Date   

YO-Endorsement

DL2AYL@...
 

Hi Jay,
How do you manage this - the day you announce
a new special endorsement the special stations
disappear completely. Haven't seen any YO since the
release of the YO-endorsement.
73's Erika/DL2AYL


Re: PW0T (Dxpedition operating)

Richard B Drake
 

Interestinly also, on CW the idiot frequency cops are usually not smart enough to exactly match the DX stations frequency and keying characteristics. Therefore it is generally quite easy to tell a pirate from the real McCoy. On PSK, it is not so easy to tell the difference.
 
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73, Rich - W3ZJ

-----Original Message-----
From: N3DQU@... [mailto:N3DQU@...]
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 11:10 AM
To: 070@...
Subject: Re: [070] Re: PW0T (Dxpedition operating)

In a message dated 3/2/2002 10:33:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, ve3iay@... writes:


Before you blame PW0T for responding to calls on their own frequency,
consider the possibility that the station responding to the caller on
PW0T's frequency might not have been PW0T.


   Hmmm, that is interesting....I didn't think the freq cops were smart enough to pull off something like that, but that does sound plausible....Jay N3DQU.
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Re: PW0T (Dxpedition operating)

AA8QQJMauch@...
 

On PSK, it is not so easy to tell the difference.
Especially if you run with the AFC always on.

Jay - AA8QQ


Re: PW0T (Dxpedition operating)

ve3iay <ve3iay@...>
 

Hi Jay,

Before you blame PW0T for responding to calls on their own frequency,
consider the possibility that the station responding to the caller on
PW0T's frequency might not have been PW0T. This is something I have
observed often in CW, but it occurs in digital modes too:

DXpedition sending: CQ DE DX0DX UP 3

XX0LID comes back on the same frequency: DX0DX DE XX0LID XX0LID

"Frequency cop": UP UP UP

XX0LID doesn't go away. A QSO or two later, here's what happens:

DXpedition sends: CQ de DX0DX UP 3

LID comes back yet again: DX0DX DE XX0LID XX0LID

FREQUENCY COP (NOT DX0DX): XX0LID 599

LID: TU 599 599 DE XX0LID

and meanwhile the DXpedition carries on, perhaps even completely
unaware of the goings-on on their transmit frequency. XX0LID won't
ever get a QSL, since he's not in the DXpedition's log, but for the
moment he goes away happy and gets off the frequency.

Apart from ethical and legal considerations, the downside to the
frequency cop's tactic is that by responding on frequency, he is
encouraging the very behaviour that upsets him.

It's sometimes easy to diagnose this by ear in CW when the DXpedition
and the frequency cop are on slightly different frequencies or have
different-strength signals, but XX0LID is already demonstrably unable
to follow instructions, so maybe he will also be unable to figure out
what is going on and will fall for it anyway. In digital modes, you
may need to look very carefully at the signals in your waterfall
display to figure out what is going on.

While I'm at on the soapbox: believe it or not, a lot of callers
appear to call without even being able to copy the DX. At least, they
keep on calling right through a QSO the DX station is completing;
they respond even when the DX makes it clear he is trying to contact
someone else (DX sends 4AA? 4AA? BK and XX0LID calls him despite the
total lack of similarity between the two call signs); they ignore
other instructions (UP 3, or EU ONLY); and even after the DX clearly
works them, they keep on calling, apparently totally unaware that the
DX already has worked them. If you can't copy the DX, how can you
possibly complete a QSO? I would have thought this was obvious, but
apparently it isn't...

73,
Rich VE3IAY




--- In 070@y..., N3DQU@a... wrote:
In a message dated 2/28/2002 1:28:26 PM Eastern Standard Time,
AA8QQJMauch@a... writes:


The PW0T op kept saying UP UP
or DOWN DOWN, then, ignoring the ops following his directions,
continuously

answered stations who called on his TX freq.
Yeah, I was surprised to hear him doing that too...best way to
screw up
control over any pileup! Jay N3DQU.


Re: YO-Endorsement

spdomingue@...
 

Erica now you know how I felt with the DL award maybe you need to check the antenna for the anit-YO filter in there

SteveD
N6YIH/7


Re: PW0T (Dxpedition operating)

N3DQU@...
 

In a message dated 3/2/2002 10:33:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, ve3iay@... writes:


Before you blame PW0T for responding to calls on their own frequency,
consider the possibility that the station responding to the caller on
PW0T's frequency might not have been PW0T.


   Hmmm, that is interesting....I didn't think the freq cops were smart enough to pull off something like that, but that does sound plausible....Jay N3DQU.


Special Event Station; GB50

ebruchac@...
 

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by the UK Radiocommunications Agency for a special event
station to be established at Windsor Castle to celebrate the
Queen's Jubilee (50th Anniversary of her succession to the throne) from 29
May to 9 June.
      The station will be run by Cray Valley Radio
Society (CVRS),in association with Burnham Beeches Radio Society (BBRC),
and with the support of the Radio Society of Great Britain
(RSGB).
     The station will be operational from 0700-2200 UTC daily;
Activity will be on 80-6 metres CW, SSB, PSK31 and RTTY. A station will
also be active on 2 metres CW, SSB and FM.
    QSL via G4DFI either direct Owen
Cross, 28 Garden Avenue, Bexleyheath, Kent DA7 4LF,
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   The web site for this event is at  http://www.gb50.com

73 de Ed N4ZUM




Re: TI9M

Steve W3HF
 

You're probably right then: lots of Alan's! I worked TI9M with AD6E
at the controls on 3 different CW bands and he always acknowledged me
with the club's version of the "secret handshake,' which the PSK op
didn't.
Hey, is there a "secret handshake" for the 070 PSK ops?

Steve
W3HF


Re: Pile up handling (Was: TI9M)

Alan M. Eshleman <doctore@...>
 

Two things that DX stations do that contribute to the chaos are (1) not
identifying frequently enough and (2) running the same geographical area
for hours on end. Now, #2 is sometimes dictated by propagation, but #1 is
inexcusable. Not everybody has packet. This results in all kinds of
"whats-his-calls" on the DX frequency, followed by the cops moving in,
followed by the FU's and general chaos.

Alan/K6SRZ


Re: TI9M

Alan M. Eshleman <doctore@...>
 

You're probably right then: lots of Alan's! I worked TI9M with AD6E at
the controls on 3 different CW bands and he always acknowledged me with
the club's version of the "secret handshake,' which the PSK op didn't.

73,

Alan/K6SRZ

On Fri, 1 Mar 2002, Melachrinos, Stephen J wrote:

Actually, I think it's Alan Homer KI7WO. I had worked him as KI7WO/TI5
before they made it on the island, and that was a PSK QSO. (I did not have
my log when I made the last post.) I'm not sure, but if there are only two
digimode ops on the trip, then it would be someone who was on PSK just
before.

Steve
W3HF

----------
From: Alan M. Eshleman[SMTP:doctore@well.com]
Reply To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 5:29 PM
To: '070@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [070] TI9M

Alan is probably Alan Maenchen, AD6E, one of my fellow Northern California
Contest Club members, who is on the TI9M expedition.
73,

Alan/K6SRZ



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Re: Pile up handling (Was: TI9M)

Richard B Drake
 

Yes I have run into that. Another bad one is when the DX station
is operating split but fails to acknowledge when the station he is
working is finished. This causes everyone who can't hear the
station he is working to call right over top and creates the same
kind of chaos you are talking about. When the DX operator is good
and black lists people who don't follow his instructions, the pile
ups are much more orderly and they work many more stations in a
shorter time.

---
73, Rich - W3ZJ

-----Original Message-----
From: Costas Krallis SV1XV [mailto:sv1xv@eexi.gr]
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 1:07 AM
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Pile up handling (Was: [070] TI9M)



On the subject of pile-up handling by DX-stations, it
is true it takes a lot of experience and self discipline
to do it smoothly. I have only handled a few minor
pile-up with SP and DL on 6 m SSB, so I can undertand
how demanding the job of a real DX operator is.

The worst DX operator I have encountered was an EA who
activated a rare IOTA close to my location on 21 MHz SSB.
He was listening on his own frequency and, while propagation
was good for me and signals booming at S9, I was unable
to have a QSO after 2 hours of well timed calls.

What was wrong with him? Instead of calling "QRZ? THIS
IS XYZ, IOTA XX-000" and listen, he would consistently call
one of the kilowatt stations who were breaking over the
last QSO. You can easily guess the chaos caused by this
practice.

Costas




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Re: TI9M

Steve W3HF
 

Actually, I think it's Alan Homer KI7WO. I had worked him as KI7WO/TI5
before they made it on the island, and that was a PSK QSO. (I did not have
my log when I made the last post.) I'm not sure, but if there are only two
digimode ops on the trip, then it would be someone who was on PSK just
before.

Steve
W3HF

----------
From: Alan M. Eshleman[SMTP:doctore@well.com]
Reply To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 5:29 PM
To: '070@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [070] TI9M

Alan is probably Alan Maenchen, AD6E, one of my fellow Northern California
Contest Club members, who is on the TI9M expedition.
73,

Alan/K6SRZ



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TI9M on 28.120

N3DQU@...
 

TI9M on 28.120 PSK


Re: TI9M

DL2AYL@...
 

He is cq-ing right now on 14.081 in RTTY, no pile up yet, got him on the
first try with the beam to Japan.
73's Erika/DL2AYL


Pile up handling (Was: TI9M)

Costas Krallis SV1XV <sv1xv@...>
 

On the subject of pile-up handling by DX-stations, it
is true it takes a lot of experience and self discipline
to do it smoothly. I have only handled a few minor
pile-up with SP and DL on 6 m SSB, so I can undertand
how demanding the job of a real DX operator is.

The worst DX operator I have encountered was an EA who
activated a rare IOTA close to my location on 21 MHz SSB.
He was listening on his own frequency and, while propagation
was good for me and signals booming at S9, I was unable
to have a QSO after 2 hours of well timed calls.

What was wrong with him? Instead of calling "QRZ? THIS
IS XYZ, IOTA XX-000" and listen, he would consistently call
one of the kilowatt stations who were breaking over the
last QSO. You can easily guess the chaos caused by this
practice.

Costas




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DX Ops etc

Duncan <zl3jt@...>
 

de Jungle Telegraph
From all the correspondance and critique of DX operations, it appears to me, that
an Amateur Radio license Test, should include actual operating on the air. It is
all very well to criticise people from a distant place. We really can't imagine the
stress that is created trying to deal with a huge pile-up, with people still calling
when the operator actually calls a particular station. I really admire those operators!

We should be critical only of our own operation of our own stations. We are the ones
that create the problems! And all the comments of the 'supervisors' and 'cops' who
laud over the DX station's frequency, only cause irritation and consequent interferrence.
The DX-pedition is not the problem, the callers are! Just as a previous guy wrote,
unless there is discipline, there will be a shambles. Self discipline is required....

I live in a very remote country as far as distance from anywhere is, but I manage
OK to work the DX, albeit at the right time for propagation.... But in doing this
I spend 99.9% of the time listening, so that I can time my call to perfection....It
doesn't always work, but the proof is in my Log! 15000 DX qsos, 333 countries worked,
311 in CW, 162 in psk31, over 600 IOTA entities worked. I have worked right across
the Pacific Ocean to N6XQ on 6M....PSK! It was easy, only timing! Thanks Jack, for
listening at the right time!....
But I too, am appalled at the antics of so called 'Amateurs'. You must employ a
sense of humour in order to keep yourself sane... Good luck and good 'DX'!


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Re: TI9M

Alan M. Eshleman <doctore@...>
 

Alan is probably Alan Maenchen, AD6E, one of my fellow Northern California
Contest Club members, who is on the TI9M expedition.
73,

Alan/K6SRZ


TI9M

N3DQU@...
 

TI9M is on 14.085 RTTY...N3DQU


Re: PW0T

kf7qz <kf7qz@...>
 

Lid List and was going to put it oout on here, but if I did, I'd
have to put
the PW0T op at the top of it!

Maybe they should call Bill and ask his advice.

73 de Jay - AA8QQ
Hear that, thats the best way to ruin your pile is to ignore your own
rules. Gads Im missing the two biggest countries on PSK cause I cant
find a stupid connector (New IC706MK2G and ACC is 13 pin vs 8 for my
old 735)

Start Old Crumudgeon mode

Back in my day, when I was in the USN, I had the opportunity to be
DX in several countries, most notable VQ9RS (Sep-Dec 1980). When I
got on I would try to hold a qso with somebody before working the
masses. I would always have someone break in with their call while in
QSO. I would ask why he broke in, and would invariably get the "Well
I need VQ9 your 59 thanks" to which I would reply that he just landed
on the VQ9 Never to QSL list (We had one on the wall). Couple of
those and wouldnt have break ins after that :).


Consiquently as I ran the pileups I would stop and point out MY
rules. I stated that I had 10,000 plus QSLs and didnt need any, so if
you wanted to work me you would follow my rules to the letter or
you would wind up on "the List" and explain what that list was. I
would then say I want your call in full twice. Then if I got a
partial I would answer back with XX or QX or what ever. If I heard
anything else I would ask say KF8AAA you arnt XX you just lost a card.

Couple those and that nonsense stopped in a heart beat and I could
then run 6 a min if I really spun up. About every 10 - 15 mins I
would give a synopsis of my rules. As far as the net cops, well I
would mention those and If they were persistant I would just say the
Net cops are causing me to QRT, BYE. And I would either shut it off or
move bands. Even they disappeared after a while, cause I ran a tight
ship. I thought it went well, and I got quite a rep on the air :). I
had a few guys write my QSL Manager and plead their case but Lyle
(Lyle Meek N6BLN) would write back that rules were rules and No card
ment that no card. Out of 25000+ qso's I think I had 50 no cards in
my log. Most guys followed pretty good.

So yes, Unrulely pilups are a pain and annoying. But for me, I lay
the blame flat square on the DX station. Its their pile up and if they
would lay out simple rules, stick to them and Make it known that a
Card Deny list is avail and used the crap would stop ASAP.


Just my .02

Rick KF7QZ

PS, I wish I could go on one these things to see if I could still do
it :) :)


Re: TI9M

Steve W3HF
 

FWIW, it was Alan (I forget his call) that was operating PSK last night, not
Bill. It "only" took me three hours and forty minutes to break through the
pile, but then again I was QRP. :-) (I did have the big antenna here,
though.)

When I said "tnx Bill" he replied that it was "Alan, the other digimode op",
but he'd pass along my gratitude to Bill.

He also did a pretty good job of occasionally reminding everyone that he was
listening up, what that meant, and not replying to anyone who called on his
transmit freq.

73
Steve
W3HF

-----Original Message-----
From: Duncan [mailto:zl3jt@zfree.co.nz]
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 11:53 PM
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [070] TI9M


de Jungle Telegraph
I haved logged TI9M on PSK31....I NEED to SHOUT that one!
What a struggle...5 hours on the keyboard, and watching all the
'attempts'... through
QRM/QSB/QRN, pactor Amtor, CW even SSB...people calling me? People calling
on TI9M's
frequency...at 0500Z I was prepared to delete the mode out of my
computer....went
away for an hour...came back, TI9M still there fighting away...Bingo 3
calls, 3 repeats
of reports 3 times....Gosh Thanks Bill! You need a medal!
I vote Bill AK0A PSKer of the decade!
I now know why PW0T gave up.....don't blame them at all!
73s to all.... HE IS WORKING SPLIT, so watch what is happening before you
PTT, good
luck! You'll need it or a BIG amplifier and a 20 element yagi!


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