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FT8 solution

Justin Mattes--KC2GIK
 

I have a serious question to ask and don't need to hear, "...because it's
against the rules". Why can't the digital modes take up more spectrum?
We're cramped while th CW folks have what seems to be a lot more roopm
than the need nor use


Justin Mattes-KC2GIK
http://www.justinmattes.com


Re: FT8 - We have been heard

Charles Odom, KI4VMK # 2542
 

Thanks, Irv for that info appreciate what you did. Sounds like a better response than I got from my Section Manager 
--
Charles, KI4VMK 
#2542 


Re: FT8 - We have been heard

Ray Clements
 


This weekend, I worked FT8 for the very first time. I also worked PSK31 (and PSK63) after being off the air for many months. I had fun working both modes, although PSK is still my favorite. Whereas JT65 was too boring, FT8 is rather hectic as you have precious little time to answer a CQ.

In general, the PSK stations were on their frequencies and the FT8 stations were on their frequencies. There were a couple of incursions. The only time I saw a serious conflict was on 17 meters. Both PSK and FT8 are working at 18.100. However, with the bandwidth assigned to digital stations on 17 meter WARC band ranging only from 18.095-18.105, competition for bandwidth is to be expected.

I believe the incursion of FT8 into the normal .070 frequencies may be due to experimental use of the DXpedition mode. The normal mode uses .074 as the normal frequency for FT8 on the 10m, 15m, 20m, and 40m bands.  
 
Ray N9RWC


------ Original Message ------
Received: 03:31 PM CDT, 03/31/2018
From: "Irv [K3IRV] McWherter" <irv47mc@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: [070Club] FT8 - We have been heard


Today I went to the ARRL NC State Convention held at the Raleigh Amateur Radio Society (RARS) hamfest in Raleigh, NC.  Early in the morning I spoke with Bill Morine N2COP, the Roanoke Division Vice Director, about the frustrations of PSKers with the infringement of the PSK frequencies by the FT8 operators, etc.  The thoughts he shared with me at that time were exactly the same thoughts he later presented to those in attendance at the ARRL Open Forum.

Amateur Radio Operators who send rants to Section Managers, Vice Division Directors and Division Directors in divisions other than their own really do not bear well for the issue at hand.  If you have issues, of any kind on an issue with the ARRL, make those issues known to the people in your section and your division.

The FT8 Issue:

1.  People in leadership positions within the ARRL have received hundreds of emails and letters from people like us expressing their frustration about the blatant disregard for frequency allocation for digital operations, e.g., conflict between PSK and FT8 operations.  They are aware.

2.  The ARRL recommends the frequencies for the different modes, etc, but the ARRL does not regulate operations. 

3.  In coming weeks the ARRL will be providing information in the rules for the ARRL International Grid Chase and for contests that allow FT8 operations explaining the band plans/operating frequencies and encouraging operators to be mindful of others using different modes when operating.

4.  It appears that a significant amount of the offenders are DX stations operating with US stations.  The ARRL does not have any authority over where DX stations operate. 

5.  Official Observers may become involved in monitoring the issue, but unless an individual is a chronic offender and unless the offenses have been documented, probably very little will happen.

The above for sure in not a verbatim of our conversations, or transcripted from a recording.  This is my interpretation of what I felt Bill Morine explained to me and to the ARRL Open Forum.

My thoughts:

A.  Keep up the emails and letters, in a professional manner and tone, to our elected officials asking for intervention in this issue.

B.  Make sure you go to a hamfest or two in your area where the Section Manager and those above him attend and speak to them on the side - one on one - and explain your feelings.  A friend of mine was a staffer for a Senator and he told me politicians look at it like this:  One letter is worth 1,000 phone calls and a face to face discussion is worth 1,000 letters.

73, Irv - K3IRV
#2600









FT8 - We have been heard

Irv [K3IRV] McWherter
 

Today I went to the ARRL NC State Convention held at the Raleigh Amateur Radio Society (RARS) hamfest in Raleigh, NC.  Early in the morning I spoke with Bill Morine N2COP, the Roanoke Division Vice Director, about the frustrations of PSKers with the infringement of the PSK frequencies by the FT8 operators, etc.  The thoughts he shared with me at that time were exactly the same thoughts he later presented to those in attendance at the ARRL Open Forum.

Amateur Radio Operators who send rants to Section Managers, Vice Division Directors and Division Directors in divisions other than their own really do not bear well for the issue at hand.  If you have issues, of any kind on an issue with the ARRL, make those issues known to the people in your section and your division.

The FT8 Issue:

1.  People in leadership positions within the ARRL have received hundreds of emails and letters from people like us expressing their frustration about the blatant disregard for frequency allocation for digital operations, e.g., conflict between PSK and FT8 operations.  They are aware.

2.  The ARRL recommends the frequencies for the different modes, etc, but the ARRL does not regulate operations. 

3.  In coming weeks the ARRL will be providing information in the rules for the ARRL International Grid Chase and for contests that allow FT8 operations explaining the band plans/operating frequencies and encouraging operators to be mindful of others using different modes when operating.

4.  It appears that a significant amount of the offenders are DX stations operating with US stations.  The ARRL does not have any authority over where DX stations operate. 

5.  Official Observers may become involved in monitoring the issue, but unless an individual is a chronic offender and unless the offenses have been documented, probably very little will happen.

The above for sure in not a verbatim of our conversations, or transcripted from a recording.  This is my interpretation of what I felt Bill Morine explained to me and to the ARRL Open Forum.

My thoughts:

A.  Keep up the emails and letters, in a professional manner and tone, to our elected officials asking for intervention in this issue.

B.  Make sure you go to a hamfest or two in your area where the Section Manager and those above him attend and speak to them on the side - one on one - and explain your feelings.  A friend of mine was a staffer for a Senator and he told me politicians look at it like this:  One letter is worth 1,000 phone calls and a face to face discussion is worth 1,000 letters.

73, Irv - K3IRV
#2600







Re: April 366 – Finish Line in Sight for Two Members!

Jerry N9AVY
 

This is the way to do it !  Everyone go for it.

Jerry  n9avy



From: Rick - N7WE <n7we1980@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2018 1:51 PM
Subject: Re: [070Club] April 366 – Finish Line in Sight for Two Members!

You're very welcome Geary.  This endorsement began January 1, 2016 - which just happened to be a leap year.  There were 9 people who completed it straight through that first year.  2017 saw 21 more finish it.  So far this year there has only been one more person complete, but there are many more actively persuing it and on track to get it done by December 31, 2018.

There are a several things that people have found helpful in making the run.  First, you can work the same station again and again on different days - kind of "buddy up."  Second, most people try to get their contact for the day as close to 0000 as they can.  That leaves almost 24 hours to recover if things go off track.  Third, you will always have things come up that makes it difficult, if not impossible, to get to your shack!  Some of the solutions people have come up with include having mobile HF capability in their vehicle, operating portable (often needed for family vacations), and even using things like TeamViewer and RemoteRig to operate their station remotely.  If I remember right, Paula K7PAX completed by operating her shack using her tablet and TeamViewer when she couldn't get to the radio room because of knee replacement surgery!  Even though he lives in Pennsylvania, Steve W3HF belongs to a radio club in Colorado and has often used there club facilities for a 366 contact when work takes him out there.  It only takes one short sweet QSO in the log to fill the day. And finally, learning what bands work at which times from you location makes things a lot lot easier.  Knowing when to switch from 20m to 40m and then down to 80m can help a lot.

Even with the solar cycle near minimum, you can almost always find someone somewhere on the bands.  Just look at the number of people who have completed the 24/7 Endorsement.  That one's a dilly because it requires working a PSK31 QSO in each of the 168 one-hour time blocks that make up an entire week!  Not easy, but it can and has been done.  We'll save that discussion for a later post. 

From the Progress Checker as of Feb. 27 you already have 59 days credited toward 366 .  By now you are probably very close to the first 90 day level endorsement  So go for it!  Lots of us will be watching for you and happy to help by answering your CQ.
--
Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602



Re: contest

Jerry N9AVY
 

Woof !



From: Randy True <w4rttrandy@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2018 12:05 PM
Subject: Re: [070Club] contest

You're a sick puppy.

Randy W4RTT



From: 070Club@groups.io <070Club@groups.io> on behalf of Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...>
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2018 1:03 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] contest
 
It was a pre- April Fool's Day prank ! 
Jerry  N9AVY


From: Stephen Melachrinos <melachri@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2018 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: [070Club] contest

I was just about to mention that.

Rick's "next weekend" announcement last night did not mean today.

:-)

Steve
W3HF


-----Original Message-----
From: Randy True <w4rttrandy@...>
To: 070Club <070Club@groups.io>
Sent: Sat, Mar 31, 2018 12:50 pm
Subject: Re: [070Club] contest

I have the wrong weekend, I guess. Imagine that 😠

Randy W4RTT



From: 070Club@groups.io <070Club@groups.io> on behalf of Randy True <w4rttrandy@...>
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2018 12:20 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: [070Club] contest
 
Has anyone else started? I'm not seeing any conterters.


Randy W4RTT





Re: April 366 – Finish Line in Sight for Two Members!

Geary McDowell
 

Thanks for explaining what this is.  I was wondering the other day if it had to be within a year or not.  I try to make at least one or two PSK contacts a day, only about 80% successful with that.
73, Geary KE5IRK

On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 8:34 AM, Rick - N7WE <n7we1980@...> wrote:

It’s time to look ahead at the month of April and who might complete the 366 Endorsement.  For our recent new members, the 366 endorsement requires that you complete a PSK31 QSO on each day of the calendar year.  Then to make it tough, you need to add a PSK31 QSO on Leap Day…doable only once every 4 years!  No time limit on this one so if you miss a day, you can pick it up the following year.  Unless of course it was Leap Day.  Quite a challenge!  So far, only 31 of our over 2600 members have completed this one.

This month, two members can possible complete.  First up is Paul - N1KRC – whose magic date is April 25.  The very next day, April 26, Steve – W3HF - can cross the finish line.  It has been a massive effort for both these gentlemen.  If you see them calling CQ on their magic date, please answer their call.  You might be the station that puts them in the record book!

PS – There are endorsement levels at 90, 180, 270, 360, and 365 in addition to the magic 366.  Check out where you stand on the 070 Award Checker.  

--
Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602




--
When all else fails, Amateur Radio works.


Re: contest

Rick - N7WE
 

Oops!  My apologies.  I will try to be more specific in the future and include the actual date.  For me anymore the weekend always started yesterday and runs through tomorrow!  Oh the joys of being old, retired, almost senile!
--
Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602


Re: contest

Randy True
 

You're a sick puppy.


Randy W4RTT




From: 070Club@groups.io <070Club@groups.io> on behalf of Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...>
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2018 1:03 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] contest
 
It was a pre- April Fool's Day prank ! 
Jerry  N9AVY


From: Stephen Melachrinos <melachri@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2018 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: [070Club] contest

I was just about to mention that.

Rick's "next weekend" announcement last night did not mean today.

:-)

Steve
W3HF


-----Original Message-----
From: Randy True <w4rttrandy@...>
To: 070Club <070Club@groups.io>
Sent: Sat, Mar 31, 2018 12:50 pm
Subject: Re: [070Club] contest

I have the wrong weekend, I guess. Imagine that 😠

Randy W4RTT



From: 070Club@groups.io <070Club@groups.io> on behalf of Randy True <w4rttrandy@...>
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2018 12:20 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: [070Club] contest
 
Has anyone else started? I'm not seeing any conterters.


Randy W4RTT



Re: contest

Jerry N9AVY
 

It was a pre- April Fool's Day prank ! 
Jerry  N9AVY


From: Stephen Melachrinos <melachri@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2018 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: [070Club] contest

I was just about to mention that.

Rick's "next weekend" announcement last night did not mean today.

:-)

Steve
W3HF


-----Original Message-----
From: Randy True <w4rttrandy@...>
To: 070Club <070Club@groups.io>
Sent: Sat, Mar 31, 2018 12:50 pm
Subject: Re: [070Club] contest

I have the wrong weekend, I guess. Imagine that 😠

Randy W4RTT



From: 070Club@groups.io <070Club@groups.io> on behalf of Randy True <w4rttrandy@...>
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2018 12:20 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: [070Club] contest
 
Has anyone else started? I'm not seeing any conterters.


Randy W4RTT



Re: contest

Stephen Melachrinos
 

I was just about to mention that.

Rick's "next weekend" announcement last night did not mean today.

:-)

Steve
W3HF


-----Original Message-----
From: Randy True <w4rttrandy@...>
To: 070Club <070Club@groups.io>
Sent: Sat, Mar 31, 2018 12:50 pm
Subject: Re: [070Club] contest

I have the wrong weekend, I guess. Imagine that 😠

Randy W4RTT



From: 070Club@groups.io <070Club@groups.io> on behalf of Randy True <w4rttrandy@...>
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2018 12:20 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: [070Club] contest
 
Has anyone else started? I'm not seeing any conterters.


Randy W4RTT


Re: contest

Randy True
 

I have the wrong weekend, I guess. Imagine that 😠


Randy W4RTT




From: 070Club@groups.io <070Club@groups.io> on behalf of Randy True <w4rttrandy@...>
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2018 12:20 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: [070Club] contest
 

Has anyone else started? I'm not seeing any conterters.



Randy W4RTT


contest

Randy True
 

Has anyone else started? I'm not seeing any conterters.



Randy W4RTT


Re: contest

Mike Besemer - WM4B #348 <mwbesemer@...>
 

Love it!

 

Mike

WM4B

 

From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy True
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2018 10:27 AM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: [070Club] contest

 

The Russians are having a PSK63 contest this weekend also.

Gonna be a busy waterfall.

 

 

Randy W4RTT


contest

Randy True
 

The Russians are having a PSK63 contest this weekend also.

Gonna be a busy waterfall.



Randy W4RTT


April 366 – Finish Line in Sight for Two Members!

Rick - N7WE
 

It’s time to look ahead at the month of April and who might complete the 366 Endorsement.  For our recent new members, the 366 endorsement requires that you complete a PSK31 QSO on each day of the calendar year.  Then to make it tough, you need to add a PSK31 QSO on Leap Day…doable only once every 4 years!  No time limit on this one so if you miss a day, you can pick it up the following year.  Unless of course it was Leap Day.  Quite a challenge!  So far, only 31 of our over 2600 members have completed this one.

This month, two members can possible complete.  First up is Paul - N1KRC – whose magic date is April 25.  The very next day, April 26, Steve – W3HF - can cross the finish line.  It has been a massive effort for both these gentlemen.  If you see them calling CQ on their magic date, please answer their call.  You might be the station that puts them in the record book!

PS – There are endorsement levels at 90, 180, 270, 360, and 365 in addition to the magic 366.  Check out where you stand on the 070 Award Checker.  

--
Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602


Re: Welcome

bowerjohn41 <poppajohnbower@...>
 

Welcome Christi & Dave
Look forward to meeting you on the waterfall.
John KE4JB

On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 10:37 PM, Christi Feldewerth <kg7nad@...> wrote:
Welcome Dave!

Christi


On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 4:39 PM, Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...> wrote:
Welcome aboard Dave  !  

Jerry  n9avy



From: Jim K5SP <jinnis@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 6:37 PM
Subject: [070Club] Welcome

Please join me in welcoming our new PODXS070 member(s).

2617  Dave  AC7FF
Jim, K5SP #483
Membership Director

--
Jim,  K5SP #483
Member Services Director





Re: Welcome

Christi Feldewerth
 

Welcome Dave!

Christi


On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 4:39 PM, Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...> wrote:
Welcome aboard Dave  !  

Jerry  n9avy



From: Jim K5SP <jinnis@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 6:37 PM
Subject: [070Club] Welcome

Please join me in welcoming our new PODXS070 member(s).

2617  Dave  AC7FF
Jim, K5SP #483
Membership Director

--
Jim,  K5SP #483
Member Services Director




Re: Contest! Contest!

Dan Morris - KZ3T
 

Welcome Dave, You will love this group !!!

Dan Morris  KZ3T  070-1065






On Mar 30, 2018, at 9:48 AM, Rick - N7WE <n7we1980@...> wrote:

Get ready!  It’s the only 070 contest that includes other PSK modes besides PSK31.  And it is coming next weekend.  Test your software.  Edit your macros.  Tune up your 20m antenna.  The wise contester will use as many PSK variants as possible!  Come one, come all!  Open to members and non-members alike.  Tell your friends!

Check the rules.  Click Here.  Pick your 6 hour block.  Check out last year’s results.  They're here.  Select your category – 3 power levels to choose from.  Plot your strategy!

Logs will be due within one week using the online contest scorer.

--
Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602


Re: Welcome

Jerry N9AVY
 

Welcome aboard Dave  !  

Jerry  n9avy



From: Jim K5SP <jinnis@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 6:37 PM
Subject: [070Club] Welcome

Please join me in welcoming our new PODXS070 member(s).

2617  Dave  AC7FF
Jim, K5SP #483
Membership Director

--
Jim,  K5SP #483
Member Services Director


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