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Re: 17m PSK31
When tuned to .097 does anyone else have a blob at 1700, or just local qrn?
Randy W4RTT
From: 070@... <070@...> on behalf of Jerry n9avy@... [070] <070@...>
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 2:25 PM To: 070@... Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31 Sounds like an idea !
Jerry n9avy
From: "Peter Hiltz pmhiltz@... [070]" <070@...> To: 070@... Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 12:53 PM Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31 All,
Having noticed the same thing on the bands I'd like to propose we shift down in frequency, as a group, and let our shift of numbers pull a new standard. Folks will find us and move so as to make contacts.
We can approach this two ways:
a. I've noticed that most signals are not at the bandplan frequencies, but instead up 1.5 KHz. That is, we're setting our radios to the bandplan frequency which, at least in fldigi, puts you up 1.5 KHz. If we all subtract 1.5KHz we would be using the
actual correct frequency, that is, centered at the bandplan frequency and ranging up or down a bit.
b. We agree as a group to shift down 2 KHz. That will have the same effect with less confusion, assuming subtracting 1.5 KHz is confusing to some.
If we get the PODs folks to move, others will follow. We can set a new standard ourselves, which might be easier than convincing the ARRL to update their bandplan.
I'm going to sit on 18.098 MHz on my dial, which puts fldigi looking at 18.0995 MHz. It looks clear there, and around it.
Pete
WV3S
On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 1:16 PM,
tom@... [070] <070@...> wrote:
WV3S
Monitoring 146.52 MHz & the CCARC UHF Repeater
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Re: 17m PSK31
Peter Hiltz
I've moved to 18.097. Pete
On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 2:31 PM, Jerry n9avy@... [070] <070@...> wrote:
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WV3S Monitoring 146.52 MHz & the CCARC UHF Repeater
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Re: 17m PSK31
Moved down to 18.098 and it's definitely quieter, buy there are still FT8 signals at very top of waterfall. A move to 18.097 might be a better choice. Jerry N9AVY
From: "Jerry n9avy@... [070]" <070@...> To: "070@..." <070@...> Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 1:27 PM Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31 Sounds like an idea ! Jerry n9avy From: "Peter Hiltz pmhiltz@... [070]" <070@...> To: 070@... Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 12:53 PM Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31 All, Having noticed the same thing on the bands I'd like to propose we shift down in frequency, as a group, and let our shift of numbers pull a new standard. Folks will find us and move so as to make contacts. We can approach this two ways: a. I've noticed that most signals are not at the bandplan frequencies, but instead up 1.5 KHz. That is, we're setting our radios to the bandplan frequency which, at least in fldigi, puts you up 1.5 KHz. If we all subtract 1.5KHz we would be using the actual correct frequency, that is, centered at the bandplan frequency and ranging up or down a bit. b. We agree as a group to shift down 2 KHz. That will have the same effect with less confusion, assuming subtracting 1.5 KHz is confusing to some. If we get the PODs folks to move, others will follow. We can set a new standard ourselves, which might be easier than convincing the ARRL to update their bandplan. I'm going to sit on 18.098 MHz on my dial, which puts fldigi looking at 18.0995 MHz. It looks clear there, and around it. Pete WV3S On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 1:16 PM, tom@... [070] <070@...> wrote:
WV3S Monitoring 146.52 MHz & the CCARC UHF Repeater
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Re: 17m PSK31
Sounds like an idea ! Jerry n9avy
From: "Peter Hiltz pmhiltz@... [070]" <070@...> To: 070@... Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 12:53 PM Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31 All, Having noticed the same thing on the bands I'd like to propose we shift down in frequency, as a group, and let our shift of numbers pull a new standard. Folks will find us and move so as to make contacts. We can approach this two ways: a. I've noticed that most signals are not at the bandplan frequencies, but instead up 1.5 KHz. That is, we're setting our radios to the bandplan frequency which, at least in fldigi, puts you up 1.5 KHz. If we all subtract 1.5KHz we would be using the actual correct frequency, that is, centered at the bandplan frequency and ranging up or down a bit. b. We agree as a group to shift down 2 KHz. That will have the same effect with less confusion, assuming subtracting 1.5 KHz is confusing to some. If we get the PODs folks to move, others will follow. We can set a new standard ourselves, which might be easier than convincing the ARRL to update their bandplan. I'm going to sit on 18.098 MHz on my dial, which puts fldigi looking at 18.0995 MHz. It looks clear there, and around it. Pete WV3S On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 1:16 PM, tom@... [070] <070@...> wrote:
WV3S Monitoring 146.52 MHz & the CCARC UHF Repeater
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Re: 17m PSK31
Peter Hiltz
All, Having noticed the same thing on the bands I'd like to propose we shift down in frequency, as a group, and let our shift of numbers pull a new standard. Folks will find us and move so as to make contacts. We can approach this two ways: a. I've noticed that most signals are not at the bandplan frequencies, but instead up 1.5 KHz. That is, we're setting our radios to the bandplan frequency which, at least in fldigi, puts you up 1.5 KHz. If we all subtract 1.5KHz we would be using the actual correct frequency, that is, centered at the bandplan frequency and ranging up or down a bit. b. We agree as a group to shift down 2 KHz. That will have the same effect with less confusion, assuming subtracting 1.5 KHz is confusing to some. If we get the PODs folks to move, others will follow. We can set a new standard ourselves, which might be easier than convincing the ARRL to update their bandplan. I'm going to sit on 18.098 MHz on my dial, which puts fldigi looking at 18.0995 MHz. It looks clear there, and around it. Pete WV3S
On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 1:16 PM, tom@... [070] <070@...> wrote:
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Re: 17m PSK31
tom@...
As someone who does both, the FT8 default frequencies are programmed in WSJT-X application (which is still in the release candidate 2 stage for FT8). The best chance is to get them to change the frequency they use on when the release version (or RC3) comes out by complaining on the group.
This isn't the only band/mode that has a conflict, I don't FT8 also runs into Olivia on 20 meters. If your hoping FT8 goes away, I seriously doubt it anytime soon. It has absolutely dominated every other digital mode for use since it came out. Even JT65/JT9 modes are pretty dead now, especially JT9. 73, Tom KN6Q ---In 070@..., <rickocr2005@...> wrote : I know I am late to the party, but trying on 17m now..... Fr Richard WB8YXF On Monday, October 9, 2017, 11:46:24 AM EDT, 'Steve Case' artcase@... [070] <070@...> wrote: I was there too for the last half hour, CQ'd saw nothing but FT8 sigs. I agree use it or lose it. Steve WA7ETE PNW #872 From: "randy true w4rttrandy@... [070]" <070@...> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2017 8:41 AM To: "070@..." <070@...> Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31
Nope, just 20 FT8 signals.
Randy W4RTT From: 070@... <070@...> on behalf of 'Mike Besemer' mwbesemer@... [070] <070@...> Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 11:11 AM To: 070@... Subject: RE: [070] 17m PSK31
Not seeing you. Can you see me?
Mike WM4B
From: 070@... [mailto:070@...]
I'm also there
Randy W4RTT
From: 070@... <070@...> on behalf of 'Mike Besemer' mwbesemer@... [070] <070@...>
CQing there now. The FT8 stations moved away from where I’m at.
Mike WM4B
From: 070@... [mailto:070@...]
I just got into the digi modes a couple years ago, and I settled on PSK31 and have loved it. I did notice that whenever I went up to 17 and called there was seldom anyone around. I have made just a hand full of contacts on 17. I do work FT8 and have mad many contacts on 17. But I try to keep above .100 because it is "our" freq. I think it was mostly, "hey these guys aren't using it, so lets us use it" As the old saying says, if you don't use it you will lose it.
Randy W4RTT
From: 070@... <070@...> on behalf of Jerry n9avy@... [070] <070@...>
Probably not, but "venting" feels good. I am hesitant to join another group after cleaning out several groups people urged me to join. There were days I'd wake up and have way too many emails to answer; so, I purged many email accounts that held little interest. Just don't want to start down that road again.
I'm hoping that once the FT8 people tire of the mode, they'll just go away.
Jerry n9avy
From: "n7we1980@... [070]" <070@...>
I too feel the frustration with FT-8 "taking over" what had been "our" segment of 17m. But I doubt posting our concerns here will do much to change that. May I suggest those of us who feel this is an inappropriate encroachment on the gentlemen's agreement join the WSJT Meteor Scatter and Weak Signal Group https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/wsjtgroup/infoand voice our complaints there?
The group's conversations make for interesting reading - particularly the current thread of Expanding the Watering Hole. Have no doubt - they are coming soon to a frequency we all love and use. Time to make our voice heard!
Rick - N7WE 070 - #1602
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Re: 17M Now
yep, no signals so I’ve moved to 10M but it is awful quiet also!!! But calling
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Re: 17M Now
I am there calling CQ but don't see anyone else...... Fr Richard WB8YXF
On Monday, October 9, 2017, 12:55:11 PM EDT, randy true w4rttrandy@... [070] <070@...> wrote:
Not seeing anything here.
Randy W4RTT From: 070@... <070@...> on behalf of Dan Morris dbmorris315@... [070] <070@...>
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 12:50 PM To: 070 List Service 070 List Service Subject: Re: [070] 17M Now I’m at 18.100 plus 800 and don’t see anything but calling also.
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Re: 17M Now
Not seeing anything here.
Randy W4RTT
From: 070@... <070@...> on behalf of Dan Morris dbmorris315@... [070] <070@...>
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 12:50 PM To: 070 List Service 070 List Service Subject: Re: [070] 17M Now I’m at 18.100 plus 800 and don’t see anything but calling also.
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Re: 17M Now
I’m at 18.100 plus 800 and don’t see anything but calling also.
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I'm calling at 800 now.
Randy W4RTT
From: 070@... <070@...> on behalf of Dan Morris dbmorris315@... [070] <070@...>
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 12:44 PM To: 070 List Service 070 List Service Subject: [070] 17M Now Calling CQ on 17M now at 1645Z
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17M Now
Calling CQ on 17M now at 1645Z
Dan Morris KZ3T 070-1065 dbmorris315@gmail.com I live to live for Him!
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Re: 17m PSK31
I know I am late to the party, but trying on 17m now..... Fr Richard WB8YXF
On Monday, October 9, 2017, 11:46:24 AM EDT, 'Steve Case' artcase@... [070] <070@...> wrote:
I was there too for the last half hour, CQ'd saw nothing but FT8 sigs. I agree use it or lose it.
Steve
WA7ETE
PNW
#872
From: "randy true w4rttrandy@... [070]" <070@...> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2017 8:41 AM To: "070@..." <070@...> Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31
Nope, just 20 FT8 signals.
Randy W4RTT From: 070@... <070@...> on behalf of 'Mike Besemer' mwbesemer@... [070] <070@...>
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 11:11 AM To: 070@... Subject: RE: [070] 17m PSK31
Not seeing you. Can you see me?
Mike WM4B
From: 070@... [mailto:070@...]
I'm also there
Randy W4RTT
From: 070@... <070@...> on behalf of 'Mike Besemer' mwbesemer@... [070] <070@...>
CQing there now. The FT8 stations moved away from where I’m at.
Mike WM4B
From: 070@... [mailto:070@...]
I just got into the digi modes a couple years ago, and I settled on PSK31 and have loved it. I did notice that whenever I went up to 17 and called there was seldom anyone around. I have made just a hand full of contacts on 17. I do work FT8 and have mad many contacts on 17. But I try to keep above .100 because it is "our" freq. I think it was mostly, "hey these guys aren't using it, so lets us use it" As the old saying says, if you don't use it you will lose it.
Randy W4RTT
From: 070@... <070@...> on behalf of Jerry n9avy@... [070] <070@...>
Probably not, but "venting" feels good. I am hesitant to join another group after cleaning out several groups people urged me to join. There were days I'd wake up and have way too many emails to answer; so, I purged many email accounts that held little interest. Just don't want to start down that road again.
I'm hoping that once the FT8 people tire of the mode, they'll just go away.
Jerry n9avy
From: "n7we1980@... [070]" <070@...>
I too feel the frustration with FT-8 "taking over" what had been "our" segment of 17m. But I doubt posting our concerns here will do much to change that. May I suggest those of us who feel this is an inappropriate encroachment on the gentlemen's agreement join the WSJT Meteor Scatter and Weak Signal Group https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/wsjtgroup/infoand voice our complaints there?
The group's conversations make for interesting reading - particularly the current thread of Expanding the Watering Hole. Have no doubt - they are coming soon to a frequency we all love and use. Time to make our voice heard!
Rick - N7WE 070 - #1602
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Re: 17m PSK31
I was there too for the last half hour, CQ'd saw nothing but FT8 sigs. I agree use it or lose it.
Steve
WA7ETE
PNW
#872
From: "randy true w4rttrandy@... [070]" <070@...> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2017 8:41 AM To: "070@..." <070@...> Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31
Nope, just 20 FT8 signals.
Randy W4RTT From: 070@... <070@...> on behalf of 'Mike Besemer' mwbesemer@... [070] <070@...>
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 11:11 AM To: 070@... Subject: RE: [070] 17m PSK31
Not seeing you. Can you see me?
Mike WM4B
From: 070@... [mailto:070@...]
I'm also there
Randy W4RTT
From: 070@... <070@...> on behalf of 'Mike Besemer' mwbesemer@... [070] <070@...>
CQing there now. The FT8 stations moved away from where I’m at.
Mike WM4B
From: 070@... [mailto:070@...]
I just got into the digi modes a couple years ago, and I settled on PSK31 and have loved it. I did notice that whenever I went up to 17 and called there was seldom anyone around. I have made just a hand full of contacts on 17. I do work FT8 and have mad many contacts on 17. But I try to keep above .100 because it is "our" freq. I think it was mostly, "hey these guys aren't using it, so lets us use it" As the old saying says, if you don't use it you will lose it.
Randy W4RTT
From: 070@... <070@...> on behalf of Jerry n9avy@... [070] <070@...>
Probably not, but "venting" feels good. I am hesitant to join another group after cleaning out several groups people urged me to join. There were days I'd wake up and have way too many emails to answer; so, I purged many email accounts that held little interest. Just don't want to start down that road again.
I'm hoping that once the FT8 people tire of the mode, they'll just go away.
Jerry n9avy
From: "n7we1980@... [070]" <070@...>
I too feel the frustration with FT-8 "taking over" what had been "our" segment of 17m. But I doubt posting our concerns here will do much to change that. May I suggest those of us who feel this is an inappropriate encroachment on the gentlemen's agreement join the WSJT Meteor Scatter and Weak Signal Group https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/wsjtgroup/infoand voice our complaints there?
The group's conversations make for interesting reading - particularly the current thread of Expanding the Watering Hole. Have no doubt - they are coming soon to a frequency we all love and use. Time to make our voice heard!
Rick - N7WE 070 - #1602
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Re: 17m PSK31
Nope, just 20 FT8 signals.
Randy W4RTT
From: 070@... <070@...> on behalf of 'Mike Besemer' mwbesemer@... [070] <070@...>
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 11:11 AM To: 070@... Subject: RE: [070] 17m PSK31 Not seeing you. Can you see me?
Mike WM4B
From: 070@... [mailto:070@...]
I'm also there
Randy W4RTT
From:
070@... <070@...> on behalf of 'Mike Besemer'
mwbesemer@... [070] <070@...>
CQing there now. The FT8 stations moved away from where I’m at.
Mike WM4B
From:
070@... [mailto:070@...]
I just got into the digi modes a couple years ago, and I settled on PSK31 and have loved it. I did notice that whenever I went up to 17 and called there was seldom anyone around. I have made just a hand full of contacts on 17. I do work FT8 and have mad many contacts on 17. But I try to keep above .100 because it is "our" freq. I think it was mostly, "hey these guys aren't using it, so lets us use it" As the old saying says, if you don't use it you will lose it.
Randy W4RTT
From:
070@... <070@...> on behalf of Jerry
n9avy@... [070] <070@...>
Probably not, but "venting" feels good. I am hesitant to join another group after cleaning out several groups people urged me to join. There were days I'd wake up and have way too many emails to answer; so, I purged many email accounts that held little interest. Just don't want to start down that road again.
I'm hoping that once the FT8 people tire of the mode, they'll just go away.
Jerry n9avy
From: "n7we1980@... [070]" <070@...>
I too feel the frustration with FT-8 "taking over" what had been "our" segment of 17m. But I doubt posting our concerns here will do much to change that. May I suggest those of us who feel this is an inappropriate encroachment on the gentlemen's agreement join the WSJT Meteor Scatter and Weak Signal Group https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/wsjtgroup/infoand voice our complaints there?
The group's conversations make for interesting reading - particularly the current thread of Expanding the Watering Hole. Have no doubt - they are coming soon to a frequency we all love and use. Time to make our voice heard!
Rick - N7WE 070 - #1602
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Re: 17m PSK31
Mike Besemer <mwbesemer@...>
Not seeing you. Can you see me?
Mike WM4B
From: 070@... [mailto:070@...]
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 11:02 AM To: 070@... Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31
I'm also there
Randy W4RTT
From: 070@... <070@...> on behalf of 'Mike Besemer' mwbesemer@... [070] <070@...>
CQing there now. The FT8 stations moved away from where I’m at.
Mike WM4B
From: 070@... [mailto:070@...]
I just got into the digi modes a couple years ago, and I settled on PSK31 and have loved it. I did notice that whenever I went up to 17 and called there was seldom anyone around. I have made just a hand full of contacts on 17. I do work FT8 and have mad many contacts on 17. But I try to keep above .100 because it is "our" freq. I think it was mostly, "hey these guys aren't using it, so lets us use it" As the old saying says, if you don't use it you will lose it.
Randy W4RTT
From: 070@... <070@...> on behalf of Jerry n9avy@... [070] <070@...>
Probably not, but "venting" feels good. I am hesitant to join another group after cleaning out several groups people urged me to join. There were days I'd wake up and have way too many emails to answer; so, I purged many email accounts that held little interest. Just don't want to start down that road again.
I'm hoping that once the FT8 people tire of the mode, they'll just go away.
Jerry n9avy
From: "n7we1980@... [070]" <070@...>
I too feel the frustration with FT-8 "taking over" what had been "our" segment of 17m. But I doubt posting our concerns here will do much to change that. May I suggest those of us who feel this is an inappropriate encroachment on the gentlemen's agreement join the WSJT Meteor Scatter and Weak Signal Group https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/wsjtgroup/infoand voice our complaints there?
The group's conversations make for interesting reading - particularly the current thread of Expanding the Watering Hole. Have no doubt - they are coming soon to a frequency we all love and use. Time to make our voice heard!
Rick - N7WE 070 - #1602
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Re: 17m PSK31
I'm also there
Randy W4RTT
From: 070@... <070@...> on behalf of 'Mike Besemer' mwbesemer@... [070] <070@...>
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 10:57 AM To: 070@... Subject: RE: [070] 17m PSK31 CQing there now. The FT8 stations moved away from where I’m at.
Mike WM4B
From: 070@... [mailto:070@...]
I just got into the digi modes a couple years ago, and I settled on PSK31 and have loved it. I did notice that whenever I went up to 17 and called there was seldom anyone around. I have made just a hand full of contacts on 17. I do work FT8 and have mad many contacts on 17. But I try to keep above .100 because it is "our" freq. I think it was mostly, "hey these guys aren't using it, so lets us use it" As the old saying says, if you don't use it you will lose it.
Randy W4RTT
From:
070@... <070@...> on behalf of Jerry
n9avy@... [070] <070@...>
Probably not, but "venting" feels good. I am hesitant to join another group after cleaning out several groups people urged me to join. There were days I'd wake up and have way too many emails to answer; so, I purged many email accounts that held little interest. Just don't want to start down that road again.
I'm hoping that once the FT8 people tire of the mode, they'll just go away.
Jerry n9avy
From: "n7we1980@... [070]" <070@...>
I too feel the frustration with FT-8 "taking over" what had been "our" segment of 17m. But I doubt posting our concerns here will do much to change that. May I suggest those of us who feel this is an inappropriate encroachment on the gentlemen's agreement join the WSJT Meteor Scatter and Weak Signal Group https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/wsjtgroup/infoand voice our complaints there?
The group's conversations make for interesting reading - particularly the current thread of Expanding the Watering Hole. Have no doubt - they are coming soon to a frequency we all love and use. Time to make our voice heard!
Rick - N7WE 070 - #1602
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Re: 17m PSK31
Mike Besemer <mwbesemer@...>
CQing there now. The FT8 stations moved away from where I’m at.
Mike WM4B
From: 070@... [mailto:070@...]
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 10:48 AM To: 070@... Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31
I just got into the digi modes a couple years ago, and I settled on PSK31 and have loved it. I did notice that whenever I went up to 17 and called there was seldom anyone around. I have made just a hand full of contacts on 17. I do work FT8 and have mad many contacts on 17. But I try to keep above .100 because it is "our" freq. I think it was mostly, "hey these guys aren't using it, so lets us use it" As the old saying says, if you don't use it you will lose it.
Randy W4RTT
From: 070@... <070@...> on behalf of Jerry n9avy@... [070] <070@...>
Probably not, but "venting" feels good. I am hesitant to join another group after cleaning out several groups people urged me to join. There were days I'd wake up and have way too many emails to answer; so, I purged many email accounts that held little interest. Just don't want to start down that road again.
I'm hoping that once the FT8 people tire of the mode, they'll just go away.
Jerry n9avy
From: "n7we1980@... [070]" <070@...>
I too feel the frustration with FT-8 "taking over" what had been "our" segment of 17m. But I doubt posting our concerns here will do much to change that. May I suggest those of us who feel this is an inappropriate encroachment on the gentlemen's agreement join the WSJT Meteor Scatter and Weak Signal Group https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/wsjtgroup/infoand voice our complaints there?
The group's conversations make for interesting reading - particularly the current thread of Expanding the Watering Hole. Have no doubt - they are coming soon to a frequency we all love and use. Time to make our voice heard!
Rick - N7WE 070 - #1602
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Re: 17m PSK31
I just got into the digi modes a couple years ago, and I settled on PSK31 and have loved it. I did notice that whenever I went up to 17 and called there was seldom anyone around. I have made just a hand full of contacts on 17. I do work FT8 and have mad many contacts on 17. But I try to keep above .100 because it is "our" freq. I think it was mostly, "hey these guys aren't using it, so lets us use it" As the old saying says, if you don't use it you will lose it.
Randy W4RTT
From: 070@... <070@...> on behalf of Jerry n9avy@... [070] <070@...>
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 9:29 AM To: 070@... Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31 Probably not, but "venting" feels good. I am hesitant to join another group after cleaning out several groups people urged me to join. There were days I'd wake up and have way too many emails to answer;
so, I purged many email accounts that held little interest. Just don't want to start down that road again.
I'm hoping that once the FT8 people tire of the mode, they'll just go away.
Jerry n9avy
From: "n7we1980@... [070]" <070@...> To: 070@... Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 6:11 AM Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31 I too feel the frustration with FT-8 "taking over" what had been "our" segment of 17m. But I doubt posting our concerns here will do much to change that. May I suggest those of us who feel this is an inappropriate encroachment on the gentlemen's agreement
join the WSJT Meteor Scatter and Weak Signal Group
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/wsjtgroup/info
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