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Re: Tuned up my wire

VA7GEM-1470 <boat.anchor@...>
 

On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 10:22 am, Paula K7PAX #1739 wrote:
Yes, the low end is south. We shall soon see if it will work!

Paula

On Feb 13, 2018, at 9:19 AM, VA7GEM-1470 via Groups.Io <boat.anchor@...> wrote:

On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 02:57 pm, Paula K7PAX #1739 wrote:
Tuned up my wire

Well guys, I finally got some time to sit down and dink with my station. I used the Heathkit tuner to tune up that QSO king wire on 40, 80 and 160 meters and could achieve an SWR of 1.5:1 or less on all three.

So I can tune it whether or not Ill be able to do anything is another story time will tell. This time I have the low end about 10 up in a tree, coming off the 35 tower. Running roughly north/south.

 

Paula K7PAX #1739

Pula
I hope the low end is to the south.
GL de Barry
So the question becomes-
Should I try 40M mid-day like the east coast.
Should I try 20M by myself?
Hmmm
Barry


Re: Tuned up my wire

Paula K7PAX #1739
 

Yes, the low end is south. We shall soon see if it will work!

Paula

On Feb 13, 2018, at 9:19 AM, VA7GEM-1470 via Groups.Io <boat.anchor@...> wrote:

On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 02:57 pm, Paula K7PAX #1739 wrote:
Tuned up my wire

Well guys, I finally got some time to sit down and dink with my station. I used the Heathkit tuner to tune up that QSO king wire on 40, 80 and 160 meters and could achieve an SWR of 1.5:1 or less on all three.

So I can tune it whether or not Ill be able to do anything is another story time will tell. This time I have the low end about 10 up in a tree, coming off the 35 tower. Running roughly north/south.

 

Paula K7PAX #1739

Pula
I hope the low end is to the south.
GL de Barry


Re: Tuned up my wire

VA7GEM-1470 <boat.anchor@...>
 

On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 02:57 pm, Paula K7PAX #1739 wrote:
Tuned up my wire

Well guys, I finally got some time to sit down and dink with my station. I used the Heathkit tuner to tune up that QSO king wire on 40, 80 and 160 meters and could achieve an SWR of 1.5:1 or less on all three.

So I can tune it whether or not Ill be able to do anything is another story time will tell. This time I have the low end about 10 up in a tree, coming off the 35 tower. Running roughly north/south.

 

Paula K7PAX #1739

Pula
I hope the low end is to the south.
GL de Barry


Welcome

Jim K5SP
 

Please join me in welcoming our new PODXS070 member(s).  And just in time to join us in the Valentine's Sprint this evening. 

2599  Bill  AC0A

Jim, K5SP #483
Membership Director

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Member Services Director


Re: 40M

Jerry N9AVY
 

Probably drug runners ?





From: Mike Besemer - WM4B #348 <mwbesemer@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 9:00 PM
Subject: Re: [070Club] 40M

Speaking Spanish?  Probably fishing boats (or some other kind of boat).

I hear them every day.

Mike
WM4B

From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian (N2MLP)
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 9:40 PM
Subject: Re: [070Club] 40M

HEARING A VOICE STATION??

From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim K5SP
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 8:46 PM
Subject: Re: [070Club] 40M

Worked Nevada, and now seeing other traces.
--
Jim,  K5SP #483
Member Services Director








Re: 40M

Mike Besemer - WM4B #348 <mwbesemer@...>
 

Speaking Spanish? Probably fishing boats (or some other kind of boat).

I hear them every day.

Mike
WM4B

From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian (N2MLP)
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 9:40 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] 40M

HEARING A VOICE STATION??

From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim K5SP
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 8:46 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] 40M

Worked Nevada, and now seeing other traces.
--
Jim, K5SP #483
Member Services Director


Re: 40M

Brian (N2MLP)
 

HEARING A VOICE STATION??

 

From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim K5SP
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 8:46 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] 40M

 

Worked Nevada, and now seeing other traces.
--
Jim,  K5SP #483
Member Services Director


Re: 40M

Jim K5SP
 

Worked Nevada, and now seeing other traces.
--
Jim,  K5SP #483
Member Services Director


Re: 40M

Jim K5SP
 

Be there very shortly. 

JIM K5SP 



Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S®6 active, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: Matthew King - AK4MK <kk4cps@...>
Date: 2/12/18 7:12 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] 40M

Well, I saw one and tried to respond but he seemed to have some trouble.

I'm on to another one now.

You're right, though, there sure aren't many.... *sigh*

That'll be different tomorrow night, though! :-)

73

Matt King
AK4MK - 070 #1708
PODXS 070 Club Executive Director


On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 8:07 PM, Brian (N2MLP) <n2mlp@...> wrote:

 

SITTING ON 40M NOT ONE TRACE ON BAND



--
Jim,  K5SP #483
Member Services Director


Re: 40M

Matthew King - AK4MK
 

Well, I saw one and tried to respond but he seemed to have some trouble.

I'm on to another one now.

You're right, though, there sure aren't many.... *sigh*

That'll be different tomorrow night, though! :-)

73

Matt King
AK4MK - 070 #1708
PODXS 070 Club Executive Director


On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 8:07 PM, Brian (N2MLP) <n2mlp@...> wrote:

 

SITTING ON 40M NOT ONE TRACE ON BAND



40M

Brian (N2MLP)
 

 

SITTING ON 40M NOT ONE TRACE ON BAND


Re: Tomorrow

K8TOM
 


​Rollo our 070 WonderDog Valentine!  Excellent!


73 (es 88),
Tom
K8TOM


Re: RTTY QRO

Mike Besemer - WM4B #348 <mwbesemer@...>
 

Agreed.  Which makes them even bigger lids considering only 6 - 9 dB difference between 75 watts and most PSK power levels.  With that little difference, they should be able to hear the PSK stations and avoid them. 

Good operating practice ain't what is used to be.  Maybe the ham-crams leave that part out.

Mike
WM4B

On Feb 12, 2018 6:32 PM, Jim K5SP <jinnis@...> wrote:

Mike at least they report 75 watts or less, the veracity of their submissions is doubtful based upon the strength of the received signals for RTTY vs PSK and other modes at this QTH. 


Jim K5SP


On 2/12/2018 11:17 AM, Mike W0TMW wrote:

If you check the number of RTTY submissions to the contests, you'll find most of the RTTY contesters are not QRO. Most of them run 75 watts or less. Many/most(?) do have directional antennas, though.

Mike - W0TMW #2207

--

"Lose not thy airspeed, lest the ground rises up and smites thee."
  -- William Kershner
http://crucis-court.com
http://www.crucis.net/1632search
On 02/11/2018 07:01 PM, Jerry N9AVY wrote:
Many RTTY stations run anywhere from 500 to a full 1000 watts.
jerry


From: Mike Besemer - WM4B #348 <mwbesemer@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: [070Club] FT-8 Burnout ?

And when you think about it, the RTTY guys are probably running 12 – 18 dB more power than the majority of us, which equates to 2 – 3 S-units (ish).  A lot of times, they probably aren’t hearing us, but we’re sure hearing them!

At least with RTTY, I can switch modes and try to tell the gentleman at the other end that he just started CQing on top of me.  Can’t do that with FT8 - which is kind of a problem IMHO.  If there happens to be emergency traffic (or any traffic for that matter) going on and an FT8 station plops down there, how can you ask him to QSY (and tell him why)?

Mike
WM4B

From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Dan Morris
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 6:11 PM
Subject: Re: [070Club] FT-8 Burnout ?

Agreed here Mike.  I was having a PSK QSO on 40 meters yesterday 7.070 and there were a couple RTTY signals in the area but not where I was.  Then, right on top of me came this RTTY calling for the contest. I tried to continue my QSO but could not and then the idiot told me to basically QSY off ‘his’ frequency.  He had just too much power for me to stay where I was so I just turned the radio off!!!

Dan Morris  KZ3T

I live to live for Him!


On Feb 11, 2018, at 4:53 PM, Mike Besemer - WM4B #348 <mwbesemer@...> wrote:

In the U.S. the following applies:

§97.1  Basis and purpose.

The rules and regulations in this part are designed to provide an amateur radio service having a fundamental purpose as expressed in the following principles:

(a) Recognition and enhancement of the value of the amateur service to the public as a voluntary noncommercial communication service, particularly with respect to providing emergency communications.

(b) Continuation and extension of the amateur's proven ability to contribute to the advancement of the radio art.

(c) Encouragement and improvement of the amateur service through rules which provide for advancing skills in both the communication and technical phases of the art.

(d) Expansion of the existing reservoir within the amateur radio service of trained operators, technicians, and electronics experts.

(e) Continuation and extension of the amateur's unique ability to enhance international goodwill.

With regard to FT8, I'd say that b), and e) apply although IMHO FT8 is of no real value as a communications mode, except for serving those in our own hobby.  In other words, FT8 does meet with the 'advancement of radio art', but beyond that it is of no purpose.  It cannot be used for passing any useful type of traffic outside that used by the ham community (e.g. signal report and grid square). That's not to say that FT8 could not morph into something useful, but right now it's just a means of generating maximum QSO's with basically zero effort.  Bottom line is that FT8 is self-serving.

Honestly, if that's your cup of tea, then by all means have a ball.  BUT... please don't trample those of us who prefer other modes by invading our portion of the band.  I feel the same way about the RTTY'ers who decimated the PSK segment this weekend.  Even in the heyday of PSK, I don't remember us venturing outside our small band segment; I wish others would observe that same courtesy.

Yes, I've tried it.  Didn’t like it so I moved on... then went back to it to see if I'd missed something.  Still didn’t like it; doubt I'll go back.

Maybe it's because I grew up in ham radio when you had to KNOW something to get on the air.  RTTY meant you had a teleprinter in the shack.  SSTV meant a monitor with a P7 phosphor tube.  (Yes... I had both.)  Still, I'm not anti FT8... I'm just anti FT8 invading the portion of the band I happen to like to operate in.  But that's how society works now... if somebody like something, everyone else is forced to put up with it instead of those who like it enjoying  it on their own.

'nuff said.

Mike
WM4B

From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of David M (AJ4TF)
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 3:36 PM
Subject: Re: [070Club] FT-8 Burnout ?

Ham radio is about experimentation and advancing the state of the art.  If you don't want to operate FT-8 (or any other mode) then don't.  But complaining about others who do?  Step back and think about that.  It's a hobby for pete's sake.    de AJ4TF 














--
Jim, K5SP #483
Member Services Director


Re: RTTY QRO

Jerry N9AVY
 

Hmmm... and 30m is limited to 200 watts.



From: Jim K5SP <jinnis@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 5:32 PM
Subject: [070Club] RTTY QRO

Mike at least they report 75 watts or less, the veracity of their submissions is doubtful based upon the strength of the received signals for RTTY vs PSK and other modes at this QTH. 

Jim K5SP

On 2/12/2018 11:17 AM, Mike W0TMW wrote:
If you check the number of RTTY submissions to the contests, you'll find most of the RTTY contesters are not QRO. Most of them run 75 watts or less. Many/most(?) do have directional antennas, though.
Mike - W0TMW #2207
--

"Lose not thy airspeed, lest the ground rises up and smites thee."
  -- William Kershner
http://crucis-court.com
http://www.crucis.net/1632search
On 02/11/2018 07:01 PM, Jerry N9AVY wrote:
Many RTTY stations run anywhere from 500 to a full 1000 watts.
jerry


From: Mike Besemer - WM4B #348 <mwbesemer@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: [070Club] FT-8 Burnout ?

And when you think about it, the RTTY guys are probably running 12 – 18 dB more power than the majority of us, which equates to 2 – 3 S-units (ish).  A lot of times, they probably aren’t hearing us, but we’re sure hearing them!

At least with RTTY, I can switch modes and try to tell the gentleman at the other end that he just started CQing on top of me.  Can’t do that with FT8 - which is kind of a problem IMHO.  If there happens to be emergency traffic (or any traffic for that matter) going on and an FT8 station plops down there, how can you ask him to QSY (and tell him why)?

Mike
WM4B

From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Dan Morris
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 6:11 PM
Subject: Re: [070Club] FT-8 Burnout ?

Agreed here Mike.  I was having a PSK QSO on 40 meters yesterday 7.070 and there were a couple RTTY signals in the area but not where I was.  Then, right on top of me came this RTTY calling for the contest. I tried to continue my QSO but could not and then the idiot told me to basically QSY off ‘his’ frequency.  He had just too much power for me to stay where I was so I just turned the radio off!!!

Dan Morris  KZ3T

I live to live for Him!


On Feb 11, 2018, at 4:53 PM, Mike Besemer - WM4B #348 <mwbesemer@...> wrote:

In the U.S. the following applies:

§97.1  Basis and purpose.

The rules and regulations in this part are designed to provide an amateur radio service having a fundamental purpose as expressed in the following principles:

(a) Recognition and enhancement of the value of the amateur service to the public as a voluntary noncommercial communication service, particularly with respect to providing emergency communications.

(b) Continuation and extension of the amateur's proven ability to contribute to the advancement of the radio art.

(c) Encouragement and improvement of the amateur service through rules which provide for advancing skills in both the communication and technical phases of the art.

(d) Expansion of the existing reservoir within the amateur radio service of trained operators, technicians, and electronics experts.

(e) Continuation and extension of the amateur's unique ability to enhance international goodwill.

With regard to FT8, I'd say that b), and e) apply although IMHO FT8 is of no real value as a communications mode, except for serving those in our own hobby.  In other words, FT8 does meet with the 'advancement of radio art', but beyond that it is of no purpose.  It cannot be used for passing any useful type of traffic outside that used by the ham community (e.g. signal report and grid square). That's not to say that FT8 could not morph into something useful, but right now it's just a means of generating maximum QSO's with basically zero effort.  Bottom line is that FT8 is self-serving.

Honestly, if that's your cup of tea, then by all means have a ball.  BUT... please don't trample those of us who prefer other modes by invading our portion of the band.  I feel the same way about the RTTY'ers who decimated the PSK segment this weekend.  Even in the heyday of PSK, I don't remember us venturing outside our small band segment; I wish others would observe that same courtesy.

Yes, I've tried it.  Didn’t like it so I moved on... then went back to it to see if I'd missed something.  Still didn’t like it; doubt I'll go back.

Maybe it's because I grew up in ham radio when you had to KNOW something to get on the air.  RTTY meant you had a teleprinter in the shack.  SSTV meant a monitor with a P7 phosphor tube.  (Yes... I had both.)  Still, I'm not anti FT8... I'm just anti FT8 invading the portion of the band I happen to like to operate in.  But that's how society works now... if somebody like something, everyone else is forced to put up with it instead of those who like it enjoying  it on their own.

'nuff said.

Mike
WM4B

From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of David M (AJ4TF)
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 3:36 PM
Subject: Re: [070Club] FT-8 Burnout ?

Ham radio is about experimentation and advancing the state of the art.  If you don't want to operate FT-8 (or any other mode) then don't.  But complaining about others who do?  Step back and think about that.  It's a hobby for pete's sake.    de AJ4TF 














--
Jim,  K5SP #483
Member Services Director



Tomorrow

Rick - N7WE
 


--
Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602


RTTY QRO

Jim K5SP
 

Mike at least they report 75 watts or less, the veracity of their submissions is doubtful based upon the strength of the received signals for RTTY vs PSK and other modes at this QTH. 


Jim K5SP


On 2/12/2018 11:17 AM, Mike W0TMW wrote:

If you check the number of RTTY submissions to the contests, you'll find most of the RTTY contesters are not QRO. Most of them run 75 watts or less. Many/most(?) do have directional antennas, though.

Mike - W0TMW #2207

--

"Lose not thy airspeed, lest the ground rises up and smites thee."
  -- William Kershner
http://crucis-court.com
http://www.crucis.net/1632search
On 02/11/2018 07:01 PM, Jerry N9AVY wrote:
Many RTTY stations run anywhere from 500 to a full 1000 watts.
jerry


From: Mike Besemer - WM4B #348 <mwbesemer@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: [070Club] FT-8 Burnout ?

And when you think about it, the RTTY guys are probably running 12 – 18 dB more power than the majority of us, which equates to 2 – 3 S-units (ish).  A lot of times, they probably aren’t hearing us, but we’re sure hearing them!

At least with RTTY, I can switch modes and try to tell the gentleman at the other end that he just started CQing on top of me.  Can’t do that with FT8 - which is kind of a problem IMHO.  If there happens to be emergency traffic (or any traffic for that matter) going on and an FT8 station plops down there, how can you ask him to QSY (and tell him why)?

Mike
WM4B

From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Dan Morris
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 6:11 PM
Subject: Re: [070Club] FT-8 Burnout ?

Agreed here Mike.  I was having a PSK QSO on 40 meters yesterday 7.070 and there were a couple RTTY signals in the area but not where I was.  Then, right on top of me came this RTTY calling for the contest. I tried to continue my QSO but could not and then the idiot told me to basically QSY off ‘his’ frequency.  He had just too much power for me to stay where I was so I just turned the radio off!!!

Dan Morris  KZ3T

I live to live for Him!


On Feb 11, 2018, at 4:53 PM, Mike Besemer - WM4B #348 <mwbesemer@...> wrote:

In the U.S. the following applies:

§97.1  Basis and purpose.

The rules and regulations in this part are designed to provide an amateur radio service having a fundamental purpose as expressed in the following principles:

(a) Recognition and enhancement of the value of the amateur service to the public as a voluntary noncommercial communication service, particularly with respect to providing emergency communications.

(b) Continuation and extension of the amateur's proven ability to contribute to the advancement of the radio art.

(c) Encouragement and improvement of the amateur service through rules which provide for advancing skills in both the communication and technical phases of the art.

(d) Expansion of the existing reservoir within the amateur radio service of trained operators, technicians, and electronics experts.

(e) Continuation and extension of the amateur's unique ability to enhance international goodwill.

With regard to FT8, I'd say that b), and e) apply although IMHO FT8 is of no real value as a communications mode, except for serving those in our own hobby.  In other words, FT8 does meet with the 'advancement of radio art', but beyond that it is of no purpose.  It cannot be used for passing any useful type of traffic outside that used by the ham community (e.g. signal report and grid square). That's not to say that FT8 could not morph into something useful, but right now it's just a means of generating maximum QSO's with basically zero effort.  Bottom line is that FT8 is self-serving.

Honestly, if that's your cup of tea, then by all means have a ball.  BUT... please don't trample those of us who prefer other modes by invading our portion of the band.  I feel the same way about the RTTY'ers who decimated the PSK segment this weekend.  Even in the heyday of PSK, I don't remember us venturing outside our small band segment; I wish others would observe that same courtesy.

Yes, I've tried it.  Didn’t like it so I moved on... then went back to it to see if I'd missed something.  Still didn’t like it; doubt I'll go back.

Maybe it's because I grew up in ham radio when you had to KNOW something to get on the air.  RTTY meant you had a teleprinter in the shack.  SSTV meant a monitor with a P7 phosphor tube.  (Yes... I had both.)  Still, I'm not anti FT8... I'm just anti FT8 invading the portion of the band I happen to like to operate in.  But that's how society works now... if somebody like something, everyone else is forced to put up with it instead of those who like it enjoying  it on their own.

'nuff said.

Mike
WM4B

From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of David M (AJ4TF)
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 3:36 PM
Subject: Re: [070Club] FT-8 Burnout ?

Ham radio is about experimentation and advancing the state of the art.  If you don't want to operate FT-8 (or any other mode) then don't.  But complaining about others who do?  Step back and think about that.  It's a hobby for pete's sake.    de AJ4TF 














--
Jim,  K5SP #483
Member Services Director


Re: FT-8 Burnout ?

Jerry N9AVY
 

Discussion has been closed on this thread.



From: Douglas Dever <dougdever@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 11:35 AM
Subject: Re: [070Club] FT-8 Burnout ?

Who's not following the IARU Region 2 band plan?  I'm looking for where it spells out that 18.100 is reserved for PSK operations.
Jerry, the guys on 3.580 think they own that frequency too.  Congrats.

-doug

On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 12:05 AM, Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...> wrote:
Why not just let everyone go wild and operate where ever they want ... screw the band plan and the Part 97.
Oh, we just created another CB band !!!

Jerry  n9avy



From: Douglas Dever <dougdever@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 10:13 PM
Subject: Re: [070Club] FT-8 Burnout ?

Here's a novel idea, how about digital mode operators learn to spin that big dial on their radios?  For Pete's sake, the PSK guys think they should have a dedicated 3kHz, the JT-65 guys are using 3kHz, they could have gone to JT-9 and used a lot less bandwidth, but that didn't take off, the Olivia guys think they should have a defined frequency, the FT-8 guys think they should have a freq... and winlink just blasts over the top of everyone so that people rich enough to own boats but too cheap to pay for a commercial service can send HF e-mail and create QRM. :-)

Listening to PSK guys complain because someone started a digital mode than encroached on where they like to operate is kind of the pot calling the kettle black.

-doug
73 de AB8M



On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 5:08 PM, Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...> wrote:
The problem started when the 17 m frequency was arbitrarily picked as 18.100 which was a PSK31 frequency. Overnight it was flooded with FT-8 signals. PSK31 has been driven off that frequency and I have heard maybe 1 signal since.  FT-8 has also claimed frequencies for other digital modes and has created some hard feelings among other groups.

Perhaps there will be a decline in FT-8 activity after the ARRL Grids contest is over in 2019 ?  But the addition of the DXpedition mode for FT-8 may have unknowingly tossed a monkey wrench into this, because the knuckleheads will probably start using the DXpedition mode for regular contacts which may be problematic.

I just don't see anything positive in this FT-8 mode. 

jerry



From: David M (AJ4TF) <aj4tf@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: [070Club] FT-8 Burnout ?

I was referring more to the complaining that happens here, and in other similar groups.   You don't like FT-8?  Fine, that's your right, don't use it.  But don't complain about those that choose to experiment with new modes.   It is experimentation that keeps new people coming into the hobby, not "I wish all of these newfangled things would just go away, why can't it be like the old days?"

AJ4TF is QRT on this topic









Re: FT-8 Burnout ?

Douglas Dever <dougdever@...>
 

Who's not following the IARU Region 2 band plan?  I'm looking for where it spells out that 18.100 is reserved for PSK operations.
Jerry, the guys on 3.580 think they own that frequency too.  Congrats.

-doug

On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 12:05 AM, Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...> wrote:
Why not just let everyone go wild and operate where ever they want ... screw the band plan and the Part 97.
Oh, we just created another CB band !!!

Jerry  n9avy



From: Douglas Dever <dougdever@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 10:13 PM
Subject: Re: [070Club] FT-8 Burnout ?

Here's a novel idea, how about digital mode operators learn to spin that big dial on their radios?  For Pete's sake, the PSK guys think they should have a dedicated 3kHz, the JT-65 guys are using 3kHz, they could have gone to JT-9 and used a lot less bandwidth, but that didn't take off, the Olivia guys think they should have a defined frequency, the FT-8 guys think they should have a freq... and winlink just blasts over the top of everyone so that people rich enough to own boats but too cheap to pay for a commercial service can send HF e-mail and create QRM. :-)

Listening to PSK guys complain because someone started a digital mode than encroached on where they like to operate is kind of the pot calling the kettle black.

-doug
73 de AB8M



On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 5:08 PM, Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...> wrote:
The problem started when the 17 m frequency was arbitrarily picked as 18.100 which was a PSK31 frequency. Overnight it was flooded with FT-8 signals. PSK31 has been driven off that frequency and I have heard maybe 1 signal since.  FT-8 has also claimed frequencies for other digital modes and has created some hard feelings among other groups.

Perhaps there will be a decline in FT-8 activity after the ARRL Grids contest is over in 2019 ?  But the addition of the DXpedition mode for FT-8 may have unknowingly tossed a monkey wrench into this, because the knuckleheads will probably start using the DXpedition mode for regular contacts which may be problematic.

I just don't see anything positive in this FT-8 mode. 

jerry



From: David M (AJ4TF) <aj4tf@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: [070Club] FT-8 Burnout ?

I was referring more to the complaining that happens here, and in other similar groups.   You don't like FT-8?  Fine, that's your right, don't use it.  But don't complain about those that choose to experiment with new modes.   It is experimentation that keeps new people coming into the hobby, not "I wish all of these newfangled things would just go away, why can't it be like the old days?"

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Re: FT-8 Burnout ?

Mike - W0TMW #2207
 

If you check the number of RTTY submissions to the contests, you'll find most of the RTTY contesters are not QRO. Most of them run 75 watts or less. Many/most(?) do have directional antennas, though.

Mike - W0TMW #2207

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On 02/11/2018 07:01 PM, Jerry N9AVY wrote:

Many RTTY stations run anywhere from 500 to a full 1000 watts.
jerry


From: Mike Besemer - WM4B #348 <mwbesemer@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: [070Club] FT-8 Burnout ?

And when you think about it, the RTTY guys are probably running 12 – 18 dB more power than the majority of us, which equates to 2 – 3 S-units (ish).  A lot of times, they probably aren’t hearing us, but we’re sure hearing them!

At least with RTTY, I can switch modes and try to tell the gentleman at the other end that he just started CQing on top of me.  Can’t do that with FT8 - which is kind of a problem IMHO.  If there happens to be emergency traffic (or any traffic for that matter) going on and an FT8 station plops down there, how can you ask him to QSY (and tell him why)?

Mike
WM4B

From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Dan Morris
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 6:11 PM
Subject: Re: [070Club] FT-8 Burnout ?

Agreed here Mike.  I was having a PSK QSO on 40 meters yesterday 7.070 and there were a couple RTTY signals in the area but not where I was.  Then, right on top of me came this RTTY calling for the contest. I tried to continue my QSO but could not and then the idiot told me to basically QSY off ‘his’ frequency.  He had just too much power for me to stay where I was so I just turned the radio off!!!

Dan Morris  KZ3T

I live to live for Him!


On Feb 11, 2018, at 4:53 PM, Mike Besemer - WM4B #348 <mwbesemer@...> wrote:

In the U.S. the following applies:

§97.1  Basis and purpose.

The rules and regulations in this part are designed to provide an amateur radio service having a fundamental purpose as expressed in the following principles:

(a) Recognition and enhancement of the value of the amateur service to the public as a voluntary noncommercial communication service, particularly with respect to providing emergency communications.

(b) Continuation and extension of the amateur's proven ability to contribute to the advancement of the radio art.

(c) Encouragement and improvement of the amateur service through rules which provide for advancing skills in both the communication and technical phases of the art.

(d) Expansion of the existing reservoir within the amateur radio service of trained operators, technicians, and electronics experts.

(e) Continuation and extension of the amateur's unique ability to enhance international goodwill.

With regard to FT8, I'd say that b), and e) apply although IMHO FT8 is of no real value as a communications mode, except for serving those in our own hobby.  In other words, FT8 does meet with the 'advancement of radio art', but beyond that it is of no purpose.  It cannot be used for passing any useful type of traffic outside that used by the ham community (e.g. signal report and grid square). That's not to say that FT8 could not morph into something useful, but right now it's just a means of generating maximum QSO's with basically zero effort.  Bottom line is that FT8 is self-serving.

Honestly, if that's your cup of tea, then by all means have a ball.  BUT... please don't trample those of us who prefer other modes by invading our portion of the band.  I feel the same way about the RTTY'ers who decimated the PSK segment this weekend.  Even in the heyday of PSK, I don't remember us venturing outside our small band segment; I wish others would observe that same courtesy.

Yes, I've tried it.  Didn’t like it so I moved on... then went back to it to see if I'd missed something.  Still didn’t like it; doubt I'll go back.

Maybe it's because I grew up in ham radio when you had to KNOW something to get on the air.  RTTY meant you had a teleprinter in the shack.  SSTV meant a monitor with a P7 phosphor tube.  (Yes... I had both.)  Still, I'm not anti FT8... I'm just anti FT8 invading the portion of the band I happen to like to operate in.  But that's how society works now... if somebody like something, everyone else is forced to put up with it instead of those who like it enjoying  it on their own.

'nuff said.

Mike
WM4B

From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of David M (AJ4TF)
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 3:36 PM
Subject: Re: [070Club] FT-8 Burnout ?

Ham radio is about experimentation and advancing the state of the art.  If you don't want to operate FT-8 (or any other mode) then don't.  But complaining about others who do?  Step back and think about that.  It's a hobby for pete's sake.    de AJ4TF 













Re: FT-8 Burnout ?

Matthew King - AK4MK
 

The tone of this thread has taken a decidedly negative turn, so let's just consider it wrapped up, please.

73

Matt King
AK4MK - 070 #1708
PODXS 070 Club Executive Director



On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 12:10 AM, Brian (N2MLP) <n2mlp@...> wrote:

Who not following the band plan?

 

From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Jerry N9AVY
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 12:06 AM
To: 070Club@groups.io


Subject: Re: [070Club] FT-8 Burnout ?

 

Why not just let everyone go wild and operate where ever they want ... screw the band plan and the Part 97.

Oh, we just created another CB band !!!

 

Jerry  n9avy

 


From: Douglas Dever <dougdever@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 10:13 PM
Subject: Re: [070Club] FT-8 Burnout ?

 

Here's a novel idea, how about digital mode operators learn to spin that big dial on their radios?  For Pete's sake, the PSK guys think they should have a dedicated 3kHz, the JT-65 guys are using 3kHz, they could have gone to JT-9 and used a lot less bandwidth, but that didn't take off, the Olivia guys think they should have a defined frequency, the FT-8 guys think they should have a freq... and winlink just blasts over the top of everyone so that people rich enough to own boats but too cheap to pay for a commercial service can send HF e-mail and create QRM. :-)

 

Listening to PSK guys complain because someone started a digital mode than encroached on where they like to operate is kind of the pot calling the kettle black.

 

-doug

73 de AB8M

 

 

 

On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 5:08 PM, Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...> wrote:

The problem started when the 17 m frequency was arbitrarily picked as 18.100 which was a PSK31 frequency. Overnight it was flooded with FT-8 signals. PSK31 has been driven off that frequency and I have heard maybe 1 signal since.  FT-8 has also claimed frequencies for other digital modes and has created some hard feelings among other groups.

 

Perhaps there will be a decline in FT-8 activity after the ARRL Grids contest is over in 2019 ?  But the addition of the DXpedition mode for FT-8 may have unknowingly tossed a monkey wrench into this, because the knuckleheads will probably start using the DXpedition mode for regular contacts which may be problematic.

 

I just don't see anything positive in this FT-8 mode. 

 

jerry

 


From: David M (AJ4TF) <aj4tf@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: [070Club] FT-8 Burnout ?

 

I was referring more to the complaining that happens here, and in other similar groups.   You don't like FT-8?  Fine, that's your right, don't use it.  But don't complain about those that choose to experiment with new modes.   It is experimentation that keeps new people coming into the hobby, not "I wish all of these newfangled things would just go away, why can't it be like the old days?"

AJ4TF is QRT on this topic

 

 

 


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