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Re: What is the YO prefixs?

DL2AYL@...
 

No, better "Worked 100 Russian Stations" ;-)
Erika/DL2AYL

----- Original Message -----
From: "Costas Krallis SV1XV" <sv1xv@eexi.gr>
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Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2002 6:35 PM
Subject: Re: [070] What is the YO prefixs?


At 10:05 9/3/2002 -0500, you wrote:

Yep, it looks like we're slowly getting the old boy figured out. I just
can't figure out how he does it
I'm glad he didn't put the same kybosh on the Lower 48 endorsment,
or he'd have the whole USA shut down.

73 , Bernie / KF4FHS
Bernie, one of my problems is that there are too many Polish hams active
in the
PSK-31 bands. Do you think I should propose a "Worked 5 SP prefixes"
sticker,
so that the bands calm down a bit for a while? <grin>

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Re: What is the YO prefixs?

Costas Krallis SV1XV <sv1xv@...>
 

At 10:05 9/3/2002 -0500, you wrote:

Yep, it looks like we're slowly getting the old boy figured out. I just
can't figure out how he does it
I'm glad he didn't put the same kybosh on the Lower 48 endorsment,
or he'd have the whole USA shut down.

73 , Bernie / KF4FHS
Bernie, one of my problems is that there are too many Polish hams active in the
PSK-31 bands. Do you think I should propose a "Worked 5 SP prefixes" sticker,
so that the bands calm down a bit for a while? <grin>

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Re: ARRL and QSLs (long)

Steve W3HF
 

I'm asking this question very seriously and in no way do I mean for it
to be rude or degrading to anyone or anything, but what is so special
about the ARRL's DXCC award ?
In addition to the points Costas brought up, there's another reason:
the integrity of the DXCC process itself.

I don't intend to sound like I always agree with everything the ARRL
does, which I don't. But they have tried to set a very high standard
with DXCC, in terms of the quality of the QSL card itself, the
authorization to operate, the location of the station, etc.

There were some very-well-publicized incidents many years ago,
which challenged the integrity of the process. I think it was back in
the 40s, when an operator on a ship would come "close" to a
remote island, operate from the ship, and claim credit for operating
from the island. I don't know if he ever received authorization from
the local authorities to operate, and in some cases he was many
(hundreds?) of miles from the island. To prevent future problems,
ARRL enacted stricter rules on proving authorization by the locals,
and required the station to be on physical land, which is a tighter
standard than most awards.

To ensure the "quality" of the QSLs, they demand untampered
cards. And that's one of the problems with eQSLs we all print for
ourselves. Although WE wouldn't do it, it is possible to manipulate
graphics images and tamper with the image, and then print a
"perfect" card.

The mailed cards are a different matter. ARRL is slow to change its
rules, preferring to be cautious rather than compromise its integrity
before it is absolutely sure. Their argument on the mailed cards
doesn't relate to the cards themselves, though--it focuses on
whether eQSL is truly acting as a QSL manager (which has a lot of
additional ramifications, not just "mail my cards for me") and the
fixed charge of $1 per card. Although $1 is reasonable in terms of
saved postage cost, it appears to violate a long-standing tradition of
"QSLs are free if you pay my postage." eQSL has no mechanism
(at the moment) of accepting IRCs or an SASE to return cards. I
know some stations don't follow that, but again it is a general rule
that ARRL is slow to change.

This whole area is changing rapidly. I suggest we all give the
powers that be time to work to resolve the issue. I don't think any
of us will suffer if the ARRL/eQSL issues take another
one/three/six months to work themselves out. After all, this is a
hobby, at least for most of us. :-)

Finally, why DXCC and not eDX100, or the Argentine 101 Award, or
WIA DXCC (Australia), or any of the others? Probably for the same
reason that US Army soldiers volunteer for Special Forces (Green
Berets), or a runner races in the Boston Marathon instead of the
one in his home town, or the Tour de France, or the Olympics. The
fact that it is more difficult and that there are higher standards
makes it more special to some individuals. For some it is the
public recognition--we all know about DXCC, but how many of you
knew about the Argentine 101 or WIA DXCC? I know I didn't until a
few months ago.

For many others, the satisfaction is the accomplishment itself. For
these folks, do as has been suggested in some forums: feel free to
print your own certificate to hang on the wall, since the only "proof"
you need is within yourself. That's great, and I congratulate you on
your accomplishment.

But don't criticize others who have other objectives. We are all
different--let's let each pursue his/her hobby in the way s/he wants.

Off my soapbox .....

73,
Steve
W3HF


DL, EA, YO, JA, etc

AA8QQJMauch@...
 

Hi All,
Many of you are wondering about N3DQU's "connections?" to the prop gods. If
you've never been to his QTH, you don't know about the 4" crystal ball he
keeps hidden behind his rig. I first saw it when I happened by for an
unexpected visit. He didn't know it but I saw him through his window,
peering into it as if in a trance. Had he worn a hood, I would have thought
I was watching Merlin the magician in action.

I watched as he ran his fingers around the orb. I could see letters floating
around inside in what appeared to be clouds. They seemed to follow his every
move. The letters DL kept floating to the top, over and over again. When I
asked him about it, he said it was just a tool for checking propagation. He
shook it up and handed it to me. It looked like an ordinary glass ball with
snow falling on a winter scene. The only thing unusual was the house inside
had a tower with a tribander on top. Two days later he came out with the DL
endorsement. Maybe it was just a coincidence, and maybe it was just a dream.
Either way, I'll never forget what I saw that day, through that window, when
he didn't know I was there. I'll bet he takes a good long look into it every
time he thinks up a new endorsement. I'll also bet he closes the curtain now
too!

Well, what about it Jay? Any explanation?

de AA8QQ - Jay


Re: What is the YO prefixs?

Costas Krallis SV1XV <sv1xv@...>
 

At 11:47 9/3/2002 +0200, you wrote:

The Romanians are back!

Today (Saturday morning UTC) I found YO8FZ
on 14071.2 with a 599 signal. I even spotted
him to the DX-cluster!
Ye, the Romanians are back for real!
Half an hour later I had a QSO with YO9FNR
on 14 MHz

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20 EA's finally woked, hi-hi...

Zoltan Bordas <borzol@...>
 

 
...so who is digging is finding something...hi.
Yesterday I was lucky enough to find my last 3 EA's to complete the endorsement... it took for me 2 months and 8 days... so be patient with the romanian endorsement too, hi.
 
Next, jump for the JA's... last year it was more easy to find them!
 
Jay, please check my application... tnx!
 
P.S. YO6BHN is almost daily active on 10m - as far I have not worked him... and I have no YO6 in my log.
 
73 de Zoli / YO5CRQ
 


Re: What is the YO prefixs?

N3DQU@...
 

In a message dated 3/9/2002 2:42:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, kf4fhs@... writes:


Erika,

  Yep, it looks like we're slowly getting the old boy figured out. I just
can't figure out how he does it.
   I'm glad he didn't put the same kybosh on the Lower 48 endorsment, or
he'd have the whole USA shut down.

      73 , Bernie / KF4FHS


   You guys crack me up!! N3DQU


Re: What is the YO prefixs?

Costas Krallis SV1XV <sv1xv@...>
 

The Romanians are back!

Today (Saturday morning UTC) I found YO8FZ
on 14071.2 with a 599 signal. I even spotted
him to the DX-cluster!

Costas SV1XV




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Re: ARRL and QSLs

Costas Krallis SV1XV <sv1xv@...>
 

At 22:49 8/3/2002 -0800, you wrote:
I'm asking this question very seriously and in no way do I mean for it to be
rude or degrading to anyone or anything, but what is so special about the
ARRL's DXCC award ?
In the past, it was quite an achievement (especially for
North American hams) to contact 100 countries and it was
the first major milestone in their DX "career" which
led into the Honor Roll.

Of course this is no longer the case, as good operators with
medium class stations get more than 100 countries in a
contest weekend. I did 52 countries and 6 continents in
BARTG RTTY Sprint last January and I run only 100 W on
a vertical.

Is it because that you have to wait a year or more to get conformation of
some of your contacts, or is it because it is so hard to get people to send
a QSL at all, or what is it ??
Getting the cards is the major difficulty nowdays. US hams
are lucky as they receive many QSL cards via the bureau because
their contacts count for the prestigious "Worked All States"
(WAS) and Counties awards. In SV-land, we get very few
replies via bureau.

I have not applied for DXCC, because I am worried that
I might loose my cards (collected direct at high cost)
in the mail. I hope some day ARRL shall agree to accept
a list of QSL cards endorsed by the national society of
the applicant.

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ARRL and QSLs

Duncan <zl3jt@...>
 

de Jungle Telegraph
Bernie! Exactly! You've got it!
73s


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Re: What is the YO prefixs?

Bernie <kf4fhs@...>
 

Erika,

Yep, it looks like we're slowly getting the old boy figured out. I just
can't figure out how he does it.
I'm glad he didn't put the same kybosh on the Lower 48 endorsment, or
he'd have the whole USA shut down.

73 , Bernie / KF4FHS

----- Original Message -----
From: <DL2AYL@t-online.de>
To: <070@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 11:08 PM
Subject: Re: [070] What is the YO prefixs?


Yes Bernie,
I wondered about that before you and actually Romania
is just down the street here, if there are some on the band, I'll find
them.
But it was the same with the Spaniards, when Jay announced the EA Special,
the EA's disappeared from the bands. But after a while they will come back
though, just need one more call area for the
YO-endorsement, keep looking out for them!
Erika/DL2AYL



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Re: What is the YO prefixs?

Bernie <kf4fhs@...>
 

Steve,

I bet you're right. Jay has , no doubt, got something worked out with
those guys, just to frustrate us. He sure does have a lot of influence on
the PSK community to be able to make whole countries stay off the air :-)

73, Bernie / KF4FHS

Bernie -
Now you're making me feel guilty. I found YO6BHN on >10m at 1609z
today. Also heard (but couldn't get ) YO8FR. I think >those are the
only ones I've heard since 19 Jan.
I think there's something about being mentioned on the >070 page.
Jay announces the Anatolian contest, and all the TAs >disappear.
Then the DX-EA special, and the EAs are gone. Now >it's the YOs.
I wonder what would happen if there were an >endorsement for
working W3s? What would happen to me? Would I >even know that I
had disappeared? Or would it be a set of 070 diodes >that would go
in my feed line, too, so I could neither see nor be seen >by any other
070ers?
Inquiring minds want to know ....
Steve


Re: What is the YO prefixs?

DL2AYL@...
 

Yes Bernie,
I wondered about that before you and actually Romania
is just down the street here, if there are some on the band, I'll find them.
But it was the same with the Spaniards, when Jay announced the EA Special,
the EA's disappeared from the bands. But after a while they will come back
though, just need one more call area for the
YO-endorsement, keep looking out for them!
Erika/DL2AYL


Re: ARRL and QSLs

Bernie <kf4fhs@...>
 

I'm asking this question very seriously and in no way do I mean for it to be
rude or degrading to anyone or anything, but what is so special about the
ARRL's DXCC award ?
Is it because that you have to wait a year or more to get conformation of
some of your contacts, or is it because it is so hard to get people to send
a QSL at all, or what is it ??
I'm also having a little trouble figuring out how a card with all the
information printed, using a home computer, and sent via the Post Office, be
any more "legitimate" than a verified e-QSL, unless they are thinking that
somehow the postmark would help legitimize it, and if the card had been sent
in an envelope there wouldn't be a postmark on it.
eQSL requires that you send either a scan of your Ham license e-mailed to
them or a copy mailed to them, before you are eligible for any of their
awards, and only cards that have been verified in this manner will be
credited to your award standings. Am I right in thinking that the ARRL does
not require any sort of verification of any kind, other than the card was
sent through the mail?

It's sure got this old misplaced hillbilly puzzled.

73, Bernie / KF4FHS
Yelm, WA


SY (Was: What is the YO prefixs?)

Costas Krallis SV1XV <sv1xv@...>
 

At 21:18 8/3/2002 -0500, you wrote:


SV9,c31,TF,CU,3A,1A0,ZA,ER,HB0,SY has anybody ever heard these
countries on the air before on psk31 any band?
I have seen (but not worked) 3A2MW. Never have seen a SV9, 1A0
or ZA on PSK.
OK, I have 3A2MW confirmed in PSK-31 on May 25, 2001. ZA has not
appeared yet.

But SY is also Greece, same as SV. Did you mean something else?
Perhaps he means Mt.Athos. There is only one operator there,
SV2ASP/A, who is not active in PSK-31 (yet).

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Re: What is the YO prefixs?

Costas Krallis SV1XV <sv1xv@...>
 

At 19:18 8/3/2002 -0500, you wrote:
Romania actually covers YOA-YRZ, even though typically we only
see YO.
Yes, a few days ago I had an SSB QSO on 80 m with YR20T (two zero),
a special event station at Carancebes, SW Romania.

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ARRL and QSLs

Duncan <zl3jt@...>
 

de Jungle Telegraph
The ARRL statement re acceptable QSL methods, is 'gobble-de-gook'! This ARRL committee,
DXCC, will accept cards from applicants, that they have received from ZL3JT, only
if those cards are posted in the mail system. The ARRL has never checked on my 'authenticity'
to my knowledge, or, in fact anybody else, unless they 'operate' from a rare entity!

If a station is 'suspect' when one submits a card for credit, the 'suspect' station
or operator is required to submit copies of licenses, travel documents etc.
My card at eqsl.cc should be acceptable, because I have Authenticity Guaranteed at
eqsl.cc! In other words eqsl.cc has seen a copy of my genuine Amateur Radio License...
The ARRL hasn't!
If ARRL cared about their own membership, they will organise access to the Log Data
Base at eqsl.cc!
Irrespective of any method of confirmation of qsos, there will be those that 'cheat'....so
what? If they do, who cares? The Cheats are only cheating themselves in order to
raise their position on the 'EGO' list...
Then, of course, I haven't considered the multi-million dollar card printing business,
have I?
73s Duncan


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Re: What is the YO prefixs?

Steve W3HF
 

SV9,c31,TF,CU,3A,1A0,ZA,ER,HB0,SY has anybody ever heard these
countries on the air before on psk31 any band?
I have C31BO on 10 and 20; TF3VS on 20; ER1DX, ER2NB, and
ER3KS on 20; CU2AT and CU3FV on 20 and CU3BL on 10; and
HB0/DL1RWB on 20.

I have seen (but not worked) 3A2MW. Never have seen a SV9, 1A0
or ZA on PSK.

But SY is also Greece, same as SV. Did you mean something else?

Steve
W3HF


Re: What is the YO prefixs?

kf4hou <kf4hou@...>
 

ok well I think it isn't a prefix but it is numeral letter combition
though . And hey check out 12m guys lots of grt opertinuties for long
haul DX wrked Morroco ,Oman ,TA,UA9,lots of Russians SV, well abt the
whole European contient on 12m except a few hard to get ones like
SV9,c31,TF,CU,3A,1A0,ZA,ER,HB0,SY has anybody ever heard these
countries on the air before on psk31 any band?
I thought Romania only had one prefix I know they are at least 5
or
6 call areas but not a prefix this is a prefix kf ,kg ,wb call
areas
are number indentifier like 1,2,3 or kg5 or kg6

Romania actually covers YOA-YRZ, even though typically we only
see YO.

But in the prefix-counting sense, the call district is included in
the
prefix. (See, for example, the rules for the CQ WPX series, or the
PODXS DPX awards, for a detailed description.)

So include the number. I've worked YO2, YO3, YO4, YO5, YO6,
YO8, and YO9, but unfortunately only two of them since 19 Jan
2002. :-(

73,
Steve
W3HF


Re: What is the YO prefixs?

Bernie <kf4fhs@...>
 

I think you're right, Steve. You guys sure do pick on us poor ole
Westcoasters. Next time ship them diodes down South.
Man, it was just like somebody flipped a switch, when Jay announced that
YO's would be good for an endorsment. I've seen several people workin YO's
but I can only see the one side of the QSO. I wonder if they're really
talking to them or just acting like it to make me feel bad ?
73, Bernie


Bernie -

Looks like you got the shipment of Romanian diodes that was
supposed to go to Steve 'YIH. The German ones worked last year,
but he blew through the JAs in January faster than we could get the
Japanese ones installed.

Maybe this means he'll have a shot at this one, since the diodes
ended up in WA instead of ID.

Steve