com>> on behalf of Jerry n9avy@... <mailto:n9avy@...> [070] <070@yahoogroups.com <mailto:070@yahoogroups.com>>
*Sent:* Monday, October 9, 2017 9:29 AM
*To:* 070@yahoogroups.com <mailto:070@yahoogroups.com>
*Subject:* Re: [070] 17m PSK31
Probably not, but "venting" feels good.     I am hesitant to join another group after cleaning out several groups people urged me to join. There were days I'd wake up and have way too many emails to answer; so, I purged many email accounts that held little interest. Just don't want to start down that road again.
I'm hoping that once the FT8 people tire of the mode, they'll just go away.
Jerry  n9avy
------------------------------------------------------------------------
*From:*"n7we1980@... [070] <mailto:n7we1980@...%20[070]>" <070@yahoogroups.com <mailto:070@yahoogroups.com>>
*To:* 070@yahoogroups.com <mailto:070@yahoogroups.com>
*Sent:* Monday, October 9, 2017 6:11 AM
*Subject:* Re: [070] 17m PSK31
I too feel the frustration with FT-8 "taking over" what had been "our" segment of 17m.  But I doubt posting our concerns here will do much to change that.  May I suggest those of us who feel this is an inappropriate encroachment on the gentlemen's agreement join the WSJT Meteor Scatter and Weak Signal Group


https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/wsjtgroup/info

and voice our complaints there?
The group's conversations make for interesting reading - particularly the current thread of Expanding the Watering Hole.  Have no doubt - they are coming soon to a frequency we all love and use.  Time to make our voice heard!
Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602







Re: 17m PSK31

Ray Clements
 

Most definitely 14.070. Sorry about the slip of the typing finger.

Ray N9RWC

------ Original Message ------
*Received:* 05:00 PM CDT, 10/09/2017
*From:* "Jerry n9avy@sbcglobal.net [070]" <070@yahoogroups.com>
*To:* "070@yahoogroups.com" <070@yahoogroups.com>
*Subject:* Re: [070] 17m PSK31

 

Ray:
 
14.040  ???   Don't you mean 14.070 ??
 
If there is no specific band plan for he digital modes then there will be chaos.  The FT8 crowd is already QRMing the Hellschreiber crowd.  When the RTTY signals start in Winter season, the FT8 guys will be complaining about QRM on 17m because many RTTY stations run 500 watts to a full KW. and that might be a problem.
 
This whole thing needs to be sorted out before our bands become intolerable.

*From:* "'Ray Clements' r.clements@usa.net [070]" <070@yahoogroups.com>
*To:* 070@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Monday, October 9, 2017 4:50 PM
*Subject:* Re: [070] 17m PSK31

 

As far as ARRL is concerned, PSK does not exist. Neither do most other digital modes. About the only digital modes included in their band plans are RTTY and Packet and SSTV. Beacon frequencies are also assigned.

Even our beloved 14.040 MHz PSK frequency is included as part of the RTTY sub-band. Thus,I guess those who use PSK at that frequency are infringing on the rights of RTTY users. 

http://www.arrl.org/band-plan

Thus, I guess we have no right to complain about FT8 using the same frequency.

Ray N9RWC

------ Original Message ------
*Received:* 12:17 PM CDT, 10/09/2017
*From:* "tom@kn6q.org [070]" <070@yahoogroups.com>
*To:* <070@yahoogroups.com>
*Subject:* Re: [070] 17m PSK31

 
As someone who does both, the FT8 default frequencies are programmed in WSJT-X application (which is still in the release candidate 2 stage for FT8).   The best chance is to get them to change the frequency they use on when the release version (or RC3) comes out by complaining on the group. 

This isn't the only band/mode that has a conflict, I don't FT8 also runs into Olivia on 20 meters.

If your hoping FT8 goes away, I seriously doubt it anytime soon.  It has absolutely dominated every other digital mode for use since it came out.   Even JT65/JT9 modes are pretty dead now, especially JT9.

73,

Tom KN6Q  

---In 070@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

I know I am late to the party, but trying on 17m now.....

*Fr Richard*
WB8YXF


On Monday, October 9, 2017, 11:46:24 AM EDT, 'Steve Case' artcase@...
[070] <070@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

I was there too for the last half hour, CQ'd saw nothing but FT8 sigs. I agree use it or lose it.
Steve
WA7ETE
PNW
#872
 
 
 
*From* : "randy true w4rttrandy@... [070]" <070@yahoogroups.com>
*Sent* : Monday, October 09, 2017 8:41 AM
*To* : "070@yahoogroups.com" <070@yahoogroups.com>
*Subject* : Re: [070] 17m PSK31
 
 
 
Nope, just 20 FT8 signals.
 
Randy W4RTT
 
*From:* 070@yahoogroups.com <070@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of 'Mike Besemer' mwbesemer@... [070] <070@yahoogroups.com>
*Sent:* Monday, October 9, 2017 11:11 AM
*To:* 070@yahoogroups.com
*Subject:* RE: [070] 17m PSK31
 
 
 
Not seeing you.  Can you see me?
 
Mike
WM4B
 
*From:* 070@yahoogroups.com [mailto:070@yahoogroups.com]
*Sent:* Monday, October 9, 2017 11:02 AM
*To:* 070@yahoogroups.com
*Subject:* Re: [070] 17m PSK31
 
 
I'm also there
 
Randy W4RTT
 

*From:* 070@yahoogroups.com < 070@yahoogroups.com > on behalf of 'Mike Besemer' mwbesemer@... [070] < 070@yahoogroups.com >
*Sent:* Monday, October 9, 2017 10:57 AM
*To:* 070@yahoogroups.com
*Subject:* RE: [070] 17m PSK31
 
 
CQing there now.  The FT8 stations moved away from where I’m at.
 
Mike
WM4B
 
*From:* 070@yahoogroups.com [ mailto:070@yahoogroups.com ( 070@yahoogroups.com ) ]
*Sent:* Monday, October 9, 2017 10:48 AM
*To:* 070@yahoogroups.com
*Subject:* Re: [070] 17m PSK31
 
 
I just got into the digi modes a couple years ago, and I settled on PSK31 and have loved it. I did notice that whenever I went up to 17 and called there was seldom anyone around. I have made just a hand full of contacts on 17.
I do work FT8 and have mad many contacts on 17. But I try to keep above .100 because it is "our" freq. I think it was mostly, "hey these guys aren't using it, so lets us use it"
As the old saying says, if you don't use it you will lose it.
 
Randy W4RTT
 

*From:* 070@yahoogroups.com < 070@yahoogroups.com > on behalf of Jerry n9avy@... [070] < 070@yahoogroups.com >
*Sent:* Monday, October 9, 2017 9:29 AM
*To:* 070@yahoogroups.com
*Subject:* Re: [070] 17m PSK31
 
 
Probably not, but "venting" feels good.     I am hesitant to join another group after cleaning out several groups people urged me to join.  There were days I'd wake up and have way too many emails to answer; so, I purged many email accounts that held little interest. Just don't want to start down that road again.
 
I'm hoping that once the FT8 people tire of the mode, they'll just go away.
 
Jerry  n9avy


Re: NU4C - Paul - Completes 366!

Arthur Petteway
 

Paul,

Congratulations !

Job well done.

73,
Art WB4MNK


Re: 17m PSK31

Randy True
 

From what I have experienced since FT8 came out, a lot of the guys that were doing PSK have moved over to FT8.



Randy W4RTT




From: 070@... <070@...> on behalf of kc3ef1@... [070] <070@...>
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 4:36 PM
To: 070@...
Subject: [070] Re: 17m PSK31
 
 

Well fellows the band is not dead if your on FT8.  Lots of activity.   I have been calling CQ also with no response, no traces seen.

 

73

Dick

KC3EF


Re: 17m PSK31

tom@...
 

Many of the FT8 stations run a full KW. There is a lot of debate between the QRO/QRP people on FT8 groups (it's a weak signal mode, not low power mode).

Yep, Hellschreiber, Olivia, PSK - FT8 steps on lots of things. Like I said, it's all based on the default settings in WSJT-X. If they change the frequencies there, everyone will move. Otherwise it's a lost cause and everything will have to move around them.


73,


Tom KN6Q


---In 070@yahoogroups.com, <n9avy@...> wrote :

Ray:

14.040 ??? Don't you mean 14.070 ??

If there is no specific band plan for he digital modes then there will be chaos. The FT8 crowd is already QRMing the Hellschreiber crowd. When the RTTY signals start in Winter season, the FT8 guys will be complaining about QRM on 17m because many RTTY stations run 500 watts to a full KW. and that might be a problem.

This whole thing needs to be sorted out before our bands become intolerable.



From: "'Ray Clements' r.clements@... [070]" <070@yahoogroups.com>
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 4:50 PM
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31




As far as ARRL is concerned, PSK does not exist. Neither do most other digital modes. About the only digital modes included in their band plans are RTTY and Packet and SSTV. Beacon frequencies are also assigned.

Even our beloved 14.040 MHz PSK frequency is included as part of the RTTY sub-band. Thus,I guess those who use PSK at that frequency are infringing on the rights of RTTY users.


http://www.arrl.org/band-plan


Thus, I guess we have no right to complain about FT8 using the same frequency.


Ray N9RWC




------ Original Message ------
Received: 12:17 PM CDT, 10/09/2017
From: "tom@... [070]" <070@yahoogroups.com>
To: <070@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31


As someone who does both, the FT8 default frequencies are programmed in WSJT-X application (which is still in the release candidate 2 stage for FT8). The best chance is to get them to change the frequency they use on when the release version (or RC3) comes out by complaining on the group.


This isn't the only band/mode that has a conflict, I don't FT8 also runs into Olivia on 20 meters.


If your hoping FT8 goes away, I seriously doubt it anytime soon. It has absolutely dominated every other digital mode for use since it came out. Even JT65/JT9 modes are pretty dead now, especially JT9.


73,


Tom KN6Q

---In 070@yahoogroups.com, <rickocr2005@...> wrote :

I know I am late to the party, but trying on 17m now.....



Fr Richard
WB8YXF







On Monday, October 9, 2017, 11:46:24 AM EDT, 'Steve Case' artcase@... [070] <070@yahoogroups.com> wrote:





I was there too for the last half hour, CQ'd saw nothing but FT8 sigs. I agree use it or lose it.
Steve
WA7ETE
PNW
#872



From: "randy true w4rttrandy@... [070]" <070@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2017 8:41 AM
To: "070@yahoogroups.com" <070@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31

Nope, just 20 FT8 signals.

Randy W4RTT
From: 070@yahoogroups.com <070@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of 'Mike Besemer' mwbesemer@... [070] <070@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 11:11 AM
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [070] 17m PSK31


Not seeing you. Can you see me?

Mike
WM4B

From: 070@yahoogroups.com [mailto:070@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 11:02 AM
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31




I'm also there

Randy W4RTT


From: 070@yahoogroups.com mailto:070@yahoogroups.com <070@yahoogroups.com mailto:070@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of 'Mike Besemer' mwbesemer@... mailto:mwbesemer@... [070] <070@yahoogroups.com mailto:070@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 10:57 AM
To: 070@yahoogroups.com mailto:070@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [070] 17m PSK31




CQing there now. The FT8 stations moved away from where I’m at.

Mike
WM4B

From: 070@yahoogroups.com mailto:070@yahoogroups.com [mailto:070@yahoogroups.com mailto:070@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 10:48 AM
To: 070@yahoogroups.com mailto:070@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31




I just got into the digi modes a couple years ago, and I settled on PSK31 and have loved it. I did notice that whenever I went up to 17 and called there was seldom anyone around. I have made just a hand full of contacts on 17.
I do work FT8 and have mad many contacts on 17. But I try to keep above .100 because it is "our" freq. I think it was mostly, "hey these guys aren't using it, so lets us use it"
As the old saying says, if you don't use it you will lose it.

Randy W4RTT


From: 070@yahoogroups.com mailto:070@yahoogroups.com <070@yahoogroups.com mailto:070@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Jerry n9avy@... mailto:n9avy@... [070] <070@yahoogroups.com mailto:070@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 9:29 AM
To: 070@yahoogroups.com mailto:070@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31




Probably not, but "venting" feels good. I am hesitant to join another group after cleaning out several groups people urged me to join. There were days I'd wake up and have way too many emails to answer; so, I purged many email accounts that held little interest. Just don't want to start down that road again.



I'm hoping that once the FT8 people tire of the mode, they'll just go away.



Jerry n9avy






From: "n7we1980@... [070] mailto:n7we1980@...%20[070]" <070@yahoogroups.com mailto:070@yahoogroups.com>
To: 070@yahoogroups.com mailto:070@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 6:11 AM
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31



I too feel the frustration with FT-8 "taking over" what had been "our" segment of 17m. But I doubt posting our concerns here will do much to change that. May I suggest those of us who feel this is an inappropriate encroachment on the gentlemen's agreement join the WSJT Meteor Scatter and Weak Signal Group

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/wsjtgroup/info and voice our complaints there?



The group's conversations make for interesting reading - particularly the current thread of Expanding the Watering Hole. Have no doubt - they are coming soon to a frequency we all love and use. Time to make our voice heard!



Rick - N7WE

070 - #1602


Re: 17m PSK31

Jerry N9AVY
 

Ray: 14.040  ???   Don't you mean 14.070 ?? If there is no specific band plan for he digital modes then there will be chaos.  The FT8 crowd is already QRMing the Hellschreiber crowd.  When the RTTY signals start in Winter season, the FT8 guys will be complaining about QRM on 17m because many RTTY stations run 500 watts to a full KW. and that might be a problem. This whole thing needs to be sorted out before our bands become intolerable.

From: "'Ray Clements' r.clements@usa.net [070]" <070@yahoogroups.com>
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 4:50 PM
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31

 
As far as ARRL is concerned, PSK does not exist. Neither do most other digital modes. About the only digital modes included in their band plans are RTTY and Packet and SSTV. Beacon frequencies are also assigned.
Even our beloved 14.040 MHz PSK frequency is included as part of the RTTY sub-band. Thus,I guess those who use PSK at that frequency are infringing on the rights of RTTY users. 
http://www.arrl.org/band-plan
Thus, I guess we have no right to complain about FT8 using the same frequency.
Ray N9RWC


------ Original Message ------
Received: 12:17 PM CDT, 10/09/2017
From: "tom@kn6q.org [070]" <070@yahoogroups.com>
To: <070@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31


  As someone who does both, the FT8 default frequencies are programmed in WSJT-X application (which is still in the release candidate 2 stage for FT8).   The best chance is to get them to change the frequency they use on when the release version (or RC3) comes out by complaining on the group. 
This isn't the only band/mode that has a conflict, I don't FT8 also runs into Olivia on 20 meters.

If your hoping FT8 goes away, I seriously doubt it anytime soon.  It has absolutely dominated every other digital mode for use since it came out.   Even JT65/JT9 modes are pretty dead now, especially JT9.
73,
Tom KN6Q  

---In 070@yahoogroups.com, <rickocr2005@...> wrote :

I know I am late to the party, but trying on 17m now.....

Fr Richard
WB8YXF



On Monday, October 9, 2017, 11:46:24 AM EDT, 'Steve Case' artcase@... [070] <070@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


  I was there too for the last half hour, CQ'd saw nothing but FT8 sigs. I agree use it or lose it. Steve WA7ETE PNW #872       From: "randy true w4rttrandy@... [070]" <070@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2017 8:41 AM
To: "070@yahoogroups.com" <070@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31       Nope, just 20 FT8 signals.   Randy W4RTT   From: 070@yahoogroups.com <070@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of 'Mike Besemer' mwbesemer@... [070] <070@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 11:11 AM
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [070] 17m PSK31       Not seeing you.  Can you see me?   Mike WM4B   From: 070@yahoogroups.com [mailto:070@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 11:02 AM
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31     I'm also there   Randy W4RTT   From: 070@yahoogroups.com <070@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of 'Mike Besemer' mwbesemer@... [070] <070@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 10:57 AM
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [070] 17m PSK31     CQing there now.  The FT8 stations moved away from where I’m at.   Mike WM4B   From: 070@yahoogroups.com [mailto:070@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 10:48 AM
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31     I just got into the digi modes a couple years ago, and I settled on PSK31 and have loved it. I did notice that whenever I went up to 17 and called there was seldom anyone around. I have made just a hand full of contacts on 17. I do work FT8 and have mad many contacts on 17. But I try to keep above .100 because it is "our" freq. I think it was mostly, "hey these guys aren't using it, so lets us use it" As the old saying says, if you don't use it you will lose it.   Randy W4RTT   From: 070@yahoogroups.com <070@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Jerry n9avy@... [070] <070@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 9:29 AM
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31     Probably not, but "venting" feels good.     I am hesitant to join another group after cleaning out several groups people urged me to join.  There were days I'd wake up and have way too many emails to answer; so, I purged many email accounts that held little interest. Just don't want to start down that road again.   I'm hoping that once the FT8 people tire of the mode, they'll just go away.   Jerry  n9avy     From: "n7we1980@... [070]" <070@yahoogroups.com>
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 6:11 AM
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31     I too feel the frustration with FT-8 "taking over" what had been "our" segment of 17m.  But I doubt posting our concerns here will do much to change that.  May I suggest those of us who feel this is an inappropriate encroachment on the gentlemen's agreement join the WSJT Meteor Scatter and Weak Signal Group  
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/wsjtgroup/info
and voice our complaints there?   The group's conversations make for interesting reading - particularly the current thread of Expanding the Watering Hole.  Have no doubt - they are coming soon to a frequency we all love and use.  Time to make our voice heard!   Rick - N7WE 070 - #1602
 
         

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Re: 17m PSK31

Ray Clements
 


As far as ARRL is concerned, PSK does not exist. Neither do most other digital modes. About the only digital modes included in their band plans are RTTY and Packet and SSTV. Beacon frequencies are also assigned.

Even our beloved 14.040 MHz PSK frequency is included as part of the RTTY sub-band. Thus,I guess those who use PSK at that frequency are infringing on the rights of RTTY users. 

http://www.arrl.org/band-plan

Thus, I guess we have no right to complain about FT8 using the same frequency.

Ray N9RWC



------ Original Message ------
Received: 12:17 PM CDT, 10/09/2017
From: "tom@... [070]" <070@...>
To: <070@...>
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31


 

As someone who does both, the FT8 default frequencies are programmed in WSJT-X application (which is still in the release candidate 2 stage for FT8).   The best chance is to get them to change the frequency they use on when the release version (or RC3) comes out by complaining on the group. 


This isn't the only band/mode that has a conflict, I don't FT8 also runs into Olivia on 20 meters.

If your hoping FT8 goes away, I seriously doubt it anytime soon.  It has absolutely dominated every other digital mode for use since it came out.   Even JT65/JT9 modes are pretty dead now, especially JT9.

73,

Tom KN6Q  

---In 070@..., wrote :

I know I am late to the party, but trying on 17m now.....

Fr Richard
WB8YXF


On Monday, October 9, 2017, 11:46:24 AM EDT, 'Steve Case' artcase@... [070] <070@...> wrote:


 

I was there too for the last half hour, CQ'd saw nothing but FT8 sigs. I agree use it or lose it.
Steve
WA7ETE
PNW
#872
 
 
 

From: "randy true w4rttrandy@... [070]" <070@...>
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2017 8:41 AM
To: "070@..." <070@...>
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31
 
 

 

Nope, just 20 FT8 signals.

 

Randy W4RTT

 

From: 070@... <070@...> on behalf of 'Mike Besemer' mwbesemer@... [070] <070@...>
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 11:11 AM
To: 070@...
Subject: RE: [070] 17m PSK31
 
 

 

Not seeing you.  Can you see me?

 

Mike

WM4B

 

From: 070@... [mailto:070@...]
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 11:02 AM
To: 070@...
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31

 

 

I'm also there

 

Randy W4RTT

 


From: 070@... <070@...> on behalf of 'Mike Besemer' mwbesemer@... [070] <070@...>
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 10:57 AM
To: 070@...
Subject: RE: [070] 17m PSK31

 

 

CQing there now.  The FT8 stations moved away from where I’m at.

 

Mike

WM4B

 

From: 070@... [mailto:070@...]
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 10:48 AM
To: 070@...
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31

 

 

I just got into the digi modes a couple years ago, and I settled on PSK31 and have loved it. I did notice that whenever I went up to 17 and called there was seldom anyone around. I have made just a hand full of contacts on 17.

I do work FT8 and have mad many contacts on 17. But I try to keep above .100 because it is "our" freq. I think it was mostly, "hey these guys aren't using it, so lets us use it"

As the old saying says, if you don't use it you will lose it.

 

Randy W4RTT

 


From: 070@... <070@...> on behalf of Jerry n9avy@... [070] <070@...>
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 9:29 AM
To: 070@...
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31

 

 

Probably not, but "venting" feels good.     I am hesitant to join another group after cleaning out several groups people urged me to join.  There were days I'd wake up and have way too many emails to answer; so, I purged many email accounts that held little interest. Just don't want to start down that road again.

 

I'm hoping that once the FT8 people tire of the mode, they'll just go away.

 

Jerry  n9avy

 

 


From: "n7we1980@... [070]" <070@...>
To: 070@...
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 6:11 AM
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31

 

 

I too feel the frustration with FT-8 "taking over" what had been "our" segment of 17m.  But I doubt posting our concerns here will do much to change that.  May I suggest those of us who feel this is an inappropriate encroachment on the gentlemen's agreement join the WSJT Meteor Scatter and Weak Signal Group  

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/wsjtgroup/info

and voice our complaints there?

 

The group's conversations make for interesting reading - particularly the current thread of Expanding the Watering Hole.  Have no doubt - they are coming soon to a frequency we all love and use.  Time to make our voice heard!

 

Rick - N7WE

070 - #1602

 

 

 

 

 

 




Re: 17m PSK31

WA7ETE #872
 

I have been calling CQ off and on 18.097 +1500 from PNW.
Steve
WA7ETE 
#872
 
 
 


From: "kc3ef1@... [070]" <070@...>
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2017 2:44 PM
To: 070@...
Subject: [070] Re: 17m PSK31
 
 

 

Well fellows the band is not dead if your on FT8.  Lots of activity.   I have been calling CQ also with no response, no traces seen.

 

73

Dick

KC3EF

 

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