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Re: Membership Requirements

Dan Morris - KZ3T
 

Here, here Ryan - I tried it also, did not like it , deleted it and just don’t care for it.  A good mode for those just wanting to make a quickie contact and done or for DX and that is okay but just wasn’t for me.

Dan Morris  KZ3T

I live to live for Him!



On Dec 31, 2019, at 2:37 PM, Ryan Trullinger <rt83021@...> wrote:

In response to Paula and others, your location might be an issue, I don't know I live in Nebraska, but to be honest the odds of making contacts with FT8
might have more to do with the sheer quantity of people using it, go to PSK reporter, look at FT8 and PSK31 on all bands separately, the numbers are staggering, with the FT8 users.
Bottom line is, the more players there are the better the odds of you getting contacts. With that said I have looked at FT8 and it simply doesn't interest me, I like chatting too much.


Re: Membership Requirements

Stephen Melachrinos
 

Don -

No apologies needed--I don't think anyone took offense to your questions and suggestions. The 070 club is in a transition period now, and although the focus of the new team is trying to keep the club going when a lot of our automation goes away, reasonable suggestions are welcome.

I think we all agree that polite discussions are always beneficial. Ultimately it's up to the leadership to decided, but leaders are people too. None of us can view a question from all perspectives, so hearing the comments from others helps inform the decision.

Regarding your questions:

- I'm not sure about why we have such a low DX membership rate. Perhaps part of it is that the web site is only in English. (At one time we had a German translation, but that's fallen by the wayside.) A second possibility is the appearance of the European PSK Club (EPC)--that everything-is-free approach (and their multiple translations on the web page) may appeal to more DX stations. I wonder what the DX fraction is of other US-based amateur radio clubs, like 10-10, QRP ARCI, or even QCWA. 

- Yes, it's a shame that the 17m and 30m PSK sub-bands seem to be overrun right now. I'm optimistic that when propagation picks up again, we'll see more PSK operation, and perhaps reclaim (or find a new place) on the WARC bands.

- I know that there have been suggestions on some sort of award or endorsement for member referrals. Keep the suggestions coming.

- Actually, I'm pretty pleased with the membership growth over the years. After all, going from 1227 to 2720 in less than ten years means we've averaged 150 new members a year. As we've been discussing, there is an intentional "hump" (of 50 QSOs) that applicants have to attain to join, and I'm sure that deters some. But overall I think we've done pretty well. 

Thanks for all you do to promote both PSK operation and ham radio in general (like HRHG). We're pleased you are a member of our club too.

73, 
Steve
W3HF

P.S. I've been pretty busy at work for the past year or so, and have spent little time on the air other than a few 070 contests. Hopefully that will change soon (in time to catch the upturn in sunspots!)


-----Original Message-----
From: Don_KB9UMT via Groups.Io <dhobson123@...>
To: 070Club <070Club@groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Dec 31, 2019 1:35 pm
Subject: Re: [070Club] Membership Requirements

Hi Steve and all,

Long time not seeing you on the band or having you in my log so I will be looking for you on the bands...hope all is well your way with you and the family.

My questions were honest ones only in the spirit of trying to promote/increase 070 and more PSK activity so if they came across in any other way please except my apology (I'm a big fan of PSK...so much so one of the few that promoted and used it not only on 6 meters but also 2m/70cm VHF/UHF using it there as well....as Art my also know, and BTW Art thanks for your many years of PropNet and 10m research, great stuff - PSK seemed to work pretty well didn't it?).

Anyway.... changes really are not up to the members although a good discussion but it is up to the 070 Leadership for sure and again thanks for all you folks do to promote PSK (running any size club is not easy).

Just a few more comments if you don't mind and things are always changing sometimes good or sometimes bad...but things will change (personally I hope not to see PSK mode go away, it is a great mode in my view):

-  070 membership for members that are DX (non-W) according to the numbers listed on the 070 site (Alpha List) is only about 13% of the members, I always wondered why is that....maybe it is the suggested $5 for mailed membership cerficate/items I'm not sure...but why not have an option to save both the DX member and Staff money/time with option of PDF emailed and let them print their own....just a thought/option..? 

-  17 meter PSK portion of the band lost due to I guess low or no activity now only FT8 signals to be had and I'm guessing 30 meter PSK portion also will be taken soon so not sure how to promote more PSK activity on bands other than 20 and 40 meters but maybe there is more activity than I see in other areas....it would be sad to continue to lose PSK portions of the bands and after June 2017 creation of FT8 and now 2020 where FT8/FT4 is taking over once we go from bottom to top of the cycle not sure where all the increased activity on these modes or new modes to come will want to try to take a portion of the bands if they don't see normal activity in a certain mode.

-  Is there may be a way to promote 070 by a members certificate of referrals for those promoting 070 to others or on their Website or on QRZ on for sure on the air in their brag file...? 
 
-  Not always but usually more members will equal more activity/participation just from a percentage perspective....let's say most clubs there is 10 to 20% active/participate rate so take 1,000 vs. 10,000 members more chances of more activity (not always but usually, and not seeing the same old calls)

-  My membership number is 1227 issued in August of 2010......and in 9 years membership today is I think 2720...to me the 070 club is active with I think almost a contest every month along with other events/certificates and even more activity here on this Forum so to me I can't understand why there are not many more members (which I am very pro-PSK so I guess I am bias and think everyone should like this mode and club...I like a good ragchew to get to know others, or experimenting with power or different antennas or bands, etc.)

I don't post much here unless to maybe try to gain some activity for PSK on 30 meters (or although not a contest Op try to give some points to others that are participating in 070 Contests if time allows) but I do enjoy reading the forum, posts and all the activity so again I thank the 070 Staff for all they do and the members here that enjoy PSK, it is a great mode in my book so no matter what I personally will continue to promote 070 and PSK mode....Happy New Year 2020 to everyone.

Thanks
Don KB9UMT 
070#1227
I promote PSK and 070 every chance I get.....so far for 30 meters not many takers for more activity there so my guess is FT4 will take over soon as I keep moving up higher on the 30 meter band usually at 10.142 to 10.143 CQing in PSK


Re: Membership Requirements

Ryan Trullinger (KC0QNB)
 

In response to Paula and others, your location might be an issue, I don't know I live in Nebraska, but to be honest the odds of making contacts with FT8
might have more to do with the sheer quantity of people using it, go to PSK reporter, look at FT8 and PSK31 on all bands separately, the numbers are staggering, with the FT8 users.
Bottom line is, the more players there are the better the odds of you getting contacts. With that said I have looked at FT8 and it simply doesn't interest me, I like chatting too much.


Re: Membership Requirements

Paula K7PAX #1739
 

Thanks Barry and Rick for understanding our position out here in the PNW during this low sunspot situation. I would like to weigh in on the discussion to give more perspective regarding lack of PSK31 activity and the proliferation of FT8. A little background for the newer members who don’t know me - I have been a ham since 2010 and PSK has always been my mode of choice - and I was very active in the 070 contests in the past. But life and circumstances change, and I had to move from a QTH with a hexbeam on a 35ft tower, to an HOA with antenna restrictions. With propagation as it is, and using compromise antennas, I can very rarely make any contacts on PSK, even during contests. That being said, FT8 is about the only way I can get any contacts at all these days. That may be true for lots of folks - it isn’t about automation, or even about gathering as many quick contacts as possible, but rather about operating at all with any success.

Just thought I would put in my 2 cents. But PSK is still my first love, and this club has been so much fun! I have made many good friends, and hope we can continue. It is really unique! I am just waiting for propagation to improve. We all need to wait it out - I am sure that you will see a resurgence once the sunspots cooperate!

Paula K7PAX #1739

On Dec 31, 2019, at 11:09 AM, Rick - N7WE <n7we1980@...> wrote:

Propagation is a lot tougher from the Pacific Northwest to the rest of the USA.  I grew up out there.  In fact, once you get west of the Cascades anywhere in Oregon, Washington, or British Columbia, it gets difficult.  Once you get west of the Coast Range, it gets really tough.  In Barry's case, living in North Vancouver, topography plays a very big role.  Vancouver is at sea level and the mountains come right down to the ocean.  Really fouls up the takeoff angle and makes getting a signal in or out a real challenge., even with good propagation.  Beautiful scenery though...when the rain lets up!
-
Rick - N7WE
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Re: Membership Requirements

Rick - N7WE
 

Propagation is a lot tougher from the Pacific Northwest to the rest of the USA.  I grew up out there.  In fact, once you get west of the Cascades anywhere in Oregon, Washington, or British Columbia, it gets difficult.  Once you get west of the Coast Range, it gets really tough.  In Barry's case, living in North Vancouver, topography plays a very big role.  Vancouver is at sea level and the mountains come right down to the ocean.  Really fouls up the takeoff angle and makes getting a signal in or out a real challenge., even with good propagation.  Beautiful scenery though...when the rain lets up!
-
Rick - N7WE
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Re: Membership Requirements

Brian (N2MLP)
 

Could be

But think a lot of it comes down to receive antennas

And planning

 

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         de N2MLP Brian

       Monroe County PA

 

 

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From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Stephen Melachrinos via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 12:54 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] Membership Requirements

 

Brian -

 

I don't think that's what he means--he really means QSOs.

 

We're blessed in the northeast with a larger amateur radio population per square mile. (IIRC, my own grid, FN20, was the most common grid of all when I analyzed the QSO database for the rare grids.)

 

Out west where Barry and others live, contacts are less frequent and less common, and the poor propagation now at the bottom of the sunspot cycle only makes it worse.

 

Steve

W3HF

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian (N2MLP) <n2mlp@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io <070Club@groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Dec 31, 2019 12:27 pm
Subject: Re: [070Club] Membership Requirements

I get about 10 a hours

Think your thinking members

 

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         de N2MLP Brian

       Monroe County PA

 

 

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From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of 1470 via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2019 7:45 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] Membership Requirements

 

On Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 02:30 PM, Brian (N2MLP) wrote:

I think if you want to be a member just work a contest week and you will have a easy 50 contact

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         de N2MLP Brian
       Monroe County PA

Brian
I disagree.
Most contests I am lucky to get 0-5 contacts
regards
VA7GEM


RESULTS – Doubleheader Triple Play Low Band Sprint - 2019

stan W9SMR
 


RESULTS – DOUBLEHEADER TRIPLE PLAY LOW BAND SPRINT – 2019

NOTE: We are deeply indebted to Dick, KC3EF, who manually scored this contest because the online Scoring is not currently working. Thank you Dick!!

This year there were 41 logs submitted - up from last year’s 37 logs. There were 12 High Power, 18 Medium Power, 10 Low Power and one QRP log. The average number of QSOs was 25.


Top Dawg
and 1st in High Power was Lee, N5SLY of Sherman, TX, with 78 QSOs and 3210 points. Another stellar showing from Lee who finishes near the top in most of our contests. He was also Top Dawg in the Triple Play last month.

High Power - Second Place was KF3AA of Huntingtown, MD. He finished in second place High Power in the Triple Play. Third place was non-member Bob, K8RGI, of Independence, OH. We hope to welcome him as a new member soon!

Medium Power - First place was Jeff, W3WMU, of Sturgis, MS with 3090 points and 61 QSOs. He finished in second place in the Triple Play last month.

Medium Power – Second Place was grabbed by John, KC3FL, of Inverness FL. I love the way John always has his PSKReporter spotting activated.  Third Place went to Rick, N7WE, of Leesburg, FL.

Low Power – First Place was Keith, N9VEL of Temple, GA with 51 QSOs and 1720 points. Keith also finished first last month in the Triple Play Low Power category.

Low Power - Second Place, was Jim, K5SP, of Gainesville, TX. . Third Place went to Roger, N8TCP, of Parma, OH.

QRP Power – First Place was Rich, AC8NM of Lisbon, OH with 5 QSOs and 5 points. Rich is new member #2707. Good to have you aboard, Rich!

The new “All Amateurs Welcome” policy continues to enhance our overall experience. In addition to Third place high power winner Bob, K8RGI, a Special Thank You is due to Bill, N3XL; Steve, AA8SW; *Art, NN9C; Joe, AC8SA and *Cliff, W0TY, who passed out a total of 103 QSOs to 070 members. We hope to see their applications to join us soon!  (* If you happen to have email addresses for these two folks, I would like to have it to send these results to them.)

Note that the Top Dawg Certificate and Rollo Dog Tag will be reserved exclusively for members.

Thanks to all who submitted logs. Stickers will be in the next mailing.  Complete results as manually calculated by Dick, KC3EF, will be uploaded to the Groups.io 070 Reflector websites.


The next PODXS 070 Event is the PSKFest, starting Friday evening, January 3 at 7:00 p.m. EST.

 

For Rules and detailsClick Here: PSKFest Rules

 

Hope to see you all on the waterfall soon!  Happy New Year!!

 

73,

Stan
W9SMR - 070  #1611
PODXS 070 - PR Director


Re: Membership Requirements

Don_KB9UMT
 

Hi Steve and all,

Long time not seeing you on the band or having you in my log so I will be looking for you on the bands...hope all is well your way with you and the family.

My questions were honest ones only in the spirit of trying to promote/increase 070 and more PSK activity so if they came across in any other way please except my apology (I'm a big fan of PSK...so much so one of the few that promoted and used it not only on 6 meters but also 2m/70cm VHF/UHF using it there as well....as Art my also know, and BTW Art thanks for your many years of PropNet and 10m research, great stuff - PSK seemed to work pretty well didn't it?).

Anyway.... changes really are not up to the members although a good discussion but it is up to the 070 Leadership for sure and again thanks for all you folks do to promote PSK (running any size club is not easy).

Just a few more comments if you don't mind and things are always changing sometimes good or sometimes bad...but things will change (personally I hope not to see PSK mode go away, it is a great mode in my view):

-  070 membership for members that are DX (non-W) according to the numbers listed on the 070 site (Alpha List) is only about 13% of the members, I always wondered why is that....maybe it is the suggested $5 for mailed membership cerficate/items I'm not sure...but why not have an option to save both the DX member and Staff money/time with option of PDF emailed and let them print their own....just a thought/option..? 

-  17 meter PSK portion of the band lost due to I guess low or no activity now only FT8 signals to be had and I'm guessing 30 meter PSK portion also will be taken soon so not sure how to promote more PSK activity on bands other than 20 and 40 meters but maybe there is more activity than I see in other areas....it would be sad to continue to lose PSK portions of the bands and after June 2017 creation of FT8 and now 2020 where FT8/FT4 is taking over once we go from bottom to top of the cycle not sure where all the increased activity on these modes or new modes to come will want to try to take a portion of the bands if they don't see normal activity in a certain mode.

-  Is there may be a way to promote 070 by a members certificate of referrals for those promoting 070 to others or on their Website or on QRZ on for sure on the air in their brag file...? 

 

-  Not always but usually more members will equal more activity/participation just from a percentage perspective....let's say most clubs there is 10 to 20% active/participate rate so take 1,000 vs. 10,000 members more chances of more activity (not always but usually, and not seeing the same old calls)

-  My membership number is 1227 issued in August of 2010......and in 9 years membership today is I think 2720...to me the 070 club is active with I think almost a contest every month along with other events/certificates and even more activity here on this Forum so to me I can't understand why there are not many more members (which I am very pro-PSK so I guess I am bias and think everyone should like this mode and club...I like a good ragchew to get to know others, or experimenting with power or different antennas or bands, etc.)

I don't post much here unless to maybe try to gain some activity for PSK on 30 meters (or although not a contest Op try to give some points to others that are participating in 070 Contests if time allows) but I do enjoy reading the forum, posts and all the activity so again I thank the 070 Staff for all they do and the members here that enjoy PSK, it is a great mode in my book so no matter what I personally will continue to promote 070 and PSK mode....Happy New Year 2020 to everyone.

Thanks
Don KB9UMT 
070#1227

I promote PSK and 070 every chance I get.....so far for 30 meters not many takers for more activity there so my guess is FT4 will take over soon as I keep moving up higher on the 30 meter band usually at 10.142 to 10.143 CQing in PSK


Re: Membership Requirements

Stephen Melachrinos
 

Brian -

I don't think that's what he means--he really means QSOs.

We're blessed in the northeast with a larger amateur radio population per square mile. (IIRC, my own grid, FN20, was the most common grid of all when I analyzed the QSO database for the rare grids.)

Out west where Barry and others live, contacts are less frequent and less common, and the poor propagation now at the bottom of the sunspot cycle only makes it worse.

Steve
W3HF


-----Original Message-----
From: Brian (N2MLP) <n2mlp@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io <070Club@groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Dec 31, 2019 12:27 pm
Subject: Re: [070Club] Membership Requirements

I get about 10 a hours
Think your thinking members
 
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         de N2MLP Brian
       Monroe County PA
 
 
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From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of 1470 via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2019 7:45 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] Membership Requirements
 
On Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 02:30 PM, Brian (N2MLP) wrote:
I think if you want to be a member just work a contest week and you will have a easy 50 contact

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         de N2MLP Brian
       Monroe County PA

Brian
I disagree.
Most contests I am lucky to get 0-5 contacts
regards
VA7GEM


Re: Membership Requirements

Brian (N2MLP)
 

Mmmm guess you can get 50 contacts

 

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         de N2MLP Brian

       Monroe County PA

 

 

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From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Ryan Trullinger
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2019 8:13 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] Membership Requirements

 

I am a new member as of today 12/30 #2719. I don't have a problem with requiring potential members to get 50 contacts. I started getting after it on 12/17/2019, a little over two weeks ago. I made it, if you want something bad enough you have to work for it.
My vote, for whatever it is worth, is keep things as they are. We are living in a "participation trophy" world, where people get awarded for doing, well, basically nothing, other than, just  showing up.
In order to combat the up kick in "other modes" PSK31 needs to be promoted, I do what I can, here. I was chatting with a former user of the other mode, and he came back to PSK31, just because he wanted to actually chat with someone.
That is all I have to offer for now.


Re: Membership Requirements

Brian (N2MLP)
 

I get about 10 a hours

Think your thinking members

 

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         de N2MLP Brian

       Monroe County PA

 

 

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From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of 1470 via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2019 7:45 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] Membership Requirements

 

On Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 02:30 PM, Brian (N2MLP) wrote:

I think if you want to be a member just work a contest week and you will have a easy 50 contact

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         de N2MLP Brian
       Monroe County PA

Brian
I disagree.
Most contests I am lucky to get 0-5 contacts
regards
VA7GEM


Welcome 2720

Jim K5SP
 

Please join me in welcoming new member(s):

2720  Tom  W7OXB

Jim K5SP
Membership Director
--
Jim,  K5SP #483
Member Services Director


Re: Membership Requirements

K7DWI Art
 

Hi All,
Rude me too. Happy New Years too from me.
Again. Barry stated what I am stating. Out here on the West Coast we are lucky to hear 5 stations. The Three Day Weekend event was painful. I heard a few and only worked one. Meanwhile, during the FT8 Round Up, I worked about 40 QSOs in a casual operation. I don't operate contest/QP/RU's to win, I hand out points. I rarely call CQ.
My concern is that making membership difficult in a instant gratification environment will make the club irrelevant.
SKCC has an interesting program of awards that seem to bring on activity (Centurions,  Tribunes, Senators). It's work but that might be worth considering incentives.
Again, I think you all do good work. You just need to open the doors a bit.
HNY 73 Art K7DWI 070#2518 & SKCC#6907T


Re: Membership Requirements

Ryan Trullinger (KC0QNB)
 

I am a new member as of today 12/30 #2719. I don't have a problem with requiring potential members to get 50 contacts. I started getting after it on 12/17/2019, a little over two weeks ago. I made it, if you want something bad enough you have to work for it.
My vote, for whatever it is worth, is keep things as they are. We are living in a "participation trophy" world, where people get awarded for doing, well, basically nothing, other than, just  showing up.
In order to combat the up kick in "other modes" PSK31 needs to be promoted, I do what I can, here. I was chatting with a former user of the other mode, and he came back to PSK31, just because he wanted to actually chat with someone.
That is all I have to offer for now.


Re: Membership Requirements

1470 <boat.anchor@...>
 

On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 04:44 PM, 1470 wrote:
On Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 02:30 PM, Brian (N2MLP) wrote:
I think if you want to be a member just work a contest week and you will have a easy 50 contact

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         de N2MLP Brian
       Monroe County PA


Brian
I disagree.
Most contests I am lucky to get 0-5 contacts
regards
VA7GEM
Rude Me
I forgot.
May all of you have a healthy new year.
cheers
Barry


Re: Membership Requirements

1470 <boat.anchor@...>
 

On Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 02:30 PM, Brian (N2MLP) wrote:
I think if you want to be a member just work a contest week and you will have a easy 50 contact

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         de N2MLP Brian
       Monroe County PA


Brian
I disagree.
Most contests I am lucky to get 0-5 contacts
regards
VA7GEM


Re: Membership Requirements

Stephen Melachrinos
 

Jim -

I'm really not positive--I wasn't around when the club actually started, and didn't become active in management until a few years later. But my suspicion is that the founding members (Jay, Jay, Jay and Tom) wanted to make sure that logs weren't completely faked. Back when we started, LoTW didn't exist yet--the only online QSL system (that I recall) was eQSL. I'm not positive, but I probably scanned either a QSL card or an eQSL and emailed that in. 

I think we made a significant improvement in implementing this when the membership checker "accepted" a QSO record from someone else who had uploaded a log. 

Going forward, I don't know. I'm a traditionalist--I don't generally like changes for the sake of change. I don't think that asking an applicant to show proof of one of the QSOs is a great hardship. With all the online QSL systems that now exist (eQSL, LoTW, QRZ, HRD, etc) and the endorsement checker option available, I'd be tempted to leave things as-is.

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim K5SP <jinnis@...>
To: 070Club <070Club@groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Dec 30, 2019 4:38 pm
Subject: Re: [070Club] Membership Requirements

Steve, one of the membership requirements that I have always wondered about is the need to either match a qso in the log submitted, or, submit a qsl card as proof.
Everything else in 070 is based up honesty and integrity of the members, in contests and for endorsements, there is no validation of the contacts.  So why was the proof required for membership when the organization founded?
Should we consider dropping the contact confirmation, and just accept a log showing they have whatever number of unique PSK-31 contacts we require?
Jim K5SP
On 12/30/2019 5:27 AM, Stephen Melachrinos via Groups.Io wrote:
Dan -

Yes, that's the way they deal with callsign "management." I suspect it's an artifact of their fully-automated system--they may not have the code written to implement and validate callsign changes, or the ability to process log files created under different callsigns during distinct callsign effectivity periods.

I don't know what happens if someone then is assigned a call that was previously registered (by the former holder) as an EPC member. Does the system recognize that someone new has the call? Or does the new holder "inherit" the QSOs of the first holder.

We're getting off-topic now, and should probably drop this discussion of EPC as irrelevant to the 070 club. I think the point has been made that EPC and 070 have different membership models, both driven by and driving their respective club implementations.

Steve
W3HF


-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Morris - KZ3T <dbmorris315@...>
To: 070Club <070Club@groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Dec 29, 2019 9:08 pm
Subject: Re: [070Club] Membership Requirements

Interesting comment about the EPC club. I also joined them but it wasn’t long before I just stopped even giving out my number.  This is interesting in how they do their numbers. Not sure how many people realize this and one so an see that their numbers are way up there but those member numbers are very deceiving.  EveryOne know how hams change their call signs on a whim.  Well, if you have an EPC number and you change your call sign, then you have to or are supposed to get a NEW NUMBER! That really is absurd. . . So the number follows the call and if the call goes away, so does the number.

Dan Morris KZ3T #070 1965



--
Jim,  K5SP #483
Member Services Director


Re: Membership Requirements

Jim K5SP
 

Steve, one of the membership requirements that I have always wondered about is the need to either match a qso in the log submitted, or, submit a qsl card as proof.

Everything else in 070 is based up honesty and integrity of the members, in contests and for endorsements, there is no validation of the contacts.  So why was the proof required for membership when the organization founded?

Should we consider dropping the contact confirmation, and just accept a log showing they have whatever number of unique PSK-31 contacts we require?

Jim K5SP

On 12/30/2019 5:27 AM, Stephen Melachrinos via Groups.Io wrote:
Dan -

Yes, that's the way they deal with callsign "management." I suspect it's an artifact of their fully-automated system--they may not have the code written to implement and validate callsign changes, or the ability to process log files created under different callsigns during distinct callsign effectivity periods.

I don't know what happens if someone then is assigned a call that was previously registered (by the former holder) as an EPC member. Does the system recognize that someone new has the call? Or does the new holder "inherit" the QSOs of the first holder.

We're getting off-topic now, and should probably drop this discussion of EPC as irrelevant to the 070 club. I think the point has been made that EPC and 070 have different membership models, both driven by and driving their respective club implementations.

Steve
W3HF


-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Morris - KZ3T <dbmorris315@...>
To: 070Club <070Club@groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Dec 29, 2019 9:08 pm
Subject: Re: [070Club] Membership Requirements

Interesting comment about the EPC club. I also joined them but it wasn’t long before I just stopped even giving out my number.  This is interesting in how they do their numbers. Not sure how many people realize this and one so an see that their numbers are way up there but those member numbers are very deceiving.  EveryOne know how hams change their call signs on a whim.  Well, if you have an EPC number and you change your call sign, then you have to or are supposed to get a NEW NUMBER! That really is absurd. . . So the number follows the call and if the call goes away, so does the number.

Dan Morris KZ3T #070 1965



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Jim,  K5SP #483
Member Services Director


Re: Membership Requirements

Jim K5SP
 

Jordi, currently the endorsement checker is being worked on.  When it is fixed/new software in place, you can resubmit your log for credit.

73

Jim K5SP
Membership Director

On 12/30/2019 1:10 PM, JORDI TARRIDA wrote:
Hi to all...

This year I participated on 25 on 25 but the checker does not work, I have sent an email to David KJ4IZW but I have not received an answer, what can I do to get the endorsement ?

Sorry for my broken english...

73 de Jordi.
EB3JT

Missatge de David, K9DWR <david@...> del dia dg., 29 de des. 2019 a les 23:18:
* Don_KB9UMT via Groups.Io <dhobson123=aol.com@groups.io> [2019-12-29 10:00]:
>
> - Why is there requirements that a to become a 070 member you have to have 50
> PSK contacts and 1 confirmed?
>
> - Out of all the other digital mode clubs like EPC, DMC, 30MDG, FH, etc. only
> 070 requires QSOs prior to becoming a member to become an active 070
> member...wouldn't it be better to just let anyone join then get more active
> with 070 and PSK?
>
> -  Noticed that ALL 070 Contests are open to anyone now....so why not open
> 070 membership to anyone that just wants to join without having 50 PSK
> contacts and 1 confirmed?
>
> -  Keep in mind that 50 PSK contacts years ago could be completed in a day or
> even a few hours but with FT8 taking the front seat for most used digital
> mode why would you want to limit members that just want to join and now that
> contests are open to anyone wouldn't that make more sense?
>
> -  I have also noticed that most times I am on the 070 Website that over on
> the right side of the Home Page "Who's Online" most times there is between
> over 100 to over 200 guests online looking at 070 so why not open it up for
> membership to anyone with no hoops to jump....just request membership then
> hope for more members to increase 070 and PSK activity..?
>
> Again just wondering and it would be nice to see 070 membership numbers and
> PSK activity on the bands increase so I'm all for 070/PSK.


Don,

These are some great questions.  I would assume the requirement for
coming in with contacts was originally put in place to show a level of
commitment to PSK (probably to weed out "paper chasers" not interested
helping the club as a whole).  That's just a guess on my part, but it's
worth reviewing.  If there isn't a solid reason for it, it might be time
to change it.

The impetus behind opening the contests to everyone was for similar
reasons, so it's a reasonable thing to consider.  Maybe a
modification/combination of both would work instead?  For example,
instead of 50 + a confirmed QSO, maybe just the confirmed QSO.  I don't
think it would be unreasonable to show at least some minimal proof of an
interest in PSK31.  The single QSO would be enough to meet that with a
minimum of effort.

I'd be interested in hearing what more people think about this.

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David, K9DWR
#1604 LONP #255
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