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Re: Lessons Learned

AA8QQJMauch@...
 

Dave & Steve,
I have run PSK QRP on a field brewed ant made out of a boom box whip, a soda
pop can, and some hook up wire while in OK. Would like to have been running
in a contest that time as I was hitting JA's VK's and lots of EU. Lots of
QSO's and a real good time that was.
I didn't just start running QRP. Have been doing it for years, just not
always.

By the way Steve, that was an enlightening treatment on PSK. I never paid
that close attention to the phase scope. Thanks.

73,
Jay - AA8QQ


Re: Lessons Learned

Steve W3HF
 

I find it interesting all the comments made about QRPers. Both Jay
and Bernie tried it out this contest. Bernie even made a comment
about gaining some more understanding of (respect for?) what the
QRPers have to put up with.

FWIW, I have not finished compiling all the results for the survey,
so there's still time for those of you who have not sent yours in.
But I do notice a trend with regard to the question on QRP operation.
About half of the respondents have tried running PSK QRP. But I think
only one of the respondents runs QRP "most" of the time, and I know
there's only one who runs QRP all of the time. You can guess who that
is. :-)

Like Jay AA8QQ, I never saw any traces on 80m, though I did find two
signals on 40. Never tried 6m, though--the only antenna for 6 I have
is the 817's rubber duck.

I have worked aurora on cw before and was wondering if any brave
(foolhearted?) souls have thought to try aurora on PSK at high
power? (Don't tear me up to bad on this one folks.)

I saw lots of loud/bright sigs out there that my computer couldn't
make heads nor tails of. It looked like some strange type of
encryption. I kept getting weird characters where letters should
have been. Kind of like wrong parity causes on wired digital
comms.
No tearing here, Jay. I think you answered your own question. The
problem with aurora is that I believe there is significant phase
distortion in that propagation. The P in PSK stands for phase, as it
is the phase of the signal that carries the information. So
distortion of the phase will destroy the information in the signal
regardless of the power level.

The best signals for aurora propagation are those that carry
information in the amplitude of the signal, like CW and SSB. Anything
with a phase component (PSK, or FM) will be distorted, often to
unusability. As for the digital modes, maybe MFSK16 would work. It
would certainly be better than PSK, as that too is an amplitude-based
signal.

What you saw is exactly what Duncan was describing when he said that
there were many signals he could see, and were loud, but could not be
decoded. The phase of the signal was shifting faster than the
receiver could track it, so the bits were being demodulated in error.
This caused the conversion from bits to letters to be erroneous. And
this is just like the parity error problem you compared it to.

Did you happen to notice the phase detector window on your computer?
If the signal is clean and loud, it should be a straight vertical
line. A clean but weaker signal will still be vertical, but just not
as long. If there is distortion, or too much noise, you will start
seeing lines at other angles--these are bits that are being
demodulated that are not perfectly clean. The more of those you see,
the more likely you are to see errors in reception.

Props stunk! I can usually work lots of EU from here on 5 watts.
Not this
time! Only 2 EU's I heard were DL2AYL and UX0FF.
Agreed. I never heard Erika, though, on any band. Managed to get Nick
UX0FF once, and did get one EA and one CT. But nothing else from
central or North Europe.

Oh well, there's always next time.

73,
Steve
W3HF


Last Yrs Scores

AA8QQJMauch@...
 

Does anyone have last years scores saved? I'd like to see them for
comparison.

Jay - AA8QQ


Rumble score

Duncan <zl3jt@...>
 

de Jungle Telegraph
Easy to score! Count up all your QSOs, including those guys you worked on seperate
bands. Check for Duplicate QSOs on the same band and delete any dupes. This is your
QSO count.
Make up a list of countries you worked on each band, count them, this is your 'DX'
multiplier.(Include your own)
Make up a list of USA call areas you worked on each band.
Make up a list of JA call areas you worked on each band.
Make up a list of VE call areas you worked on each band.
Make up a list of VK call areas you worked on each band.
Keep the lists you will need that when you do your on line score entry on the TARA
Site.(Don't use your mouse, use the 'Tab' key to progress as you go along!)
Now add all the call areas you worked together, and all the DX countries you worked.
This is your multiplier. Then multiply this number by the QSO count and that is your
score!
You don't need to multiply this out, because after you enter the individual multis
on the entry form, the site will
do it for you!
OK? If I can do it anybody can!
If you are in a Team, you'll have to send those lists to your 'gaffer' for him to
correlate the Team score. But I don't need to explain that....Steve will!
73s to all
PS. I'm sorry if you tried to call me for a multiplier/QSO during the Rumble, I did
my best to satisfy everbody, including some very happy qwerpers!



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Re: We Came We Saw And I think We Rumbled

Steve W3HF
 


The only countries where call districts count are W/VE/JA/VK.
Other than that, there is no difference--PY5XT is the same as
PP5TG.

Oops, typo turned into bad example. It was supposed to be PY5XT
and PP7TG.

Steve


Re: We Came We Saw And I think We Rumbled

Steve W3HF
 

On muitlpiers I'm understanding most like 9 different call areas in
U.S. and VK different call areas How abt DXCC is that every different
one contact or only every 2 or more contacts to same country but
different call areas. And were they say urs on the DXCC do I count
myself on that one.
Please respond so I can get my score in there..
Thanks 73
Craig -

You count DXCC entities just like you do for ARRL's DXCC award.
Your first contact to Argentina counts for Argentina on that band--
you don't need a second. If you get an Argentine on another band,
then it counts for that band, too.

The only countries where call districts count are W/VE/JA/VK.
Other than that, there is no difference--PY5XT is the same as
PP5TG.

And yes, a W1 is the same as a N1, as a K1, as a WA1, etc.
What matters is the district they're in, not the exact callsign. So a
W1 is the same as a W3HF/1, if W3HF is portable in Connecticut.

Steve


Re: Lessons Learned

AA8QQJMauch@...
 

Hi All,
Whew, what a mess trying to run QRP in this test. I was limited to 10, 15, &
20 meters. I never saw any traces on 40 or 80. I think DQU stopped by
before going to DE and installed diodes in my 40 & 80 meter antennas. I did
get to make another 6 meter PSK QSO, with Chris KC8LJN this time. We
couldn't count it for the test since he couldn't see me at 5 watts, I had to
bump it up to 40 w for him to see me although I could read his trace at 20 w.
I have worked aurora on cw before and was wondering if any brave
(foolhearted?) souls have thought to try aurora on PSK at high power? (Don't
tear me up to bad on this one folks.)

I saw lots of loud/bright sigs out there that my computer couldn't make heads
nor tails of. It looked like some strange type of encryption. I kept
getting weird characters where letters should have been. Kind of like wrong
parity causes on wired digital comms. I used GenLog for logging and thought
I was doing really good scorewise until after the test was over. Then I
realized it was counting states as mults instead of call areas. Went from
4k+ down to 1200 points. Poor even for QRP.

Props stunk! I can usually work lots of EU from here on 5 watts. Not this
time! Only 2 EU's I heard were DL2AYL and UX0FF. Couldn't get either ones
attention though. Heard Mohammed over in Morocco but couldn't break that
pile up. Worked Duncan couple of times. I know it was because the trans
equatorial path, and his receiver. Most all my QSO's were N-S with very few
E-W, and no polar paths at all.

Sure hope DQU puts his toys away well in advance of the TDW. Don't need
another fiasco like this for many tests to come.

73 to all,
Jay - AA8QQ


W3KM's GenLog

N3DQU@...
 

If you haven't tried W3KM's GenLog yet, you might want to give it a shot
in the next Rumble. It will give you a printout of your multipliers in
exactly the same format as shown on Ernie's score submission page, so you
don't really have to do any calculations at all, just copy them over to the
form. The program supports many contests, including the upcoming TDW. Check
it out at < http://www.qsl.net/w3km/gen_log.htm > ...Jay N3DQU.


Re: Hope everyone is doing better to EU than I am

Dieter, DL2RR <dl2rr@...>
 

The same here, except ZL3JT, he was there on 20m from morning to noon. I
spent some time to contact him. One VK came through for a view minutes but
he worked not in contest.
There were surprisingly many station from south east direction (YO, SV, UR
etc), and Arie,4X6UO was for long time the strongest one on 15m.
Never were so few RAs to hear in a Contest and attainable with difficulty. I
could not reach the only one UA9 !

73's de Dieter - DL2RR

PS: I believe, Jay did not only set some names on his ol' coax , he took
the whole callbook however lost some pages of South America, hi.

----- Original Message -----
From: Zoltan Bordas <borzol@sbelektronik.alphanet.ro>
To: <070@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: [070] Hope everyone is doing better to EU than I am


: Only stations getting thru the Auroa is Southern *America* and abt all
: Northern *American* Stations are almost none existance
:
: ...HI!
:
: 73 de Zoli / YO5CRQ
:


Re: We Came We Saw And I think We Rumbled

DL2AYL@...
 

Hi Craig,
read the rules for the Rumble, nothing else counts.
Erika/DL2AYL


Re: We Came We Saw And I think We Rumbled

kf4hou <kf4hou@...>
 

One more Question Reading the WPX rules as far as I can tell A1 N1
K1 W1 counts as a multiplier is this correct for Rumble or Does it
count only for the call areas No matter the Prefix. N1 K2 etc..
Thnxs 72


On muitlpiers I'm understanding most like 9 different call areas
in
U.S. and VK different call areas How abt DXCC is that every
different
one contact or only every 2 or more contacts to same country but
different call areas. And were they say urs on the DXCC do I count
myself on that one.
Please respond so I can get my score in there..
Thanks 73
Hi Rumeleere'
Hey! use the OnLine Score Submission Form. I am trying to
make
it
calculate the score for ya! so just fill in the blanks. Oh! don't
use the
mouse, use the Tab instead until I can get it figured :) If you
are still
baffled, email me your log. Ernie

----- Original Message -----
From: "kf4hou" <kf4hou@c...>
To: <070@y...>
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 12:54 PM
Subject: [070] We Came We Saw And I think We Rumbled


Had fun But, Mother Nature Frowned some on us. But did manage
to
wrk
a few good contacts I heard My friend Mohammed in CN but he
didn't
hear me. I think I heard more EU stations than excepted but
only a
hand full I could work. And didn't hear to many NE EU stations
at
all
Nothing past Germany. But Southern EU to middle east was Fair
going
This contest was fun and challenging. When the Kp index hit abt
a
4 I
finally got to work some to north of me. But, Canadanians were
not
plentyful like the should have been. Hope I didn't step on
anyones
toes on 20m but, I know a few did me. No matter how careful you
try
to be on 20m there is always someone going to complain hi hi.
Oh, Well next time Hopefully we will having something a little
bit
better to give me some punch. instead of a all bnder Dipole.
stuck on
ne,sw directions.

One question First real contest I have been serious about can
some
explain how to taly up the scores. For the idiot at hand here.

Well I think yv5aax will have a darn high score he was wrking
them
ever where. into EU like it was easy. And duncan sure was
wrking
them
too. not sure how well he did after daylight here.
73



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Re: We Came We Saw And I think We Rumbled

kf4hou <kf4hou@...>
 

On muitlpiers I'm understanding most like 9 different call areas in
U.S. and VK different call areas How abt DXCC is that every different
one contact or only every 2 or more contacts to same country but
different call areas. And were they say urs on the DXCC do I count
myself on that one.
Please respond so I can get my score in there..
Thanks 73
Hi Rumeleere'
Hey! use the OnLine Score Submission Form. I am trying to make
it
calculate the score for ya! so just fill in the blanks. Oh! don't
use the
mouse, use the Tab instead until I can get it figured :) If you
are still
baffled, email me your log. Ernie

----- Original Message -----
From: "kf4hou" <kf4hou@c...>
To: <070@y...>
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 12:54 PM
Subject: [070] We Came We Saw And I think We Rumbled


Had fun But, Mother Nature Frowned some on us. But did manage to
wrk
a few good contacts I heard My friend Mohammed in CN but he didn't
hear me. I think I heard more EU stations than excepted but only a
hand full I could work. And didn't hear to many NE EU stations at
all
Nothing past Germany. But Southern EU to middle east was Fair
going
This contest was fun and challenging. When the Kp index hit abt a
4 I
finally got to work some to north of me. But, Canadanians were not
plentyful like the should have been. Hope I didn't step on anyones
toes on 20m but, I know a few did me. No matter how careful you
try
to be on 20m there is always someone going to complain hi hi.
Oh, Well next time Hopefully we will having something a little
bit
better to give me some punch. instead of a all bnder Dipole.
stuck on
ne,sw directions.

One question First real contest I have been serious about can some
explain how to taly up the scores. For the idiot at hand here.

Well I think yv5aax will have a darn high score he was wrking
them
ever where. into EU like it was easy. And duncan sure was wrking
them
too. not sure how well he did after daylight here.
73



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Re: Hope everyone is doing better to EU than I am

Zoltan Bordas <borzol@...>
 

Only stations getting thru the Auroa is Southern *America* and abt all
Northern *American* Stations are almost none existance

...HI!

73 de Zoli / YO5CRQ

----- Original Message -----
From: "kf4hou" <kf4hou@chartertn.net>
To: <070@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 5:25 AM
Subject: [070] Hope everyone is doing better to EU than I am


Only stations getting thru the Auroa is Southern EU and abt all
Northern Sations are almost none extisance


Re: N3DQU/P

Bills4570@...
 

Jay,

What a guy!!! Camped in cold cruel Delaware just to
contribute to the WAS blight! Seriously, I wished you
had done something like that when I was scratching for DE
as one my last WAS targets.

I wanted to ask you about your TS-50 interface. I'm
setting up a TS-60 for 6M PSK, and I thought I might get
a tip or two on your setup:

Are you feeding your soundcard with the external speaker
outlet in the back of the rig, and adjusting your receive
audio from the front panel AF gain control?

How are you adjusting the mic gain, or audio drive level
for transmit? Is that something you do with your
interface box? I have a RIGblaster M8 I'll be using, and
it has a level control for audio drive. Do you find that
the audio drive requires a lot of attention once it's
set? The TS-60 mic gain reguires one to remove the top
cover for access. That's not too appealing to me...

Also have heard there is a thermal problem with these
rigs, and I was advised not to run digital mode on the
high power setting. Do you have experience with that?
Is your TS-50 OK at 50W and below?

I have made only one 6M PSK contact, with a different
rig. Any suggestions for 6M PSK freqs?

Any other suggestions would be welcome.

Regards, Bill
KG6EXF

Yep, 'tis true! I was indeed portable from Cape Henlopen State Park in
Delaware for the Rumble. Despite the sketchy props, I managed to make 47 Q's
over 40, 20, 15 and 10 before the laptop battery decided to shut me down an
hour before the contest was done. Setup was a Kenwood TS50S running 50w to a
Hustler 5btv jammed in the sand and a Toshiba 233mhz laptop. Ran the Knwd off
a deep cycle battery and the laptop off a lawnmower battery. So while the
props were not exactly what you would call "contest friendly", I know I
helped at least one dood out there towards his WAS, so in that respect the
expedition was a success. Anybody out there need a QSL fm Delaware, will be
most happy to oblige. Btw, I have already started makiing offerings to the
prop gods for the TDW, so I don't think we will have the kind of problems we
saw with the Rumble hi...73 de Jay N3DQU.


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Tara Rumble

Duncan <zl3jt@...>
 

de Jungle Telegraph
Well guys and gals, lots have been said about the poor conditions for the Rumble.
I think that lessons can learned for all of us. For a start, Antennae. Most things
will radiate to some degree, including a dummy load. But nothing will beat an antenna
which is resonant on the desired frequency, with a good match to the coax at the
antenna. If you need a tuner at the rig to match it, there is a problem with your
system, and effectively you will not be radiating all your RF, a lot will be heat!

Secondly, if your signal has slight spurious on PSK, it will be distorted, and combine
that with the atmospheric/geomagnetic distortion that occurred your signal will be
unreadable...the trace is there but not readable.
I worked several stations /QRP, with 'good' readability, and a lot of 'big fat traces'
that I saw on my screen weren't!
Thirdly, the effect of Aurora will distort your reception, and your transmission,
on the paths close to the auroras.
The best options then are to look for stations near the equatorial belt, or across
it.
I was lucky with my QTH, lots of operators in USA and Japan, and with the path trans-equatorial.

Whereas late at night, many Europeans were 'on' but unreadable from here via either
polar path. In fact the frequencies were fill up with traces that my computer couldn't
decipher!
For the record, I have the very best of Transceivers, particularly in receive with
my TS870, that combined with my 3 element tribander, makes a good trace on most screens.

Lastly, the software! There are many available, but the best is the one where you
can see the very weak signals, in colour! Lots of programs don't allow this, in fact
some of them are downright useless in conditions we experienced in the Rumble. Your
signal must be narrow, with no distortion at all, (No ALC showing), an IMD of at
least -30dB.....
Hang on a minute! Better stop now! I might have more competition on October......

My score is on the Tara site....See ya'll Duncan


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N3DQU/P

N3DQU@...
 

Yep, 'tis true! I was indeed portable from Cape Henlopen State Park in
Delaware for the Rumble. Despite the sketchy props, I managed to make 47 Q's
over 40, 20, 15 and 10 before the laptop battery decided to shut me down an
hour before the contest was done. Setup was a Kenwood TS50S running 50w to a
Hustler 5btv jammed in the sand and a Toshiba 233mhz laptop. Ran the Knwd off
a deep cycle battery and the laptop off a lawnmower battery. So while the
props were not exactly what you would call "contest friendly", I know I
helped at least one dood out there towards his WAS, so in that respect the
expedition was a success. Anybody out there need a QSL fm Delaware, will be
most happy to oblige. Btw, I have already started makiing offerings to the
prop gods for the TDW, so I don't think we will have the kind of problems we
saw with the Rumble hi...73 de Jay N3DQU.


Re: We Came We Saw And I think We Rumbled

Ernest Mills <emills@...>
 

Hi Rumeleere'
Hey! use the OnLine Score Submission Form. I am trying to make it
calculate the score for ya! so just fill in the blanks. Oh! don't use the
mouse, use the Tab instead until I can get it figured :) If you are still
baffled, email me your log. Ernie

----- Original Message -----
From: "kf4hou" <kf4hou@chartertn.net>
To: <070@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 12:54 PM
Subject: [070] We Came We Saw And I think We Rumbled


Had fun But, Mother Nature Frowned some on us. But did manage to wrk
a few good contacts I heard My friend Mohammed in CN but he didn't
hear me. I think I heard more EU stations than excepted but only a
hand full I could work. And didn't hear to many NE EU stations at all
Nothing past Germany. But Southern EU to middle east was Fair going
This contest was fun and challenging. When the Kp index hit abt a 4 I
finally got to work some to north of me. But, Canadanians were not
plentyful like the should have been. Hope I didn't step on anyones
toes on 20m but, I know a few did me. No matter how careful you try
to be on 20m there is always someone going to complain hi hi.
Oh, Well next time Hopefully we will having something a little bit
better to give me some punch. instead of a all bnder Dipole. stuck on
ne,sw directions.

One question First real contest I have been serious about can some
explain how to taly up the scores. For the idiot at hand here.

Well I think yv5aax will have a darn high score he was wrking them
ever where. into EU like it was easy. And duncan sure was wrking them
too. not sure how well he did after daylight here.
73



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Re: It was an experience

brmccain <brmccain@...>
 

Bernie:

Yes it was fun in spite of the bad conditions - at least from
Portland. I usually kept track of your sig from Yelm to see how and
who you were working. As you know, we can usually work many JA's
every evening from the Pacific Northwest on 10 and 15, but I never
even saw a single JA station. Only saw Serge, UA0ZS, once but
couldn't get him.

And yes, Duncan, ZL3JT, was running bright yellow all evening on 40
meters into Oregon. A half hour after our qso I snagged Walter,
CX7BF, before hanging it up for the nite. Saturday, 15 opened up a
little, while 10 stayed dead all day . . .

BTW: we also have an umbrella cockatoo, who sometimes needs
the "blanket teatment" . . . just curious, when your bird calls CQ
from your station, is that "[b]ird party" traffic?

73 de N7XB
Bruce McCain - Portland, OR
brmccain@teleport.com


We Came We Saw And I think We Rumbled

kf4hou <kf4hou@...>
 

Had fun But, Mother Nature Frowned some on us. But did manage to wrk
a few good contacts I heard My friend Mohammed in CN but he didn't
hear me. I think I heard more EU stations than excepted but only a
hand full I could work. And didn't hear to many NE EU stations at all
Nothing past Germany. But Southern EU to middle east was Fair going
This contest was fun and challenging. When the Kp index hit abt a 4 I
finally got to work some to north of me. But, Canadanians were not
plentyful like the should have been. Hope I didn't step on anyones
toes on 20m but, I know a few did me. No matter how careful you try
to be on 20m there is always someone going to complain hi hi.
Oh, Well next time Hopefully we will having something a little bit
better to give me some punch. instead of a all bnder Dipole. stuck on
ne,sw directions.

One question First real contest I have been serious about can some
explain how to taly up the scores. For the idiot at hand here.

Well I think yv5aax will have a darn high score he was wrking them
ever where. into EU like it was easy. And duncan sure was wrking them
too. not sure how well he did after daylight here.
73


Re: It was an experience

bernie_kf4fhs <kf4fhs@...>
 

Hey Bob,

Yea, yesterday was different alright.

Usually Canada is really good for me, but I only got 1 VE in the
contest, and it's usually like I'm connected to Japan with a wire,
but I didn't see a single JA, either.
Right at the start, I saw Nando PY5XT, on 15 meters, and I hollered
at him and he came right back, and I thought, man, this is going to
be great, well, it didn't take me long to realize that the rest of
the contest wasn't going to be that easy, but I did manage to get
Duncan too, he had a great signal.
I did learn some things from using 5 watts this weekend, but I'm not
sure what they were :-) I would see very strong signals and try and
try to call them with no reply, then when their signal would start to
fade, I'd call and they would come back, this happened several
times ???
Oh, and I caught N3DQU/P trying to leave the state, when I talked to
him, he was already in Deleware, no tellin where he is by now.
If you want to try something challenging, crank the power down and
jump in a crowd and see what happens. I look at the QRP folks in a
little different light, now.
All in all it was a fun time, but like Duncan said in an earlier
post, not a record setter.

73, Bernie / KF4FHS



--- In 070@y..., "Bob" <VE4XA@A...> wrote:
Hi Bernie;
Just to let you know that your 3 watts kept booming in to Southern
Manitoba,
but my 18 watts into a dipole just couldn't make the trip to you.
A fun event. Worked several new states and one new Province, and
even got
some outside work done! No great score...but then it's the FUN
more than
the high score..right?
Oh..Duncan..you kept booming in here also..I should have been an
SWL entrant
as I saw you working one after the other. But. like Bernie..you
didn't
hear my 18 watts either!
See you down the log
Bob.ve4xa