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Re: on 40m band looks good

Brian (N2MLP)
 

Just saw you up the band by the ft-8 guys

 

From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Besemer - WM4B #348
Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2018 11:09 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] on 40m band looks good

 

You are STRONG on the waterfall!

 

Mike

WM4B

 

From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian (N2MLP)
Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2018 10:59 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: [070Club] on 40m band looks good

 

 

 

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         de N2MLP Brian

       Monroe County PA

 

 

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Re: on 40m band looks good

Mike Besemer - WM4B #348 <mwbesemer@...>
 

You are STRONG on the waterfall!

 

Mike

WM4B

 

From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian (N2MLP)
Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2018 10:59 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: [070Club] on 40m band looks good

 

 

 

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         de N2MLP Brian

       Monroe County PA

 

 

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on 40m band looks good

Brian (N2MLP)
 

 

 

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         de N2MLP Brian

       Monroe County PA

 

 

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Re: 0500 & 0600 QSOs for 24/7

Brian (N2MLP)
 

Ok will come down about 4

 

From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Besemer - WM4B #348
Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2018 10:26 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] 0500 & 0600 QSOs for 24/7

 

40 meters, I think.  If that doesn’t work, we can try 80.  I was on 75 about an hour ago and it was pretty long.

 

73,

 

Mike

WM4B

 

From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy True
Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2018 10:24 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] 0500 & 0600 QSOs for 24/7

 

Mike, I'll be up. Where do you want to try?

 

Randy W4RTT

 


From: 070Club@groups.io <070Club@groups.io> on behalf of Mike Besemer - WM4B #348 <mwbesemer@...>
Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2018 10:21 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] 0500 & 0600 QSOs for 24/7

 

Already past my bedtime, but I’m going to try to stick it out for an 0500
and 0600 qso.  Hope there are a few folks around.

73,

Mike
WM4B

From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian
(N2MLP)
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 9:28 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] 0500 & 0600 QSOs for 24/7

Just post when you’re on,
Will look for you

From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Besemer
- WM4B #348
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 9:26 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: [070Club] 0500 & 0600 QSOs for 24/7

The XYL is going to be out of town for a few days, which means that this old
ham can play!
I’d like to try for 0500 and 0600 QSOs Thursday, Friday, and Saturday
nights.  If anyone is around, please give a look for me.  If anything
happens to take me out of the game, I’ll try to let you guys know.
73 es tnx,
Mike
WM4B
#348




Re: 0500 & 0600 QSOs for 24/7

Mike Besemer - WM4B #348 <mwbesemer@...>
 

40 meters, I think.  If that doesn’t work, we can try 80.  I was on 75 about an hour ago and it was pretty long.

 

73,

 

Mike

WM4B

 

From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy True
Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2018 10:24 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] 0500 & 0600 QSOs for 24/7

 

Mike, I'll be up. Where do you want to try?

 

Randy W4RTT

 


From: 070Club@groups.io <070Club@groups.io> on behalf of Mike Besemer - WM4B #348 <mwbesemer@...>
Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2018 10:21 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] 0500 & 0600 QSOs for 24/7

 

Already past my bedtime, but I’m going to try to stick it out for an 0500
and 0600 qso.  Hope there are a few folks around.

73,

Mike
WM4B

From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian
(N2MLP)
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 9:28 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] 0500 & 0600 QSOs for 24/7

Just post when you’re on,
Will look for you

From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Besemer
- WM4B #348
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 9:26 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: [070Club] 0500 & 0600 QSOs for 24/7

The XYL is going to be out of town for a few days, which means that this old
ham can play!
I’d like to try for 0500 and 0600 QSOs Thursday, Friday, and Saturday
nights.  If anyone is around, please give a look for me.  If anything
happens to take me out of the game, I’ll try to let you guys know.
73 es tnx,
Mike
WM4B
#348





Re: 0500 & 0600 QSOs for 24/7

Brian (N2MLP)
 

I'm here playing on 80m

Will be around

-----Original Message-----
From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Besemer
- WM4B #348
Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2018 10:22 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] 0500 & 0600 QSOs for 24/7

Already past my bedtime, but I’m going to try to stick it out for an 0500
and 0600 qso. Hope there are a few folks around.

73,

Mike
WM4B

From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian
(N2MLP)
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 9:28 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] 0500 & 0600 QSOs for 24/7

Just post when you’re on,
Will look for you

From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Besemer
- WM4B #348
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 9:26 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: [070Club] 0500 & 0600 QSOs for 24/7

The XYL is going to be out of town for a few days, which means that this old
ham can play!
I’d like to try for 0500 and 0600 QSOs Thursday, Friday, and Saturday
nights.  If anyone is around, please give a look for me.  If anything
happens to take me out of the game, I’ll try to let you guys know.
73 es tnx,
Mike
WM4B
#348


Re: 0500 & 0600 QSOs for 24/7

Randy True
 

Mike, I'll be up. Where do you want to try?


Randy W4RTT




From: 070Club@groups.io <070Club@groups.io> on behalf of Mike Besemer - WM4B #348 <mwbesemer@...>
Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2018 10:21 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] 0500 & 0600 QSOs for 24/7
 
Already past my bedtime, but I’m going to try to stick it out for an 0500
and 0600 qso.  Hope there are a few folks around.

73,

Mike
WM4B

From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian
(N2MLP)
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 9:28 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] 0500 & 0600 QSOs for 24/7

Just post when you’re on,
Will look for you

From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Besemer
- WM4B #348
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 9:26 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: [070Club] 0500 & 0600 QSOs for 24/7

The XYL is going to be out of town for a few days, which means that this old
ham can play!
I’d like to try for 0500 and 0600 QSOs Thursday, Friday, and Saturday
nights.  If anyone is around, please give a look for me.  If anything
happens to take me out of the game, I’ll try to let you guys know.
73 es tnx,
Mike
WM4B
#348






Re: 0500 & 0600 QSOs for 24/7

Mike Besemer - WM4B #348 <mwbesemer@...>
 

Already past my bedtime, but I’m going to try to stick it out for an 0500
and 0600 qso. Hope there are a few folks around.

73,

Mike
WM4B

From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian
(N2MLP)
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 9:28 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] 0500 & 0600 QSOs for 24/7

Just post when you’re on,
Will look for you

From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Besemer
- WM4B #348
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 9:26 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: [070Club] 0500 & 0600 QSOs for 24/7

The XYL is going to be out of town for a few days, which means that this old
ham can play!
I’d like to try for 0500 and 0600 QSOs Thursday, Friday, and Saturday
nights.  If anyone is around, please give a look for me.  If anything
happens to take me out of the game, I’ll try to let you guys know.
73 es tnx,
Mike
WM4B
#348


160 Meter Random Comments

Bill Garwood
 

Hi Folks,


Been checking 160 recently and working anyone I find that is not in the log already.  Email me if you are in the Eastern half of the US and Canada and need me for the Top Band Award.  I'm using a Carolina Windom 160 ocf dipole on all bands.  It loads up and does a decent job on 160.  They recommend it to be installed at least 50 feet or higher.  Mine is more of a sloper at 20 feet height at one end and maybe 40 feet at the other so it is not maximized but it is what it is.  On PSK31, I usually run 80 watts on 160 meters except in the contests that restrict me to 50 watts.  (I check with an IMD meter and my TS-590SG has a low IMD at 80 watts with ALC = 0).  If I can hear a station, I usually can work that station.  In other words, adding  a BOG receive only antenna would probably not benefit my station with my current set up.  I do have a Wellbrook active receiving loop and it does not hear any better than my Windom on 160 but it can be rotated to null some electric fence noise that is in my neighborhood from time to time.  I have 25 states and Canada confirmed on 160 meter PSK31.  1000 miles is about it.   I have never worked or seen the west coast with that mode.  Propagation seems to vary a lot from day to day and even minute by minute when in some of our 070 contests.


The 160 meter DXers are usually running hundreds of watts or more up to 1.5 kW, usually with CW.   They need a good receive antenna as their high power goes farther than they can receive using a noisy vertical or whatever they are using to transmit.


In the old days, back in the middle of the 20th century, 160 meters was a shared band and most of the commercial tube rigs did not offer 160 meters.  Top band operators built their own transmitters and antennas.  The old FCC rules restricted ham use to certain parts of the 160 meter band depending on where you lived.  There were also restrictions on how much power you could run during the day with restricted power at night.   All of this was due to the LORAN A navigation system.   LORAN A was phased out maybe 35 years ago and the hams finally got the full 160 meter band.  Technically it is in the MF band along with Standard Broadcast and not an HF band as HF is 3.0 to 30 MHz.  160 meters is a challenge.  DXCC and WAS take a lot of patience and operating at wee hours of the morning along with sunrise and sunset.  If you've ever done some AM broadcast band DXing, this is similar to how 160 meters behaves.  Some of you might want to have a sked on a weekend or holiday well after midnight local time or western stations see if you can get some east coast stations to fire up their 160 meter PSK31 rigs  around local sunrise on the east coast. 


Happy Radio!


Bill N4GBK #1688 in FM16 NC


Re: Hustler 6BTV

Dan Morris - KZ3T
 

Well, when I was going to Olympic college in Bremerton, WA and playing golf for the team we went from Bremerton toward the Eastern part of the state Walla Walla, I believe, we started out in cloudy rainy weather, to snow in the mountains to sunshine and warmth getting closer to Walla Walla.  Just crazy weather for sure. 

Dan Morris  KZ3T

I live to live for Him!



On Feb 1, 2018, at 3:46 PM, Larry Rockne #404 <pops4355@...> wrote:

Tom,

You should vist the 'other' Washinton, the S.E. portion of the State. Its the desert of the Evergreen State.

In August the average high is 91 degrees, record high 106 degrees.
The average rainfall in August is 0.37 inches.

Not to many pine trees though, lots of tumble weeds and sagebrush.

73,
Larry WA7HDZ #404.


160m propagation

JEFF WALSH
 

 I got curious and went to the 070 award checker and went to Davd's WAS and checked for my 160m states and found that over the past few years that also have favored the North and the Northeast with a few in the mid West but none reaching the West coast or nearby states .

 By the way Great program David ! 

JEFF WALSH
W3WMU
#1673
BUBBAWOOD
WORLDWIDE HEADQUARTERS
STURGIS, MS.


Re: East, West, and in between on 160m

Jim K5SP
 

The isolator is in the shack, and ad antenna instruction state, the feedline is 50 goot long from antenna to isolator. Am greatly hampered by lot size here. 

Also have deed restrictions, and vertical is a stealth installation. Wire no one can see. Put vertical up in 99 and no complaints, so consider myself grandfathered. 

All station gear connected to common ground bar. Ground bar connected to 8 foot rod driven into ground and connected with #6 copper wire.

No room for radicals due to obstacles, and xyl.

JIM K5SP 



Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S®6 active, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: Matthew King - AK4MK <kk4cps@...>
Date: 2/1/18 2:48 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] East, West, and in between on 160m

Hmmm.... at 30ft, that antenna is about 0.07~ above the ground on 160m. That's the equivalent of a 20m dipole about FOUR FEET off the ground. I think we all have an idea of how well that'd work for anything other than very close-in communications.

An end-fed antenna really likes to be right at 1/2~ long at the lowest frequency of interest, so that'd be about 255' on 160. A true "long wire" antenna is a full wavelength or longer at the lowest frequency of interest, or just over 500 feet.

As Carr says  in the Practical Antenna Handbook regarding an end-fed antenna (an inherently unbalanced antenna), " ...the user must realize the most important thing he or she can do to improve the antenna is to make sure there is an excellent RF ground system attached to the chassis of the ATU (tuner) or transmitter where the wire connects."  The emphasis is mine, and is meant to indicate that a piece of #6 wire to an 8 foot ground rod isn't an effective RF ground. That's a safety ground. An effective RF ground is a counterpoise or radial field. 

Right now, with no counterpoise, your feedline is being forced to be the counterpoise, or at least it would be without the isolator on it. I'm of the opinion that you're much better off WITH the isolator so that you're not bringing RF into the shack on the feedline, but I'm also of the opinion that you NEED a counterpoise, especially with the isolator on the feedline. No matter how productive the antenna may have been to this point, an effective counterpoise would make it much more so, especially on 160 where it's already very low and very short.  There's not going to be a whole lot of efficiency there either way, but the counterpoise should help quite a bit.

In effect, you have three things you can do to improve your antenna:

Get it higher
Make it longer
Give it an effective counterpoise system

Several radials (8-16) just as long as you can make them and fanned out equally (as obstacles allow) hooked to the ground post on your matchbox should make a real difference in the performance of your antenna on all bands. More radials are better, if you can do it, up to a point of diminishing returns of about 40 radials. If the isolator is currently at the feedpoint, you could move it to the shack entry point instead and that'd make your feedline radiate and be a very minimalist counterpoise. It may well bring common mode current close enough to your shack to make weird things happen to speakers, computers, monitors, TV's, etc... as well, though.  If absolutely NOTHING else can be done, at least do a short piece of #6 wire to a fully driven ground rod with a well-biting clamp on it.  That might make some difference, but nothing approaching that of a real counterpoise.  

Good luck with it, friend Jim - I'll be out spreading more radials myself in the spring!

73

Matt
AK4MK

On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 2:11 PM, Jim K5SP <jinnis@...> wrote:

No counter poise.  Am using the 88 foot QSO-King by NU0R.  It's up about 30 foot. Has a line isolator in the feed coax.


Jim


On 2/1/2018 12:34 PM, Matthew King - AK4MK wrote:
Hey, Jim - what sort of counterpoise are you using on your end-fed wire?  How high is it? How long is it?

Inquiring minds wanna know more!

73

Matt
AK4MK

Virus-free. www.avast.com

On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 1:11 PM, Jim K5SP <jinnis@...> wrote:
Using an end-fed wire. Oriented kind of NW-SE. And running about 50 watts.  Crank it up to 80 watts at times on this band, but any higher start getting ALC.  SWR is about 1.4 on the wire.

My contact the other evening was with KX4WB who is in TN, so think I am getting out East.

Have a Gap Titan DX vertical, but it doesn't want to load on 160, even using an external tuner instead of the rigs internal tuner.

On the top band, I am starting to feel like Barry does on all bands.  hihi

Jim K5SP


On 2/1/2018 8:10 AM, Rick - N7WE wrote:
Jim-

You may have said earlier and I missed it, but what are you using for an antenna on 160?  If it is a wire, how is it oriented?  How much power are you using?

Rick - N7WE


On 2/1/2018 08:34, Jim K5SP wrote:

And I am curious about it also. The other evening I could see 4-5 stations, with great copy on KX4WB and some copy on the others.  But the only one that I could QSO with was KX4WB, nobody else would respond. It seems that in my location, since I can see/hear some of the east coast stations, I should also be able to see Barry, but no luck there.

Can we get some midwest stations on?

Jim K5SP








--
Jim,  K5SP #483
Member Services Director






--
Jim,  K5SP #483
Member Services Director



--
Jim,  K5SP #483
Member Services Director


Re: Hustler 6BTV

Richard Rohrer
 

Hi Wolf,

I have a 6BTV and us it as a backup antenna. I have added 4 guys above the
20 mtr trap so it seems pretty solid. My problem is where it resonates on
30 and 40 mtrs, it is at bottom the band with the tubes at shortest length.
I have been concerned with tuning the 20 and 15 traps since they resonate
about where I want them. Since it is good WX in FL now, not to hot I may
play with it a little to see if I can get the same kind of resonant points
that N7WE has.

I find that it has very low noise and sometimes works better than my other
antennas.

73
Dick - KC3EF

-----Original Message-----
From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Wolf
Leverich
Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2018 4:52 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] Hustler 6BTV


Hi Rick -

I'm using a 6BTV, and I get all of 40m at well under 3:1 SWR.

I'm not sure which would explain it, but these are the ways my set-up does
or might vary from yours.

I have about the same number of radials, but they vary 33 feet to 50-odd
feet.

My radial field dips downhill at about 30 degrees over about 180 degrees --
the vertical is basically at the corner of a low ridge.

I have the DXE vertical line isolator mounted at the base.

I'm using about 100' of LMR-400-like coax.

I have a second line isolator at my operating position.

For me, 80m is a different story. I have to drop the vertical and change
the "stinger" above the 80m resonator to move from the CW end to the phone
end of the band.

DICK, I'm fairly happy with the 6BTV. It aint 5 towers with stacked
monobanders on each, but it works. I took ARRL Santa Barbara Section in
RTTY with it, and usually do reasonably well in PODXS contests for being out
here in 6-land. I'm closing in on 5-band WAS and thinking about making a
serious run at 5-band DXCC over the course of the next solar half-cycle.

If you can't do a tower, it's a solid antenna.

BTW, if you get it, get the reinforced bottom tube. And think about lightly
guying it. I have the reinforced tube and an almost-invisible 3-point guy
system, and the antenna doesn't even wiggle in high winds. No worries,
ever. :)

Cheers, Wolf (WA6I)



On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 12:05:51PM -0800, Rick - N7WE wrote:

Dick-
I have the Hustler ground mounted over 40 radials of differing length
- due to the lot.  The shortest is about 15 feet and the longest about
28 feet.  The Hustler has DXEngineering 12m and 17m add-ons, and I can
tune without cutting any tubes.  Here's the readings from the MFJ259B
                     SWR         R           X
3.580            1.0           50           3
7.035             1.1          38           0
7.070             1.2          36           0
10.140           1.1          54           8
14.070           1.1          42           0
18.100           1.0          52           3
21.070           1.1          46           6
24.920           1.1          72           0
28.120           1.0          64           0 I follow the
DXEngineering guide - Chapter 7 - for tuning instead of the Hustler's
instructions.  If you don't have it, you can download it HERE (
https://static.dxengineering.com/global/images/instructions/dxe-btv-inst-ins
_sn.pdf ) in PDF format.  Good luck and I hope that helps.   Let me know!
*Rick - N7WE*
*070 - #1602*


Re: East, West, and in between on 160m

Jim K5SP
 

My face is kind of red over this one.  I have not been using my wire as I thought.  The wire is connected to Antenna 2 on my external tuner, and my vertical is connected to antenna 1.  So, I forgot that when the tuner was off, it defaulted to antenna 1, so I have been trying using my vertical, instead of the wire. 

This evening, I will be on, and ensure I am using my wire.  Turned the external tuner off because neither one of my antennas would get a decent SWR with it. But, with it off, the tuner on the rig gets it down satisfactorily.

Maybe better luck tonight.
--
Jim,  K5SP #483
Member Services Director


Re: Hustler 6BTV

Brian Wolf Leverich
 

Hi Rick -

I'm using a 6BTV, and I get all of 40m at well under 3:1 SWR.

I'm not sure which would explain it, but these are the ways my set-up
does or might vary from yours.

I have about the same number of radials, but they vary 33 feet to 50-odd feet.

My radial field dips downhill at about 30 degrees over about 180 degrees --
the vertical is basically at the corner of a low ridge.

I have the DXE vertical line isolator mounted at the base.

I'm using about 100' of LMR-400-like coax.

I have a second line isolator at my operating position.

For me, 80m is a different story. I have to drop the vertical and change the
"stinger" above the 80m resonator to move from the CW end to the phone end of
the band.

DICK, I'm fairly happy with the 6BTV. It aint 5 towers with stacked monobanders
on each, but it works. I took ARRL Santa Barbara Section in RTTY with it, and
usually do reasonably well in PODXS contests for being out here in 6-land. I'm
closing in on 5-band WAS and thinking about making a serious run at 5-band DXCC
over the course of the next solar half-cycle.

If you can't do a tower, it's a solid antenna.

BTW, if you get it, get the reinforced bottom tube. And think about lightly
guying it. I have the reinforced tube and an almost-invisible 3-point guy
system, and the antenna doesn't even wiggle in high winds. No worries, ever. :)

Cheers, Wolf (WA6I)

On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 12:05:51PM -0800, Rick - N7WE wrote:

Dick-
I have the Hustler ground mounted over 40 radials of differing length - due to the lot.  The shortest is about 15 feet and the longest about 28 feet.  The Hustler has DXEngineering 12m and 17m add-ons, and I can tune without cutting any tubes.  Here's the readings from the MFJ259B
                     SWR         R           X
3.580            1.0           50           3
7.035             1.1          38           0
7.070             1.2          36           0
10.140           1.1          54           8
14.070           1.1          42           0
18.100           1.0          52           3
21.070           1.1          46           6
24.920           1.1          72           0
28.120           1.0          64           0
I follow the DXEngineering guide - Chapter 7 - for tuning instead of the Hustler's instructions.  If you don't have it, you can download it HERE ( https://static.dxengineering.com/global/images/instructions/dxe-btv-inst-ins_sn.pdf ) in PDF format.  Good luck and I hope that helps.   Let me know!
*Rick - N7WE*
*070 - #1602*


Re: East, West, and in between on 160m

Mike Besemer - WM4B #348 <mwbesemer@...>
 

My loop was in the neighborhood of 560’ (around 576 feet, if I recall correctly) and it was EXCELLENT. Of course, it was direct-fed with a 100’ run of RG-214, so it shouldn’t have worked at all, but my log says otherwise~

Mike
WM4B

From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian (N2MLP)
Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2018 3:52 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] East, West, and in between on 160m

Guess I was going in right direction making my long wire 560 feet long
About 65 feet in air at lowest points

From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Matthew King - AK4MK
Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2018 3:49 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] East, West, and in between on 160m

Hmmm.... at 30ft, that antenna is about 0.07~ above the ground on 160m. That's the equivalent of a 20m dipole about FOUR FEET off the ground. I think we all have an idea of how well that'd work for anything other than very close-in communications.

An end-fed antenna really likes to be right at 1/2~ long at the lowest frequency of interest, so that'd be about 255' on 160. A true "long wire" antenna is a full wavelength or longer at the lowest frequency of interest, or just over 500 feet.

As Carr says in the Practical Antenna Handbook regarding an end-fed antenna (an inherently unbalanced antenna), " ...the user must realize the most important thing he or she can do to improve the antenna is to make sure there is an excellent RF ground system attached to the chassis of the ATU (tuner) or transmitter where the wire connects." The emphasis is mine, and is meant to indicate that a piece of #6 wire to an 8 foot ground rod isn't an effective RF ground. That's a safety ground. An effective RF ground is a counterpoise or radial field.

Right now, with no counterpoise, your feedline is being forced to be the counterpoise, or at least it would be without the isolator on it. I'm of the opinion that you're much better off WITH the isolator so that you're not bringing RF into the shack on the feedline, but I'm also of the opinion that you NEED a counterpoise, especially with the isolator on the feedline. No matter how productive the antenna may have been to this point, an effective counterpoise would make it much more so, especially on 160 where it's already very low and very short. There's not going to be a whole lot of efficiency there either way, but the counterpoise should help quite a bit.

In effect, you have three things you can do to improve your antenna:

Get it higher
Make it longer
Give it an effective counterpoise system

Several radials (8-16) just as long as you can make them and fanned out equally (as obstacles allow) hooked to the ground post on your matchbox should make a real difference in the performance of your antenna on all bands. More radials are better, if you can do it, up to a point of diminishing returns of about 40 radials. If the isolator is currently at the feedpoint, you could move it to the shack entry point instead and that'd make your feedline radiate and be a very minimalist counterpoise. It may well bring common mode current close enough to your shack to make weird things happen to speakers, computers, monitors, TV's, etc... as well, though. If absolutely NOTHING else can be done, at least do a short piece of #6 wire to a fully driven ground rod with a well-biting clamp on it. That might make some difference, but nothing approaching that of a real counterpoise.

Good luck with it, friend Jim - I'll be out spreading more radials myself in the spring!

73

Matt
AK4MK

On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 2:11 PM, Jim K5SP <jinnis@swbell.net> wrote:
No counter poise. Am using the 88 foot QSO-King by NU0R. It's up about 30 foot. Has a line isolator in the feed coax.

Jim

On 2/1/2018 12:34 PM, Matthew King - AK4MK wrote:
Hey, Jim - what sort of counterpoise are you using on your end-fed wire? How high is it? How long is it?

Inquiring minds wanna know more!

73

Matt
AK4MK


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On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 1:11 PM, Jim K5SP <jinnis@swbell.net> wrote:
Using an end-fed wire. Oriented kind of NW-SE. And running about 50 watts. Crank it up to 80 watts at times on this band, but any higher start getting ALC. SWR is about 1.4 on the wire.

My contact the other evening was with KX4WB who is in TN, so think I am getting out East.

Have a Gap Titan DX vertical, but it doesn't want to load on 160, even using an external tuner instead of the rigs internal tuner.

On the top band, I am starting to feel like Barry does on all bands. hihi

Jim K5SP


On 2/1/2018 8:10 AM, Rick - N7WE wrote:
Jim-

You may have said earlier and I missed it, but what are you using for an antenna on 160? If it is a wire, how is it oriented? How much power are you using?

Rick - N7WE


On 2/1/2018 08:34, Jim K5SP wrote:

And I am curious about it also. The other evening I could see 4-5 stations, with great copy on KX4WB and some copy on the others. But the only one that I could QSO with was KX4WB, nobody else would respond. It seems that in my location, since I can see/hear some of the east coast stations, I should also be able to see Barry, but no luck there.

Can we get some midwest stations on?

Jim K5SP




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Re: East, West, and in between on 160m

Matthew King - AK4MK
 

Sounds like it! :-)

73

Matt King
AK4MK - 070 #1708
PODXS 070 Club Executive Director


On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 3:51 PM, Brian (N2MLP) <n2mlp@...> wrote:

Guess I was going in right direction making my long wire 560 feet long  

About 65 feet in air at lowest points

 

From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Matthew King - AK4MK
Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2018 3:49 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] East, West, and in between on 160m

 

Hmmm.... at 30ft, that antenna is about 0.07~ above the ground on 160m. That's the equivalent of a 20m dipole about FOUR FEET off the ground. I think we all have an idea of how well that'd work for anything other than very close-in communications.

 

An end-fed antenna really likes to be right at 1/2~ long at the lowest frequency of interest, so that'd be about 255' on 160. A true "long wire" antenna is a full wavelength or longer at the lowest frequency of interest, or just over 500 feet.

 

As Carr says  in the Practical Antenna Handbook regarding an end-fed antenna (an inherently unbalanced antenna), " ...the user must realize the most important thing he or she can do to improve the antenna is to make sure there is an excellent RF ground system attached to the chassis of the ATU (tuner) or transmitter where the wire connects."  The emphasis is mine, and is meant to indicate that a piece of #6 wire to an 8 foot ground rod isn't an effective RF ground. That's a safety ground. An effective RF ground is a counterpoise or radial field. 

 

Right now, with no counterpoise, your feedline is being forced to be the counterpoise, or at least it would be without the isolator on it. I'm of the opinion that you're much better off WITH the isolator so that you're not bringing RF into the shack on the feedline, but I'm also of the opinion that you NEED a counterpoise, especially with the isolator on the feedline. No matter how productive the antenna may have been to this point, an effective counterpoise would make it much more so, especially on 160 where it's already very low and very short.  There's not going to be a whole lot of efficiency there either way, but the counterpoise should help quite a bit.

 

In effect, you have three things you can do to improve your antenna:

 

Get it higher

Make it longer

Give it an effective counterpoise system

 

Several radials (8-16) just as long as you can make them and fanned out equally (as obstacles allow) hooked to the ground post on your matchbox should make a real difference in the performance of your antenna on all bands. More radials are better, if you can do it, up to a point of diminishing returns of about 40 radials. If the isolator is currently at the feedpoint, you could move it to the shack entry point instead and that'd make your feedline radiate and be a very minimalist counterpoise. It may well bring common mode current close enough to your shack to make weird things happen to speakers, computers, monitors, TV's, etc... as well, though.  If absolutely NOTHING else can be done, at least do a short piece of #6 wire to a fully driven ground rod with a well-biting clamp on it.  That might make some difference, but nothing approaching that of a real counterpoise.  

 

Good luck with it, friend Jim - I'll be out spreading more radials myself in the spring!

 

73

 

Matt

AK4MK

 

On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 2:11 PM, Jim K5SP <jinnis@...> wrote:

No counter poise.  Am using the 88 foot QSO-King by NU0R.  It's up about 30 foot. Has a line isolator in the feed coax.

 

Jim

 

On 2/1/2018 12:34 PM, Matthew King - AK4MK wrote:

Hey, Jim - what sort of counterpoise are you using on your end-fed wire?  How high is it? How long is it?

 

Inquiring minds wanna know more!

 

73

 

Matt

AK4MK

 

Virus-free. www.avast.com

 

On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 1:11 PM, Jim K5SP <jinnis@...> wrote:

Using an end-fed wire. Oriented kind of NW-SE. And running about 50 watts.  Crank it up to 80 watts at times on this band, but any higher start getting ALC.  SWR is about 1.4 on the wire.

My contact the other evening was with KX4WB who is in TN, so think I am getting out East.

Have a Gap Titan DX vertical, but it doesn't want to load on 160, even using an external tuner instead of the rigs internal tuner.

On the top band, I am starting to feel like Barry does on all bands.  hihi

Jim K5SP


On 2/1/2018 8:10 AM, Rick - N7WE wrote:

Jim-

You may have said earlier and I missed it, but what are you using for an antenna on 160?  If it is a wire, how is it oriented?  How much power are you using?

Rick - N7WE


On 2/1/2018 08:34, Jim K5SP wrote:


And I am curious about it also. The other evening I could see 4-5 stations, with great copy on KX4WB and some copy on the others.  But the only one that I could QSO with was KX4WB, nobody else would respond. It seems that in my location, since I can see/hear some of the east coast stations, I should also be able to see Barry, but no luck there.

Can we get some midwest stations on?

Jim K5SP






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Larry,

Oh, I actually am somewhat familiar with the territory, having worked in the Tri-Cities and surrounding areas for a couple years.  It is quite a different situation compared to our sogginess.

It was interesting that the thing that while there the thing that I most missed most was just the presence of mountains/hills surrounding.  I grew up in the Applachian Smokies, so I've been a "hills" boy all my life I guess.  

Washington is a really interesting state in terms of the variety of climate zones that we have.  Everything from genuine rain forests to real deserts, they say.

It is great to hear from you!

73,

Tom
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On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 12:46 PM, Larry Rockne #404 <pops4355@...> wrote:
Tom,

You should vist the 'other' Washinton, the S.E. portion of the State. Its the desert of the Evergreen State.

In August the average high is 91 degrees, record high 106 degrees.
The average rainfall in August is 0.37 inches.

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Re: East, West, and in between on 160m

Brian (N2MLP)
 

Guess I was going in right direction making my long wire 560 feet long  

About 65 feet in air at lowest points

 

From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Matthew King - AK4MK
Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2018 3:49 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] East, West, and in between on 160m

 

Hmmm.... at 30ft, that antenna is about 0.07~ above the ground on 160m. That's the equivalent of a 20m dipole about FOUR FEET off the ground. I think we all have an idea of how well that'd work for anything other than very close-in communications.

 

An end-fed antenna really likes to be right at 1/2~ long at the lowest frequency of interest, so that'd be about 255' on 160. A true "long wire" antenna is a full wavelength or longer at the lowest frequency of interest, or just over 500 feet.

 

As Carr says  in the Practical Antenna Handbook regarding an end-fed antenna (an inherently unbalanced antenna), " ...the user must realize the most important thing he or she can do to improve the antenna is to make sure there is an excellent RF ground system attached to the chassis of the ATU (tuner) or transmitter where the wire connects."  The emphasis is mine, and is meant to indicate that a piece of #6 wire to an 8 foot ground rod isn't an effective RF ground. That's a safety ground. An effective RF ground is a counterpoise or radial field. 

 

Right now, with no counterpoise, your feedline is being forced to be the counterpoise, or at least it would be without the isolator on it. I'm of the opinion that you're much better off WITH the isolator so that you're not bringing RF into the shack on the feedline, but I'm also of the opinion that you NEED a counterpoise, especially with the isolator on the feedline. No matter how productive the antenna may have been to this point, an effective counterpoise would make it much more so, especially on 160 where it's already very low and very short.  There's not going to be a whole lot of efficiency there either way, but the counterpoise should help quite a bit.

 

In effect, you have three things you can do to improve your antenna:

 

Get it higher

Make it longer

Give it an effective counterpoise system

 

Several radials (8-16) just as long as you can make them and fanned out equally (as obstacles allow) hooked to the ground post on your matchbox should make a real difference in the performance of your antenna on all bands. More radials are better, if you can do it, up to a point of diminishing returns of about 40 radials. If the isolator is currently at the feedpoint, you could move it to the shack entry point instead and that'd make your feedline radiate and be a very minimalist counterpoise. It may well bring common mode current close enough to your shack to make weird things happen to speakers, computers, monitors, TV's, etc... as well, though.  If absolutely NOTHING else can be done, at least do a short piece of #6 wire to a fully driven ground rod with a well-biting clamp on it.  That might make some difference, but nothing approaching that of a real counterpoise.  

 

Good luck with it, friend Jim - I'll be out spreading more radials myself in the spring!

 

73

 

Matt

AK4MK

 

On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 2:11 PM, Jim K5SP <jinnis@...> wrote:

No counter poise.  Am using the 88 foot QSO-King by NU0R.  It's up about 30 foot. Has a line isolator in the feed coax.

 

Jim

 

On 2/1/2018 12:34 PM, Matthew King - AK4MK wrote:

Hey, Jim - what sort of counterpoise are you using on your end-fed wire?  How high is it? How long is it?

 

Inquiring minds wanna know more!

 

73

 

Matt

AK4MK

 

Virus-free. www.avast.com

 

On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 1:11 PM, Jim K5SP <jinnis@...> wrote:

Using an end-fed wire. Oriented kind of NW-SE. And running about 50 watts.  Crank it up to 80 watts at times on this band, but any higher start getting ALC.  SWR is about 1.4 on the wire.

My contact the other evening was with KX4WB who is in TN, so think I am getting out East.

Have a Gap Titan DX vertical, but it doesn't want to load on 160, even using an external tuner instead of the rigs internal tuner.

On the top band, I am starting to feel like Barry does on all bands.  hihi

Jim K5SP


On 2/1/2018 8:10 AM, Rick - N7WE wrote:

Jim-

You may have said earlier and I missed it, but what are you using for an antenna on 160?  If it is a wire, how is it oriented?  How much power are you using?

Rick - N7WE


On 2/1/2018 08:34, Jim K5SP wrote:


And I am curious about it also. The other evening I could see 4-5 stations, with great copy on KX4WB and some copy on the others.  But the only one that I could QSO with was KX4WB, nobody else would respond. It seems that in my location, since I can see/hear some of the east coast stations, I should also be able to see Barry, but no luck there.

Can we get some midwest stations on?

Jim K5SP






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Member Services Director


 

 


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Re: East, West, and in between on 160m

Matthew King - AK4MK
 

Hmmm.... at 30ft, that antenna is about 0.07~ above the ground on 160m. That's the equivalent of a 20m dipole about FOUR FEET off the ground. I think we all have an idea of how well that'd work for anything other than very close-in communications.

An end-fed antenna really likes to be right at 1/2~ long at the lowest frequency of interest, so that'd be about 255' on 160. A true "long wire" antenna is a full wavelength or longer at the lowest frequency of interest, or just over 500 feet.

As Carr says  in the Practical Antenna Handbook regarding an end-fed antenna (an inherently unbalanced antenna), " ...the user must realize the most important thing he or she can do to improve the antenna is to make sure there is an excellent RF ground system attached to the chassis of the ATU (tuner) or transmitter where the wire connects."  The emphasis is mine, and is meant to indicate that a piece of #6 wire to an 8 foot ground rod isn't an effective RF ground. That's a safety ground. An effective RF ground is a counterpoise or radial field. 

Right now, with no counterpoise, your feedline is being forced to be the counterpoise, or at least it would be without the isolator on it. I'm of the opinion that you're much better off WITH the isolator so that you're not bringing RF into the shack on the feedline, but I'm also of the opinion that you NEED a counterpoise, especially with the isolator on the feedline. No matter how productive the antenna may have been to this point, an effective counterpoise would make it much more so, especially on 160 where it's already very low and very short.  There's not going to be a whole lot of efficiency there either way, but the counterpoise should help quite a bit.

In effect, you have three things you can do to improve your antenna:

Get it higher
Make it longer
Give it an effective counterpoise system

Several radials (8-16) just as long as you can make them and fanned out equally (as obstacles allow) hooked to the ground post on your matchbox should make a real difference in the performance of your antenna on all bands. More radials are better, if you can do it, up to a point of diminishing returns of about 40 radials. If the isolator is currently at the feedpoint, you could move it to the shack entry point instead and that'd make your feedline radiate and be a very minimalist counterpoise. It may well bring common mode current close enough to your shack to make weird things happen to speakers, computers, monitors, TV's, etc... as well, though.  If absolutely NOTHING else can be done, at least do a short piece of #6 wire to a fully driven ground rod with a well-biting clamp on it.  That might make some difference, but nothing approaching that of a real counterpoise.  

Good luck with it, friend Jim - I'll be out spreading more radials myself in the spring!

73

Matt
AK4MK

On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 2:11 PM, Jim K5SP <jinnis@...> wrote:

No counter poise.  Am using the 88 foot QSO-King by NU0R.  It's up about 30 foot. Has a line isolator in the feed coax.


Jim


On 2/1/2018 12:34 PM, Matthew King - AK4MK wrote:
Hey, Jim - what sort of counterpoise are you using on your end-fed wire?  How high is it? How long is it?

Inquiring minds wanna know more!

73

Matt
AK4MK

Virus-free. www.avast.com

On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 1:11 PM, Jim K5SP <jinnis@...> wrote:
Using an end-fed wire. Oriented kind of NW-SE. And running about 50 watts.  Crank it up to 80 watts at times on this band, but any higher start getting ALC.  SWR is about 1.4 on the wire.

My contact the other evening was with KX4WB who is in TN, so think I am getting out East.

Have a Gap Titan DX vertical, but it doesn't want to load on 160, even using an external tuner instead of the rigs internal tuner.

On the top band, I am starting to feel like Barry does on all bands.  hihi

Jim K5SP


On 2/1/2018 8:10 AM, Rick - N7WE wrote:
Jim-

You may have said earlier and I missed it, but what are you using for an antenna on 160?  If it is a wire, how is it oriented?  How much power are you using?

Rick - N7WE


On 2/1/2018 08:34, Jim K5SP wrote:

And I am curious about it also. The other evening I could see 4-5 stations, with great copy on KX4WB and some copy on the others.  But the only one that I could QSO with was KX4WB, nobody else would respond. It seems that in my location, since I can see/hear some of the east coast stations, I should also be able to see Barry, but no luck there.

Can we get some midwest stations on?

Jim K5SP








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