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Re: Antenna TESTING AND UPCOMING tdw

Stephen Melachrinos
 


Regarding code testing...

- All amateur licenses required code tests prior to 1991. Code speed was dependent on license class--5 wpm for Novice and Tech, 13 wpm for General and Advanced, and 20 wpm for Extra. (There were different rules prior to 1951, but most of us weren't licensed then.)

- Starting in 1991, a no-code Tech license was available, restricted to 50 MHz and above because international rules required Morse proficiency for HF privileges. Techs who had passed the 5 wpm code test were (eventually) re-classified as Technician Plus.

- On 15 April 2000, the massive change known as License Restructuring went into effect. Part of this was declaring that no new Novice or Advanced Licenses would be issued (though renewals could continue), but perhaps more significant was the elimination of the 13 wpm and 20 wpm code tests. So all remaining license classes that required code (Tech Plus, Advanced, or Extra) only required 5 wpm.

- In 2007, all code tests were eliminated. 

References:

http://ac6v.com/history.php

http://www.arrl.org/recent-fcc-actions

Steve
W3HF


Re: Antenna TESTING AND UPCOMING tdw

Ron Bosch
 

Tom,
Until 2003/2004 you needed to pass Element 1 to get general, if you had an NC Tech licence and passed Element 1, but not element 3,  you were called Tech Plus.  After July 2003, WRC dropped all code requirements for Amateur radio licenses, and the US soon followed.  After April 2000, no more advanced licenses were issued, but any advanced was grandfathered.  Between 1992/1993 and 2003/2004 the only code requirement was element 1 (5 WPM).

Ron
KE4DRF


On Thu, May 13, 2021 at 5:49 PM Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...> wrote:
Unless they gave me credit for 13 wpm when I was an Advanced in 1979.   Hmmmm....

Jerry  n9avy

On Thursday, May 13, 2021, 05:27:48 PM CDT, Eric KG6MZS <contact@...> wrote:



Really?  I took my General in 2004 and still had to pass the code
requirement.  Perhaps not for Extra.  Admittedly I was one of the last
Code Generals.

73 Eric KG6MZS

On 5/13/21 2:13 PM, Jerry N9AVY wrote:
> Took my Extra in 2000 and the code had been dropped






Re: Antenna TESTING AND UPCOMING tdw

Jerry N9AVY
 

Unless they gave me credit for 13 wpm when I was an Advanced in 1979.   Hmmmm....

Jerry  n9avy

On Thursday, May 13, 2021, 05:27:48 PM CDT, Eric KG6MZS <contact@...> wrote:



Really?  I took my General in 2004 and still had to pass the code
requirement.  Perhaps not for Extra.  Admittedly I was one of the last
Code Generals.

73 Eric KG6MZS

On 5/13/21 2:13 PM, Jerry N9AVY wrote:
> Took my Extra in 2000 and the code had been dropped






Re: Band plan

Jerry N9AVY
 

Ron:

We all screw up at some point and that is why we're called "Amateurs".   If we never screwed up we'd be "Professionsals" and much would be expected of us  Emoji.

If/wen you screw up just hope no one saw it or were too nice to mention it. That's always my hope.

Jerry  n9avy 

On Thursday, May 13, 2021, 05:05:35 PM CDT, Ron Bosch <boschfamily@...> wrote:


Jerry,
I appreciate the last comment!  I try to be considerate, but often I screw it up, either through ignorance or because the automatic nature of digital is faster than my fingers work.  Rest assured that it is not through intent, but either ignorance or lack of dexterity.

Ron
KE4DRF

On Thu, May 13, 2021 at 4:53 PM Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...> wrote:
The ARRL Band Plan is only a collection of suggestions and is not carved in stone. Has nothing to do with FCC.  It was an attempt to make some order out of chaos.

Notch filters work well as do filters.  Bet that many do not use either one.  It's always about who gets there first and being "gentlemanly".   One of the things which annoys me is when answering a CQ from another station on his CQ frequency is when another station calls me.  I tend to treat the frequency as the original CQ'ers frequency and try to move out of the way, but many ops are impatient and want that "instant gratification" QSO. But I do slip up occasionally and someone might catch me.  

my 2 cents worth ...

Jerry  n9avy 


Re: Antenna TESTING AND UPCOMING tdw

Bill Williams
 

I passed element 2 (Technician) and element 3 (General) on 2/11/2002 and was awarded the Technician license.  I passed element 1 (5 wpm code) on 3-1-2002 and got the General license.  It is all right there on my CSCE forms.  I thought everyone kept them, we were told to as proof of examination and I still tell people to keep them when I am on a VE team.

73,
Bill
AG4QX
0398

On Thu, May 13, 2021 at 6:32 PM K8TOM <tsingle@...> wrote:
2006 General for me and code test was required.

Tom 
K8TOM
815


Re: Antenna TESTING AND UPCOMING tdw

K8TOM
 

2006 General for me and code test was required.

Tom 
K8TOM
815


Re: Antenna TESTING AND UPCOMING tdw

Eric KG6MZS
 

Really?  I took my General in 2004 and still had to pass the code requirement.  Perhaps not for Extra.  Admittedly I was one of the last Code Generals.

73 Eric KG6MZS

On 5/13/21 2:13 PM, Jerry N9AVY wrote:
Took my Extra in 2000 and the code had been dropped


Re: Band plan

Ron Bosch
 

Jerry,
I appreciate the last comment!  I try to be considerate, but often I screw it up, either through ignorance or because the automatic nature of digital is faster than my fingers work.  Rest assured that it is not through intent, but either ignorance or lack of dexterity.

Ron
KE4DRF


On Thu, May 13, 2021 at 4:53 PM Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...> wrote:
The ARRL Band Plan is only a collection of suggestions and is not carved in stone. Has nothing to do with FCC.  It was an attempt to make some order out of chaos.

Notch filters work well as do filters.  Bet that many do not use either one.  It's always about who gets there first and being "gentlemanly".   One of the things which annoys me is when answering a CQ from another station on his CQ frequency is when another station calls me.  I tend to treat the frequency as the original CQ'ers frequency and try to move out of the way, but many ops are impatient and want that "instant gratification" QSO. But I do slip up occasionally and someone might catch me.  

my 2 cents worth ...

Jerry  n9avy 


Band plan

Jerry N9AVY
 

The ARRL Band Plan is only a collection of suggestions and is not carved in stone. Has nothing to do with FCC.  It was an attempt to make some order out of chaos.

Notch filters work well as do filters.  Bet that many do not use either one.  It's always about who gets there first and being "gentlemanly".   One of the things which annoys me is when answering a CQ from another station on his CQ frequency is when another station calls me.  I tend to treat the frequency as the original CQ'ers frequency and try to move out of the way, but many ops are impatient and want that "instant gratification" QSO. But I do slip up occasionally and someone might catch me.  

my 2 cents worth ...

Jerry  n9avy 


Re: 80m PSK31 and W1AW

Jim K5SP
 

Yes, please refrain from the thread turning into a flaming or arguing thread.  

As for the w1aw qrm, my rig, and most rigs today have a feature that I frequently use to reduce qrm. It's uniquely known as a "notch filter ". Try it you might like it.

73
Jim K5SP 

On May 13, 2021 4:28 PM, GA - Bob - K4VBM <ptcorners@...> wrote:
Just have to pipe up here - and not looking to start an argument, or a long thread where everyone has to comment, so please don't even if you're tempted.  If you disagree, start your own thread please.

We are all licensed amateur radio operators, and are supposed to know the FCC regulations.

If W1AW is running on its little 500Hz piece of the 80m band, I don't understand why a good PSK31 operator cannot find some bandwidth on either side far enough away to co-exist like all hams are supposed to know how to do?  Band plan allocations are suggestions (we all know how FT8 and FT4 have moved into areas commonly used for a long time by other modes).  To say that you cannot do PSK31 on 80m during the week when W1AW is doing code broadcasts is absolute nonsense.  If someone is using a particular frequency, then just find another one that is open - you always  check before you transmit and QRL, right?   Many people don't, and it's the regulation so you don't interfere with an existing QSO.  We know this stuff.  And it really hacks me when people think that a particular mode "owns" a frequency range - it really doesn't - it's who gets there first - there's just not enough space sometimes and that's OK too - we share - we're hams and we follow the rules.  It's nice to have a starting place to look, and it all works so nice when people follow that band plan, but it will never be perfect because of all the people and all the modes.  We have online chats for real time QSO hook-ups - why not use it to find that open 80m frequency during the week for PSK31 when W1AW is doing its thing?  Online chat works really well for things like that because it is REAL TIME communication and not emails.  Learn how if you don't already.

And imagine what it will be like when propagation comes back?  Hopefully we all will be good hams and follow the rules that have always been there.

My 2 cents.

Bob
K4VBM (Very Bad Memory)

On 5/13/2021 4:58 PM, Rick - N7WE wrote:
14 years after full "no-code" licensing and with all the online code practice (including ARRL's contribution) and things like CW Academy, I have to wonder how many people are regularly using W1AW code broadcasts.  It sure does screw up 80m PSK in the evenings here - Monday thru Friday.  

Milt, they don't broadcast on Sat or Sun, so that would be the best evenings to test 80m to the east.
--
Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602



--
Jim,  K5SP #483
Executive Director/Member Services Director


80m PSK31 and W1AW

GA - Bob - K4VBM
 

Just have to pipe up here - and not looking to start an argument, or a long thread where everyone has to comment, so please don't even if you're tempted.  If you disagree, start your own thread please.

We are all licensed amateur radio operators, and are supposed to know the FCC regulations.

If W1AW is running on its little 500Hz piece of the 80m band, I don't understand why a good PSK31 operator cannot find some bandwidth on either side far enough away to co-exist like all hams are supposed to know how to do?  Band plan allocations are suggestions (we all know how FT8 and FT4 have moved into areas commonly used for a long time by other modes).  To say that you cannot do PSK31 on 80m during the week when W1AW is doing code broadcasts is absolute nonsense.  If someone is using a particular frequency, then just find another one that is open - you always  check before you transmit and QRL, right?   Many people don't, and it's the regulation so you don't interfere with an existing QSO.  We know this stuff.  And it really hacks me when people think that a particular mode "owns" a frequency range - it really doesn't - it's who gets there first - there's just not enough space sometimes and that's OK too - we share - we're hams and we follow the rules.  It's nice to have a starting place to look, and it all works so nice when people follow that band plan, but it will never be perfect because of all the people and all the modes.  We have online chats for real time QSO hook-ups - why not use it to find that open 80m frequency during the week for PSK31 when W1AW is doing its thing?  Online chat works really well for things like that because it is REAL TIME communication and not emails.  Learn how if you don't already.

And imagine what it will be like when propagation comes back?  Hopefully we all will be good hams and follow the rules that have always been there.

My 2 cents.

Bob
K4VBM (Very Bad Memory)

On 5/13/2021 4:58 PM, Rick - N7WE wrote:
14 years after full "no-code" licensing and with all the online code practice (including ARRL's contribution) and things like CW Academy, I have to wonder how many people are regularly using W1AW code broadcasts.  It sure does screw up 80m PSK in the evenings here - Monday thru Friday.  

Milt, they don't broadcast on Sat or Sun, so that would be the best evenings to test 80m to the east.
--
Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602


Re: What antenna's do you use/prefer?

Ron Bosch
 

I currently run two antennas for HF. The first one is a 132' End Fed Random that is marginal on 40/80, great on 20 down.  Its major issues are lobes due to its bent (more like wrapped around my yard on three sides) configuration and the fact that is only 20 feet high at the highest point.  The second is an Off Center Fed Dipole in an inverted V that is 22' at the highest point, and 10' off the ground on the long end.  These are a result of living in an antenna restricted house.

The antennas I want are a 67.5-foot tall Discone stood off the top of a 120' tower. and a 529-foot loop as high as I can get it, but those will have to wait for the move to Oregon in 6 years.  It's always good to dream :-)

Ron
KE4DRF


Re: Antenna TESTING AND UPCOMING tdw

Jerry N9AVY
 

Rick:

Actually it's been more like 20 years of no-code.  Took my Extra in 2000 and the code had been dropped ... not sure what month it was.    There are still people out there trying to learn or upgrade their CW skills. Code not necessarily as popular as it once was, but still has a following. Groups like CWOPS and others promote CW ad I believe that's a good thing . Operated a lot of CW over the years and have found that many CW operators are better behaved than folks on SSB.

Jerry  n9avy

On Thursday, May 13, 2021, 03:58:16 PM CDT, Rick - N7WE <n7we1980@...> wrote:


14 years after full "no-code" licensing and with all the online code practice (including ARRL's contribution) and things like CW Academy, I have to wonder how many people are regularly using W1AW code broadcasts.  It sure does screw up 80m PSK in the evenings here - Monday thru Friday.  

Milt, they don't broadcast on Sat or Sun, so that would be the best evenings to test 80m to the east.
--
Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602


Re: Antenna TESTING AND UPCOMING tdw

Rick - N7WE
 

14 years after full "no-code" licensing and with all the online code practice (including ARRL's contribution) and things like CW Academy, I have to wonder how many people are regularly using W1AW code broadcasts.  It sure does screw up 80m PSK in the evenings here - Monday thru Friday.  

Milt, they don't broadcast on Sat or Sun, so that would be the best evenings to test 80m to the east.
--
Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602


Re: What antenna's do you use/prefer?

Paula K7PAX #1739
 

Jim, please reply to me privately at k7pax@... because I would like to talk more about your QSO King end-fed wire. Thanks! I also have one but want to discuss wire length.

Paula

On May 13, 2021, at 11:13 AM, Jim K5SP <jinnis@...> wrote:



Have only one antenna at this time, it is an end fed wire, the QSO-KING.   I put it up to try and get the 160 mode working. It is a great wire antenna for 80-10 meters.

I also have a Gap Titan DX that is on the ground.  I have reworked it but am awaiting grandson to come help putting it back up.  At 77 with a bad back from falling on a hatch coaming while on a DD, I cannot do much by myself.  And all the local hams are stuck-up and don't help us old farts out.  I put that Titan up in 1999, and it served me well for 20 years. Went with vertical that had no radials because the xyl would not allow a tower (and a SK a couple blocks away once told me that I lived in a tower restricted area).

Jim K5SP

On 5/13/2021 12:40 PM, N6MG - Milt. via groups.io wrote:
This is a subject that comes up fairly often.
Why?, Because we all use the information in our own antenna choice's and the evolution of our current "go-to" antenna.
Is it wire? Aluminum? A combination, dependent on the band or time of the day? 
Do you use a different antenna, by mode?
When you put up your antenna, what factors influenced your choice? 
Pictures?
Never too many antenna's!
Milt.
N6MG
070-650
LONP #76

--
Jim,  K5SP #483
Executive Director/Member Services Director

--
Paula K7PAX #1739


Re: Antenna TESTING AND UPCOMING tdw

 

Suggestions pls?
Milt.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jim K5SP <jinnis@...>
To: main@070Club.groups.io
Sent: Thu, May 13, 2021 11:06 am
Subject: Re: [070Club] Antenna TESTING AND UPCOMING tdw

Yeah, it will blow us away.  W1AW is always there with code practice and very strong here in north Texas.
Jim K5SP
On 5/13/2021 12:52 PM, N6MG - Milt. via groups.io wrote:
Thanks for the info Rick.
It may be more of an issue for those in the East.
We may just have to move up above 3.582 or to wherever it's clean.
Milt.


-----Original Message-----
From: Rick - N7WE <n7we1980@...>
To: main@070Club.groups.io
Sent: Thu, May 13, 2021 10:47 am
Subject: Re: [070Club] Antenna TESTING AND UPCOMING tdw

Milt-
I think that is the freq and time for W1AW Slow Code Practice tonight.  With their Alpha 87A amp, they pretty much take over the middle of the 3.580 to 3.582 slot here on the east coast.
--
Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602

--
Jim,  K5SP #483
Executive Director/Member Services Director


Re: What antenna's do you use/prefer?

Jim K5SP
 

Have only one antenna at this time, it is an end fed wire, the QSO-KING.   I put it up to try and get the 160 mode working. It is a great wire antenna for 80-10 meters.

I also have a Gap Titan DX that is on the ground.  I have reworked it but am awaiting grandson to come help putting it back up.  At 77 with a bad back from falling on a hatch coaming while on a DD, I cannot do much by myself.  And all the local hams are stuck-up and don't help us old farts out.  I put that Titan up in 1999, and it served me well for 20 years. Went with vertical that had no radials because the xyl would not allow a tower (and a SK a couple blocks away once told me that I lived in a tower restricted area).

Jim K5SP

On 5/13/2021 12:40 PM, N6MG - Milt. via groups.io wrote:
This is a subject that comes up fairly often.
Why?, Because we all use the information in our own antenna choice's and the evolution of our current "go-to" antenna.
Is it wire? Aluminum? A combination, dependent on the band or time of the day? 
Do you use a different antenna, by mode?
When you put up your antenna, what factors influenced your choice? 
Pictures?
Never too many antenna's!
Milt.
N6MG
070-650
LONP #76

--
Jim,  K5SP #483
Executive Director/Member Services Director


Re: Antenna TESTING AND UPCOMING tdw

Jim K5SP
 

Yeah, it will blow us away.  W1AW is always there with code practice and very strong here in north Texas.

Jim K5SP

On 5/13/2021 12:52 PM, N6MG - Milt. via groups.io wrote:
Thanks for the info Rick.
It may be more of an issue for those in the East.
We may just have to move up above 3.582 or to wherever it's clean.
Milt.


-----Original Message-----
From: Rick - N7WE <n7we1980@...>
To: main@070Club.groups.io
Sent: Thu, May 13, 2021 10:47 am
Subject: Re: [070Club] Antenna TESTING AND UPCOMING tdw

Milt-
I think that is the freq and time for W1AW Slow Code Practice tonight.  With their Alpha 87A amp, they pretty much take over the middle of the 3.580 to 3.582 slot here on the east coast.
--
Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602

--
Jim,  K5SP #483
Executive Director/Member Services Director


Re: Antenna TESTING AND UPCOMING tdw

 

Thanks for the info Rick.
It may be more of an issue for those in the East.
We may just have to move up above 3.582 or to wherever it's clean.
Milt.


-----Original Message-----
From: Rick - N7WE <n7we1980@...>
To: main@070Club.groups.io
Sent: Thu, May 13, 2021 10:47 am
Subject: Re: [070Club] Antenna TESTING AND UPCOMING tdw

Milt-
I think that is the freq and time for W1AW Slow Code Practice tonight.  With their Alpha 87A amp, they pretty much take over the middle of the 3.580 to 3.582 slot here on the east coast.
--
Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602


Re: Antenna TESTING AND UPCOMING tdw

Rick - N7WE
 

Milt-
I think that is the freq and time for W1AW Slow Code Practice tonight.  With their Alpha 87A amp, they pretty much take over the middle of the 3.580 to 3.582 slot here on the east coast.
--
Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602

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