He picked the anchor frequencies – or at least coded them into the software.

Moving down to the PSK bands won’t go well for them.

Mike
WM4B

From: 070@yahoogroups.com [mailto:070@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 6:42 PM
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31


I didn’t want to open up that can or worms but since it has been cracked.....so I follow the WSJTX yahoo group. There was a thread today about needing to expand the FT8 band because it’s so crowded. One suggestion is to expand into PSK band.

I know there is no legal binding in the band plan, but how did we end up with the current agreements and frequencies? Is there no protocol to establish agreements? ARRL help? I have the greatest respect for Dr Joe Taylor but how is it that someone can write a program / mode and decide this is the frequency of the mode without coordinating or asking ? Or did he? Just trying to understand how we got here.

Steve
VA3FLF
KM4FLF
2301
Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 8, 2017, at 17:02, kc3ef1@gmail.com [070] <070@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Well fellows, this seems to be a problem on many bands now. The FT8 group seems to have chosen frequencies without regard for other users and since it seems to be the hot thing now FT8 users are blanketing those areas. The EU window for Hellschriber uses was 14074 and a couple of weeks ago, I got an email from one of the authors of the article in QST tell me that I should change frequencies since that is now the FT8 frequency. A lot of other digital mode users have reported the same problem with FT8 users invading their normal frequencies. From what I understand, originally the FT8 frequencies would be 2 khz higher that JT65, which would have not caused problems for most other users of the less common digital modes, but somewhere along the line that has changed. The frequencies are included in the software so that’s where the gang has setup. Since the article was published last month it will probably be worse before it gets better.

I personally don’t use the mode, although I tried it when it first came out and basically decided that is more my computer talking to your computer rather than ham radio. Any ways my thougths.

73
Dick
KC3EF

From: 070@yahoogroups.com [mailto:070@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 4:49 PM
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [070] 17m PSK31


Yep.

Mike
WM4B

From: 070@yahoogroups.com [mailto:070@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 4:42 PM
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31

So whose fault was it those FT8 stations are all on 18.000 ... thought I read somewhere that it was the designer ???

Jerry n9avy

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If I’d have received an email like that, I’d have politely (maybe) reminded the individual that the frequency had previously been occupied by another mode and that they didn’t get to decide what the band plan was all by themselves.

I’m all for everyone getting along and nobody ‘owning’ a frequency, but when they were told (and they have been) that they had chosen anchor frequencies that were already spoken for by gentleman’s agreement, they should have moved their anchors. The fact that they did not makes me think far less of the developer than I might have otherwise.

I tried FT8 for a hot 15 minutes, got bored, and uninstalled the software. I don't see the attraction.

Mike
WM4B

From: 070@yahoogroups.com [mailto:070@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 5:02 PM
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [070] 17m PSK31


Well fellows, this seems to be a problem on many bands now. The FT8 group seems to have chosen frequencies without regard for other users and since it seems to be the hot thing now FT8 users are blanketing those areas. The EU window for Hellschriber uses was 14074 and a couple of weeks ago, I got an email from one of the authors of the article in QST tell me that I should change frequencies since that is now the FT8 frequency. A lot of other digital mode users have reported the same problem with FT8 users invading their normal frequencies. From what I understand, originally the FT8 frequencies would be 2 khz higher that JT65, which would have not caused problems for most other users of the less common digital modes, but somewhere along the line that has changed. The frequencies are included in the software so that’s where the gang has setup. Since the article was published last month it will probably be worse before it gets better.

I personally don’t use the mode, although I tried it when it first came out and basically decided that is more my computer talking to your computer rather than ham radio. Any ways my thougths.

73
Dick
KC3EF

From: 070@yahoogroups.com [mailto:070@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 4:49 PM
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [070] 17m PSK31


Yep.

Mike
WM4B

From: 070@yahoogroups.com [mailto:070@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 4:42 PM
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31

So whose fault was it those FT8 stations are all on 18.000 ... thought I read somewhere that it was the designer ???

Jerry n9avy

___

I didn’t want to open up  that can or worms but since it has been cracked.....so I follow the WSJTX yahoo group. There was a thread today about needing to expand the FT8 band because it’s so crowded. One suggestion is to expand into PSK band.

As they say , "stuff happens" !

Sent from my iPhone

Yep.

Mike
WM4B

From: 070@yahoogroups.com [mailto:070@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 4:42 PM
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31

So whose fault was it those FT8 stations are all on 18.000 ... thought I read somewhere that it was the designer ???

Jerry n9avy

___

Love it. Since I have a Cobweb Antenna let’s be careful with the spray. I don’t want to kill mine.

Boy - it is not my night!  First, Bill is N4GBK - not N4MBK.  And W3WMU is Jeff - not Stan.  My apologies to you both.  And I have not had a drop to drink so I can't even blame that...hi hi.  

I'm in the midst of heavy thunderstorms and the band is in and out among static crashes.  Did see W4RTT - Randy but lost him before we could complete.  Worked N2MPL - Thanks Brian!  And saw W3WMU - Stan call me but he was gone before we could exchange.  Many thanks to all who looked and all who called.

Paul-