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Re: Newbie question re 070 Sprint contest rules

Matthew King - AK4MK
 

I'll field that one, Barry.

It's the exact same format/rules/exchange as the Triple Play, it's just an additional contest on a different date. We're hoping maybe being more in "real winter" might quieten down the bands some and give us some better prop.

I'll work on getting a new page put up, but it's EXACTLY the same as the Triple Play, just on the December dates, so I'm really not sure there's a need.

73

Matt King
AK4MK - 070 #1708
PODXS 070 Club Executive Director



On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 8:09 PM, boat.anchor@... [070] <070@...> wrote:
 

Joe

I see Double Header listed on the Contest Calendar but find no explanation to 
enlighten me on how it differs from Low Band Sprint.
Are we running the event again because of lousy conditions.
TVM
Barry
VB7150



---In 070@..., wrote :

Hey Ted,

Lucky for you the club is doing this sprint again next month!

We'll be lookin fer ya in upcoming contests.  They are always fun regardless where you place and the only enemy is the ionosphere.

CUL.

Joe
KA1PPV  #1482



Re: Anybody on?

Jerry N9AVY
 

Just worked  KD6BSL  in So Cal near LA.  Only signal on 40m band.
 
Jerry  n9avy



From: "Jerry n9avy@... [070]" <070@...>
To: "070@..." <070@...>
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: [070] Anybody on?

 
Not a signal to be heard on 40m... just a bunch of what sounds like power line noise. Made a couple long CQs  and no answer ..
 
jerry  n9avy



From: "'Mike Besemer' mwbesemer@... [070]" <070@...>
To: 070@...
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 6:50 PM
Subject: RE: [070] Anybody on?

 
I’ll be CQing in earnest .  I see some strong signals, but I can’t work them
 
Mike
WM4B 
 
From: 070@... [mailto:070@...]
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 7:49 PM
To: 070@...
Subject: Re: [070] Anybody on?
 
 
will be there in about 5 minutes around 0155Z

Jim K5SP
On 11/13/2017 6:45 PM, 'Mike Besemer' mwbesemer@... [070] wrote:
 
Boy… 40 is useless tonight! Looking for my 366 QSO.
Mike
WM4B
#348
 





Re: Contest Scorer

boat.anchor@...
 

Joe
Running full hundred watts. Doing OK with it.
Getting 2-3 contacts per week.
Barry



---In 070@..., <joe_molon@...> wrote :

Hey Barry,

Were you running QRP again or are you guys up north on the outs with ol' sol?
Kinda tough goin, eh?  Same here.

Joe
KA1PPV  #1482


Re: Newbie question re 070 Sprint contest rules

boat.anchor@...
 

Joe
I see Double Header listed on the Contest Calendar but find no explanation to 
enlighten me on how it differs from Low Band Sprint.
Are we running the event again because of lousy conditions.
TVM
Barry
VB7150



---In 070@..., <joe_molon@...> wrote :

Hey Ted,

Lucky for you the club is doing this sprint again next month!

We'll be lookin fer ya in upcoming contests.  They are always fun regardless where you place and the only enemy is the ionosphere.

CUL.

Joe
KA1PPV  #1482


Re: Anybody on?

Fr Richard R
 

still afew gud signals on 40, though I am headed QRT for now

Fr Richard



On Monday, November 13, 2017, 8:01:23 PM EST, jinnis@... [070] <070@...> wrote:


 

Where exactly are you, see several traces, Fr Richard is strong into here, W9ICK, and a couple others but dont see your CQ. 

Jim K5SP


Re: Anybody on?

Mike Besemer <mwbesemer@...>
 

Every time I CQ, I get kicked off by a single that can’t hear me!  I’ll call at 1700 Hz.

 

Mike

WM4B

 

From: 070@... [mailto:070@...]
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 8:01 PM
To: 070@...
Subject: RE: [070] Anybody on?

 

 

Where exactly are you, see several traces, Fr Richard is strong into here, W9ICK, and a couple others but dont see your CQ. 

Jim K5SP


Re: Anybody on?

Jim K5SP
 

Where exactly are you, see several traces, Fr Richard is strong into here, W9ICK, and a couple others but dont see your CQ. 

Jim K5SP


Re: Anybody on?

Mike Besemer <mwbesemer@...>
 

I’m still seeing several pretty strong signals on a North-South line, but they can’t hear me.

Do we have aurora tonight?

Mike
WM4B

From: 070@yahoogroups.com [mailto:070@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 7:57 PM
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [070] Anybody on?


Not a signal to be heard on 40m... just a bunch of what sounds like power line noise. Made a couple long CQs and no answer ..

jerry n9avy

________________________________________
From: "'Mike Besemer' mwbesemer@cox.net [070]" <070@yahoogroups.com>
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 6:50 PM
Subject: RE: [070] Anybody on?


I’ll be CQing in earnest . I see some strong signals, but I can’t work them

Mike
WM4B

From: 070@yahoogroups.com [mailto:070@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 7:49 PM
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [070] Anybody on?


will be there in about 5 minutes around 0155Z

Jim K5SP
On 11/13/2017 6:45 PM, 'Mike Besemer' mwbesemer@cox.net [070] wrote:

Boy… 40 is useless tonight! Looking for my 366 QSO.
Mike
WM4B
#348


Re: Anybody on?

Fr Richard R
 

On 40 with a few signals and QSOs......


Fr Richard
WB8YXF
2328
VA



On Monday, November 13, 2017, 7:56:53 PM EST, Jerry n9avy@... [070] <070@...> wrote:


 

Not a signal to be heard on 40m... just a bunch of what sounds like power line noise. Made a couple long CQs  and no answer ..
 
jerry  n9avy



From: "'Mike Besemer' mwbesemer@... [070]" <070@...>
To: 070@...
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 6:50 PM
Subject: RE: [070] Anybody on?

 
I’ll be CQing in earnest .  I see some strong signals, but I can’t work them
 
Mike
WM4B 
 
From: 070@... [mailto:070@...]
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 7:49 PM
To: 070@...
Subject: Re: [070] Anybody on?
 
 
will be there in about 5 minutes around 0155Z

Jim K5SP
On 11/13/2017 6:45 PM, 'Mike Besemer' mwbesemer@... [070] wrote:
 
Boy… 40 is useless tonight! Looking for my 366 QSO.
Mike
WM4B
#348
 



Re: Anybody on?

Jerry N9AVY
 

Not a signal to be heard on 40m... just a bunch of what sounds like power line noise. Made a couple long CQs  and no answer ..
 
jerry  n9avy



From: "'Mike Besemer' mwbesemer@... [070]" <070@...>
To: 070@...
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 6:50 PM
Subject: RE: [070] Anybody on?

 
I’ll be CQing in earnest .  I see some strong signals, but I can’t work them
 
Mike
WM4B 
 
From: 070@... [mailto:070@...]
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 7:49 PM
To: 070@...
Subject: Re: [070] Anybody on?
 
 
will be there in about 5 minutes around 0155Z

Jim K5SP
On 11/13/2017 6:45 PM, 'Mike Besemer' mwbesemer@... [070] wrote:
 
Boy… 40 is useless tonight! Looking for my 366 QSO.
Mike
WM4B
#348
 



Re: Anybody on?

Mike Besemer <mwbesemer@...>
 

I’ll be CQing in earnest .  I see some strong signals, but I can’t work them

 

Mike

WM4B 

 

From: 070@... [mailto:070@...]
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 7:49 PM
To: 070@...
Subject: Re: [070] Anybody on?

 

 

will be there in about 5 minutes around 0155Z

Jim K5SP

On 11/13/2017 6:45 PM, 'Mike Besemer' mwbesemer@... [070] wrote:

 

Boy… 40 is useless tonight! Looking for my 366 QSO.

Mike

WM4B

#348

 


Re: Anybody on?

Jim K5SP
 

will be there in about 5 minutes around 0155Z

Jim K5SP

On 11/13/2017 6:45 PM, 'Mike Besemer' mwbesemer@... [070] wrote:
�

Boy� 40 is useless tonight! Looking for my 366 QSO.

Mike

WM4B

#348



Anybody on?

Mike Besemer <mwbesemer@...>
 

Boy… 40 is useless tonight! Looking for my 366 QSO.

Mike

WM4B

#348


Re: 2018 ARRL Grid Chase

Matthew King - AK4MK
 

Jerry - I can make that even easier for you.... give them 070club.com without all the http and www stuff. Nice and simple!

Good job!

73

Matt King
AK4MK - 070 #1708
PODXS 070 Club Executive Director


On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 5:07 PM, Jerry n9avy@... [070] <070@...> wrote:
 

Maybe some have already noticed that besides giving out my  070#  , I also give the PODXS  home page as it may encourage some to take a peek.  Been doing that for a few months now.
 
Jerry  n9avy



From: "Dan Morris dbmorris315@... [070]" <070@...>
To: 070 List Service 070 List Service <070@...>
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 3:58 PM
Subject: Re: [070] 2018 ARRL Grid Chase

 
I tend to agree with Jerry.  JT65 did its thing and I feel that FT8 will also and then pretty much be gone.  I love PSK31/63/125. Only do mostly 31 but I, as Jerry stated, probably work about the same as he does and that is if the person calls CQ, I answer and I just follow the flow.  If he wants to talk, I’ll talk and give as much info as he wants.  If not, then I’ll not provide any more info than I have to and keep it short.  If I’m calling CQ, it just depends on the mood I’m in while I’m working.  Generally I’ll give the usual 21 macros.  If the person at the other end doesn’t appear to have any numbers, then I give a very short basic info of name, sig report, QTH and done.  


Dan Morris  KZ3T

I live to live for Him!



On Nov 13, 2017, at 2:18 PM, Jerry n9avy@... [070] <070@...> wrote:

 

My predictions are seldom accurate, but maybe this one will come to pass.
 
I suspect that FT-8 will self-destruct in a year or two because many will tire of contacts with little information. People get into ham radio to meet other people and have some meaningful conversations.  FT-8 QSOs are just plain old "599 QSL 73" ones and people will tire of that.  Choices of operating frequencies were ill conceived and there will be a backlash because of it.
 
I also predict that ARRL may see a loss in membership as a result of just another year long stupid contest which probably won't generate the revenue they had hoped. I plan on being one of the statistics in loss of revenue.
 
 
Jerry  N9AVY



From: "Christopher J LaRue NO7E no7e@... [070]" <070@...>
To: 070 <070@...>
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 11:58 AM
Subject: [070] 2018 ARRL Grid Chase

 
Anyone else read the specifications on this?  FT8 is going to be
absolutely dominating every band when this mess starts.  It will be a
year long FT8 contest.

http://www.arrl.org/international-grid-chase-2018

I admit I like and use FT8 but I prefer to actually have a conversation
with other operators.  That is why I like PSK31, the problem is most of
the contacts are about as interesting lately as FT8.  Hello, my name is,
his/her name is the grid signal report and 73.  Sometimes you actually
get rig information and a little chat but that is getting rare even on
PSK31.

--
73 de Chris NO7E
no7e@...









Re: 2018 ARRL Grid Chase

Jerry N9AVY
 

Maybe some have already noticed that besides giving out my  070#  , I also give the PODXS  home page as it may encourage some to take a peek.  Been doing that for a few months now.
 
Jerry  n9avy



From: "Dan Morris dbmorris315@... [070]" <070@...>
To: 070 List Service 070 List Service <070@...>
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 3:58 PM
Subject: Re: [070] 2018 ARRL Grid Chase

 
I tend to agree with Jerry.  JT65 did its thing and I feel that FT8 will also and then pretty much be gone.  I love PSK31/63/125. Only do mostly 31 but I, as Jerry stated, probably work about the same as he does and that is if the person calls CQ, I answer and I just follow the flow.  If he wants to talk, I’ll talk and give as much info as he wants.  If not, then I’ll not provide any more info than I have to and keep it short.  If I’m calling CQ, it just depends on the mood I’m in while I’m working.  Generally I’ll give the usual 21 macros.  If the person at the other end doesn’t appear to have any numbers, then I give a very short basic info of name, sig report, QTH and done.  


Dan Morris  KZ3T

I live to live for Him!



On Nov 13, 2017, at 2:18 PM, Jerry n9avy@... [070] <070@...> wrote:

 

My predictions are seldom accurate, but maybe this one will come to pass.
 
I suspect that FT-8 will self-destruct in a year or two because many will tire of contacts with little information. People get into ham radio to meet other people and have some meaningful conversations.  FT-8 QSOs are just plain old "599 QSL 73" ones and people will tire of that.  Choices of operating frequencies were ill conceived and there will be a backlash because of it.
 
I also predict that ARRL may see a loss in membership as a result of just another year long stupid contest which probably won't generate the revenue they had hoped. I plan on being one of the statistics in loss of revenue.
 
 
Jerry  N9AVY



From: "Christopher J LaRue NO7E no7e@... [070]" <070@...>
To: 070 <070@...>
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 11:58 AM
Subject: [070] 2018 ARRL Grid Chase

 
Anyone else read the specifications on this?  FT8 is going to be
absolutely dominating every band when this mess starts.  It will be a
year long FT8 contest.

http://www.arrl.org/international-grid-chase-2018

I admit I like and use FT8 but I prefer to actually have a conversation
with other operators.  That is why I like PSK31, the problem is most of
the contacts are about as interesting lately as FT8.  Hello, my name is,
his/her name is the grid signal report and 73.  Sometimes you actually
get rig information and a little chat but that is getting rare even on
PSK31.

--
73 de Chris NO7E
no7e@...








Re: 2018 ARRL Grid Chase

Dan Morris - KZ3T
 

I tend to agree with Jerry.  JT65 did its thing and I feel that FT8 will also and then pretty much be gone.  I love PSK31/63/125. Only do mostly 31 but I, as Jerry stated, probably work about the same as he does and that is if the person calls CQ, I answer and I just follow the flow.  If he wants to talk, I’ll talk and give as much info as he wants.  If not, then I’ll not provide any more info than I have to and keep it short.  If I’m calling CQ, it just depends on the mood I’m in while I’m working.  Generally I’ll give the usual 21 macros.  If the person at the other end doesn’t appear to have any numbers, then I give a very short basic info of name, sig report, QTH and done.  


Dan Morris  KZ3T

I live to live for Him!



On Nov 13, 2017, at 2:18 PM, Jerry n9avy@... [070] <070@...> wrote:

 

My predictions are seldom accurate, but maybe this one will come to pass.
 
I suspect that FT-8 will self-destruct in a year or two because many will tire of contacts with little information. People get into ham radio to meet other people and have some meaningful conversations.  FT-8 QSOs are just plain old "599 QSL 73" ones and people will tire of that.  Choices of operating frequencies were ill conceived and there will be a backlash because of it.
 
I also predict that ARRL may see a loss in membership as a result of just another year long stupid contest which probably won't generate the revenue they had hoped. I plan on being one of the statistics in loss of revenue.
 
 
Jerry  N9AVY



From: "Christopher J LaRue NO7E no7e@... [070]" <070@...>
To: 070 <070@...>
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 11:58 AM
Subject: [070] 2018 ARRL Grid Chase

 
Anyone else read the specifications on this?  FT8 is going to be
absolutely dominating every band when this mess starts.  It will be a
year long FT8 contest.

http://www.arrl.org/international-grid-chase-2018

I admit I like and use FT8 but I prefer to actually have a conversation
with other operators.  That is why I like PSK31, the problem is most of
the contacts are about as interesting lately as FT8.  Hello, my name is,
his/her name is the grid signal report and 73.  Sometimes you actually
get rig information and a little chat but that is getting rare even on
PSK31.

--
73 de Chris NO7E
no7e@...






Re: 2018 ARRL Grid Chase

Jerry N9AVY
 

Maybe I should run spark gap and knock out comms from 1 kHz  to the GHz range ???    We could have a pool to see how long it takes the FCC to find me !   

Jerry  n9avy


From: "Steve P oldjavadrinker@... [070]" <070@...>
To: 070@...
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 2:38 PM
Subject: Re: [070] 2018 ARRL Grid Chase

 
I’ll show y’all. I’m getting a AL 1500 and run AM.

Steve 

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 13, 2017, at 15:25, w3hf@... [070] <070@...> wrote:

 
I don't think FT8 is a good contest mode. A good CW op can do 4 QSOs per minute during a contest; FT8 is about 90 seconds per QSO. Even RTTY is faster than FT8.

Yes, the other JT modes are very slow, something like 5 minutes per QSO. So FT8 is much faster than they are, and that's the comparison that's made. It's actually even slower than PSK31, but it may seem faster because the exchanges are rigorously defined and don't waste characters. On PSK31, we're "trapped" by inefficiently defined exchanges, everything from multiple repetitions of callsigns (even after calls are acknowledged on both sides) to extraneous non-information that takes time to repeat. (For examples, dig through the reflector archives to the discussions on efficient contest protocols. I won't repeat them here because it always becomes a "don't tell me how to format my transmissions" argument, and no one wins. I wonder how many of those folks are using JT modes where they CAN'T format their transmissions?)

Where FT8 will benefit is working the weak stations, caused by either propagation conditions or just some stations' physical limitations (like compromise antennas). There will always be someone somewhere who needs "weak signal" capabilities, and FT8 (and other JT modes) fit that bill.

Steve
W3HF



Re: 2018 ARRL Grid Chase

Jerry N9AVY
 

I generally try to use short macros and keep QSOs as short as the guy  on other end wants, but if he wants to have a longer conversation I'm up for that.   I've used PSK31  to welcome new operators and to encourage them... teach where I can.  If a station doesn't want to chat, that's okay.
 
Frankly I get tired of short macro-macro QSOs and need something else.  It's nice to find someone with common interests.  I've made a lot of good friends over the past 40 years doing that.  Perhaps the social media is responsible for the lack of the art of conversation ?  Maybe hams are now just boring geeks ?   There were days when I'd turn of a couple hams talking and they'd go on for hours and it was free entertainment while working on projects in the shack. 
 
Jerry  n9avy



From: "Bryon nnegrom@... [070]" <070@...>
To: "070@..." <070@...>
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: [070] 2018 ARRL Grid Chase

 
Jerry, I don't agree. I do not think all operators are interested in conversations. I'm one of them. I love FT8 because they are short. I think RTTY is typically short as well and I don't see that one going away. I also did JT-65 for a while. I tired of that, not because of the short communication, but because the length of time one took. Now, with FT-8 that problem has been resolved. I find it frustrating when I'm calling CQ and I send a short PSK31 QSO and I get back minutes and minutes of station data, weather data, antenna, etc. I have multiple macros, and I try to respect those sending. So if I answer a CQ being sent out, I will respond with more. But, not so much to draw out a long QSO and for what? Information that I don't need to know, and isn't a personal conversation. I've even broken out of the macros and had discussions when I see something interesting in the call or from QRZ data. FT-8 has been super fun and in a time where noise and signals are week, I've gotten more ATNO with FT-8 in the last 6 months than I have with PSK31. I love PSK31. I love this club. I love the endorsement checker. I would love to have something like that with every mode I do. 

Bryon, W7RIV

On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 12:18 PM, Jerry n9avy@... [070] <070@...> wrote:
 
My predictions are seldom accurate, but maybe this one will come to pass.
 
I suspect that FT-8 will self-destruct in a year or two because many will tire of contacts with little information. People get into ham radio to meet other people and have some meaningful conversations.  FT-8 QSOs are just plain old "599 QSL 73" ones and people will tire of that.  Choices of operating frequencies were ill conceived and there will be a backlash because of it.
 
I also predict that ARRL may see a loss in membership as a result of just another year long stupid contest which probably won't generate the revenue they had hoped. I plan on being one of the statistics in loss of revenue.
 
 
Jerry  N9AVY



From: "Christopher J LaRue NO7E no7e@... [070]" <070@...>
To: 070 <070@...>
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 11:58 AM
Subject: [070] 2018 ARRL Grid Chase

 
Anyone else read the specifications on this?  FT8 is going to be
absolutely dominating every band when this mess starts.  It will be a
year long FT8 contest.

http://www.arrl.org/ international-grid-chase-2018

I admit I like and use FT8 but I prefer to actually have a conversation
with other operators.  That is why I like PSK31, the problem is most of
the contacts are about as interesting lately as FT8.  Hello, my name is,
his/her name is the grid signal report and 73.  Sometimes you actually
get rig information and a little chat but that is getting rare even on
PSK31.

--
73 de Chris NO7E
no7e@...







Re: 2018 ARRL Grid Chase

Steve VA3FLF/KM4FLF
 

I’ll show y’all. I’m getting a AL 1500 and run AM.

Steve 

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 13, 2017, at 15:25, w3hf@... [070] <070@...> wrote:

 

I don't think FT8 is a good contest mode. A good CW op can do 4 QSOs per minute during a contest; FT8 is about 90 seconds per QSO. Even RTTY is faster than FT8.


Yes, the other JT modes are very slow, something like 5 minutes per QSO. So FT8 is much faster than they are, and that's the comparison that's made. It's actually even slower than PSK31, but it may seem faster because the exchanges are rigorously defined and don't waste characters. On PSK31, we're "trapped" by inefficiently defined exchanges, everything from multiple repetitions of callsigns (even after calls are acknowledged on both sides) to extraneous non-information that takes time to repeat. (For examples, dig through the reflector archives to the discussions on efficient contest protocols. I won't repeat them here because it always becomes a "don't tell me how to format my transmissions" argument, and no one wins. I wonder how many of those folks are using JT modes where they CAN'T format their transmissions?)


Where FT8 will benefit is working the weak stations, caused by either propagation conditions or just some stations' physical limitations (like compromise antennas). There will always be someone somewhere who needs "weak signal" capabilities, and FT8 (and other JT modes) fit that bill.


Steve

W3HF


Re: Contest Scorer

ljl2002@att.net
 

Hey Barry,

Were you running QRP again or are you guys up north on the outs with ol' sol?
Kinda tough goin, eh?  Same here.

Joe
KA1PPV  #1482


On Monday, November 13, 2017 1:18 PM, "boat.anchor@... [070]" <070@...> wrote:


 
Matt
TVM for update.
My log shud B the 1st to pop up as it is currently the smallest hi hi
Barry



---In 070@..., wrote :

Yessir, there's a problem with it, Barry.

David is aware of it and is hoping to get it squared away in the next day or two. He'll re-run all the existing logs at that time, so keep and eye on it to see your score magically appear!

Be good up there in sunny Canada! :-)

73

Matt King
AK4MK - 070 #1708
PODXS 070 Club Executive Director


On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 1:00 PM, boat.anchor@... [070] <070@...> wrote:
 
Is there something wrong with the scorer.
No points have been assigned.
Barry
VB7150





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