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Re: 070 TDW MAX Scores

Ernest Mills <emills@...>
 

Ugmm! You guys sound quite confident about using the WARC bands. I must admit it is a shock to me. I've been contesting fer quite a few years and there is NEVER any contest activity on the WARC bands indeed I thought it was a NO NO.  There is a change that we could start some real "nasty-grams" on this one. My suggestion is to contact Steve Ford, WB8IMY at the ARRL and ask !  His email is sford@...    73 Ernie

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To: 070@...
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 9:40 PM
Subject: Re: [070] 070 TDW MAX Scores

Well, the rules said even the WARC bands (NO 30m)
So that's why I added them in. and you believe we should not use the WARC
bands?

Is this true??
N6YIH/7 ??
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contesting on the WARC bands

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Re: contesting on the WARC bands

melachri@...
 

Missed this the first time through ...

QRM to the non-contester, but a 1 kHz pileup for N6YIH/7 is not?

??? A pileup for YIH???? We're not THAT desperate, are we?





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Re: contesting on the WARC bands

melachri@...
 

Let me put my two cents' worth in here ...

I think there's a big difference between a major contest (Field Day, Sweepstakes, etc) and
the TDW in terms of the amount of activity that will be generated. I doubt if the (at
most) 75 of us will generate much traffic at all, in comparison to the rest of the hams on
the bands.

Given that, I doubt if anyone would care very much if there are a few folks calling "CQ
070" on any band, 30m included. As long as there aren't ten signals in a row, all sounding
the same (like in the Rumble a few weeks ago), it probably won't even be obvious that
we're running a contest.

There's actually very little difference between calling "CQ 070" and "CQ RSARS", for
example. (I remember a few months ago wishing that one Scotland station would call a
general CQ, instead of being so restrictive.)

Finally, there's nothing to stop any of us (short of equipment limitations--hi) from
calling a general CQ on any band at all. If you get an 070er in response, great--that QSO
counts. If it's not one of "us," then a short QSO with someone else won't take much time.
(I know that at least two of my QSOs during the Rumble were with non-contesting DX
stations. I held a short, pleasant QSO, and then put them in the log. The info they
transmitted included more than enough for the required exchange, and I DIDN'T say "that's
enough--I just need your name for the contest." I didn't work anyone, though, who
specifically said "no contesters.")

Just my thoughts ....

Steve
W3HF



Subj: RE: contesting on the WARC bands
Date: 5/9/2001 6:15:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time
From: sford@arrl.org (Ford, Steve, WB8IMY)
To: N3DQU@aol.com ('N3DQU@aol.com ')

Jay:

There is a general agreement in the contest community (and all ARRL contests
adhere to the agreement)that the WARC bands should be off-limits to
contesting. This prohibition has been respected ever since the WARC bands
were opened for amateur use. The idea is to set aside spectrum for
non-contesters that would be free of interference even during the most
popular contests.

73 . . . Steve Ford, WB8IMY
QST Editor

Above is the official word from Newington re contesting on the WARC bands.
There is a thread on this topic at contesting.com that you may want to read
up on btw,
as there is/was some discussion going on as to whether the WARC bands should
be
reserved as sacred ground for the non-contester. From what I read there, the
ARRL
actually allowed Field Day contacts on the WARC bands at one time, but has
since
changed the rules.
Here are some thoughts on the subject from this end. Personally, I think
the WARC
bands are sorely underused and at a time when the commercial interests are
doing a
smash and grab for every bit of spectrum they can get their hands on,
Newington should
be promoting activity on underused bands, not chasing activity away. If some
big
communications conglomerate had their eye on 17m for some planned system for
example,
don't you think the ARRL would suddenly be forced to change their position on
this subject
and yell "QST everybody QSY to 17m contesters included" to show them how
important this
band is to the hamming community? You bet your Aunt Martha's socks they would!
Secondly, I would like to point out that altho contesting is not done on
the WARC
bands, the DXCC does encourage dx-peditions to go there by giving country
credit for
stations worked on those bands. So why is a 10 kHz pileup for Spratly Island
acceptable
QRM to the non-contester, but a 1 kHz pileup for N6YIH/7 is not?
And finally, I would like to note that altho some members of PODXS are
also members
of the ARRL (myself included), the Penn-Ohio DX Society is not affiliated
with the ARRL, never
has been and never will. Nothing against the ARRL mind you (well....), but
when we organized
PODXS we set it up purposely as an independent ham club, so that we could
steer our own
course, not to be subject to the whims and caprices of others.
So is contesting on the WARC bands illegal? No!
Is it against the current practice of the ham radio community? Yes!
Would we get into trouble if we held the TDW on the WARC bands? No!
Your thoughts on this topic greatly apprecated. If it appears that there is
much anxiety against
holding the TDW on the WARC bands, then we can change the rules. A member
survey might
be in order. Consider this however....
THE TDW COULD BE THE BOSTON TEA PARTY OF HAM RADIO! Jay, N3DQU.

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contesting on the WARC bands

N3DQU@...
 

Subj: RE: contesting on the WARC bands
Date: 5/9/2001 6:15:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time
From: sford@arrl.org (Ford, Steve, WB8IMY)
To: N3DQU@aol.com ('N3DQU@aol.com ')

Jay:

There is a general agreement in the contest community (and all ARRL contests
adhere to the agreement)that the WARC bands should be off-limits to
contesting. This prohibition has been respected ever since the WARC bands
were opened for amateur use. The idea is to set aside spectrum for
non-contesters that would be free of interference even during the most
popular contests.

73 . . . Steve Ford, WB8IMY
QST Editor

Above is the official word from Newington re contesting on the WARC bands.
There is a thread on this topic at contesting.com that you may want to read
up on btw,
as there is/was some discussion going on as to whether the WARC bands should
be
reserved as sacred ground for the non-contester. From what I read there, the
ARRL
actually allowed Field Day contacts on the WARC bands at one time, but has
since
changed the rules.
Here are some thoughts on the subject from this end. Personally, I think
the WARC
bands are sorely underused and at a time when the commercial interests are
doing a
smash and grab for every bit of spectrum they can get their hands on,
Newington should
be promoting activity on underused bands, not chasing activity away. If some
big
communications conglomerate had their eye on 17m for some planned system for
example,
don't you think the ARRL would suddenly be forced to change their position on
this subject
and yell "QST everybody QSY to 17m contesters included" to show them how
important this
band is to the hamming community? You bet your Aunt Martha's socks they would!
Secondly, I would like to point out that altho contesting is not done on
the WARC
bands, the DXCC does encourage dx-peditions to go there by giving country
credit for
stations worked on those bands. So why is a 10 kHz pileup for Spratly Island
acceptable
QRM to the non-contester, but a 1 kHz pileup for N6YIH/7 is not?
And finally, I would like to note that altho some members of PODXS are
also members
of the ARRL (myself included), the Penn-Ohio DX Society is not affiliated
with the ARRL, never
has been and never will. Nothing against the ARRL mind you (well....), but
when we organized
PODXS we set it up purposely as an independent ham club, so that we could
steer our own
course, not to be subject to the whims and caprices of others.
So is contesting on the WARC bands illegal? No!
Is it against the current practice of the ham radio community? Yes!
Would we get into trouble if we held the TDW on the WARC bands? No!
Your thoughts on this topic greatly apprecated. If it appears that there is
much anxiety against
holding the TDW on the WARC bands, then we can change the rules. A member
survey might
be in order. Consider this however....
THE TDW COULD BE THE BOSTON TEA PARTY OF HAM RADIO! Jay, N3DQU.


WARC BANDS

spdomingue@...
 

OK I can understand the ARRL point of no contesting for Field day and any big
event but I don't see a problem with us on there for the TDW event.

I will go with the powers that be say, is fine with me.
Without the WARC bands it will be a little easier to find everyone.

I should have the new antenna up by then so that should help me here anyway,
maybe I can even print a DL station or two that would be special here have
not seen any DL stations here since the DX-DL award came out.

N6YIH/7
Boise Home of the BIG pile ups! HI HI


Re: WARC BANDS

N3DQU@...
 

In a message dated 5/9/2001 10:37:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
spdomingue@aol.com writes:

Without the WARC bands it will be a little easier to find everyone.
Hey, don't be such a pushover STeve...I don't have a problem runnin' the
TDW on 17 es 12m....'dqu.


Re: WARC BANDS

John AG4CZ <ag4cz@...>
 

I too can understand the ARRL's point of view. This is only a point
of view as far as we go, we are not bound to their decision or
the 'gentleman's agreement'. However, the 'gentleman's agreement' has
one big point going for it. It rules out the whole discussion of how
much contesting is too much on these bands. By following it there is
no decision to be made nor line to creep forward.
More appropriate to answer may be, do we want to be the one's who
broke the 'agreement'?
In the end it doesn't really matter as long as 'we' have more fun
than headache doing it.
73
John AG4CZ
OK I can understand the ARRL point of no contesting for Field day
and any big
event but I don't see a problem with us on there for the TDW event.


Re: WARC BANDS

Richard B Drake
 

Well this opens up a whole discussion of how big is big and how small is small, and how many contesters does it take to annoy those who consider contests to be nothing more than a disruption to their normal activities. One of the great things about ham radio is that it's a hobby of many facets. When we get tired of one we can enjoy another. I enjoy contesting and often take part but I also have a regular weekly schedule with some of my oldest and dearest friends on 15 meters every Saturday morning. On contest weekends we QSY to 17 meters where propagation is not quite as good for us but at least we can hold a clear frequency for an hour or so. Don't even think about stepping on that. There is enough space for contesting without infringing on the WARC bands. We can and should honor the original gentlemen's agreement and keep all contests off the WARC bands without exception.
 
----
73, Rich - W3ZJ
 

 -----Original Message-----
From: spdomingue@... [mailto:spdomingue@...]
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 7:48 PM
To: 070@...
Subject: [070] WARC BANDS

OK I can understand the ARRL point of no contesting for Field day and any big
event but I don't see a problem with us on there for the TDW event.

I will go with the powers that be say, is fine with me.
Without the WARC bands it will be a little easier to find everyone.

I should have the new antenna up by then so that should help me here anyway,
maybe I can even print a DL station or two that would be special here have
not seen any DL stations here since the DX-DL award came out.

N6YIH/7
Boise Home of the BIG pile ups! HI HI

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WARC-Bands

DL2AYL@...
 

Hi,

don't you think our 3-day weekend is more some kind of family event than a
contest? We don't have to call it contest since it isn't open to all.
Hope to see you on 12 and 17 meters!
73's Erika/DL2AYL


Re: WARC BANDS

n1zzz@...
 

Instead of a "contest,"  we could run a "propagation experiment to see how
PSK31 fairs on various bands to certain stations around the world."  "Points"
could be awarded to determine how each station/area worked other
"experimental" stations. *wink wink*

Jeremy "The Sleeper"  Allen N1ZZZ/4


Re: WARC BANDS

Jay Budzowski <n3dqu@...>
 

--- n1zzz@aol.com wrote:
Instead of a "contest," we could run a "propagation
experiment to see how
PSK31 fairs on various bands to certain stations
around the world." "Points"
could be awarded to determine how each station/area
worked other
"experimental" stations. *wink wink*

Jeremy "The Sleeper" Allen N1ZZZ/4
Hey Jeremy, I like that idea...after all, psk is a
fairly new mode, needs lotsa testin' to be sure! Jay.

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TDW Update and other stuff

N3DQU@...
 

Looks like Frank VK3BFC, who was to be a designated bonus station for the
TDW will not be able to participate due to other plans at home. If there is a
DX station out there who would like to take over Frank's slot as a bonus
station, please send an email to N3DQU@aol.com with your request.
Also, from the comments received about holding the TDW on 17 and 12m, it
appears that the ayes far outnumber the nays. So as it stands now, we will
still run the TDW on the WARC bands as originally planned, 30m excluded of
course.
If the Yahoo reflector seems unusually quiet, it is because messages are
still not getting thru in a timely manner, especially for aol addressees. I
am still waiting for word from Yahoo about the problem. Sorry for the
inconvenience. Jay, N3DQU.


Re: TDW Update and other stuff

ny2u@...
 

In a message dated 05/12/2001 14:40:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
N3DQU@... writes:


Also, from the comments received about holding the TDW on 17 and 12m, it
appears that the ayes far outnumber the nays. So as it stands now, we will
still run the TDW on the WARC bands as originally planned, 30m excluded of
course.
  


Helly Jay & 070 Club Members:

I've sat back now for a few days trying to digest all the input you've
received here on the PODXS 070 Reflector and I must say I'm really surprised!
However, NOT pleasantly surprised!! I'll try to explain myself.

It seems that a number of those that have replied to the question about using
the WARC Bands for your upcoming contests are in favor of this practice. To
me this is totally mind blowing! I mean, why would any of our digital users
want to break a "gentleman's agreement" that's been in existence since US
Amateurs were permitted use of the WARC Bands? Does this mean I'm in total
agreement with this gentlemen's agreement....NO!  Does this mean that I don't
think the digital users could use additional band allocations...NO! So, what
does this really mean? I think by contesting on the WARC BANDS in any way,
shape or form, clearly sends a message of disrespect. Like them or not,
gentlemen's agreements have been part of Amateur Radio for more years then I
care to think about.

Take a look at a lot of our DX windows for example, I know a good share of
you like to chase DX. What if I began to tell folks on here to "just go ahead
and start a ragchew net in the middle of the 20 Meter DX window," would any
of you find this wrong? Or, how about holding a SSTV Net on 3.800 KHz?
Nothing the matter with this, right? After all--a good number of you have
already expressed that they don't give a hoot about some lousy old
"gentlemen's agreements!" Maybe we should encourage more of our HF Packet
users to fire up their "rap-blapppp boxes" right on 14.070 MHz, after all
they shouldn't worry about any gentlemen's agreement crapola.

Well, my friends, I hope you'll do a little rethinking before you take
actions that could reflect negatively on all of us PSK'ers. One of your very
own members Rich, W3ZJ, said it right--"
There is enough space for contesting
without infringing on the WARC bands. We can and should honor the original
gentlemen's agreement and keep all contests off the WARC bands without
exception."  Another reply to the WARC Band conversation came from John,
AG4CZ, who said the following, "However, the 'gentleman's agreement' has one
big point going for it. It rules out the whole discussion of how much
contesting is too much on these bands. By following it there is no decision
to be made nor line to creep forward. More appropriate to answer may be, do
we want to be the one's who broke the 'agreement'?

In closing... I hope that NOBODY gets their nose out of shape over what I've
just said. Yes, its how I truly feel and I thought that I would share it with
you folks. If you're head strong on change, do it the right way! I think the
PODXS 070 Club has a lot to offer this hobby. I also believe you've gained a
lot of attention in the short period of time you've been
in existence. The actions you're about to take could have lasting
repercussions!

Thank you for you time and I hope to print you soon.

73 de NY2U Bill Eddy
ny2u@...


  


Re: TDW Update and other stuff

n1zzz@...
 

I for one, all joking aside, will only be on 10, 15, and 20 mtrs for the TDW.
 I hope to see you all there.

73's

Jeremy N1ZZZ/4


Re: TDW Update and other stuff

K5SIT BOB <k5sit@...>
 

Hi all,

I talked to a local ham about this.
He said it was an international agreement not just the ARRL.
I for one will NOT be on 12m or17m for the contest.
I think we will be looking for trouble if we do.
I am not a big gun. I am running 20w to ground mounted vertical.
I hope to see all of u on 20m, 15m and 10m or early on 80m and 40m 06:00
CDT.
I still need two hotdogs. KA3X and N3XC.
Where are u guys?????

Have a gud weekend cul.

de k5sit 73

----- Original Message -----
From: <ny2u@n2ty.org>
To: <070@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 16:01 PM
Subject: Re: [070] TDW Update and other stuff


In a message dated 05/12/2001 14:40:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
N3DQU@aol.com writes:


Also, from the comments received about holding the TDW on 17 and 12m, it
appears that the ayes far outnumber the nays. So as it stands now, we
will
still run the TDW on the WARC bands as originally planned, 30m excluded
of
course.
Helly Jay & 070 Club Members:

I've sat back now for a few days trying to digest all the input you've
received here on the PODXS 070 Reflector and I must say I'm really
surprised!
However, NOT pleasantly surprised!! I'll try to explain myself.

It seems that a number of those that have replied to the question about
using
the WARC Bands for your upcoming contests are in favor of this practice.
To
me this is totally mind blowing! I mean, why would any of our digital
users
want to break a "gentleman's agreement" that's been in existence since US
Amateurs were permitted use of the WARC Bands? Does this mean I'm in total
agreement with this gentlemen's agreement....NO! Does this mean that I
don't
think the digital users could use additional band allocations...NO! So,
what
does this really mean? I think by contesting on the WARC BANDS in any way,
shape or form, clearly sends a message of disrespect. Like them or not,
gentlemen's agreements have been part of Amateur Radio for more years then
I
care to think about.

Take a look at a lot of our DX windows for example, I know a good share of
you like to chase DX. What if I began to tell folks on here to "just go
ahead
and start a ragchew net in the middle of the 20 Meter DX window," would
any
of you find this wrong? Or, how about holding a SSTV Net on 3.800 KHz?
Nothing the matter with this, right? After all--a good number of you have
already expressed that they don't give a hoot about some lousy old
"gentlemen's agreements!" Maybe we should encourage more of our HF Packet
users to fire up their "rap-blapppp boxes" right on 14.070 MHz, after all
they shouldn't worry about any gentlemen's agreement crapola.

Well, my friends, I hope you'll do a little rethinking before you take
actions that could reflect negatively on all of us PSK'ers. One of your
very
own members Rich, W3ZJ, said it right--"There is enough space for
contesting
without infringing on the WARC bands. We can and should honor the original
gentlemen's agreement and keep all contests off the WARC bands without
exception." Another reply to the WARC Band conversation came from John,
AG4CZ, who said the following, "However, the 'gentleman's agreement' has
one
big point going for it. It rules out the whole discussion of how much
contesting is too much on these bands. By following it there is no
decision
to be made nor line to creep forward. More appropriate to answer may be,
do
we want to be the one's who broke the 'agreement'?

In closing... I hope that NOBODY gets their nose out of shape over what
I've
just said. Yes, its how I truly feel and I thought that I would share it
with
you folks. If you're head strong on change, do it the right way! I think
the
PODXS 070 Club has a lot to offer this hobby. I also believe you've gained
a
lot of attention in the short period of time you've been
in existence. The actions you're about to take could have lasting
repercussions!

Thank you for you time and I hope to print you soon.

73 de NY2U Bill Eddy
ny2u@n2ty.org



Re: TDW Update and other stuff

Bill Duffy <bjduffy2@...>
 

Sorry to hear of the plans to contest on 12 & 17. I wish you would rethink
this decision. I feel an ugly box would be opened up.
Bill
KA0VXK

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From: <N3DQU@aol.com>
To: <070@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 13:40 PM
Subject: [070] TDW Update and other stuff


Looks like Frank VK3BFC, who was to be a designated bonus station for
the
TDW will not be able to participate due to other plans at home. If there
is a
DX station out there who would like to take over Frank's slot as a bonus
station, please send an email to N3DQU@aol.com with your request.
Also, from the comments received about holding the TDW on 17 and 12m,
it
appears that the ayes far outnumber the nays. So as it stands now, we will
still run the TDW on the WARC bands as originally planned, 30m excluded of
course.
If the Yahoo reflector seems unusually quiet, it is because messages
are
still not getting thru in a timely manner, especially for aol addressees.
I
am still waiting for word from Yahoo about the problem. Sorry for the
inconvenience. Jay, N3DQU.

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TDW

tgstoopssr@...
 

Hi Bob...I'm right here.....hope to see you and alot of other 070's on the
TDW soon...I will be on 10 - 15 - 20 - 40 - 80 mtrs ONLY......cu then...de
n3xc


070 Club survey: TDW on the WARC bands

N3DQU@...
 

Ok guys, looks like I am suddenly hearing nays for running the TDW on the
WARC bands, so let's have an official survey to see where the group stands:

QUESTION: Should the 070 Club include the WARC bands for the upcoming
Three Day Weekend?

Lemme know what you guys want to do...The 070 Club wouldn't be the 070
Club without yunz!....Jay, N3DQU.


Re: TDW Update and other stuff

Bob <k3cko@...>
 

I agree with you Bob. I will not be on the WARC bands either. I can have
enough fun with the standard bands.

Bob K3CKO

----- Original Message -----
From: "K5SIT BOB" <k5sit@pldi.net>
To: <070@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 6:11 PM
Subject: Re: [070] TDW Update and other stuff


Hi all,

I talked to a local ham about this.
He said it was an international agreement not just the ARRL.
I for one will NOT be on 12m or17m for the contest.
I think we will be looking for trouble if we do.
I am not a big gun. I am running 20w to ground mounted vertical.
I hope to see all of u on 20m, 15m and 10m or early on 80m and 40m 06:00
CDT.
I still need two hotdogs. KA3X and N3XC.
Where are u guys?????

Have a gud weekend cul.

de k5sit 73

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