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Re: 17m PSK31

Mike Besemer <mwbesemer@...>
 

He picked the anchor frequencies – or at least coded them into the software.

Moving down to the PSK bands won’t go well for them.

Mike
WM4B

From: 070@yahoogroups.com [mailto:070@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 6:42 PM
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31


I didn’t want to open up that can or worms but since it has been cracked.....so I follow the WSJTX yahoo group. There was a thread today about needing to expand the FT8 band because it’s so crowded. One suggestion is to expand into PSK band.

I know there is no legal binding in the band plan, but how did we end up with the current agreements and frequencies? Is there no protocol to establish agreements? ARRL help? I have the greatest respect for Dr Joe Taylor but how is it that someone can write a program / mode and decide this is the frequency of the mode without coordinating or asking ? Or did he? Just trying to understand how we got here.

Steve
VA3FLF
KM4FLF
2301
Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 8, 2017, at 17:02, kc3ef1@gmail.com [070] <070@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Well fellows, this seems to be a problem on many bands now. The FT8 group seems to have chosen frequencies without regard for other users and since it seems to be the hot thing now FT8 users are blanketing those areas. The EU window for Hellschriber uses was 14074 and a couple of weeks ago, I got an email from one of the authors of the article in QST tell me that I should change frequencies since that is now the FT8 frequency. A lot of other digital mode users have reported the same problem with FT8 users invading their normal frequencies. From what I understand, originally the FT8 frequencies would be 2 khz higher that JT65, which would have not caused problems for most other users of the less common digital modes, but somewhere along the line that has changed. The frequencies are included in the software so that’s where the gang has setup. Since the article was published last month it will probably be worse before it gets better.

I personally don’t use the mode, although I tried it when it first came out and basically decided that is more my computer talking to your computer rather than ham radio. Any ways my thougths.

73
Dick
KC3EF

From: 070@yahoogroups.com [mailto:070@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 4:49 PM
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [070] 17m PSK31


Yep.

Mike
WM4B

From: 070@yahoogroups.com [mailto:070@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 4:42 PM
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31

So whose fault was it those FT8 stations are all on 18.000 ... thought I read somewhere that it was the designer ???

Jerry n9avy

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Re: 17m PSK31

Mike Besemer <mwbesemer@...>
 

If I’d have received an email like that, I’d have politely (maybe) reminded the individual that the frequency had previously been occupied by another mode and that they didn’t get to decide what the band plan was all by themselves.

I’m all for everyone getting along and nobody ‘owning’ a frequency, but when they were told (and they have been) that they had chosen anchor frequencies that were already spoken for by gentleman’s agreement, they should have moved their anchors. The fact that they did not makes me think far less of the developer than I might have otherwise.

I tried FT8 for a hot 15 minutes, got bored, and uninstalled the software. I don't see the attraction.

Mike
WM4B

From: 070@yahoogroups.com [mailto:070@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 5:02 PM
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [070] 17m PSK31


Well fellows, this seems to be a problem on many bands now. The FT8 group seems to have chosen frequencies without regard for other users and since it seems to be the hot thing now FT8 users are blanketing those areas. The EU window for Hellschriber uses was 14074 and a couple of weeks ago, I got an email from one of the authors of the article in QST tell me that I should change frequencies since that is now the FT8 frequency. A lot of other digital mode users have reported the same problem with FT8 users invading their normal frequencies. From what I understand, originally the FT8 frequencies would be 2 khz higher that JT65, which would have not caused problems for most other users of the less common digital modes, but somewhere along the line that has changed. The frequencies are included in the software so that’s where the gang has setup. Since the article was published last month it will probably be worse before it gets better.

I personally don’t use the mode, although I tried it when it first came out and basically decided that is more my computer talking to your computer rather than ham radio. Any ways my thougths.

73
Dick
KC3EF

From: 070@yahoogroups.com [mailto:070@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 4:49 PM
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [070] 17m PSK31


Yep.

Mike
WM4B

From: 070@yahoogroups.com [mailto:070@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 4:42 PM
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31

So whose fault was it those FT8 stations are all on 18.000 ... thought I read somewhere that it was the designer ???

Jerry n9avy

___


Re: 17m PSK31

Steve VA3FLF/KM4FLF
 

I didn’t want to open up  that can or worms but since it has been cracked.....so I follow the WSJTX yahoo group. There was a thread today about needing to expand the FT8 band because it’s so crowded. One suggestion is to expand into PSK band.

I know there is no legal binding in the band plan, but how did we end up with the current agreements and frequencies? Is there no protocol to establish agreements? ARRL help? I have the greatest respect for Dr Joe Taylor but how is it that someone can write a program / mode and decide this is the frequency of the mode without coordinating or asking ? Or did he?  Just trying to understand how we got here.

Steve
VA3FLF
KM4FLF
2301

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 8, 2017, at 17:02, kc3ef1@... [070] <070@...> wrote:

 

Well fellows, this seems to be a problem on many bands now.  The FT8 group seems to have chosen frequencies without regard for other users and since it seems to be the hot thing now FT8 users are blanketing those areas.  The EU window for Hellschriber uses was 14074 and a couple of weeks ago, I got an email from one of the authors of the article in QST tell me that I should change frequencies since that is now the FT8 frequency.   A lot of other digital mode users have reported the same problem with FT8 users invading their normal frequencies.  From what I understand, originally the FT8 frequencies would be 2 khz higher that JT65, which would have not caused problems for most other users of the less common digital modes, but somewhere along the line that has changed.  The frequencies are included in the software so that’s where the gang has setup.  Since the article was published last month it will probably be worse before it gets better. 

 

I personally don’t use the mode, although I tried it when it first came out and basically decided that is more my computer talking to your computer rather than ham radio.  Any ways my thougths.

 

73

Dick

KC3EF

 

From: 070@... [mailto:070@...]
Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 4:49 PM
To: 070@...
Subject: RE: [070] 17m PSK31

 

 

Yep.

Mike
WM4B

From: 070@... [mailto:070@...]
Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 4:42 PM
To: 070@...
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31

So whose fault was it those FT8 stations are all on 18.000 ... thought I read somewhere that it was the designer ???

Jerry n9avy

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Re: Contest Certificates and other things

Jerry N9AVY
 

As they say , "stuff happens" !

Sent from my iPhone

On 8 Oct 2017, at 16:04, "Matthew King mrk.twg@gmail.com [070]" <070@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Contest Certificates and other things

Matthew King - AK4MK
 

I've begun to work on the contest certificates for 2017 today.  So there's that, and I think it's good news.

Now for the shocking thing (at least to me)..... I just found a stack of *2015* certificates sitting here at my house!  I was stunned to say the least, as I thought they'd been mailed out, well, nearly two years ago!

I can also find zero evidence that I ever sent out 2016 contest certificates......  

I know people really like to receive their contest awards so I offer my most sincere apologies for having dropped the ball on these certificates! 

~hanging head in shame~

What this means is that there will be quite a wad of contest certificates leaving 070 Central HQ in the next few weeks.  

There are also quite a few special parchment ABCD certificates going out, for both last year and year to date 2017. These are the "Above and Beyond the Call of Duty" certificates that go out to people for significant contributions to the club. A "significant contribution" is $25 or more.

I know all of you want one of these uncommon certificates in your shack, so please go to the HOW TO DONATE page and make your significant contributions today!  I even made it easy for ya - the "HOW TO DONATE" in the prior sentence is a hot link to the donation page.... :-)

Please keep in mind that we live solely on the generous donations of our members, as there are no dues for the 070 Club, and we plan on keeping it that way.  PLEASE DONATE TODAY!

Thanks to each and every one of you for your participation in the club - all the work the  070 staff does is just for you!

73

Matt King
AK4MK - 070 #1708
PODXS 070 Club Executive Director






Re: 17m PSK31

Richard Rohrer
 

Well fellows, this seems to be a problem on many bands now.  The FT8 group seems to have chosen frequencies without regard for other users and since it seems to be the hot thing now FT8 users are blanketing those areas.  The EU window for Hellschriber uses was 14074 and a couple of weeks ago, I got an email from one of the authors of the article in QST tell me that I should change frequencies since that is now the FT8 frequency.   A lot of other digital mode users have reported the same problem with FT8 users invading their normal frequencies.  From what I understand, originally the FT8 frequencies would be 2 khz higher that JT65, which would have not caused problems for most other users of the less common digital modes, but somewhere along the line that has changed.  The frequencies are included in the software so that’s where the gang has setup.  Since the article was published last month it will probably be worse before it gets better. 

 

I personally don’t use the mode, although I tried it when it first came out and basically decided that is more my computer talking to your computer rather than ham radio.  Any ways my thougths.

 

73

Dick

KC3EF

 

From: 070@... [mailto:070@...]
Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 4:49 PM
To: 070@...
Subject: RE: [070] 17m PSK31

 

 

Yep.

Mike
WM4B

From: 070@... [mailto:070@...]
Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 4:42 PM
To: 070@...
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31

So whose fault was it those FT8 stations are all on 18.000 ... thought I read somewhere that it was the designer ???

Jerry n9avy

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Re: 17m PSK31

Charles Odom <ki4vmk@...>
 

I tried FT8, didn't like it. The frequency programmed into software for 17 meters is 18.100, go figure??

KI4VMK
2542

On Oct 8, 2017, at 3:48 PM, "'Mike Besemer' mwbesemer@... [070]" <070@...> wrote:
 

Yep.

Mike
WM4B

From: 070@... [mailto:070@...]
Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 4:42 PM
To: 070@...
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31

So whose fault was it those FT8 stations are all on 18.000 ... thought I read somewhere that it was the designer ???

Jerry n9avy

___


Re: 17m PSK31

Mike Besemer <mwbesemer@...>
 

Yep.

Mike
WM4B

From: 070@yahoogroups.com [mailto:070@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 4:42 PM
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31

So whose fault was it those FT8 stations are all on 18.000 ... thought I read somewhere that it was the designer ???

Jerry n9avy

___


Re: 17m PSK31

Jerry N9AVY
 

Or just run RTTY CQ on 18.100 .  That frequency is usually inhabited by RTTY when band is open.  So whose fault was it those FT8 stations are all on 18.000  ... thought I read somewhere that it was the designer ???
 
Jerry  n9avy



From: "Matthew King mrk.twg@... [070]" <070@...>
To: 070@...
Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 3:27 PM
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31

 
My suggestion is to CQ right +1500 up from the 17m frequency as they "invaded" a known frequency.  We'll just have to learn to coexist.

73

Matt King
AK4MK - 070 #1708
PODXS 070 Club Executive Director



On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 1:13 PM, Jerry n9avy@... [070] <070@...> wrote:
 
Wondering what has happened to 17m PSK31 now that it's been infested with FT-8 signals ???  Have PSK31  found a new spot on 17m  or is there something we can spray on our antennas  to rid us  of FT8 ???   :-)
 
 
 Jerry  N9AVY




Re: 17m PSK31

Steve VA3FLF/KM4FLF
 

Love it. Since I have a Cobweb Antenna let’s be careful with the spray. I don’t want to kill mine.

Steve 
VA3FLF
2301

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 8, 2017, at 13:13, Jerry n9avy@... [070] <070@...> wrote:

 

Wondering what has happened to 17m PSK31 now that it's been infested with FT-8 signals ???  Have PSK31  found a new spot on 17m  or is there something we can spray on our antennas  to rid us  of FT8 ???   :-)
 
 
 Jerry  N9AVY


Re: 17m PSK31

Matthew King - AK4MK
 

My suggestion is to CQ right +1500 up from the 17m frequency as they "invaded" a known frequency.  We'll just have to learn to coexist.

73

Matt King
AK4MK - 070 #1708
PODXS 070 Club Executive Director



On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 1:13 PM, Jerry n9avy@... [070] <070@...> wrote:
 

Wondering what has happened to 17m PSK31 now that it's been infested with FT-8 signals ???  Have PSK31  found a new spot on 17m  or is there something we can spray on our antennas  to rid us  of FT8 ???   :-)
 
 
 Jerry  N9AVY



17m PSK31

Jerry N9AVY
 

Wondering what has happened to 17m PSK31 now that it's been infested with FT-8 signals ???  Have PSK31  found a new spot on 17m  or is there something we can spray on our antennas  to rid us  of FT8 ???   :-)
 
 
 Jerry  N9AVY


Re: 15m Open to EU

stan W9SMR
 


Found IW2 and 7X3WPL, Algeria,  Sahara DX Radio Club (Driss, 7X3DL Op.)  Strong into IN
 See M0WAY calling now.
Go get 'em,

73,
Stan
W9SMR/9



From: 070@... <070@...> on behalf of stan robinson robinstan@... [070] <070@...>
Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 11:20 AM
To: 070@...
Subject: Re: [070] 15m Open to EU
 


Open again Sunday. Worked SP7 and F4 so far. Heard SV7 but QSB bad.


Call CQ...it's like a box of Chocolates!


73,

Stan

W9SMR/9

#1611




From: 070@... <070@...> on behalf of stan robinson robinstan@... [070] <070@...>
Sent: Saturday, October 7, 2017 12:00 PM
To: 070@...
Subject: [070] 15m Open to EU
 


Worked ON3, F4, DF9,HB9, IZ7 with good reports from NE Indiana.


20m full of Russian PSK-63, 17m full of FT8. Check out 15m.


73,

Stan

W9SMR/9

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Re: 15m Open to EU

stan W9SMR
 

Open again Sunday. Worked SP7 and F4 so far. Heard SV7 but QSB bad.


Call CQ...it's like a box of Chocolates!


73,

Stan

W9SMR/9

#1611




From: 070@... <070@...> on behalf of stan robinson robinstan@... [070] <070@...>
Sent: Saturday, October 7, 2017 12:00 PM
To: 070@...
Subject: [070] 15m Open to EU
 


Worked ON3, F4, DF9,HB9, IZ7 with good reports from NE Indiana.


20m full of Russian PSK-63, 17m full of FT8. Check out 15m.


73,

Stan

W9SMR/9

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160 tonight

Randy True
 

Managed to grab 4, K3SXA, W3WMU, K4ARE, and N2MLP. All on a 1/2 wave 160 dipole about 25' off the ground.


Randy W4RTT



Re: Another go at 160m tonight

Rick - N7WE
 

Boy - it is not my night!  First, Bill is N4GBK - not N4MBK.  And W3WMU is Jeff - not Stan.  My apologies to you both.  And I have not had a drop to drink so I can't even blame that...hi hi.  

Think I'll got QRT if I can figure out how to shut down!

Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602  (I think) 


Re: need a contact for 365+1

Paul Milward <nu4c@...>
 

No contact with N4MBK but got KD9IWL on 20 and for insurance got KC1BOS on 40. I will be on late morning/early afternoon tomorrow and will post to checker later in the day.
73
Paul nu4c



From: "n7we1980@... [070]" <070@...>
To: 070@...
Sent: Saturday, October 7, 2017 8:23 PM
Subject: [070] Re: need a contact for 365+1

 
Paul-

I saw N4MBK working you, but couldn't see your trace.  Did you get enough with Bill to fill the QSO?  If so congrats!  And official congrats will follow when you post to the endorsement checker!

Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602



Re: need a contact for 365+1

Bill Garwood
 

He faded out .. I see him working KC1BOS so I think he made it!

 

Bill N4GBK

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: n7we1980@... [070]
Sent: Saturday, October 7, 2017 8:23 PM
To: 070@...
Subject: [070] Re: need a contact for 365+1

 

 

Paul-

 

I saw N4MBK working you, but couldn't see your trace.  Did you get enough with Bill to fill the QSO?  If so congrats!  And official congrats will follow when you post to the endorsement checker!

 

Rick - N7WE

070 - #1602

 


Re: Another go at 160m tonight

Rick - N7WE
 

I'm in the midst of heavy thunderstorms and the band is in and out among static crashes.  Did see W4RTT - Randy but lost him before we could complete.  Worked N2MPL - Thanks Brian!  And saw W3WMU - Stan call me but he was gone before we could exchange.  Many thanks to all who looked and all who called.

I'll take the antenna down in the morning and put it up again next Saturday afternoon for the contest.  I sure hope condx are better!

Thanks again to all,

Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602 


Re: need a contact for 365+1

Rick - N7WE
 

Paul-

I saw N4MBK working you, but couldn't see your trace.  Did you get enough with Bill to fill the QSO?  If so congrats!  And official congrats will follow when you post to the endorsement checker!

Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602

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