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Re: Membership Requirements

Stephen Melachrinos
 

Jim -

I'm really not positive--I wasn't around when the club actually started, and didn't become active in management until a few years later. But my suspicion is that the founding members (Jay, Jay, Jay and Tom) wanted to make sure that logs weren't completely faked. Back when we started, LoTW didn't exist yet--the only online QSL system (that I recall) was eQSL. I'm not positive, but I probably scanned either a QSL card or an eQSL and emailed that in. 

I think we made a significant improvement in implementing this when the membership checker "accepted" a QSO record from someone else who had uploaded a log. 

Going forward, I don't know. I'm a traditionalist--I don't generally like changes for the sake of change. I don't think that asking an applicant to show proof of one of the QSOs is a great hardship. With all the online QSL systems that now exist (eQSL, LoTW, QRZ, HRD, etc) and the endorsement checker option available, I'd be tempted to leave things as-is.

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim K5SP <jinnis@...>
To: 070Club <070Club@groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Dec 30, 2019 4:38 pm
Subject: Re: [070Club] Membership Requirements

Steve, one of the membership requirements that I have always wondered about is the need to either match a qso in the log submitted, or, submit a qsl card as proof.
Everything else in 070 is based up honesty and integrity of the members, in contests and for endorsements, there is no validation of the contacts.  So why was the proof required for membership when the organization founded?
Should we consider dropping the contact confirmation, and just accept a log showing they have whatever number of unique PSK-31 contacts we require?
Jim K5SP
On 12/30/2019 5:27 AM, Stephen Melachrinos via Groups.Io wrote:
Dan -

Yes, that's the way they deal with callsign "management." I suspect it's an artifact of their fully-automated system--they may not have the code written to implement and validate callsign changes, or the ability to process log files created under different callsigns during distinct callsign effectivity periods.

I don't know what happens if someone then is assigned a call that was previously registered (by the former holder) as an EPC member. Does the system recognize that someone new has the call? Or does the new holder "inherit" the QSOs of the first holder.

We're getting off-topic now, and should probably drop this discussion of EPC as irrelevant to the 070 club. I think the point has been made that EPC and 070 have different membership models, both driven by and driving their respective club implementations.

Steve
W3HF


-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Morris - KZ3T <dbmorris315@...>
To: 070Club <070Club@groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Dec 29, 2019 9:08 pm
Subject: Re: [070Club] Membership Requirements

Interesting comment about the EPC club. I also joined them but it wasn’t long before I just stopped even giving out my number.  This is interesting in how they do their numbers. Not sure how many people realize this and one so an see that their numbers are way up there but those member numbers are very deceiving.  EveryOne know how hams change their call signs on a whim.  Well, if you have an EPC number and you change your call sign, then you have to or are supposed to get a NEW NUMBER! That really is absurd. . . So the number follows the call and if the call goes away, so does the number.

Dan Morris KZ3T #070 1965



--
Jim,  K5SP #483
Member Services Director


Re: Membership Requirements

Jim K5SP
 

Steve, one of the membership requirements that I have always wondered about is the need to either match a qso in the log submitted, or, submit a qsl card as proof.

Everything else in 070 is based up honesty and integrity of the members, in contests and for endorsements, there is no validation of the contacts.  So why was the proof required for membership when the organization founded?

Should we consider dropping the contact confirmation, and just accept a log showing they have whatever number of unique PSK-31 contacts we require?

Jim K5SP

On 12/30/2019 5:27 AM, Stephen Melachrinos via Groups.Io wrote:
Dan -

Yes, that's the way they deal with callsign "management." I suspect it's an artifact of their fully-automated system--they may not have the code written to implement and validate callsign changes, or the ability to process log files created under different callsigns during distinct callsign effectivity periods.

I don't know what happens if someone then is assigned a call that was previously registered (by the former holder) as an EPC member. Does the system recognize that someone new has the call? Or does the new holder "inherit" the QSOs of the first holder.

We're getting off-topic now, and should probably drop this discussion of EPC as irrelevant to the 070 club. I think the point has been made that EPC and 070 have different membership models, both driven by and driving their respective club implementations.

Steve
W3HF


-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Morris - KZ3T <dbmorris315@...>
To: 070Club <070Club@groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Dec 29, 2019 9:08 pm
Subject: Re: [070Club] Membership Requirements

Interesting comment about the EPC club. I also joined them but it wasn’t long before I just stopped even giving out my number.  This is interesting in how they do their numbers. Not sure how many people realize this and one so an see that their numbers are way up there but those member numbers are very deceiving.  EveryOne know how hams change their call signs on a whim.  Well, if you have an EPC number and you change your call sign, then you have to or are supposed to get a NEW NUMBER! That really is absurd. . . So the number follows the call and if the call goes away, so does the number.

Dan Morris KZ3T #070 1965



--
Jim,  K5SP #483
Member Services Director


Re: Membership Requirements

Jim K5SP
 

Jordi, currently the endorsement checker is being worked on.  When it is fixed/new software in place, you can resubmit your log for credit.

73

Jim K5SP
Membership Director

On 12/30/2019 1:10 PM, JORDI TARRIDA wrote:
Hi to all...

This year I participated on 25 on 25 but the checker does not work, I have sent an email to David KJ4IZW but I have not received an answer, what can I do to get the endorsement ?

Sorry for my broken english...

73 de Jordi.
EB3JT

Missatge de David, K9DWR <david@...> del dia dg., 29 de des. 2019 a les 23:18:
* Don_KB9UMT via Groups.Io <dhobson123=aol.com@groups.io> [2019-12-29 10:00]:
>
> - Why is there requirements that a to become a 070 member you have to have 50
> PSK contacts and 1 confirmed?
>
> - Out of all the other digital mode clubs like EPC, DMC, 30MDG, FH, etc. only
> 070 requires QSOs prior to becoming a member to become an active 070
> member...wouldn't it be better to just let anyone join then get more active
> with 070 and PSK?
>
> -  Noticed that ALL 070 Contests are open to anyone now....so why not open
> 070 membership to anyone that just wants to join without having 50 PSK
> contacts and 1 confirmed?
>
> -  Keep in mind that 50 PSK contacts years ago could be completed in a day or
> even a few hours but with FT8 taking the front seat for most used digital
> mode why would you want to limit members that just want to join and now that
> contests are open to anyone wouldn't that make more sense?
>
> -  I have also noticed that most times I am on the 070 Website that over on
> the right side of the Home Page "Who's Online" most times there is between
> over 100 to over 200 guests online looking at 070 so why not open it up for
> membership to anyone with no hoops to jump....just request membership then
> hope for more members to increase 070 and PSK activity..?
>
> Again just wondering and it would be nice to see 070 membership numbers and
> PSK activity on the bands increase so I'm all for 070/PSK.


Don,

These are some great questions.  I would assume the requirement for
coming in with contacts was originally put in place to show a level of
commitment to PSK (probably to weed out "paper chasers" not interested
helping the club as a whole).  That's just a guess on my part, but it's
worth reviewing.  If there isn't a solid reason for it, it might be time
to change it.

The impetus behind opening the contests to everyone was for similar
reasons, so it's a reasonable thing to consider.  Maybe a
modification/combination of both would work instead?  For example,
instead of 50 + a confirmed QSO, maybe just the confirmed QSO.  I don't
think it would be unreasonable to show at least some minimal proof of an
interest in PSK31.  The single QSO would be enough to meet that with a
minimum of effort.

I'd be interested in hearing what more people think about this.

--
David, K9DWR
#1604 LONP #255
david@...




--
Jim,  K5SP #483
Member Services Director


Re: Membership Requirements

JORDI TARRIDA
 

Hi to all...

This year I participated on 25 on 25 but the checker does not work, I have sent an email to David KJ4IZW but I have not received an answer, what can I do to get the endorsement ?

Sorry for my broken english...

73 de Jordi.
EB3JT

Missatge de David, K9DWR <david@...> del dia dg., 29 de des. 2019 a les 23:18:

* Don_KB9UMT via Groups.Io <dhobson123=aol.com@groups.io> [2019-12-29 10:00]:
>
> - Why is there requirements that a to become a 070 member you have to have 50
> PSK contacts and 1 confirmed?
>
> - Out of all the other digital mode clubs like EPC, DMC, 30MDG, FH, etc. only
> 070 requires QSOs prior to becoming a member to become an active 070
> member...wouldn't it be better to just let anyone join then get more active
> with 070 and PSK?
>
> -  Noticed that ALL 070 Contests are open to anyone now....so why not open
> 070 membership to anyone that just wants to join without having 50 PSK
> contacts and 1 confirmed?
>
> -  Keep in mind that 50 PSK contacts years ago could be completed in a day or
> even a few hours but with FT8 taking the front seat for most used digital
> mode why would you want to limit members that just want to join and now that
> contests are open to anyone wouldn't that make more sense?
>
> -  I have also noticed that most times I am on the 070 Website that over on
> the right side of the Home Page "Who's Online" most times there is between
> over 100 to over 200 guests online looking at 070 so why not open it up for
> membership to anyone with no hoops to jump....just request membership then
> hope for more members to increase 070 and PSK activity..?
>
> Again just wondering and it would be nice to see 070 membership numbers and
> PSK activity on the bands increase so I'm all for 070/PSK.


Don,

These are some great questions.  I would assume the requirement for
coming in with contacts was originally put in place to show a level of
commitment to PSK (probably to weed out "paper chasers" not interested
helping the club as a whole).  That's just a guess on my part, but it's
worth reviewing.  If there isn't a solid reason for it, it might be time
to change it.

The impetus behind opening the contests to everyone was for similar
reasons, so it's a reasonable thing to consider.  Maybe a
modification/combination of both would work instead?  For example,
instead of 50 + a confirmed QSO, maybe just the confirmed QSO.  I don't
think it would be unreasonable to show at least some minimal proof of an
interest in PSK31.  The single QSO would be enough to meet that with a
minimum of effort.

I'd be interested in hearing what more people think about this.

--
David, K9DWR
#1604 LONP #255
david@...




Re: Welcome 2719

Rick - N7WE
 

Welcome Ryan!  Glad to see you on board and look forward to working you again in PSK Fest!
--
Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602


Importance of PODXS

 

Just finished reading the thread on Membership Requirements and realize how important this club is to keeping PSK alive.  I joined the club about two and a half yrs ago because I wanted to participate in the contests.  Wouldn't you know the following contests didn't require membership so I became a dormant member.  About six or seven months ago I had a qso with Stan (W9SMR) and noticed he was the PR guy for the club so I asked him about how and where to upload my log.  Yup, it's clearly explained in the opening packet that I threw in the bottom drawer with all the manuals and ham stuff.  So I uploaded the log and Stan sent me an email saying that I almost broke the computer after uploading about 7000 contacts and walked me thru the process of going thru the endorsements.  It was off to the races, I was on fire.  Started looking for IOTA stations, counting down the day for that last 366 contact, chasing Dick (KC3EF) around the country for grids and looking forward to racking up some 160 mtr contacts.  Haven't worked FT8 mode since that qso with Stan.  I'm a reborn PSKer.  So does PODXS spark an interest in the mode?  It was for me, I'm on someones waterfall every day. Since I couldn't figure out how to upload the log (probably should have read the welcome letter), I added to my macro that says how I qsl " I also upload to PODXS" and sure enough I've had at least a half dozen stations ask how to upload the logs.  Kinda made me feel better that I wasn't the only one.

I posted a response to a thread a while ago but it was the last post so I don't think anyone saw it.  It had to do with membership numbers.  As I said I joined abt two and a half years ago as #2566.  Last member was #2719.  That's only 153 new members in two and a half years or 61 joiners a year.  I try to talk up the club in some of my qso's and see others doing the same.  One station I told about the club became a member the next day, so talking it up works.  I know we are experiencing a computer dilemma and I don't know what it takes to create a new endorsement, but a "Recruitment Endorsement" might help build the ranks.  Might recruit a computer guru that can help with the current problem.  Add the question "Who got you interested in PODXS?" to the application and create different levels of achievement.  I am sure the numbers would grow.  If you ran a business you would know that if your business doesn't grow, it dies.  Clubs do the same thing.  As someone said, "We are the recruiters".

Happy New Year





Re: PSKfest – Heads Up ! One week away...

Geary McDowell
 

Hey Ken, N6PCD
I think I need three, I have the cards, but electronic loggings say I still need three.  I hope too the bands are cooperative next weekend.  I would like to add more PSK to bands other than 20M too.  I do about 99.5% digital with 99% of that PSK.  I like to ragchew!  HI HI
73 and see all y'all next weekend on the waterfall.
Geary, KE5IRK
PODXS #1787  LONP #417

On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 10:17 AM Ken Campbell <n6pcd1@...> wrote:
Hiyas!

Should be a grand time for all involved. Hopefully the propagation will be good. Maybe I’ll be able to pick up the last four states I need for my WAS Digital PSK 31 endorsement?!?! 😁

Hope to see many of you on my waterfall! 👍🏻

All the best,
Ken, N6PCD
070 #801



--
When all else fails, Amateur Radio works.


Re: Welcome 2719

David, K9DWR
 

* Jim K5SP <jinnis@swbell.net> [2019-12-30 09:08]:
Please join me in welcoming new member(s):

*2719  Ryan  KC0QNB*
Welcome!

--
David, K9DWR
#1604 LONP #255
david@graniteweb.com


Re: Status

Geary McDowell
 

Thank you to all who are helping keep the PODX club going.  It is a major task and will take many volunteers to keep it great.  The 070 club is the only one I enjoy being a member of and participating in events; as a non-contester, I feel no pressure to be on the radio for contest, so I am there just having fun and BOOM here come endorsements and awards.  I used to develop and maintain several web sites in schools, the school graduated classes, school and family reunions, youth groups, etc.  I have forgotten so much and it has changed so much I am having trouble updating a family craft hobby web site and may drop it.  I have also done mailings for high school reunions every two years.  I found out this past Easter reunion, that was my last one doing that.  Between diabetes for over 30 yrs taking its toll on nerves and now a spine injury, I have withdrawn from everything I used to do other than a local storm team NCS, and that will go away soon probably as some days I do good to get out of bed and the eyes are going really bad thanks to my sweetness and abusing them growing up in the farming industry.  BUT, all this means is his:  I understand the efforts that go into this club, I applaud all who can and will assist.  I am no longer able to reliably be of help, so I won't volunteer and disappoint.  Thank you again to all who do what they do in so many ways to make this club a fun one to be a member of.
God Bless you each and every one,
73, Geary McDowell, KE5IRK

On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 9:15 AM Jim K5SP <jinnis@...> wrote:

This reflector has been quite "busy" over the past few days, and there have been some meaningful discussions among the members.  I would like to provide a status to all the membership of what has/is been taking place over the past couple of months.

Website:

As you are aware, we have somewhat of a crisis with the club website.  The website has many functions relating to membership, endorsements, awards, contests, standings, and a few more items.  These functions intertwine with google docs, and another website hamclubs.infoALL of our functions use all of these other sites.

Why is this a problem?  1.  Our domain, podxs070, expires on 1/9/20.  The domain is managed by a member that is no longer able to perform that duty.  We are in the process of getting the domain management changed, and the domain renewed.  This process was drastically slowed by the holidays. 
2. Hamclubs.info is not our site, it belongs to KJ4IZW, who due to family and other obligations does not have time to maintain that site.  All our .cgi scripts which interact with our site, google docs, and his site were developed by him, belong to him, and we have no access to them to update/fix bugs, etc.
3. On March 31, the API's used to interface with google docs is being deprecated, and will no longer work.  Almost all of our links will crash, that includes membership applications, endorsements, awards, status, everything.

What is in the works:  David K9DWR is furiously trying to rewrite the software programs that underlie the website.  He has started on the endorsement checker, and will attack the others once he has it working.  We are changing to Python.  If we have any Python programmers, raise your hands and help on this.  Once David has the checker working, he will be able to assign tasks to other programmers.  We would like to eliminate the google docs problem by eventually changing everything to a database. Any database gurus, raise your hands now.  We are fully aware that the likelihood of getting a functioning database in place by the end of March is nearly impossible. So in the interim, we have the problem that we are unsure if KJ4IZW is going to continue letting us use hamclubs.info.  What we need here is new API's to meet the new standards set by google.docs. Any API writers raise your hands.

Contest Scoring:

As many of you are aware, the scorer is broken.  We have had to revert to using a spreadsheet developed by Rick, for the last contest.  We have had a volunteer, but he was unable to score the most recent contest due to a family emergency.  We have had another volunteer step up and is currently working of scoring the most recent contest.  this is a slow process.

Membership:

As membership director, my duties are to process the applications, send the emails with membership details to the new member, send the welcome messages to the group and the new member; maintain the membership spreadsheet (address, email, call sign, and other changes) this includes making sure that if a member changes his call, his number points to both calls.  I also process requests to join Clublog, our two groups.io reflectors.  I do not do mailings of any kind.

Mailings:

Membership packets were mailed by the director, as he had all the materials on hand to perform those duties.  He also did the mailings of all stickers and awards.  Our membership director split some of those dutes up with John KE4JB, but he developed health issues and has dropped from ham radio. When we can get all the envelopes, stamps, funds, sticker templates, from the current individual, mailings will resume, we have volunteers to perform these duties.  The last membership packet mailed was for #2658, if your number is higher than that, your packet will be coming soon.

Club Leadership:

Their will be some changes in the club leadership, when these occur, we will notify all the members with an announcement.

I would like to thank the members that have volunteered to assist with maintaining this fantastic club.  David K9DWR, Stan W9SMR, Rick N7WE, Bill N4GBK, Dick KC3EF, John KG5OIB, Bill KG5RMJ, Dusty W5DP, Richard K4RJD, Milt N6MG, Bob KK6KMU.  And if I missed anyone, my sincere apologies.  Some are standing by for assignments once we have control of the website and software.  Also, a Joomal guru would be welcome, as I am still learning that platform. 

Thanks to everyone for making this the greatest club, with the greatest members in ham radio.

Jim K5SP
Membership Director




--
Jim,  K5SP #483
Member Services Director



--
When all else fails, Amateur Radio works.


Re: PSKfest – Heads Up ! One week away...

Ken Campbell <n6pcd1@...>
 

Hiyas!

Should be a grand time for all involved. Hopefully the propagation will be good. Maybe I’ll be able to pick up the last four states I need for my WAS Digital PSK 31 endorsement?!?! 😁

Hope to see many of you on my waterfall! 👍🏻

All the best,
Ken, N6PCD
070 #801


Re: Status

Kevin Lyons, K1KL
 

Nicely done, Jim. Thank you.


Re: Membership Requirements

Jim K5SP
 

Great thread.  It is my understanding that the requirement for 50 contacts was to ensure that the membership consisted of operators that were "more dedicated" to PSK31. 

There are many valid points in this thread and my opinion is that once the current club issues are worked out, and progress is being made on maintaining the software behind the website, that the leadership issue a request from the 2719 members on what they consider problems with the current procedures for membership, endorsements, etc., then the BOD can examine the members requests and make changes where deemed necessary.

As for membership, I am against have no requirements, as this requirement filters out those that are just number collectors.  I believe this requirement helps ensure that we have the best operators of PSK in the world.  We have a membership of people that will go out of their way to assist others with issues, and do it in a manner that is helpful and not condescending.  Unlike some other clubs which I won't mention, you do not see the "flaming" between members when an issue arises.  The camaraderie between members is fantastic, lets keep it that way.
--
Jim,  K5SP #483
Member Services Director


Status

Jim K5SP
 

This reflector has been quite "busy" over the past few days, and there have been some meaningful discussions among the members.  I would like to provide a status to all the membership of what has/is been taking place over the past couple of months.

Website:

As you are aware, we have somewhat of a crisis with the club website.  The website has many functions relating to membership, endorsements, awards, contests, standings, and a few more items.  These functions intertwine with google docs, and another website hamclubs.info.  ALL of our functions use all of these other sites.

Why is this a problem?  1.  Our domain, podxs070, expires on 1/9/20.  The domain is managed by a member that is no longer able to perform that duty.  We are in the process of getting the domain management changed, and the domain renewed.  This process was drastically slowed by the holidays. 
2. Hamclubs.info is not our site, it belongs to KJ4IZW, who due to family and other obligations does not have time to maintain that site.  All our .cgi scripts which interact with our site, google docs, and his site were developed by him, belong to him, and we have no access to them to update/fix bugs, etc.
3. On March 31, the API's used to interface with google docs is being deprecated, and will no longer work.  Almost all of our links will crash, that includes membership applications, endorsements, awards, status, everything.

What is in the works:  David K9DWR is furiously trying to rewrite the software programs that underlie the website.  He has started on the endorsement checker, and will attack the others once he has it working.  We are changing to Python.  If we have any Python programmers, raise your hands and help on this.  Once David has the checker working, he will be able to assign tasks to other programmers.  We would like to eliminate the google docs problem by eventually changing everything to a database. Any database gurus, raise your hands now.  We are fully aware that the likelihood of getting a functioning database in place by the end of March is nearly impossible. So in the interim, we have the problem that we are unsure if KJ4IZW is going to continue letting us use hamclubs.info.  What we need here is new API's to meet the new standards set by google.docs. Any API writers raise your hands.

Contest Scoring:

As many of you are aware, the scorer is broken.  We have had to revert to using a spreadsheet developed by Rick, for the last contest.  We have had a volunteer, but he was unable to score the most recent contest due to a family emergency.  We have had another volunteer step up and is currently working of scoring the most recent contest.  this is a slow process.

Membership:

As membership director, my duties are to process the applications, send the emails with membership details to the new member, send the welcome messages to the group and the new member; maintain the membership spreadsheet (address, email, call sign, and other changes) this includes making sure that if a member changes his call, his number points to both calls.  I also process requests to join Clublog, our two groups.io reflectors.  I do not do mailings of any kind.

Mailings:

Membership packets were mailed by the director, as he had all the materials on hand to perform those duties.  He also did the mailings of all stickers and awards.  Our membership director split some of those dutes up with John KE4JB, but he developed health issues and has dropped from ham radio. When we can get all the envelopes, stamps, funds, sticker templates, from the current individual, mailings will resume, we have volunteers to perform these duties.  The last membership packet mailed was for #2658, if your number is higher than that, your packet will be coming soon.

Club Leadership:

Their will be some changes in the club leadership, when these occur, we will notify all the members with an announcement.

I would like to thank the members that have volunteered to assist with maintaining this fantastic club.  David K9DWR, Stan W9SMR, Rick N7WE, Bill N4GBK, Dick KC3EF, John KG5OIB, Bill KG5RMJ, Dusty W5DP, Richard K4RJD, Milt N6MG, Bob KK6KMU.  And if I missed anyone, my sincere apologies.  Some are standing by for assignments once we have control of the website and software.  Also, a Joomal guru would be welcome, as I am still learning that platform. 

Thanks to everyone for making this the greatest club, with the greatest members in ham radio.

Jim K5SP
Membership Director




--
Jim,  K5SP #483
Member Services Director


Welcome 2719

Jim K5SP
 

Please join me in welcoming new member(s):

2719  Ryan  KC0QNB

Jim K5SP
Membership Director
--
Jim,  K5SP #483
Member Services Director


Re: Membership Requirements

Stephen Melachrinos
 

Dan -

Yes, that's the way they deal with callsign "management." I suspect it's an artifact of their fully-automated system--they may not have the code written to implement and validate callsign changes, or the ability to process log files created under different callsigns during distinct callsign effectivity periods.

I don't know what happens if someone then is assigned a call that was previously registered (by the former holder) as an EPC member. Does the system recognize that someone new has the call? Or does the new holder "inherit" the QSOs of the first holder.

We're getting off-topic now, and should probably drop this discussion of EPC as irrelevant to the 070 club. I think the point has been made that EPC and 070 have different membership models, both driven by and driving their respective club implementations.

Steve
W3HF


-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Morris - KZ3T <dbmorris315@...>
To: 070Club <070Club@groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Dec 29, 2019 9:08 pm
Subject: Re: [070Club] Membership Requirements

Interesting comment about the EPC club. I also joined them but it wasn’t long before I just stopped even giving out my number.  This is interesting in how they do their numbers. Not sure how many people realize this and one so an see that their numbers are way up there but those member numbers are very deceiving.  EveryOne know how hams change their call signs on a whim.  Well, if you have an EPC number and you change your call sign, then you have to or are supposed to get a NEW NUMBER! That really is absurd. . . So the number follows the call and if the call goes away, so does the number.

Dan Morris KZ3T #070 1965
dbmorris315@...



Re: Was PSKfest – Now Help Ryan

Jim K5SP
 

He must have got, just noticed membership application is in the queue for processing.

Jim K5SP 
Membership Director 



Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S10e, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: "David, K9DWR" <david@...>
Date: 12/29/19 6:59 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] Was PSKfest – Now Help Ryan

* Dan Morris - KZ3T <dbmorris315@...> [2019-12-29 19:51]:
> Well, I tried but I’m getting nothing on 40M right now.. .
>

Deaf as a post here, too :-(

--
David, K9DWR
#1604 LONP #255
david@...




--
Jim,  K5SP #483
Member Services Director


Re: Membership Requirements

Dan Morris - KZ3T
 

Interesting comment about the EPC club. I also joined them but it wasn’t long before I just stopped even giving out my number.  This is interesting in how they do their numbers. Not sure how many people realize this and one so an see that their numbers are way up there but those member numbers are very deceiving.  EveryOne know how hams change their call signs on a whim.  Well, if you have an EPC number and you change your call sign, then you have to or are supposed to get a NEW NUMBER! That really is absurd. . . So the number follows the call and if the call goes away, so does the number.

Dan Morris KZ3T #070 1965
dbmorris315@...

On Dec 29, 2019, at 8:15 PM, Stephen Melachrinos via Groups.Io <melachri@...> wrote:


David (and others) -

You are exactly correct. The requirement was to ensure that the prospective member was already a PSK operator with enough of a commitment to make the 50 QSOs. And remember that the 50 QSO requirement was established in 2000, not long after PSK31 was developed, and long before it became (for a while) the most popular digital mode.

I just looked at my log, and it took me 18 days back in November/December of 2000 to make my 50 QSOs and become 070 member #25.

Yes, some other clubs don't require any "proof" of activity to join--EPC is a prime example. But as Rick pointed out, the philosophy of the 070 club has always included mailing membership certificates and endorsements, and that cost is signficant. AFAIK, EPC doesn't have to mail anything--their awards are auto-generated for download (and printing if you want) by the applicant.

(Full disclosure note: I have to confess that although I never signed up for EPC, I did join the Flying Pigs QRP Sociey, another one of the "just apply online for a member number" clubs. But in my defense, it was because another 070 club member wanted to get FP credit for the sked I wanted for LONP credit. That was the only QSO in which I shared my FPQRP number.)

My personal opinion is that there still should be an operating requirement for membership, but maybe it doesn't need to be 50 QSOs now. I think some of Rick's suggestions have merit and could/should be discussed. 

Steve
W3HF
070 #25
(and who just celebrated the 19th anniversary of my first PSK31 QSO)


-----Original Message-----
From: David, K9DWR <david@...>
To: 070Club <070Club@groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Dec 29, 2019 5:18 pm
Subject: [070Club] Membership Requirements

* Don_KB9UMT via Groups.Io <dhobson123=aol.com@groups.io> [2019-12-29 10:00]:
>
> - Why is there requirements that a to become a 070 member you have to have 50
> PSK contacts and 1 confirmed?
>
> - Out of all the other digital mode clubs like EPC, DMC, 30MDG, FH, etc. only
> 070 requires QSOs prior to becoming a member to become an active 070
> member...wouldn't it be better to just let anyone join then get more active
> with 070 and PSK?
>
> -  Noticed that ALL 070 Contests are open to anyone now....so why not open
> 070 membership to anyone that just wants to join without having 50 PSK
> contacts and 1 confirmed?
>
> -  Keep in mind that 50 PSK contacts years ago could be completed in a day or
> even a few hours but with FT8 taking the front seat for most used digital
> mode why would you want to limit members that just want to join and now that
> contests are open to anyone wouldn't that make more sense?
>
> -  I have also noticed that most times I am on the 070 Website that over on
> the right side of the Home Page "Who's Online" most times there is between
> over 100 to over 200 guests online looking at 070 so why not open it up for
> membership to anyone with no hoops to jump....just request membership then
> hope for more members to increase 070 and PSK activity..?
>
> Again just wondering and it would be nice to see 070 membership numbers and
> PSK activity on the bands increase so I'm all for 070/PSK.


Don,

These are some great questions.  I would assume the requirement for
coming in with contacts was originally put in place to show a level of
commitment to PSK (probably to weed out "paper chasers" not interested
helping the club as a whole).  That's just a guess on my part, but it's
worth reviewing.  If there isn't a solid reason for it, it might be time
to change it.

The impetus behind opening the contests to everyone was for similar
reasons, so it's a reasonable thing to consider.  Maybe a
modification/combination of both would work instead?  For example,
instead of 50 + a confirmed QSO, maybe just the confirmed QSO.  I don't
think it would be unreasonable to show at least some minimal proof of an
interest in PSK31.  The single QSO would be enough to meet that with a
minimum of effort.

I'd be interested in hearing what more people think about this.

--
David, K9DWR
#1604 LONP #255
david@...




Re: Membership Requirements

Rick - N7WE
 

Steve-
Congratulations! for 19 years on PSK31!  That certainly makes you one of the pioneers of PSK31 and of course, a Senior Stateman of the 070 Club!  December 26th was my 13th anniversary of my first PSK31.  But I didn't discover 070 Club until December 2012.
--
Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602


Re: Membership Requirements

Stephen Melachrinos
 

David (and others) -

You are exactly correct. The requirement was to ensure that the prospective member was already a PSK operator with enough of a commitment to make the 50 QSOs. And remember that the 50 QSO requirement was established in 2000, not long after PSK31 was developed, and long before it became (for a while) the most popular digital mode.

I just looked at my log, and it took me 18 days back in November/December of 2000 to make my 50 QSOs and become 070 member #25.

Yes, some other clubs don't require any "proof" of activity to join--EPC is a prime example. But as Rick pointed out, the philosophy of the 070 club has always included mailing membership certificates and endorsements, and that cost is signficant. AFAIK, EPC doesn't have to mail anything--their awards are auto-generated for download (and printing if you want) by the applicant.

(Full disclosure note: I have to confess that although I never signed up for EPC, I did join the Flying Pigs QRP Sociey, another one of the "just apply online for a member number" clubs. But in my defense, it was because another 070 club member wanted to get FP credit for the sked I wanted for LONP credit. That was the only QSO in which I shared my FPQRP number.)

My personal opinion is that there still should be an operating requirement for membership, but maybe it doesn't need to be 50 QSOs now. I think some of Rick's suggestions have merit and could/should be discussed. 

Steve
W3HF
070 #25
(and who just celebrated the 19th anniversary of my first PSK31 QSO)


-----Original Message-----
From: David, K9DWR <david@...>
To: 070Club <070Club@groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Dec 29, 2019 5:18 pm
Subject: [070Club] Membership Requirements

* Don_KB9UMT via Groups.Io <dhobson123=aol.com@groups.io> [2019-12-29 10:00]:
>
> - Why is there requirements that a to become a 070 member you have to have 50
> PSK contacts and 1 confirmed?
>
> - Out of all the other digital mode clubs like EPC, DMC, 30MDG, FH, etc. only
> 070 requires QSOs prior to becoming a member to become an active 070
> member...wouldn't it be better to just let anyone join then get more active
> with 070 and PSK?
>
> -  Noticed that ALL 070 Contests are open to anyone now....so why not open
> 070 membership to anyone that just wants to join without having 50 PSK
> contacts and 1 confirmed?
>
> -  Keep in mind that 50 PSK contacts years ago could be completed in a day or
> even a few hours but with FT8 taking the front seat for most used digital
> mode why would you want to limit members that just want to join and now that
> contests are open to anyone wouldn't that make more sense?
>
> -  I have also noticed that most times I am on the 070 Website that over on
> the right side of the Home Page "Who's Online" most times there is between
> over 100 to over 200 guests online looking at 070 so why not open it up for
> membership to anyone with no hoops to jump....just request membership then
> hope for more members to increase 070 and PSK activity..?
>
> Again just wondering and it would be nice to see 070 membership numbers and
> PSK activity on the bands increase so I'm all for 070/PSK.


Don,

These are some great questions.  I would assume the requirement for
coming in with contacts was originally put in place to show a level of
commitment to PSK (probably to weed out "paper chasers" not interested
helping the club as a whole).  That's just a guess on my part, but it's
worth reviewing.  If there isn't a solid reason for it, it might be time
to change it.

The impetus behind opening the contests to everyone was for similar
reasons, so it's a reasonable thing to consider.  Maybe a
modification/combination of both would work instead?  For example,
instead of 50 + a confirmed QSO, maybe just the confirmed QSO.  I don't
think it would be unreasonable to show at least some minimal proof of an
interest in PSK31.  The single QSO would be enough to meet that with a
minimum of effort.

I'd be interested in hearing what more people think about this.

--
David, K9DWR
#1604 LONP #255
david@...




Re: Membership Requirements

K7DWI Art
 

In response to Brian, I would be happy to hear 50 in one month.
It is painfully quiet out here on the West Coast.
I think Don has a point. Be exclusive instead of inclusive, you aren't going to be relevant much longer in this FT8 crazed Ham world.
FT8 pretty much lead the PropNet group to its demise and it is doing other groups in limbo as well (the one I have served for is, SWOT).
I really appreciate what you guys have done ( despite ending the June VHF event).
I hope you can come to an agreement on this. I don't like FT8, (love CW) but will do it to satisfy my DX itch when it is all quiet on the other modes.
73 Art K7DWI CN82 #2518

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