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Re: Frustration

1470 <boat.anchor@...>
 

On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 08:45 AM, K7DWI Art wrote:
Make that too, to or two.
I moved to Southern Oregon from central Arizona last summer and got a couple of antennas up in August.
The XYL and I found our dream home, but it is stuck up next to a hill 650 feet higher to my East.... and a larger mountain behind it.
Art
Welcome to the PNW and even better welcome to the exclusive group of side-hill gougers.
I have had 14yrs of only pointing the antenna between 90-270 degrees due to mountains in the backyard.
I am at 1000'asl so makes a nice view for when radio is quiet.
Yes you will have to focus on OC es AS contacts and they are plentiful on 40M in the am, B4 8am local.
Have fun
Barry
va7gem


Re: 070 Club Future

Lewis Karriker (Sonny) - K4ARE - #2347
 

Congratulations Jim - good decision for the club.  I wish you the best of luck for all that you have to do - just don't over-do and hurt your health or not have time to operate - Sonny, K4ARE

On 4/27/2020 11:14 AM, Jim K5SP wrote:

I am very humbled by the decision for my appointment to Executive Director of the 070Club.

I will do to the utmost of my ability to ensure the long term future of our club.  There are some daunting tasks ahead of us, and I ask patience from the membership while we sort out and prioritize the tasks to "fix" the website, and our ability to once again automate the membership process, contest scoring, endorsement checking, IOTA endorsements, and all the other great awards that are available to the membership.

Many have noted that our system is broken.  There are several factors that caused this, the main one being Google deprecating their Application Programming Interface (API) to our membership data that is maintained on Google Docs.  Over the years, there were many "hooks" interconnecting our website with the site hamclubs.info.  That site is not owned by the 070 club, and we do not have access to it.  The owner of that site has many scripts that run periodically, collecting data from our membership.  We do not have the source code for those scripts, so we cannot fix the API issue.  Also if that site should "fade into the sunset", we would lose all of our club automation entirely.

So, what are we faced with?  First, we must divorce ourselves from any utilization of hamclubs.info, and attempt to re-create all the manipulating/displaying of data onto our website.  This means that the all the processes for every membership application, every log submission for endorsement evaluation, every contest log processing, all awards processing must be recreated.  For the past few contests, we have had superb work performed by talented volunteers to ensure that the contests ran as smooth as possible, logs could be submitted, and results posted.  The membership and endorsement processes have been maintained (both processes are now "broken"), membership has been manually maintained. We want to get our website working once again.

Over the next few days, there will be teams put together, with specific tasks assigned. These teams will be published in a separate correspondence. Unfortunately the area in which the most help is needed, programming the automation of the site, is very short of talent.  Anyone with any experience in Python programming, raise your hands and join the team.  The website is using Joomla, if anyone knows anything about Joomla, raise your hand.

Again, I ask for your patience.  Remember that the people trying to work out the issues are volunteers, and most have full-time jobs that require their attention, and their tasks for the club are on a "as time permits" basis.

Thank you, and I promise every member that I will do everything possible to keep the finest PSK club, with the finest membership, totally intact.

73

Jim K5SP
Executive Director/Membership Director


--
Jim,  K5SP #483
Member Services Director


070 Club Future

Jim K5SP
 

I am very humbled by the decision for my appointment to Executive Director of the 070Club.

I will do to the utmost of my ability to ensure the long term future of our club.  There are some daunting tasks ahead of us, and I ask patience from the membership while we sort out and prioritize the tasks to "fix" the website, and our ability to once again automate the membership process, contest scoring, endorsement checking, IOTA endorsements, and all the other great awards that are available to the membership.

Many have noted that our system is broken.  There are several factors that caused this, the main one being Google deprecating their Application Programming Interface (API) to our membership data that is maintained on Google Docs.  Over the years, there were many "hooks" interconnecting our website with the site hamclubs.info.  That site is not owned by the 070 club, and we do not have access to it.  The owner of that site has many scripts that run periodically, collecting data from our membership.  We do not have the source code for those scripts, so we cannot fix the API issue.  Also if that site should "fade into the sunset", we would lose all of our club automation entirely.

So, what are we faced with?  First, we must divorce ourselves from any utilization of hamclubs.info, and attempt to re-create all the manipulating/displaying of data onto our website.  This means that the all the processes for every membership application, every log submission for endorsement evaluation, every contest log processing, all awards processing must be recreated.  For the past few contests, we have had superb work performed by talented volunteers to ensure that the contests ran as smooth as possible, logs could be submitted, and results posted.  The membership and endorsement processes have been maintained (both processes are now "broken"), membership has been manually maintained. We want to get our website working once again.

Over the next few days, there will be teams put together, with specific tasks assigned. These teams will be published in a separate correspondence. Unfortunately the area in which the most help is needed, programming the automation of the site, is very short of talent.  Anyone with any experience in Python programming, raise your hands and join the team.  The website is using Joomla, if anyone knows anything about Joomla, raise your hand.

Again, I ask for your patience.  Remember that the people trying to work out the issues are volunteers, and most have full-time jobs that require their attention, and their tasks for the club are on a "as time permits" basis.

Thank you, and I promise every member that I will do everything possible to keep the finest PSK club, with the finest membership, totally intact.

73

Jim K5SP
Executive Director/Membership Director


--
Jim,  K5SP #483
Member Services Director


Re: PODXS 070 Leadership Transition

Brian D. Karcher
 

Stan,

Thank you for the update on the club. I appreciate all the hard work you and the other are doing to keep the club moving forward.

73,
Brian
KG5GJT  


On Apr 26, 2020, at 3:30 PM, stan robinson <robinstan@...> wrote:



Subject: PODXS 070 Leadership Transition  
                  

As you all know our PODXS070 Club has been dealing with very serious website support and technical issues. Our situation is now even more serious with the resignation of Matt King, AK4MK, 070# 1708, Executive Director who led us through many trials in the past and gave us a great club with growing membership. We are also facing the departure of the Director – Technical Services, David Westbrook KJ4IZW/K2DW, 070# 1041. We owe a great debt of gratitude to David for the development of our Scoring backbone. With their departure, this missing leadership is now hindering our continuation as the Best PSK Club in the World.

A small team of dedicated members has been filling the gap and with great dedication, keeping us in business. Most apparent and notable has been the very critical and necessary technical efforts by David Rock, K9DWR, 070# 1604 in the role as Technician – Contest Scoring Support. In addition, Jim Innis, K5SP, 070 #483 has been coordinating critical membership duties as Director – Membership Services and manually approving critical new memberships. Several others have stepped up and kept us headed in the right direction. Most notable has been KC3EF, Dick Rohrer, 070# 747, who manually scored our Doubleheader Triple Play Contest.  Rick, N7WE, 070# 1602, and Steve, W3HF, 070# 25, have provided valuable insight and encouragement.

Currently there is a tremendous amount of effort needed to maintain the automation that we have all learned to appreciate.  We currently have a short list of individuals that have graciously volunteered to assist in any way their services can be utilized.  This has become a time when ordinary members will be needed to step forward and provide the much needed support for our survival.

Going forward, the office of Executive Director will be fulfilled by long time member and current Director – Membership Services, Jim Innis, K5SP, 070 #483. He will also continue as Director – Membership Services until such time as a replacement volunteers. It is his intention to organize the teams to return the operation of the club back to a high level, and, to keep this group informed of plans for recovery.

The role of Director – Technical Services will be assumed by David Rock, K9DWR, 070# 1604, in addition to his continuing as Technician – Contest Scoring Support until additional support can be found.

A special note of thanks goes out to all members who are showing great patience and understanding during this rebuilding phase. We have a long road ahead of us and your continued support and patience is very important.

Together we can ensure our objective of remaining the friendliest, most "professional" HAM club in the world and to continue to offer hams incentives to use PSK31.

Your offers of support to the reorganizing efforts of Jim and David are encouraged and appreciated. We request that if you are interested in the success of PODXS 070 that you send any suggestions and offers to assist to Jim at jinnis@....

73,
Stan
W9SMR - 070  #1611
PODXS 070 - PR Director


Re: PODXS 070 Leadership Transition

DAVE KB3RAN 1692/381
 

Thanks to all for keeping the club going.  I appreciate your dedication to our hobby.
--
Dave H
KB3RAN
1692/381


Re: Users Guide

Jerry N9AVY
 

Jim:

How soon do you need this ???


Jerry

On Sunday, April 26, 2020, 03:12:04 PM CDT, Jim K5SP <jinnis@...> wrote:


Jerry, there will be a major change in things announced shortly. There has been a discussion that there are several members such as you doing tasks for the club, and, no one knows how you do what you do.

Please write up and send to me exactly telling me what you do for endorsements. How do you know there are some waiting? What do you do to verify?  I need a detailed writeup up every step you take.  I am doing the same thing for Membership. 

This will enable us to rapidly replace a member if the need exists (SK, or other illness, or such as KE4JB having to toss in the mailing). 

Thanks,

Jim K5SP

On 4/26/2020 2:18 PM, Jerry N9AVY wrote:
Found the ever elusive K1DCT and promptly lost him once again.    Worked him before he got his 070# and just need to work him again for his 070#.Jerry  N9AVY

--
Jim,  K5SP #483
Member Services Director


PODXS 070 Leadership Transition

stan W9SMR
 

Subject: PODXS 070 Leadership Transition  
                  

As you all know our PODXS070 Club has been dealing with very serious website support and technical issues. Our situation is now even more serious with the resignation of Matt King, AK4MK, 070# 1708, Executive Director who led us through many trials in the past and gave us a great club with growing membership. We are also facing the departure of the Director – Technical Services, David Westbrook KJ4IZW/K2DW, 070# 1041. We owe a great debt of gratitude to David for the development of our Scoring backbone. With their departure, this missing leadership is now hindering our continuation as the Best PSK Club in the World.

A small team of dedicated members has been filling the gap and with great dedication, keeping us in business. Most apparent and notable has been the very critical and necessary technical efforts by David Rock, K9DWR, 070# 1604 in the role as Technician – Contest Scoring Support. In addition, Jim Innis, K5SP, 070 #483 has been coordinating critical membership duties as Director – Membership Services and manually approving critical new memberships. Several others have stepped up and kept us headed in the right direction. Most notable has been KC3EF, Dick Rohrer, 070# 747, who manually scored our Doubleheader Triple Play Contest.  Rick, N7WE, 070# 1602, and Steve, W3HF, 070# 25, have provided valuable insight and encouragement.

Currently there is a tremendous amount of effort needed to maintain the automation that we have all learned to appreciate.  We currently have a short list of individuals that have graciously volunteered to assist in any way their services can be utilized.  This has become a time when ordinary members will be needed to step forward and provide the much needed support for our survival.

Going forward, the office of Executive Director will be fulfilled by long time member and current Director – Membership Services, Jim Innis, K5SP, 070 #483. He will also continue as Director – Membership Services until such time as a replacement volunteers. It is his intention to organize the teams to return the operation of the club back to a high level, and, to keep this group informed of plans for recovery.

The role of Director – Technical Services will be assumed by David Rock, K9DWR, 070# 1604, in addition to his continuing as Technician – Contest Scoring Support until additional support can be found.

A special note of thanks goes out to all members who are showing great patience and understanding during this rebuilding phase. We have a long road ahead of us and your continued support and patience is very important.

Together we can ensure our objective of remaining the friendliest, most "professional" HAM club in the world and to continue to offer hams incentives to use PSK31.

Your offers of support to the reorganizing efforts of Jim and David are encouraged and appreciated. We request that if you are interested in the success of PODXS 070 that you send any suggestions and offers to assist to Jim at jinnis@....

73,
Stan
W9SMR - 070  #1611
PODXS 070 - PR Director


Users Guide

Jim K5SP
 

Jerry, there will be a major change in things announced shortly. There has been a discussion that there are several members such as you doing tasks for the club, and, no one knows how you do what you do.

Please write up and send to me exactly telling me what you do for endorsements. How do you know there are some waiting? What do you do to verify?  I need a detailed writeup up every step you take.  I am doing the same thing for Membership. 

This will enable us to rapidly replace a member if the need exists (SK, or other illness, or such as KE4JB having to toss in the mailing). 

Thanks,

Jim K5SP

On 4/26/2020 2:18 PM, Jerry N9AVY wrote:
Found the ever elusive K1DCT and promptly lost him once again.    Worked him before he got his 070# and just need to work him again for his 070#.

Jerry  N9AVY




--
Jim,  K5SP #483
Member Services Director


K1DCT

Jerry N9AVY
 

Found the ever elusive K1DCT and promptly lost him once again. Worked him before he got his 070# and just need to work him again for his 070#.

Jerry N9AVY


Re: 30-meters today

Brian (N2MLP)
 

 

Its FT4

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         de N2MLP Brian

       Monroe County PA

 

 

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From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian (N2MLP)
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 7:27 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] 30-meters today

 

All I see is unknown mode

 

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         de N2MLP Brian

       Monroe County PA

 

 

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From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Peter, NN9K #2629
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 3:50 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: [070Club] 30-meters today

 

Will be on 30-meters starting about 4:00PM CDT---Hope to work someone today!
--
Peter, NN9K


Re: 30-meters today

Brian (N2MLP)
 

All I see is unknown mode

 

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         de N2MLP Brian

       Monroe County PA

 

 

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From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Peter, NN9K #2629
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 3:50 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: [070Club] 30-meters today

 

Will be on 30-meters starting about 4:00PM CDT---Hope to work someone today!
--
Peter, NN9K


Re: Thread - a.k.a. frustration

Jerry N9AVY
 

People NEED to know the difference between "REPLY" and "REPLY ALL". Have been on mailing lists for years and have seen some disastrous results from some hitting wrong button. Case in point: A few years ago there was a thread which went out to everyone in the group. UNTIL one person hit wrong button thinking he was sending a disparaging comment about a certain member of group and it went the entire group instead of the one person iot was intended as a private comment. The fallout was huge and feelings were hurt with embarrassment as well. After that several people dropped from group and it never returned to what it once was.

There is a lesson in this.


Jerry n9avy

On Friday, April 24, 2020, 05:02:55 PM CDT, David, K9DWR <david@...> wrote:


The problem is many email programs are not good at handling mail lists.  This breeds people simply replying to an existing thread, rather than send a new one to the group.  Sometimes that doesn’t go well, or people just forget to change the Subject line.


David, K9DWR
#1604 LONP #255
david@...

> On Apr 23, 2020, at 16:06, Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...> wrote:
>
> I originally started this thread to comment on one station I chased for several day , but wasn't able to work.
>
> What happened here is that the thread was hijacked.  Have noticed over the years the many tend to comment on something else and are too inattentive to change the subject line.  Why is that  ????







Re: hijacking (was Frustration)

Jerry N9AVY
 

" thread hijacking happens a lot, too. This happens when someone replies to the thread, instead of creating a new one."

On Friday, April 24, 2020, 04:58:30 PM CDT, David, K9DWR <david@...> wrote:


Lauri,

If you are talking about the links at the bottom of the email, they should be the same result.  The difference is “View/Reply Online” opens the group’s web interface, and “Reply to Group” should open your email client.  Both should still result in an email to 070Club@groups.io that should be seen by everyone.

If you are reading via email, what you have to be careful of is to use your email client’s “reply all” to make sure it’s being sent to the group email and not an individual.

As Jerry mentions, thread hijacking happens a lot, too.  This happens when someone replies to the thread, instead of creating a new one.


David, K9DWR
#1604 LONP #255
david@...

> On Apr 23, 2020, at 14:44, Lauri Lundgren <n1ukxradio@...> wrote:
>
> When replying to a thread, should I be clicking "Reply on Line" or "Reply to Group".  Guess that could be the reason for the show about "Frustration" thread.  No one is seeing the bakground postings???






Re: 30-meters today

Peter, NN9K #2629
 

Thanks K4JIM, VA3TTB, K4VBM and KI4VMK for the Qs.
CUL
--
Peter, NN9K


Re: Thread - a.k.a. frustration

David, K9DWR
 

The problem is many email programs are not good at handling mail lists. This breeds people simply replying to an existing thread, rather than send a new one to the group. Sometimes that doesn’t go well, or people just forget to change the Subject line.


David, K9DWR
#1604 LONP #255
david@graniteweb.com

On Apr 23, 2020, at 16:06, Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

I originally started this thread to comment on one station I chased for several day , but wasn't able to work.

What happened here is that the thread was hijacked. Have noticed over the years the many tend to comment on something else and are too inattentive to change the subject line. Why is that ????


Re: hijacking (was Frustration)

David, K9DWR
 

Lauri,

If you are talking about the links at the bottom of the email, they should be the same result. The difference is “View/Reply Online” opens the group’s web interface, and “Reply to Group” should open your email client. Both should still result in an email to 070Club@groups.io that should be seen by everyone.

If you are reading via email, what you have to be careful of is to use your email client’s “reply all” to make sure it’s being sent to the group email and not an individual.

As Jerry mentions, thread hijacking happens a lot, too. This happens when someone replies to the thread, instead of creating a new one.


David, K9DWR
#1604 LONP #255
david@graniteweb.com

On Apr 23, 2020, at 14:44, Lauri Lundgren <n1ukxradio@gmail.com> wrote:

When replying to a thread, should I be clicking "Reply on Line" or "Reply to Group". Guess that could be the reason for the show about "Frustration" thread. No one is seeing the bakground postings???


Re: 30-meters today

Alan Sorum WL7CG
 

I am on 10.14 now and looking 1307Z.

Alan WL7CG

On 4/24/20 11:50 AM, Peter, NN9K #2629 wrote:
Will be on 30-meters starting about 4:00PM CDT---Hope to work someone today!
--
Peter, NN9K

--
The Grid and Prefix Awards Program - GAPA
http://gapaawards.com https://groups.io/g/GAPA 


30-meters today

Peter, NN9K #2629
 

Will be on 30-meters starting about 4:00PM CDT---Hope to work someone today!
--
Peter, NN9K


Thread - a.k.a. frustration

Jerry N9AVY
 

I originally started this thread to comment on one station I chased for several day , but wasn't able to work.

What happened here is that the thread was hijacked. Have noticed over the years the many tend to comment on something else and are too inattentive to change the subject line. Why is that ????

Jerry n9avy


Re: Why Is It...?

Jerry N9AVY
 

Tend to use macros, but I can edit them on the fly and often will do so. So many ops don't use macros and often I get RST , IMD, S/N, BUT never get a name nor QTH. Sometimes a bit more than is helpful.

On movies, if you're a credits reader, there is more information at the beginning as to all the companies involved in making the film which most of us could care less about. Some of the movies which bombed at box office should cut credits so viewers don't take reprisals ! Hi !

Jerry

On Thursday, April 23, 2020, 01:50:44 PM CDT, Eric <radio@...> wrote:


Hi Bill,

I just start off as if it was me that was calling CQ and the other op never knows.  I am not impatient with them.

 I think you are right about the macros, though, because it does seem to be ops that don’t venture out beyond macros that do this.

In contests it’s a little more confounding because search and pounce macros and running macros should be predetermined.

Another country heard from,

73 de Eric, KG6MZS

On Apr 23, 2020, at 11:36 AM, B. Smith via groups.io <bill.n3xl@...> wrote:

With the non-standard macros that are standard for PSK, I can easily see someone choosing the wrong one. I have done so and hope I didn't offend. I suggest a little more patience.
73, Bill N3XL


On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 14:17, Eric
<radio@...> wrote:
That this happens:

Him: CQ CQ CQ K1XYZ K1XYZ k

Me: K1XYZ de KG6MZS KG6MZS kn

Him: KG6MZS KG6MZS de K1XYZ K1XYZ K1XYZ kn


You would think we were past that point and they would just get into the QSO without responding like I was the one calling CQ.

I see this in contests too - which is only slightly less annoying that stations that answer a "CQ Test" with the exchange before you acknowledge them.

OK, off the soapbox now…

:)

73 de Eric KG6MZS


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