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Re: Checking Eqsls

Jim K5SP
 

Okay stop this thread now. It is pointless, and serving no worthwhile purpose. I apologize for replying earlier without thinking.



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-------- Original message --------
From: Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...>
Date: 11/15/19 1:20 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] Checking Eqsls

Paul:

 

Understand what you’re saying, but errors may be due to poor log keeping which is something operators should do as a rule – garbage in, garbage out. I get a few errors from time to time, but only on Eqsl.  LoTW , as far as I know, doesn’t allow errors. Blaming it on age seems like age discrimination .

 

However, the have been issues in past with some ops deliberately sending out Eqsl’s for contacts they never made; which is why Eqsl instituted their “checking policy” a couple years ago. Have caught a couple of them and promptly rejected them. 

 

Was in the SWL game for many years before becoming a ham and there were a very few who claimed stations they never heard. One was later caught in the lie and it ended badly.

 

Doubt the HF bands will ever be in danger of being taken over by cell phones unless some amazing technology comes along that will allow operation during sunspot minimums.  On the other hand, VHF/UHF bands may be in danger at some point in time, but a lot of that is panic peddling by certain groups to keep those frequencies occupied.

 

Had to answer a question recently from a new ham who asked how to make a dipole. I answered with the formula (468 divided by freq. in MHz = length )  … that was on Novice test I took in 1977 !  Is it still on Tech test ???   Seems like a few find it easier to go to internet and ask questions instead of just looking it up. Guess I’m a relic…

 

Jerry  n9avy

 

 

 

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From: Paul Butzi (W7PFB)
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2019 12:49 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] Checking Eqsls

 

I will observe that a great many of the qsl’s I’ve gotten with errors in them (including wrong mode, wrong date, wrong time, wrong band, etc.) are from older hams with amateur extra or advanced tickets.

 

Apparently as people (including hams) age, they become a little more error Maybe if I was overwhelmed with an avalanche of error ridden QSLs I’d feel differently but so far it hasn’t been much of a burden for me to reach out in a friendly way and sort out the error by cooperating with the ham on the other end.

 

That seems more productive, frankly, and more in the general spirit of things, than bitching and moaning and accusing people of not deserving a license.

 

Those hams who occasionally (or even frequently) make errors are making an effort.  And they’re just about the only thing that’s standing between where we are now and having our spectrum allocations taken away and given to various private enterprises like cellular, etc.

 

Maybe if you viewed the hams who use FT8 and the hams who make mistakes filling out QSLs as fellow humans and fellow hams, you’d find everything more enjoyable.  None of us are perfect but most of us are trying to get along with one another, and a little tolerance for errors can go a long way.

 

-p W7PFB
73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun!



On Nov 15, 2019, at 10:28 AM, Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...> wrote:

 

Seems like many are not paying attention to details which I might attribute to those getting easier testing and lower standards.  Not everyone deserves a license.  This hobby shouldn’t be giving out participation trophies. 

 

Am sure some will disagree with me, but that is your right.  No snarky responses please.

 

Jerry  n9avy

 

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From: Jim K5SP
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2019 11:45 AM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] Checking Eqsls

 

Cards a look so. Received stack from bureau, and 3 DX were for FT8 which I also have never operated.

 

Jim K5SP 

 

 

 

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-------- Original message --------

From: Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...> 

Date: 11/15/19 9:47 AM (GMT-06:00) 

Subject: [070Club] Checking Eqsls 

 

It pays to check Eqsls for accuracy  This morning I received one from a guy stateside, but it had one glaring error.  The mode was FT8 and I have never operated that mode and don’t even have the software for it.

 

My first reaction was to respond to it with an FT8 QSO on 27 MHz., but I decided it might be an honest mistake so I just rejected it.  However, if he sends a 2nd one ….   😊

 

We should always check Eqsls for accuracy.

 

Jerry  n9avy

 

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KC9UR APE Tall Tales Posted

Bob KC9UR <v32hoosier@...>
 

Hi All - I posted our Tall Tales writeups (includes pictures and logs) for 2018 and 2019 in the Files area under "APE Tall Tales".  Thanks to all who worked us and made it lots of fun.  

Best wishes - Bob (KC9UR) and Stan (W9SMR/9)


Re: Checking Eqsls

Jerry N9AVY
 

Paul:

 

Understand what you’re saying, but errors may be due to poor log keeping which is something operators should do as a rule – garbage in, garbage out. I get a few errors from time to time, but only on Eqsl.  LoTW , as far as I know, doesn’t allow errors. Blaming it on age seems like age discrimination .

 

However, the have been issues in past with some ops deliberately sending out Eqsl’s for contacts they never made; which is why Eqsl instituted their “checking policy” a couple years ago. Have caught a couple of them and promptly rejected them. 

 

Was in the SWL game for many years before becoming a ham and there were a very few who claimed stations they never heard. One was later caught in the lie and it ended badly.

 

Doubt the HF bands will ever be in danger of being taken over by cell phones unless some amazing technology comes along that will allow operation during sunspot minimums.  On the other hand, VHF/UHF bands may be in danger at some point in time, but a lot of that is panic peddling by certain groups to keep those frequencies occupied.

 

Had to answer a question recently from a new ham who asked how to make a dipole. I answered with the formula (468 divided by freq. in MHz = length )  … that was on Novice test I took in 1977 !  Is it still on Tech test ???   Seems like a few find it easier to go to internet and ask questions instead of just looking it up. Guess I’m a relic…

 

Jerry  n9avy

 

 

 

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From: Paul Butzi (W7PFB)
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2019 12:49 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] Checking Eqsls

 

I will observe that a great many of the qsl’s I’ve gotten with errors in them (including wrong mode, wrong date, wrong time, wrong band, etc.) are from older hams with amateur extra or advanced tickets.

 

Apparently as people (including hams) age, they become a little more error Maybe if I was overwhelmed with an avalanche of error ridden QSLs I’d feel differently but so far it hasn’t been much of a burden for me to reach out in a friendly way and sort out the error by cooperating with the ham on the other end.

 

That seems more productive, frankly, and more in the general spirit of things, than bitching and moaning and accusing people of not deserving a license.

 

Those hams who occasionally (or even frequently) make errors are making an effort.  And they’re just about the only thing that’s standing between where we are now and having our spectrum allocations taken away and given to various private enterprises like cellular, etc.

 

Maybe if you viewed the hams who use FT8 and the hams who make mistakes filling out QSLs as fellow humans and fellow hams, you’d find everything more enjoyable.  None of us are perfect but most of us are trying to get along with one another, and a little tolerance for errors can go a long way.

 

-p W7PFB
73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun!



On Nov 15, 2019, at 10:28 AM, Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...> wrote:

 

Seems like many are not paying attention to details which I might attribute to those getting easier testing and lower standards.  Not everyone deserves a license.  This hobby shouldn’t be giving out participation trophies. 

 

Am sure some will disagree with me, but that is your right.  No snarky responses please.

 

Jerry  n9avy

 

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From: Jim K5SP
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2019 11:45 AM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] Checking Eqsls

 

Cards a look so. Received stack from bureau, and 3 DX were for FT8 which I also have never operated.

 

Jim K5SP 

 

 

 

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-------- Original message --------

From: Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...> 

Date: 11/15/19 9:47 AM (GMT-06:00) 

Subject: [070Club] Checking Eqsls 

 

It pays to check Eqsls for accuracy  This morning I received one from a guy stateside, but it had one glaring error.  The mode was FT8 and I have never operated that mode and don’t even have the software for it.

 

My first reaction was to respond to it with an FT8 QSO on 27 MHz., but I decided it might be an honest mistake so I just rejected it.  However, if he sends a 2nd one ….   😊

 

We should always check Eqsls for accuracy.

 

Jerry  n9avy

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


-- 
Jim,  K5SP #483
Member Services Director 

 

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Re: Checking Eqsls

Paul Butzi (W7PFB)
 

I will observe that a great many of the qsl’s I’ve gotten with errors in them (including wrong mode, wrong date, wrong time, wrong band, etc.) are from older hams with amateur extra or advanced tickets.

Apparently as people (including hams) age, they become a little more error prone.  Maybe if I was overwhelmed with an avalanche of error ridden QSLs I’d feel differently but so far it hasn’t been much of a burden for me to reach out in a friendly way and sort out the error by cooperating with the ham on the other end.

That seems more productive, frankly, and more in the general spirit of things, than bitching and moaning and accusing people of not deserving a license.

Those hams who occasionally (or even frequently) make errors are making an effort.  And they’re just about the only thing that’s standing between where we are now and having our spectrum allocations taken away and given to various private enterprises like cellular, etc.

Maybe if you viewed the hams who use FT8 and the hams who make mistakes filling out QSLs as fellow humans and fellow hams, you’d find everything more enjoyable.  None of us are perfect but most of us are trying to get along with one another, and a little tolerance for errors can go a long way.

-p W7PFB
73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun!

On Nov 15, 2019, at 10:28 AM, Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...> wrote:

Seems like many are not paying attention to details which I might attribute to those getting easier testing and lower standards.  Not everyone deserves a license.  This hobby shouldn’t be giving out participation trophies. 
 
Am sure some will disagree with me, but that is your right.  No snarky responses please.
 
Jerry  n9avy
 
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
 
From: Jim K5SP
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2019 11:45 AM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] Checking Eqsls
 
Cards a look so. Received stack from bureau, and 3 DX were for FT8 which I also have never operated.
 
Jim K5SP 
 
 
 
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-------- Original message --------
From: Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...> 
Date: 11/15/19 9:47 AM (GMT-06:00) 
Subject: [070Club] Checking Eqsls 
 
It pays to check Eqsls for accuracy  This morning I received one from a guy stateside, but it had one glaring error.  The mode was FT8 and I have never operated that mode and don’t even have the software for it.

 

My first reaction was to respond to it with an FT8 QSO on 27 MHz., but I decided it might be an honest mistake so I just rejected it.  However, if he sends a 2nd one ….   😊

 

We should always check Eqsls for accuracy.

 

Jerry  n9avy

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


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Member Services Director 

 
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Re: Checking Eqsls

Jerry N9AVY
 

Seems like many are not paying attention to details which I might attribute to those getting easier testing and lower standards.  Not everyone deserves a license.  This hobby shouldn’t be giving out participation trophies.

 

Am sure some will disagree with me, but that is your right.  No snarky responses please.

 

Jerry  n9avy

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Jim K5SP
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2019 11:45 AM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] Checking Eqsls

 

Cards a look so. Received stack from bureau, and 3 DX were for FT8 which I also have never operated.

 

Jim K5SP 

 

 

 

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-------- Original message --------

From: Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...>

Date: 11/15/19 9:47 AM (GMT-06:00)

To: 070Club@groups.io

Subject: [070Club] Checking Eqsls

 

It pays to check Eqsls for accuracy  This morning I received one from a guy stateside, but it had one glaring error.  The mode was FT8 and I have never operated that mode and don’t even have the software for it.

 

My first reaction was to respond to it with an FT8 QSO on 27 MHz., but I decided it might be an honest mistake so I just rejected it.  However, if he sends a 2nd one ….   😊

 

We should always check Eqsls for accuracy.

 

Jerry  n9avy

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


--
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Member Services Director

 


Re: Checking Eqsls

Jim K5SP
 

Cards a look so. Received stack from bureau, and 3 DX were for FT8 which I also have never operated.

Jim K5SP 



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-------- Original message --------
From: Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...>
Date: 11/15/19 9:47 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: [070Club] Checking Eqsls

It pays to check Eqsls for accuracy  This morning I received one from a guy stateside, but it had one glaring error.  The mode was FT8 and I have never operated that mode and don’t even have the software for it.

 

My first reaction was to respond to it with an FT8 QSO on 27 MHz., but I decided it might be an honest mistake so I just rejected it.  However, if he sends a 2nd one ….   😊

 

We should always check Eqsls for accuracy.

 

Jerry  n9avy

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


--
Jim,  K5SP #483
Member Services Director


Checking Eqsls

Jerry N9AVY
 

It pays to check Eqsls for accuracy.  This morning I received one from a guy stateside, but it had one glaring error.  The mode was FT8 and I have never operated that mode and don’t even have the software for it.

 

My first reaction was to respond to it with an FT8 QSO on 27 MHz., but I decided it might be an honest mistake so I just rejected it.  However, if he sends a 2nd one ….   😊

 

We should always check Eqsls for accuracy.

 

Jerry  n9avy

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: Looking for following stations:

1470 <boat.anchor@...>
 

Jerry
Best of luck in these rough times.
Barry


Looking for following stations:

Jerry N9AVY
 

Need to finish up another level for LONP and only need 3 more.   I you see this message can we set up a sked ???

 

CM3RSV

HA0NGT

IZ4WLD

KB0VFT

KZ1O

LZ4BU

ON4AD

PA3HIZ

Or any others who have never worked my station.

 

Went back to September of this year and found these station were active.  Band 20/40m  UTC times to NA.

 

 

Thank you !

 

 

Jerry   n9avy

 

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Re: 366 Congrats to Steve, VA3TPS

Fr Richard R
 

Yep David, HOA is only a means to be creative........






On Tuesday, November 12, 2019, 7:40:01 PM EST, David, K9DWR <david@...> wrote:


* Fr Richard R via Groups.Io <rickocr2005=yahoo.com@groups.io> [2019-11-12 19:03]:
> Yes Rick I plan on being on the air At the end of Feb. 2020, even if I have
> to setup my gear again in a temporary configuration.  Finally moved into a
> new home, though with a HOA.

HOA != no radio, it just means you have to be more creative and work with what
you have.  It's not perfect, but I've been able to get around the world.
PSK-31 is a big part of that success.  Digital modes let you do things that
would not be possible with voice.  :-)


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#1604 LONP #255
david@...




Re: 366 Congrats to Steve, VA3TPS

David, K9DWR
 

* Fr Richard R via Groups.Io <rickocr2005=yahoo.com@groups.io> [2019-11-12 19:03]:
Yes Rick I plan on being on the air At the end of Feb. 2020, even if I have
to setup my gear again in a temporary configuration. Finally moved into a
new home, though with a HOA.
HOA != no radio, it just means you have to be more creative and work with what
you have. It's not perfect, but I've been able to get around the world.
PSK-31 is a big part of that success. Digital modes let you do things that
would not be possible with voice. :-)


--
David, K9DWR
#1604 LONP #255
david@graniteweb.com


Re: 366 Congrats to Steve, VA3TPS

Fr Richard R
 

Yes Rick I plan on being on the air At the end of Feb. 2020, even if I have to setup my gear again in a temporary configuration.  
Finally moved into a new home, though with a HOA. 

I’ll be on the air!!!!

Fr Richard 
WB8YXF 

On Nov 12, 2019, at 18:49, Rick - N7WE <n7we1980@...> wrote:

24/7, 365, and 366.  Each endorsement requires learning different parts of Amatuer radio and a different set of skills.  24/7 not only tests your ability to get up (or stay up) for crazy hours in the dark, but it also demands you master certain aspects of propagation.  Figuring out where you can find another station at 0700 UTC depends on understanding shifts in the layers of the ionosphere and your location relative to UTC and the changes when the grey line passes.  365 tests your ability to find time every day for ham radio.  It tests not only operating skills, but also your ability to manage your hobby among the other demands of life.  Amateur Radio Code - "BALANCED...Radio is a hobby, never interfering with duties owed to family, job, school or community."  And finally, 366 test your patience!  Leap Day only comes around once every 4 years.  If you missed it in 2016 (the first year of 365/366) your opportunity is coming!  February 29, 2020 is rapidly approaching!

I believe Clock and Calendar (365, Leap Day, and 24/7 completed) is the ultimate endorsement that 070 Club has offered.  So far 20 of our 2700+ members have achieved it.  But there are several who only need that Leap Day.  I'm quite sure they will be on air on Feb. 29, 2020.  Regardless of where you stand on 365 or 24/7 you should plan to be there too!  It won't come around again for another 4 years!

--
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070 - #1602


Re: 366 Congrats to Steve, VA3TPS

Rick - N7WE
 

24/7, 365, and 366.  Each endorsement requires learning different parts of Amatuer radio and a different set of skills.  24/7 not only tests your ability to get up (or stay up) for crazy hours in the dark, but it also demands you master certain aspects of propagation.  Figuring out where you can find another station at 0700 UTC depends on understanding shifts in the layers of the ionosphere and your location relative to UTC and the changes when the grey line passes.  365 tests your ability to find time every day for ham radio.  It tests not only operating skills, but also your ability to manage your hobby among the other demands of life.  Amateur Radio Code - "BALANCED...Radio is a hobby, never interfering with duties owed to family, job, school or community."  And finally, 366 test your patience!  Leap Day only comes around once every 4 years.  If you missed it in 2016 (the first year of 365/366) your opportunity is coming!  February 29, 2020 is rapidly approaching!

I believe Clock and Calendar (365, Leap Day, and 24/7 completed) is the ultimate endorsement that 070 Club has offered.  So far 20 of our 2700+ members have achieved it.  But there are several who only need that Leap Day.  I'm quite sure they will be on air on Feb. 29, 2020.  Regardless of where you stand on 365 or 24/7 you should plan to be there too!  It won't come around again for another 4 years!

--
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070 - #1602


Re: 366 Congrats to Steve, VA3TPS

Jerry N9AVY
 

Pretty much did same thing and I had days when I didn’t know if I was coming or going.  But I completed it faster than most.  Completing 366 with the terrible conditions we have now it a better feat.

 

Jerry  n9avy

 

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From: David, K9DWR
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 4:08 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] 366 Congrats to Steve, VA3TPS

 

* 1470 via Groups.Io <boat.anchor@...> [2019-11-12 09:59]:

> Congrads Steve

> I gave it a good shot to try for the 24/7 Award

> but being still married the CFO shut down that endeavor right smart like.

> Way to go.

 

Hah!  I spent a lot of time napping on the couch to get the 24/7 award.  Wake

up every hour, check the waterfall, go back to napping.  If I got lucky early

in the hour, I could get a solid 90 minutes of sleep before trying again. :-)

 

Definitely a marathon, not a sprint.

 

--

David, K9DWR

#1604 LONP #255

david@...

 

 

 


Re: 366 Congrats to Steve, VA3TPS

David, K9DWR
 

* 1470 via Groups.Io <boat.anchor=yahoo.ca@groups.io> [2019-11-12 09:59]:
Congrads Steve
I gave it a good shot to try for the 24/7 Award
but being still married the CFO shut down that endeavor right smart like.
Way to go.
Hah! I spent a lot of time napping on the couch to get the 24/7 award. Wake
up every hour, check the waterfall, go back to napping. If I got lucky early
in the hour, I could get a solid 90 minutes of sleep before trying again. :-)

Definitely a marathon, not a sprint.

--
David, K9DWR
#1604 LONP #255
david@graniteweb.com


Re: 366 Congrats to Steve, VA3TPS

1470 <boat.anchor@...>
 

Congrads Steve
I gave it a good shot to try for the 24/7 Award
but being still married the CFO shut down that endeavor right smart like.
Way to go.
Barry


Re: 366 Congrats to Steve, VA3TPS

Rick - N7WE
 

Steve-
Congrats!  I think you are only the second Canadian station to complete 366.  Way to go!
--
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070 - #1602


Re: 366 Congrats to Steve, VA3TPS

David, K9DWR
 

* stan robinson <robinstan@hotmail.com> [2019-11-11 19:46]:
*GOOD JOB, Steve*.

Looks like your latest upload got you the 4 missing dates and gives you the hard to get *366 Award*.

It also looks like you should be qualified for the *Clock and Calendar Award* since you do have the *24/7 Award* already.
Very cool, indeed. It's a long road, but worth the investment. :-)

--
David, K9DWR
#1604 LONP #255
david@graniteweb.com


366 Congrats to Steve, VA3TPS

stan W9SMR
 

GOOD JOB, Steve

Looks like your latest upload got you the 4 missing dates and gives you the hard to get 366 Award.

It also looks like you should be qualified for the Clock and Calendar Award since you do have the 24/7 Award already.

73,
Stan
W9SMR - 070  #1611
PODXS 070 - PR Director


Re: Scorer ????

David, K9DWR
 

* Jim K5SP <jinnis@swbell.net> [2019-11-11 14:35]:
So, should we consider submitting the logs for Triple Play to the volunteers
to manually score?Jim K5SP Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S10e, an AT&T 5G
Evolution capable smartphone
That may not be a bad idea. I'll have to see if I can put something together
that can plug the holes if it can't be fixed otherwise. Replacing the scorer
is going to be something else I have to address sooner or later; might as well
be sooner.

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#1604 LONP #255
david@graniteweb.com

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