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Re: Serious question

Jerry N9AVY
 

Love it when a station gives me a 599 and keeps asking for fill....  Emoji

Jerry  n9avy

On Monday, December 28, 2020, 09:33:23 AM CST, John - KC3FL via groups.io <kc3fl@...> wrote:


One of my favorite subjects.  An RSQ is an arbitrary number that the op makes up.  Some give a meaningful RSQ but most give the 599.  S/N and IMD are real numbers that your software generates and tells all about the signal.  The IMD without the S/N is useless because if the S/N is 15 dB and the IMD is -15 dB, that is a great  signal, however if the S/N were 30 dB and the IMD was -15 dB, that is being over driven and probably is 2 or 3 hundred Hz wide.  The closer the IMD is to the negative value of the S/N, the cleaner the signal because all the harmonics are suppressed.  Unfortunately the software has a tough time getting the IMD right as you can tell as the IMD figure usually jumps around.


Re: 25 contacts on 20m

DAVE KB3RAN 1692/381
 

Thanks for the confirmation of log receipt.  I was able to make 32 contacts.  15 on 40 and 17 on 20.  15 US states in about 5.5 hours operating time.  

Sometimes it was like pulling teeth to get a confirmed qso but that's what makes these events fun.

Dave
KB3RAN
1692/381
APE Event Mgr.


-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Melachrinos via groups.io <melachri@...>
To: main@070Club.groups.io <main@070Club.groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Dec 28, 2020 7:07 am
Subject: Re: [070Club] 25 contacts on 20m

Pat -

I have your log and it is good.

So far I have received qualifying logs from the following:

AC1JR
AG4QX
EB3JT
K3ALB
K3YES
K4VBM
K5SP
KA5VZG
KB3RAN
KC3FL
KC4OBB
KD9DVB
KE4PWE
KK6KMU
KO4EJD
KR4U
N5SLY
N6MG
N6PCD
N7WE
N9AVY
NN9K
ON2AD
W0JSL
W3HF
WA3WZR

I also received emails logs from a few stations who did not make 25 QSOs but wanted to say that they participated.

Thank you for the efforts in making the logs readable and usable for manual processing. And keep them coming!

Steve
W3HF


-----Original Message-----
From: ON2AD Pat <ON2AD.Pat@...>
To: main@070Club.groups.io
Sent: Mon, Dec 28, 2020 5:18 am
Subject: Re: [070Club] 25 contacts on 20m

I started 25 Dec 2020 at 08:37 to 19:18 UTC.
Worked:
20M and 40M band
results (very poor for a day):
34 QSOs
17 DXCCs
04 Continents - AF - AS - EU -NA
07 WAZ
09 ITU
29 WPX

I worked only one USA station, the conditions on that day were weak and there was a lot of QSB on some signals.

I hope my log is received

I wish everyone a Happy New Year in good health

73 de Pat ON2AD (PODX070-703)


--
Dave H KB3RAN 1692/381


Re: Serious question

 

One of my favorite subjects.  An RSQ is an arbitrary number that the op makes up.  Some give a meaningful RSQ but most give the 599.  S/N and IMD are real numbers that your software generates and tells all about the signal.  The IMD without the S/N is useless because if the S/N is 15 dB and the IMD is -15 dB, that is a great  signal, however if the S/N were 30 dB and the IMD was -15 dB, that is being over driven and probably is 2 or 3 hundred Hz wide.  The closer the IMD is to the negative value of the S/N, the cleaner the signal because all the harmonics are suppressed.  Unfortunately the software has a tough time getting the IMD right as you can tell as the IMD figure usually jumps around.


Re: ACLog

Ken Campbell <n6pcd1@...>
 
Edited

Dan,

Thanks for the tip on Award Tracker. I’m going to download a copy. Sounds like just what the doctor ordered!
--
All the best,
Ken N6PCD/0
070 #801
LONP #187


Re: 25 contacts on 20m

Stephen Melachrinos
 

Pat -

I have your log and it is good.

So far I have received qualifying logs from the following:

AC1JR
AG4QX
EB3JT
K3ALB
K3YES
K4VBM
K5SP
KA5VZG
KB3RAN
KC3FL
KC4OBB
KD9DVB
KE4PWE
KK6KMU
KO4EJD
KR4U
N5SLY
N6MG
N6PCD
N7WE
N9AVY
NN9K
ON2AD
W0JSL
W3HF
WA3WZR

I also received emails logs from a few stations who did not make 25 QSOs but wanted to say that they participated.

Thank you for the efforts in making the logs readable and usable for manual processing. And keep them coming!

Steve
W3HF


-----Original Message-----
From: ON2AD Pat <ON2AD.Pat@...>
To: main@070Club.groups.io
Sent: Mon, Dec 28, 2020 5:18 am
Subject: Re: [070Club] 25 contacts on 20m

I started 25 Dec 2020 at 08:37 to 19:18 UTC.
Worked:
20M and 40M band
results (very poor for a day):
34 QSOs
17 DXCCs
04 Continents - AF - AS - EU -NA
07 WAZ
09 ITU
29 WPX

I worked only one USA station, the conditions on that day were weak and there was a lot of QSB on some signals.

I hope my log is received

I wish everyone a Happy New Year in good health

73 de Pat ON2AD (PODX070-703)


Re: 25 contacts on 20m

ON2AD Pat
 

I started 25 Dec 2020 at 08:37 to 19:18 UTC.
Worked:
20M and 40M band
results (very poor for a day):
34 QSOs
17 DXCCs
04 Continents - AF - AS - EU -NA
07 WAZ
09 ITU
29 WPX

I worked only one USA station, the conditions on that day were weak and there was a lot of QSB on some signals.

I hope my log is received

I wish everyone a Happy New Year in good health

73 de Pat ON2AD (PODX070-703)


Remote coax switch

Jerry N9AVY
 

Spent a good portion of day troubleshooting the Ameritron remote coax switch. Everything checked out okay from controller out to the remote switch.  Checked out relays and they were all fine once I figured there was a temporary short which caused 2 relays to operate at same time.  Was putting it back together when relay board fell off desk and slightly damaged relay #3; it's a bit wobbly, but I've always had a spare relay position... lucked out on that one !

So switch will go back in place on Monday and hope it all works okay.  At my tender age, I'm starting to be less fond of troubleshooting.  Emoji

BTW, the remote switch beats running out in cold, snow and rain to switch antennas.  

Jerry  n9avy



Re: Signal Reports

Jerry N9AVY
 

In the 10-10 organization it is required that you copy over-the-air the 10-10 number, name, state, band is 10m, but signal report is optional.  10-10 numbers can ONLY be exchanged on 10m, but I've seen many station on other bands give out 10-10 numbers (whether or not they are claimed is not my business). Some folks just don't have a clue about rules.

My own logging usually has every bit of info I can copy ... except for the other station's hat size !  An op actually gave that to me when I was running W1AW/9 on PSK a few years ago !

It's everyone's business what they put in their logs - personal preferences.
 Would recommend that logs be kept in UTC as a standard.  I often get QSLs with time a few hours off. Don't know why people get confused with date changing at 0000 UTC.  

Good points, Lee !

Jerry  n9avy

On Sunday, December 27, 2020, 09:24:41 PM CST, Leland Sly <lee.n5sly@...> wrote:


If you keep a log of your contacts there are 8 things that it should always include...
Your call sign
The other persons call sign
Date
Time
Band/Frequency
Mode
Signal Report Sent
Signal Report Received

Since you already know 5 of these things...
Your call sign
Date
Time
Band/Frequency
Mode

You only have to get 3 during the QSO...
The other persons call sign
Signal Report Sent
Signal Report Received

As near as I can tell LOTW, eQSL.cc, QRZ, Parks On The Air, FT8 Digital Mode Club...or any other group/organization cares about the Signal Reports when you send in your log...in fact many don't even want them.

Signal reports can not be verified and are mostly completely subjective. 

I believe they are simply left over from the early days of radio when folks really wanted to know how others were receiving their signals over the air.

These days if I can hear a station I can usually work a station and if I work them no matter how poor their signal it's still a good QSO and will get confirmed on LOTW, eQSL.cc, etc.

The other thing that doesn't matter is the exact Frequency you are using...everyone simply wants to know what Band you were using.

So much of this is a lot to do about nothing in my opinion.

The most important thing is to have fun doing what you enjoy in the hobby.

73

Lee N5SLY



Signal Reports

Leland Sly
 

If you keep a log of your contacts there are 8 things that it should always include...
Your call sign
The other persons call sign
Date
Time
Band/Frequency
Mode
Signal Report Sent
Signal Report Received

Since you already know 5 of these things...
Your call sign
Date
Time
Band/Frequency
Mode

You only have to get 3 during the QSO...
The other persons call sign
Signal Report Sent
Signal Report Received

As near as I can tell LOTW, eQSL.cc, QRZ, Parks On The Air, FT8 Digital Mode Club...or any other group/organization cares about the Signal Reports when you send in your log...in fact many don't even want them.

Signal reports can not be verified and are mostly completely subjective. 

I believe they are simply left over from the early days of radio when folks really wanted to know how others were receiving their signals over the air.

These days if I can hear a station I can usually work a station and if I work them no matter how poor their signal it's still a good QSO and will get confirmed on LOTW, eQSL.cc, etc.

The other thing that doesn't matter is the exact Frequency you are using...everyone simply wants to know what Band you were using.

So much of this is a lot to do about nothing in my opinion.

The most important thing is to have fun doing what you enjoy in the hobby.

73

Lee N5SLY



Re: Serious question

Jerry N9AVY
 

Eric:

Thanks for info.  Tend to ignore those numbers because there's no place in log for them , hi, hi !

Jerry

On Sunday, December 27, 2020, 07:44:10 PM CST, Eric KG6MZS <contact@...> wrote:


Jerry,

From what I have seen those reports are generated by programs like DM-780.  They fail to discriminate between empty rails and whatever else they may be receiving at any given time, so I think they are pretty meaningless.  For instance: right now I have DM-780 on 20m and when I put the cursor on the background with no signals, DM-780 reports -30db IMD and a 32db s/n.  Those would be good numbers on an actual signal, but utterly meaningless on background noise.


Another country heard from

73

Eric

KG6MZS

On 12/27/20 11:10 AM, Jerry N9AVY wrote:
I see stations giving out S/N  and IMD reports.  Tend to ignore them, but have always wondered if they really have any value or are just filler.   

If a station can make contact with me that's usually good enough for me.  If someone gets a 599 report from me, it's because the 599 is given to everyone and I seldom deviate from that. (No one gets offended that way, ha-ha !)

Jerry   n9avy


Re: Serious question

Eric KG6MZS
 

Jerry,

From what I have seen those reports are generated by programs like DM-780.  They fail to discriminate between empty rails and whatever else they may be receiving at any given time, so I think they are pretty meaningless.  For instance: right now I have DM-780 on 20m and when I put the cursor on the background with no signals, DM-780 reports -30db IMD and a 32db s/n.  Those would be good numbers on an actual signal, but utterly meaningless on background noise.


Another country heard from

73

Eric

KG6MZS

On 12/27/20 11:10 AM, Jerry N9AVY wrote:
I see stations giving out S/N  and IMD reports.  Tend to ignore them, but have always wondered if they really have any value or are just filler.   

If a station can make contact with me that's usually good enough for me.  If someone gets a 599 report from me, it's because the 599 is given to everyone and I seldom deviate from that. (No one gets offended that way, ha-ha !)

Jerry   n9avy


Re: ACLog

Dan Morris - KZ3T
 

There is a little know program called ‘Award Tracker’ by W5DJT, David. It handles a number of logs including ACLog and will do different lookups.  With said, with a trace of SQLite queries you are able to pull out anything you want from ACLog. So, If you only need certain data fields then Award Tracker would be a great little program to try out.  And of course it is free and if any problems on queries, David generally will help out and do the query for you.  I have used it many times in the past for a bunch of different 10-10 queries as well as several P070 queries.  So, it will pull anything you want based on the query you create.

Dan Morris  KZ3T  070-1065

I live to live for Him!




On Dec 27, 2020, at 7:31 PM, Josef 'Jeff' Sipek <jeffpc@...> wrote:

On Sun, Dec 27, 2020 at 22:22:44 +0000, Stephen Melachrinos via groups.io wrote:
Does anyone use ACLog? I'm trying to help someone figure out how to
extract their Christmas Run log.
Specifically, we need instructions on how to export a file that:
- only has QSOs from 12/25/2020- only has PSK31 QSOs- only has the Date,
Time, Callsign, Mode, Freq or Band fields- is either .txt, .prn, .csx,
.xls, etc
If you can help, please post the instructions here. Thanks.

Even if the software doesn't allow all the fancy filtering for csv or txt
export, it isn't too difficult to use the command line (namely 'grep' or
'awk') or something like Excel to throw away the rows and columns that don't
fit the requirements for the Christmas Run log.

This might be easier than fighting with some of the logging programs.

Jeff.







Christmas Run

Stephen Melachrinos
 

Thanks to everyone for your suggestions about ACLog. We have it figured out.

Now to everyone else who has not yet sent in your log, don't wait! Send it in soon!

Steve
W3HF


-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Melachrinos via groups.io <melachri@...>
To: main@070club.groups.io <main@070club.groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Dec 27, 2020 5:22 pm
Subject: [070Club] ACLog

Does anyone use ACLog? I'm trying to help someone figure out how to extract their Christmas Run log.

Specifically, we need instructions on how to export a file that:

- only has QSOs from 12/25/2020
- only has PSK31 QSOs
- only has the Date, Time, Callsign, Mode, Freq or Band fields
- is either .txt, .prn, .csx, .xls, etc

If you can help, please post the instructions here. Thanks.

73,
Steve
W3HF


Christmas Run

Stephen Melachrinos
 

Thanks to everyone for your suggestions about ACLog. We have it figured out.

Now to everyone else who has not yet sent in your log, don't wait! Send it in soon!

Steve
W3HF


-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Melachrinos via groups.io <melachri@...>
To: main@070club.groups.io <main@070club.groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Dec 27, 2020 5:22 pm
Subject: [070Club] ACLog

Does anyone use ACLog? I'm trying to help someone figure out how to extract their Christmas Run log.

Specifically, we need instructions on how to export a file that:

- only has QSOs from 12/25/2020
- only has PSK31 QSOs
- only has the Date, Time, Callsign, Mode, Freq or Band fields
- is either .txt, .prn, .csx, .xls, etc

If you can help, please post the instructions here. Thanks.

73,
Steve
W3HF


Re: ACLog

Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
 

On Sun, Dec 27, 2020 at 22:22:44 +0000, Stephen Melachrinos via groups.io wrote:
Does anyone use ACLog? I'm trying to help someone figure out how to
extract their Christmas Run log.
Specifically, we need instructions on how to export a file that:
- only has QSOs from 12/25/2020- only has PSK31 QSOs- only has the Date,
Time, Callsign, Mode, Freq or Band fields- is either .txt, .prn, .csx,
.xls, etc
If you can help, please post the instructions here. Thanks.
Even if the software doesn't allow all the fancy filtering for csv or txt
export, it isn't too difficult to use the command line (namely 'grep' or
'awk') or something like Excel to throw away the rows and columns that don't
fit the requirements for the Christmas Run log.

This might be easier than fighting with some of the logging programs.

Jeff.


First PSK31 QSO since March 2019

meikol <meikol@...>
 

Hi all -

Due to many factors I haven't done much PSKing the last couple of years.  Today I put up a new 20m dipole and while trying it out I saw 4 or 5 bright traces in the waterfall.  Called CQ once and Kent, K7YXZ, came right back to me.  We had a great 30+ minute QSO.  A very nice way to get back into PSK31.

--
73 - Mike N6STA  070 # 1516


Re: Signalink USB

Paul Butzi (W7PFB)
 

The SignaLink USB PTT control works exactly as you have described.  It’s essentially VOX based on the audio coming from the computer.

The nice thing about the SignaLink USB is that you can just buy a cable and internal jumper plug to match your radio, put the plug in the socket inside, connect the cable that runs to your radio, connect a USB cable, and you’re in business.

-p W7PFB
73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun!

On Dec 27, 2020, at 3:50 PM, Stephen Melachrinos via groups.io <melachri@...> wrote:

I don't need CAT. I had previously said that rig control wasn't a goal (at least not now).

From what I read in the manual on pages 6 and 7


it has an internal PTT that's VOX-like (in my words). It detects the audio coming from the computer and triggers the PTT line to the radio.

Steve
W3HF


-----Original Message-----
From: David, K9DWR <david@...>
To: main@070Club.groups.io
Sent: Sun, Dec 27, 2020 11:29 pm
Subject: Re: [070Club] Signalink USB


> On Dec 27, 2020, at 12:28, Stephen Melachrinos via groups.io <melachri=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:
> 
> Lauri -
> 
> Understood. The simplification comes from the fact that right now I have three cables from the computer to the interface: Tx audio, Rx audio, and PTT (which is a USB-to-RS232 adapter connected to the RS232 input on the adapter). Consolidating that mess into a single USB is one of the goals.

Actually, the SignaLink likely will not meet that goal. It will be one USB for the audio to the SignaLink, but CAT control is not something the SignaLink does.  You would still need a second cable for CAT control.

https://tigertronics.com/slusbfaq.htm#Can%20I%20use%20the%20SignaLink%20USB%20to%20control%20my%20radio,%20or%20will%20I%20need%20a%20separate%20CAT%20interface?



David, K9DWR
#1604 LONP #255
david@...







Re: Signalink USB

David, K9DWR
 

On Dec 27, 2020, at 17:50, Stephen Melachrinos via groups.io <melachri=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

I don't need CAT. I had previously said that rig control wasn't a goal (at least not now).

From what I read in the manual on pages 6 and 7

http://www.tigertronics.com/files/slusbman.pdf

it has an internal PTT that's VOX-like (in my words). It detects the audio coming from the computer and triggers the PTT line to the radio.
Yes, it will definitely PTT from the software for you. I just didn’t want you expecting CAT control as well.



David, K9DWR
#1604 LONP #255
david@graniteweb.com


Re: Signalink USB

Stephen Melachrinos
 

I don't need CAT. I had previously said that rig control wasn't a goal (at least not now).

From what I read in the manual on pages 6 and 7


it has an internal PTT that's VOX-like (in my words). It detects the audio coming from the computer and triggers the PTT line to the radio.

Steve
W3HF


-----Original Message-----
From: David, K9DWR <david@...>
To: main@070Club.groups.io
Sent: Sun, Dec 27, 2020 11:29 pm
Subject: Re: [070Club] Signalink USB


> On Dec 27, 2020, at 12:28, Stephen Melachrinos via groups.io <melachri=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:
>
> Lauri -
>
> Understood. The simplification comes from the fact that right now I have three cables from the computer to the interface: Tx audio, Rx audio, and PTT (which is a USB-to-RS232 adapter connected to the RS232 input on the adapter). Consolidating that mess into a single USB is one of the goals.

Actually, the SignaLink likely will not meet that goal. It will be one USB for the audio to the SignaLink, but CAT control is not something the SignaLink does.  You would still need a second cable for CAT control.

https://tigertronics.com/slusbfaq.htm#Can%20I%20use%20the%20SignaLink%20USB%20to%20control%20my%20radio,%20or%20will%20I%20need%20a%20separate%20CAT%20interface?



David, K9DWR
#1604 LONP #255
david@...






Re: Signalink USB

David, K9DWR
 

On Dec 27, 2020, at 12:28, Stephen Melachrinos via groups.io <melachri=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Lauri -

Understood. The simplification comes from the fact that right now I have three cables from the computer to the interface: Tx audio, Rx audio, and PTT (which is a USB-to-RS232 adapter connected to the RS232 input on the adapter). Consolidating that mess into a single USB is one of the goals.
Actually, the SignaLink likely will not meet that goal. It will be one USB for the audio to the SignaLink, but CAT control is not something the SignaLink does. You would still need a second cable for CAT control.

https://tigertronics.com/slusbfaq.htm#Can%20I%20use%20the%20SignaLink%20USB%20to%20control%20my%20radio,%20or%20will%20I%20need%20a%20separate%20CAT%20interface?



David, K9DWR
#1604 LONP #255
david@graniteweb.com

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