|
Re: Hustler 6BTV
I've heard tell that anything lower than 2.1:1 is okay. That was from all the old timers in the 70's. Jerry n9avy From: Rick - N7WE <n7we1980@...> To: 070Club@groups.io Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 2:50 PM Subject: Re: [070Club] Hustler 6BTV That's what I did. Started on 10,
then 15, readjust 10 and 15 until have both. This did require
moving the traps from the factory positioning on the tubes, not
just changing the overall spacing. Then adjusted 20 and readjusted
10, 15, and 20 until I had all three....and so on thru 80. Then
went back and did 12 (adjusts with HotRodz) with only minimal
change on 10 (no adjustment needed) and the same with 17. It
took a while, lots of ups and downs, but wasn't too bad as I had
installed the DXEngineering tilt-base when I put it up. When we
were traveling summers, I took the antenna down and stored it in
three pieces. Reinstalling in the fall only required minor
tweaking. What I have noticed is that with the change in temps
here in Florida from winter to summer, there is sufficient expansion
of the aluminum tubing to change the tuning. Now that we are
home summers, I re-tune when it heats up and then again when it
cools off! Probably a waste, but I like to have things as close
as I can. And it gives me something to do!
Rick - N7WE
On 1/30/2018 15:21, Jerry N9AVY wrote:
-- Rick - N7WE 070 - #1602 |
||
|
|
||
|
Re: Hustler 6BTV
Mike Besemer <mwbesemer@...>
Nice! I guess I’m qualified… I’m always in the hole some way or another!
Well, I just broke ground. Had to find the exact site that was not visible from mama’s chair in the sunroom. I think I found the right spot – and if not I’ll have to ask for forgiveness (again). I might have to remove a tree branch at the far end so I can tilt the antenna over, but that won’t be a problem if necessary. We had over an inch of rain Sunday, so I figured I’d better strike when the iron was soft. Got down about 2 feet and about a foot in diameter. Need to go a foot deeper and 6” bigger around, but at least I haven’t hit Kaolin yet. I'm going to set two 4 x 4's three feet in the ground (in concrete) with the mast between them tilting at about the 4' 6" mark. The antenna is supposed to be 25' high, so figuring just a bit of mast above the 4 x 4's, my 30' clear-zone should be okay. (I hope!) Mama is taking my truck to Florida this weekend, so I'd better go get some concrete mix or I'll be hauling it in the back of my son's Ford Focus. Mike WM4B From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Rick - N7WE Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 4:13 PM To: 070Club@groups.io Subject: Re: [070Club] Hustler 6BTV Golly Mike, I'd really like to help out, but.......I'm not certified to excavate! I once ran into a guy who was a registered professional excavation engineer. No kidding! He designed and certified excavation plans for large constructions like high rise buildings, TV towers, etc. He was a character. Would tell people he "started out small and just keep getting in deeper and deeper. Planned to retire if he ever got out of the hole he was in!" Rick - N7WE On 1/30/2018 16:01, Mike Besemer wrote: Rick, If you're really looking for something to do, I need a hole dug to plant my Gap Titan DX. Mike WM4B On Jan 30, 2018 3:50 PM, Rick - N7WE <n7we1980@...> wrote: That's what I did. Started on 10, then 15, readjust 10 and 15 until have both. This did require moving the traps from the factory positioning on the tubes, not just changing the overall spacing. Then adjusted 20 and readjusted 10, 15, and 20 until I had all three....and so on thru 80. Then went back and did 12 (adjusts with HotRodz) with only minimal change on 10 (no adjustment needed) and the same with 17. It took a while, lots of ups and downs, but wasn't too bad as I had installed the DXEngineering tilt-base when I put it up. When we were traveling summers, I took the antenna down and stored it in three pieces. Reinstalling in the fall only required minor tweaking. What I have noticed is that with the change in temps here in Florida from winter to summer, there is sufficient expansion of the aluminum tubing to change the tuning. Now that we are home summers, I re-tune when it heats up and then again when it cools off! Probably a waste, but I like to have things as close as I can. And it gives me something to do! Rick - N7WE On 1/30/2018 15:21, Jerry N9AVY wrote: Rick: Did you start tuning 0n 10m and work your way up to 80/160m ? Just curious. My dual sloper isn't working yet. Jerry ________________________________________ From: Rick - N7WE <n7we1980@...> To: 070Club@groups.io Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 2:05 PM Subject: Re: [070Club] Hustler 6BTV Dick- I have the Hustler ground mounted over 40 radials of differing length - due to the lot. The shortest is about 15 feet and the longest about 28 feet. The Hustler has DXEngineering 12m and 17m add-ons, and I can tune without cutting any tubes. Here's the readings from the MFJ259B SWR R X 3.580 1.0 50 3 7.035 1.1 38 0 7.070 1.2 36 0 10.140 1.1 54 8 14.070 1.1 42 0 18.100 1.0 52 3 21.070 1.1 46 6 24.920 1.1 72 0 28.120 1.0 64 0 I follow the DXEngineering guide - Chapter 7 - for tuning instead of the Hustler's instructions. If you don't have it, you can download it HERE in PDF format. Good luck and I hope that helps. Let me know! Rick - N7WE 070 - #1602 Virus-free. www.avg.com -- Rick - N7WE 070 - #1602 -- Rick - N7WE 070 - #1602 |
||
|
|
||
|
Re: Hustler 6BTV
Golly Mike, I'd really like to help
out, but.......I'm not certified to excavate! I once ran into a guy who was a registered professional excavation engineer. No kidding! He designed and certified excavation plans for large constructions like high rise buildings, TV towers, etc. He was a character. Would tell people he "started out small and just keep getting in deeper and deeper. Planned to retire if he ever got out of the hole he was in!" Rick - N7WE On 1/30/2018 16:01, Mike Besemer wrote:
--
Rick - N7WE 070 - #1602 |
||
|
|
||
|
Re: Hustler 6BTV
Gap Titan DX great antenna
From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Besemer
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 4:01 PM To: 070Club@groups.io Subject: Re: [070Club] Hustler 6BTV
Rick,
If you're really looking for something to do, I need a hole dug to plant my Gap Titan DX.
Mike WM4B On Jan 30, 2018 3:50 PM, Rick - N7WE <n7we1980@...> wrote: That's what I did. Started on 10, then 15, readjust 10 and 15 until have both. This did require moving the traps from the factory positioning on the tubes, not just changing the overall spacing. Then adjusted 20 and readjusted 10, 15, and 20 until I had all three....and so on thru 80. Then went back and did 12 (adjusts with HotRodz) with only minimal change on 10 (no adjustment needed) and the same with 17. It took a while, lots of ups and downs, but wasn't too bad as I had installed the DXEngineering tilt-base when I put it up. When we were traveling summers, I took the antenna down and stored it in three pieces. Reinstalling in the fall only required minor tweaking. What I have noticed is that with the change in temps here in Florida from winter to summer, there is sufficient expansion of the aluminum tubing to change the tuning. Now that we are home summers, I re-tune when it heats up and then again when it cools off! Probably a waste, but I like to have things as close as I can. And it gives me something to do! Rick - N7WE
On 1/30/2018 15:21, Jerry N9AVY wrote:
|
||
|
|
||
|
Re: Hustler 6BTV
Mike Besemer <mwbesemer@...>
Rick, If you're really looking for something to do, I need a hole dug to plant my Gap Titan DX. Mike WM4B On Jan 30, 2018 3:50 PM, Rick - N7WE <n7we1980@...> wrote:
|
||
|
|
||
|
Re: Hustler 6BTV
That's what I did. Started on 10, then 15, readjust 10 and 15 until have both. This did require moving the traps from the factory positioning on the tubes, not just changing the overall spacing. Then adjusted 20 and readjusted 10, 15, and 20 until I had all three....and so on thru 80. Then went back and did 12 (adjusts with HotRodz) with only minimal change on 10 (no adjustment needed) and the same with 17. It took a while, lots of ups and downs, but wasn't too bad as I had installed the DXEngineering tilt-base when I put it up. When we were traveling summers, I took the antenna down and stored it in three pieces. Reinstalling in the fall only required minor tweaking. What I have noticed is that with the change in temps here in Florida from winter to summer, there is sufficient expansion of the aluminum tubing to change the tuning. Now that we are home summers, I re-tune when it heats up and then again when it cools off! Probably a waste, but I like to have things as close as I can. And it gives me something to do! Rick - N7WE On 1/30/2018 15:21, Jerry N9AVY wrote:
--
Rick - N7WE 070 - #1602 |
||
|
|
||
|
Re: Hustler 6BTV
Rick: Did you start tuning 0n 10m and work your way up to 80/160m ? Just curious. My dual sloper isn't working yet. Jerry From: Rick - N7WE <n7we1980@...> To: 070Club@groups.io Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 2:05 PM Subject: Re: [070Club] Hustler 6BTV Dick- I have the Hustler ground mounted over 40 radials of differing length - due to the lot. The shortest is about 15 feet and the longest about 28 feet. The Hustler has DXEngineering 12m and 17m add-ons, and I can tune without cutting any tubes. Here's the readings from the MFJ259B SWR R X 3.580 1.0 50 3 7.035 1.1 38 0 7.070 1.2 36 0 10.140 1.1 54 8 14.070 1.1 42 0 18.100 1.0 52 3 21.070 1.1 46 6 24.920 1.1 72 0 28.120 1.0 64 0 I follow the DXEngineering guide - Chapter 7 - for tuning instead of the Hustler's instructions. If you don't have it, you can download it HERE in PDF format. Good luck and I hope that helps. Let me know! Rick - N7WE 070 - #1602 |
||
|
|
||
|
Re: Hustler 6BTV
Dick-
I have the Hustler ground mounted over 40 radials of differing length - due to the lot. The shortest is about 15 feet and the longest about 28 feet. The Hustler has DXEngineering 12m and 17m add-ons, and I can tune without cutting any tubes. Here's the readings from the MFJ259B SWR R X 3.580 1.0 50 3 7.035 1.1 38 0 7.070 1.2 36 0 10.140 1.1 54 8 14.070 1.1 42 0 18.100 1.0 52 3 21.070 1.1 46 6 24.920 1.1 72 0 28.120 1.0 64 0 I follow the DXEngineering guide - Chapter 7 - for tuning instead of the Hustler's instructions. If you don't have it, you can download it HERE in PDF format. Good luck and I hope that helps. Let me know! Rick - N7WE 070 - #1602 |
||
|
|
||
|
Re: Another go at 160m tonight
Sorry guys...I won't be on. The 160m adaptation is down and I'm back to 80-10. I live in an HOA restricted community and am thankful just to be allowed the vertical. I try to get the temporary wires I put up in "violation" of the rules down before anyone sees them and gets upset. Good luck to you all and I hope to have a few more nights on 160 before the season ends. But I got to space them out!
-- Rick - N7WE 070 - #1602 |
||
|
|
||
|
Re: Another go at 160m tonight
Paul Milward <nu4c@...>
OK guys. I'll be listening tonite. Hope I can make a contact. Iwas unable to operate last nite Paul NU4C Sent from my Galaxy Tab® A -------- Original message -------- From: Mike Besemer <mwbesemer@...> Date: 1/30/18 14:03 (GMT-05:00) To: 070Club@groups.io Subject: Re: [070Club] Another go at 160m tonight I'll start looking between 0000 and 0100. Mike WM4B On Jan 30, 2018 1:49 PM, Jim K5SP <jinnis@...> wrote:
|
||
|
|
||
|
Re: Another go at 160m tonight
Mike Besemer <mwbesemer@...>
I'll start looking between 0000 and 0100. Mike WM4B On Jan 30, 2018 1:49 PM, Jim K5SP <jinnis@...> wrote:
|
||
|
|
||
|
Re: Another go at 160m tonight
I plan on being there. Hope you East guys can see me. Would like to see some of the Midwest guys on, it was quite lonely ladt night with only one contact, even though I saw and copied several of you. JIM K5SP Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S®6 active, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Mike Besemer <mwbesemer@...> Date: 1/30/18 12:15 PM (GMT-06:00) To: 070Club@groups.io Subject: Re: [070Club] Another go at 160m tonight Anyone going to play tonight? I'd love to catch a few new calls tonight. I know there were a couple on last night I didn't get to work. Mike WM4B On Jan 30, 2018 12:48 PM, Rick - N7WE <n7we1980@...> wrote:
Dick I saw you briefly but couldn't get you long enough to work you. Sorry, would have liked to pay you back for the grids on your trip! The website I used was https://k5acl.wordpress.com/2017/02/08/adding-160-meters-to-a-hustler-6btv/ I used the same basic approach with the wire running horizontally toward the peak of my roof. I started out with a wire length of 24 feet. I could only work off the auto tuner in the K3 for trimming as the MFJ259B chose not to work on 160m - to much local RF and I don't have their adjustable filter. And my Daiwa CN-801 just isn't accurate enough. I ended up at 19' 6" which got me to about a 3:1 on the antenna itself, and the K3 internal tuner brought it to 1.1:1. Lots of hoisting it up and letting it down. But last night made it worth the effort! Good luck if you have a go at it. -- Jim, K5SP #483 Member Services Director |
||
|
|
||
|
Re: Another go at 160m tonight
Richard Rohrer
Rick, Thanks for the info. Have you gotten your 6BTV to resonate on 30 and 40 mtrs. I have 42 radials down and I find that the antenna has lowest SWR on 30 at 9.995 mHz and 40 around 7.000 mHz. I have adjusted the trap for 30, but could not get it down very much. I am thinking about shorting the tubing for 40 to move up the band a little. My IC7410 tuner can get the SWR down, but I would like to have both bands resonate a little higher in frequency.
73 Dick – KC3EF
From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Rick - N7WE
Dick I saw you briefly but couldn't get you long enough to work you. Sorry, would have liked to pay you back for the grids on your trip! The website I used was https://k5acl.wordpress.com/2017/02/08/adding-160-meters-to-a-hustler-6btv/ I used the same basic approach with the wire running horizontally toward the peak of my roof. I started out with a wire length of 24 feet. I could only work off the auto tuner in the K3 for trimming as the MFJ259B chose not to work on 160m - to much local RF and I don't have their adjustable filter. And my Daiwa CN-801 just isn't accurate enough. I ended up at 19' 6" which got me to about a 3:1 on the antenna itself, and the K3 internal tuner brought it to 1.1:1. Lots of hoisting it up and letting it down. But last night made it worth the effort! Good luck if you have a go at it. |
||
|
|
||
|
Re: Another go at 160m tonight
Mike Besemer <mwbesemer@...>
Anyone going to play tonight? I'd love to catch a few new calls tonight. I know there were a couple on last night I didn't get to work. Mike WM4B On Jan 30, 2018 12:48 PM, Rick - N7WE <n7we1980@...> wrote: Dick I saw you briefly but couldn't get you long enough to work you. Sorry, would have liked to pay you back for the grids on your trip! The website I used was https://k5acl.wordpress.com/2017/02/08/adding-160-meters-to-a-hustler-6btv/ I used the same basic approach with the wire running horizontally toward the peak of my roof. I started out with a wire length of 24 feet. I could only work off the auto tuner in the K3 for trimming as the MFJ259B chose not to work on 160m - to much local RF and I don't have their adjustable filter. And my Daiwa CN-801 just isn't accurate enough. I ended up at 19' 6" which got me to about a 3:1 on the antenna itself, and the K3 internal tuner brought it to 1.1:1. Lots of hoisting it up and letting it down. But last night made it worth the effort! Good luck if you have a go at it. |
||
|
|
||
|
Re: Another go at 160m tonight
Dick I saw you briefly but couldn't get you long enough to work you. Sorry, would have liked to pay you back for the grids on your trip! The website I used was https://k5acl.wordpress.com/2017/02/08/adding-160-meters-to-a-hustler-6btv/ I used the same basic approach with the wire running horizontally toward the peak of my roof. I started out with a wire length of 24 feet. I could only work off the auto tuner in the K3 for trimming as the MFJ259B chose not to work on 160m - to much local RF and I don't have their adjustable filter. And my Daiwa CN-801 just isn't accurate enough. I ended up at 19' 6" which got me to about a 3:1 on the antenna itself, and the K3 internal tuner brought it to 1.1:1. Lots of hoisting it up and letting it down. But last night made it worth the effort! Good luck if you have a go at it.
One other note: I did drop one of the 3/32 allen head setscrews in the grass when I was changing out the whip for the wire. Didn't even bother to look for it. Just made a hardware store run this morning for a replacement. Bought several hi hi! -- Rick - N7WE 070 - #1602 |
||
|
|
||
|
Re: Another go at 160m tonight
Richard Rohrer
Nice time on 160 last night. I worked W4RTT, K4ARE, KX4WB, and WM4B which increased my state count to 5 states on 160. I did not manage to work Rick, N7WE, although I think I saw him on the waterfall briefly. I thought that since our QTH are fairly close I would get him on ground wave, but no luck.
Rick, what website suggested the mod to the 6BTV, as I have one also?
73 Dick – KC3EF 070 - 747
From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Rick - N7WE
OK, a different approach to an antenna now operational. I'll be on 1.807 near 0100 UTC calling CQ. Prop from last night was reported as good from then until it started to fall off about 1200 UTC. And no contest showing on WA7BNM's contest calendar. This antenna setup shows 3.1:1 SWR and tunes to 1.1:1 with my internal tuner. It remains to be seen if it can hear and speak. Any help greatly appreciated! |
||
|
|
||
|
Re: Another go at 160m tonight
Mike Besemer <mwbesemer@...>
Congrats, Rick!
My path was also N-S, but managed to get 6 new calls in the log. Got a long way to go, but this sure helped. Glad to see so many guys come out. 73, Mike WM4B From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Rick - N7WE Sent: Monday, January 29, 2018 9:11 PM To: 070Club@groups.io Subject: Re: [070Club] Another go at 160m tonight Well now that was just plain fun! Many thanks to all who came out. I did manage to complete my top band endorsement. Whew! It sure is a lot easier when the antenna can hear and speak. What I did was run a wire off the 80m resonator on the top of the Hustler 6BTV to add top load capacitance. Saw it on the internet. Ended up with the wire being about 19' 6" long and that got things to where the internal tuner on the K3 handled it with no problems...and no auto backing down the power. Not an effecient set up, and I loose 80m with this configuration, but it got the job done. Thanks for all the reports guys. Jim, I never saw you. But I think I worked everyone I could hear. It was mostly N&S - NY, PA, NC, GA, KY, TN, and MS. Thanks again to you all! -- Rick - N7WE 070 - #1602 |
||
|
|
||
|
Re: Another go at 160m tonight
JEFF WALSH
congrats Rick on ur Top Band 20 .... u earned it !! JEFF WALSH W3WMU #1673 BUBBAWOOD WORLDWIDE HEADQUARTERS STURGIS, MS. On Monday, January 29, 2018 8:11 PM, Rick - N7WE <n7we1980@...> wrote: Well now that was just plain fun! Many thanks to all who came out. I did manage to complete my top band endorsement. Whew! It sure is a lot easier when the antenna can hear and speak. What I did was run a wire off the 80m resonator on the top of the Hustler 6BTV to add top load capacitance. Saw it on the internet. Ended up with the wire being about 19' 6" long and that got things to where the internal tuner on the K3 handled it with no problems...and no auto backing down the power. Not an effecient set up, and I loose 80m with this configuration, but it got the job done. Thanks for all the reports guys. Jim, I never saw you. But I think I worked everyone I could hear. It was mostly N&S - NY, PA, NC, GA, KY, TN, and MS. Thanks again to you all! -- Rick - N7WE 070 - #1602 |
||
|
|
||
|
Re: Another go at 160m tonight
Well now that was just plain fun! Many thanks to all who came out. I did manage to complete my top band endorsement. Whew! It sure is a lot easier when the antenna can hear and speak. What I did was run a wire off the 80m resonator on the top of the Hustler 6BTV to add top load capacitance. Saw it on the internet. Ended up with the wire being about 19' 6" long and that got things to where the internal tuner on the K3 handled it with no problems...and no auto backing down the power. Not an effecient set up, and I loose 80m with this configuration, but it got the job done. Thanks for all the reports guys.
Jim, I never saw you. But I think I worked everyone I could hear. It was mostly N&S - NY, PA, NC, GA, KY, TN, and MS. Thanks again to you all! -- Rick - N7WE 070 - #1602 |
||
|
|
||
|
Re: Another go at 160m tonight
Well, I made out with 6 contacts. N2MLP N7WE KC3EF W3WMU WM4B KX4WB
Randy W4RTT From: 070Club@groups.io <070Club@groups.io> on behalf of JEFF WALSH <jeffwalsh1644@...>
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2018 8:39 PM To: 070Club@groups.io Subject: Re: [070Club] Another go at 160m tonight Rick .... ur antenna setup doing fb here in MS ....good copy last 10 minutes
JEFF WALSH
W3WMU
#1673
BUBBAWOOD
WORLDWIDE HEADQUARTERS
STURGIS, MS.
On Monday, January 29, 2018 2:29 PM, Rick - N7WE <n7we1980@...> wrote:
OK, a different approach to an antenna now operational. I'll be on 1.807 near 0100 UTC calling CQ. Prop from last night was reported as good from then until it started to fall off about 1200 UTC. And no contest showing on WA7BNM's
contest calendar. This antenna setup shows 3.1:1 SWR and tunes to 1.1:1 with my internal tuner. It remains to be seen if it can hear and speak. Any help greatly appreciated!
-- Rick - N7WE 070 - #1602 |
||
|
|
