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Re: TI9M

Dick Thompson <wb0dul@...>
 

Hi Chris...
 
I finally captured TI9M at 0548 UTC on 2/28/02.  He was on 20 meters and a very smooth operator.  I was beginning to think I'd never get him, but when I checked the band last night before hitting the sack, I saw he was on and decided to stay up until I snagged him.  It took me a half hour, but it finally happened. 
 
What I found strange is the fact that after he would acknowledge a contact & give a report, he would say "QRZ de TI9M listening UP UP Pse K" and there were still stations trying to call him on his transmitting frequency.  Makes you wonder. 
 
Anyway, glad you snagged the Island. 
 
73,
Dick
 
 

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Subject: [070] TI9M

Just worked TI9M on 20M. He is listening up about 1 Khz. Lots of JA and US stations now.
 
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Re: PW0T

N3DQU@...
 

In a message dated 2/28/2002 1:28:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, AA8QQJMauch@... writes:


The PW0T op kept saying UP UP
or DOWN DOWN, then, ignoring the ops following his directions, continuously
answered stations who called on his TX freq. 


   Yeah, I was surprised to hear him doing that too...best way to screw up control over any pileup! Jay N3DQU.


PW0T

AA8QQJMauch@...
 

Hi All,
Maybe someone can answer this question. I was listening to PW0T on 10
meters. (Ok, I was trying to work him too). The PW0T op kept saying UP UP
or DOWN DOWN, then, ignoring the ops following his directions, continuously
answered stations who called on his TX freq. How in the name of the Prop
gods can you control a pile up doing this? I was sitting there making up a
Lid List and was going to put it oout on here, but if I did, I'd have to put
the PW0T op at the top of it!

Maybe they should call Bill and ask his advice.

73 de Jay - AA8QQ


TI9M

John Durbin <durbinsjz@...>
 

Just worked TI9M on 20M. He is listening up about 1 Khz. Lots of JA and US stations now.
 
Chris KC8LJN


TI9M

Duncan <zl3jt@...>
 

de Jungle Telegraph
I haved logged TI9M on PSK31....I NEED to SHOUT that one!
What a struggle...5 hours on the keyboard, and watching all the 'attempts'... through
QRM/QSB/QRN, pactor Amtor, CW even SSB...people calling me? People calling on TI9M's
frequency...at 0500Z I was prepared to delete the mode out of my computer....went
away for an hour...came back, TI9M still there fighting away...Bingo 3 calls, 3 repeats
of reports 3 times....Gosh Thanks Bill! You need a medal!
I vote Bill AK0A PSKer of the decade!
I now know why PW0T gave up.....don't blame them at all!
73s to all.... HE IS WORKING SPLIT, so watch what is happening before you PTT, good
luck! You'll need it or a BIG amplifier and a 20 element yagi!


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Re: TI9M (Was: PW0T PSK)

Bills4570@...
 

Costas,

I saw TI9M this evening too, but could not work him on 14
Mhz. Way too much competition!

At my location, the 14 Mhz passband looked quiet when I
first opened my waterfall. I was making some notations,
and when I looked up, the waterfall was filled, wall to
wall with traces. The next time I looked, there were only
a couple.

For a minute I thought there was a loose connection
somewhere in my antenna or audio feed! Then, after
copying some of the traces, I realized that nearly
everyone on 14.070 was trying to work TI9M, and was
responding to TI9M's advisory that he was working split,
and "listening UP UP pse K". The waterfall would fill
with traces in unison as soon as he stopped transmitting
and began selecting his next station. Duncan's comments
about the importance of listening (or watching) and
figuring out what's going on became apparent....... It
was a thing of beauty!

Will try again later.

de Bill
KG6EXF


Today TI9M (NA-012) tried 14070.5 with split operation. Very
good operator. When facing problems with simples operation, he
clearly stated that he listens 1 kHz up. Quite easy to raise
them and have a QSO.

Thanks guys (AD6E, AK0A, F5CWU, IK3RIY, IZ7ATN, KA0KKO,
KI7WO, N4CD, N6KT, N7DF, PA3EWP, PA5ET, RK3AD, WS4Y and
TI2HMG!)

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Re: TI9M (Was: PW0T PSK)

Alan M. Eshleman <doctore@...>
 

Thanks for the pointer! It took me only about 10 minutes to break through
the EU pile with my 50 watts. The dual channel mode with Digipan makes
split very easy. It'll be a while before we get a chance to work this
entity on PSK.

73,

Alan/K6SRZ


TI9M (Was: PW0T PSK)

Costas Krallis SV1XV <sv1xv@...>
 

Today TI9M (NA-012) tried 14070.5 with split operation. Very
good operator. When facing problems with simples operation, he
clearly stated that he listens 1 kHz up. Quite easy to raise
them and have a QSO.

Thanks guys (AD6E, AK0A, F5CWU, IK3RIY, IZ7ATN, KA0KKO,
KI7WO, N4CD, N6KT, N7DF, PA3EWP, PA5ET, RK3AD, WS4Y and
TI2HMG!)

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PODXS-DPX Award

Ernest Mills <emills@...>
 

Again we have another successful applicant for this prestigious, coveted award :)
 
Many congratulations to our own 070 member, Dieter Zimmerman DL2RR who has successfully claimed both his MIXED and RTTY DPX Awards.  Good job!  Ernie


Re: PW0T PSK

DL2AYL@...
 

Just worked PW0T in RTTY on 15 meters..I called him in the range of my
passband, got him after two calls.
But higher were a lot of stations piling on each other.
73's Erika/DL2AYL


Re: PW0T PSK

Sean \(G4UCJ\) <g4ucj.shack@...>
 

Hi Costas, I gave up dx-ing on SSB years ago for the same reason. I now use
CW for all the DX - I have the PW0, the S07, the VP8G and some of the other
recents running just 30w to either a vertical or an indoor dipole. It is so
much easier on CW and I guess RTTY/digimodes as well. The beauty is that a
little goes a long, long way. Not all of us are kW and yagi stations but a
bit of persistence and skill, with a large helping of good fortune can make
us competitive.

Throw the mike away!!

73 Sean Gilbert, G4UCJ Member: IPRE, RSGB, RSARS, FISTS, GWQRP, PODXS 070's
County Morse Examiner
Email: g4ucj.shack@ntlworld.com
AX25: g4ucj@gb7imk.#43.gbr.eu
TCP/IP: 44.131.160.74 (when it works)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Costas Krallis SV1XV" <sv1xv@eexi.gr>
To: <070@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 7:00 PM
Subject: Re: [070] Re: PW0T PSK


At 08:22 26/2/2002 +0100, you wrote:

The problem with the split operation is that some hams simply don't
listen
or read what the dx-station is telling.
Some of the dx op's make things worse.. just saw on 20 meters TI9M
asking
for calls up up... but taking also on calls on his own frequency.
Erika, an additional issue is to define reasonable shifts for "UP"
(split frequency) for PSK-31. For CW it is 2-4 kHz, for SSB 5-10 kHz.
These are based on IF filter bandwidths. Given the way PSK-31 software
works, I think UP should be something like 0.5 - 1.5 kHz. Any other
views?

BTW I feel very unhappy about my performance in the pile-ups
for the current DX-peditions (TI9M and PW0T). I consider giving
up SSB DX altogether and concentrating to RTTY and PSK-31. Ham
radio is supposed to be fun, not a nerve breaking ordeal.

Costas SV1XV




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Re: PW0T PSK

Costas Krallis SV1XV <sv1xv@...>
 

At 08:22 26/2/2002 +0100, you wrote:

The problem with the split operation is that some hams simply don't listen
or read what the dx-station is telling.
Some of the dx op's make things worse.. just saw on 20 meters TI9M asking
for calls up up... but taking also on calls on his own frequency.
Erika, an additional issue is to define reasonable shifts for "UP"
(split frequency) for PSK-31. For CW it is 2-4 kHz, for SSB 5-10 kHz.
These are based on IF filter bandwidths. Given the way PSK-31 software
works, I think UP should be something like 0.5 - 1.5 kHz. Any other
views?

BTW I feel very unhappy about my performance in the pile-ups
for the current DX-peditions (TI9M and PW0T). I consider giving
up SSB DX altogether and concentrating to RTTY and PSK-31. Ham
radio is supposed to be fun, not a nerve breaking ordeal.

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Re: PW0T PSK

bernie_kf4fhs <kf4fhs@...>
 

Thanks Guys, for the pointers on operating split frequencies.
I have never worked a station using "split", and if I am ever lucky
enough to stumble across one, maybe I won't be the scourge of
the waterfall :-)

Thanks Again & 73,
Bernie / KF4FHS


Great Lakes QSO Party

N3DQU@...
 

Anyone planning on working the Great Lakes QSO Party on March 9? This
event is sponsored by the Michigan DX Association, the outfit who sponsored
the PSK31 Deathmatch (geez, what a name!)...Anyway, modes for the Great Lakes
QSO Party are CW, Phone and Digital (RTTY or PSK31)...Check out the rules at <
http://www.geocities.com/mdxa1/qsoparty.html > ...Mults are the states and
provinces surrounding the Great Lakes...sounds interesting! 73 de Jay N3DQU.


Re: PW0T PSK

DL2AYL@...
 

The problem with the split operation is that some hams simply don't listen
or read what the dx-station is telling.
Some of the dx op's make things worse.. just saw on 20 meters TI9M asking
for calls up up... but taking also on calls on his own frequency.
Have worked him two days ago, but he didn't get my call correct and I had no
chance to correct him because abot ten stations started to call him on my
frequency before we had finished...
73's Erika/DL2AYL


Alpha List

N3DQU@...
 

With the TDW coming up in a couple months, it is important that the Alpha
List be accurate. Please take a moment to check the list and make sure your
call is listed correctly. Also, if you have changed your callsign since
becoming a member of the 070 Club, please send an email to KA3X notifying him
of the change for our records. Mni tnx...Jay N3DQU.


DXing in any mode

Duncan <zl3jt@...>
 

de Jungle Telegraph
When a DX station comes on a band, they usually want as many contacts as possible
for the duration of the 'Dx-pedition'. The primary goal of this activity is to give
as many as possible a chance to 'work' a DXCC Entity. So therefore QSOs should as
brief as possible, but all the information has to be logged in order to 'qualify'.

The relevant information in both 'logs' of the DX and the caller has to only:
1. Callsign in the respective logs
2. Date
3. Band
4. Mode

Time? you ask? No! The date is sufficient, but time in UTC would help a log search.
It certainly should be in your log but only needs to be approximate...

RST? you ask? No! It doesn't matter whether you are 3 by 1 or 59 Plus 60dB... The
relevance is not important. If the DX copies your call it will always be 59 or 599,
unless they want to actually check how strong their signals are to check propagation....


All other details can be found out by other means and do not affect the 'validility'
of the contact...

This is all that is required for 'DXing'. If you bear this in mind, we will all get
along a little better, and more will have the opportunity to 'work' it for another
'new one'!

To reduce interferrence, (QRM), from the 'pile-up', the DX station will often work
'split' frequency, so that everybody can hear (see) what is happening, and will usually
state where they are listening (watching). They will ask the stations in the 'pile-up'
to spread out so that they can hear (see) each signal, and copy each individual.


When you hear (see) a different callsign being worked by the DX station, stop transmitting!
You may be QRM! Wait until the DX station says, "QRZ?" or "QRZ up?" There's also
NO point in calling when the DX station is Transmitting, you are only wasting electricity!


The split in PSK could be 100Hz or more, but usually the DX station doesn't want
to create QRM on other station's activities so the 'split' may be 1 or more KHz.
In that case you will need to work VFO split, as the DX station may be outside the
waterfall on the screen! If VFO split is required then you must not transmit while
they are working someone else. They may be on your TX frequency by an act of chance,
and you transmission may QRM the contact....Then you are a "Lid"!

I hope that this epistle may help you 'get a new one', but the main thing is if you
are not sure what is going on, then listen (watch) to find out before you press the
PTT!

Good DX ! Duncan


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Just to let ya'll know. Steve, W3HF as successfully claimed the PODXS-DPX Award, #0001 PSK certificate.   Excellent job Steve.
Uhmm! sorry Erika :(   Ernie
 


Re: PW0T PSK

Sean \(G4UCJ\) <g4ucj.shack@...>
 

I managed to work KG4DX on 10m this evening working split. I set up a 2nd rx
window on KG4 and "tuned" up with the main window. It was a bit tricky
remembering the key sequences but once I'd got it fixed in the grey matter
it worked well. I use 2 macros (in MixW), the first sends just my call twice
(no de / k) and the 2nd is "<TX>R 599 599 TU<RX><SAVEQSO>". Took a while to
get through but tnx for the new one! For reference KG4DX said up 1 and was
listening for replies in the 2000-3000Hz area. I worked him at 1100Hz up
from his tx frequency.

73 Sean Gilbert, G4UCJ

would be for someone who is more familiar with the procedure, to
post a
brief explanation of the basics for us greenhorns who are not as
experienced
in DXing. Such as, how far UP will the DX station be listening.
I'm not an expert by any means, but here's my shot at it. I use
Digipan, so that will be my reference. And if I get anything wrong or
incomplete, I hope that someone more knowledgeable will feel free to
correct me.

As Duncan said, use the two-channel mode of the PSK software, and set
one channel on the DX station, but make the active (transmitting)
channel the other one. Select a clear frequency for your transmitting
freq--don't pile on top of everyone else. The DX station will be
looking for someone he can receive, and QRM won't help.

Get to know his rhythm, how long he listens between transmissions.
Time your calls to be that long. As Duncan points out, just send your
call. He will assume you are calling him, and doesn't need to hear his
own call repeated in a 3x3.

I guess I don't usually send "KN" instead of just "K", but maybe
that's because I don't consider myself (a W3) to be a rare catch.
Duncan and Zoli's experiences are different--maybe it depends on where
and who you are.

Macros can speed the transmission, but if you can type fast enough,
you can do it manually. Don't expect a ragchew, and don't even dream
of sending your brag file. All he wants is your callsign and report.
Most reports are "courtesy" 599s, so don't worry about being accurate.
But make sure that he gets your call correctly, and feel free to ask
for a correction if he gets it wrong. (If I had done that the first
time, I'd have a PY0FT QSL by now, instead of a "not in log"
response.)

As for how far up, it really depends. In CW and SSB operation, there
is often an indication in the "up" direction, like "up 3." And on SSB,
the signals are wider, so the "up spread" has to be wider. But on PSK,
since the bandwidths are so small, I personally think it's more likely
that he is doing exactly what you are doing, scanning across a
waterfall that's about 2-2.5 kHz wide. So I would start there--leave
my transceiver on single VFO and put his signal at the bottom, and
transmit above him in that range. You may be able to figure out where
he's looking if you can see both ends of a QSO--find the transmission
he's responding to.

BTW, be careful if he says "listening up" and you are in LSB mode. The
spectrum is inverted, and his "up" is your "down."

Duncan and I have had a number of split QSOs using this technique. I
was in California, and he was calling "CQ Africa" without obvious
responses. I didn't want to step on anyone who was calling him, but
wanted to chat if he had time and no one else replied. So I called him
about 100 Hz away. He was still able to watch for simplex responses
while I transmitted off-frequency.

If the spread gets wider than your waterfall (or your transmit
filter), you will have to figure out how to run split VFOs on you
transceiver.

FWIW, I managed to do just that last night. I had to go to the manual
to set up the VFOs, since I had never done it on the new Yaesu. And I
also had to figure out how MMTTY worked, since it wasn't a PSK
station. But I managed to get VFOa on 21079.3 (the DX transmit freq)
and I set VFOb on 21080.3 to transmit on. Since this was RTTY, the
spread was larger, and I couldn't find a dual-channel option on MMTTY.
I couldn't figure out MMTTY's macros, so I just typed everything by
hand each time. But after about five or six calls from my little
station (5 watts from a Yaesu FT-817 into an attic 40m dipole, tuned
for 15) I was rewarded with "W3HF W3HF de TI9M ur 599 599 bk". Frankly
I'm quite pleased with my first-ever RTTY contact.

I hope this helps someone. And as I said, I'm not an expert here, so
please feel free to challenge my statements.

73,
Steve
W3HF



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Re: PW0T PSK

Steve W3HF
 

would be for someone who is more familiar with the procedure, to
post a
brief explanation of the basics for us greenhorns who are not as
experienced
in DXing. Such as, how far UP will the DX station be listening.
I'm not an expert by any means, but here's my shot at it. I use
Digipan, so that will be my reference. And if I get anything wrong or
incomplete, I hope that someone more knowledgeable will feel free to
correct me.

As Duncan said, use the two-channel mode of the PSK software, and set
one channel on the DX station, but make the active (transmitting)
channel the other one. Select a clear frequency for your transmitting
freq--don't pile on top of everyone else. The DX station will be
looking for someone he can receive, and QRM won't help.

Get to know his rhythm, how long he listens between transmissions.
Time your calls to be that long. As Duncan points out, just send your
call. He will assume you are calling him, and doesn't need to hear his
own call repeated in a 3x3.

I guess I don't usually send "KN" instead of just "K", but maybe
that's because I don't consider myself (a W3) to be a rare catch.
Duncan and Zoli's experiences are different--maybe it depends on where
and who you are.

Macros can speed the transmission, but if you can type fast enough,
you can do it manually. Don't expect a ragchew, and don't even dream
of sending your brag file. All he wants is your callsign and report.
Most reports are "courtesy" 599s, so don't worry about being accurate.
But make sure that he gets your call correctly, and feel free to ask
for a correction if he gets it wrong. (If I had done that the first
time, I'd have a PY0FT QSL by now, instead of a "not in log"
response.)

As for how far up, it really depends. In CW and SSB operation, there
is often an indication in the "up" direction, like "up 3." And on SSB,
the signals are wider, so the "up spread" has to be wider. But on PSK,
since the bandwidths are so small, I personally think it's more likely
that he is doing exactly what you are doing, scanning across a
waterfall that's about 2-2.5 kHz wide. So I would start there--leave
my transceiver on single VFO and put his signal at the bottom, and
transmit above him in that range. You may be able to figure out where
he's looking if you can see both ends of a QSO--find the transmission
he's responding to.

BTW, be careful if he says "listening up" and you are in LSB mode. The
spectrum is inverted, and his "up" is your "down."

Duncan and I have had a number of split QSOs using this technique. I
was in California, and he was calling "CQ Africa" without obvious
responses. I didn't want to step on anyone who was calling him, but
wanted to chat if he had time and no one else replied. So I called him
about 100 Hz away. He was still able to watch for simplex responses
while I transmitted off-frequency.

If the spread gets wider than your waterfall (or your transmit
filter), you will have to figure out how to run split VFOs on you
transceiver.

FWIW, I managed to do just that last night. I had to go to the manual
to set up the VFOs, since I had never done it on the new Yaesu. And I
also had to figure out how MMTTY worked, since it wasn't a PSK
station. But I managed to get VFOa on 21079.3 (the DX transmit freq)
and I set VFOb on 21080.3 to transmit on. Since this was RTTY, the
spread was larger, and I couldn't find a dual-channel option on MMTTY.
I couldn't figure out MMTTY's macros, so I just typed everything by
hand each time. But after about five or six calls from my little
station (5 watts from a Yaesu FT-817 into an attic 40m dipole, tuned
for 15) I was rewarded with "W3HF W3HF de TI9M ur 599 599 bk". Frankly
I'm quite pleased with my first-ever RTTY contact.

I hope this helps someone. And as I said, I'm not an expert here, so
please feel free to challenge my statements.

73,
Steve
W3HF