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Re: FT-8 Burnout ?

Martin Tuip
 

And the comments on the article confirm once again that a lot of ham operators are plain a holes.


Martin
kg7hax



On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 10:03 AM -0800, "Jerry N9AVY" <n9avy@...> wrote:

This is an article on eham.net about those who are tiring of FT-8 switching to Olivia.  Nice start. Maybe a trend ?

Jerry  n9avy


Re: FT-8 Burnout ?

Charles Odom, KI4VMK # 2542
 

I have worked several people lately that are leaving FT8 and coming back to PSK31 and Olivia.

Charles, KI4VMK
# 2542

On Feb 11, 2018, at 12:03 PM, Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...> wrote:
This is an article on eham.net about those who are tiring of FT-8 switching to Olivia.  Nice start. Maybe a trend ?

Jerry  n9avy


FT-8 Burnout ?

Jerry N9AVY
 

This is an article on eham.net about those who are tiring of FT-8 switching to Olivia.  Nice start. Maybe a trend ?

Jerry  n9avy


Re: 5 signals simultaneously ???

Jerry N9AVY
 

We have enough people doing that already.

Jerry  n9avy



From: B C <k9wis@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Cc: Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...>
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 10:19 PM
Subject: Re: [070Club] 5 signals simultaneously ???

Gee. I can transmit more than that at a time just by cranking up the drive and filling the band with sidebands...hi hi
Brian K9WIS

---- Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...> wrote:
>
> Well this is just a bit weird and seems like we're just one step away from making operator obsolete....  from 425 DX Bulletin
>
>
> FT8 DXPEDITION MODE ---> A "Release Candidate" version (WSJT-X v1.9.0-rc1)
> of the WSJT-X digimode software is due to be released later this month. It
> will introduce a new "FT8 DXpedition Mode", whose basic goal is to enable
> DXpeditions to make FT8 QSOs at the highest possible rates. The DXpedition
> station (the "Fox") will be able to transmit up to five signals
> simultaneously, and contact multiple calling stations (the "hounds") at the
> same time. The new mode will permit contacts to be completed with as little
> as one Fox transmission per contact, and sustained rates of several hundred
> QSOs/hour are expected to be possible. Making FT8 QSOs with KH1/KH7Z (this
> summer's expedition to Baker Island) will require the DXpedition and
> everyone trying to work them to use the new version of WSJT-X. A draft of
> the "FT8 DXpedition Mode User Guide" can be found at
> http://physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/k1jt/FT8_DXpedition_Mode.pdf.






Re: 5 signals simultaneously ???

B C <k9wis@...>
 

Gee. I can transmit more than that at a time just by cranking up the drive and filling the band with sidebands...hi hi
Brian K9WIS

---- Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@sbcglobal.net> wrote:


Well this is just a bit weird and seems like we're just one step away from making operator obsolete....  from 425 DX Bulletin


FT8 DXPEDITION MODE ---> A "Release Candidate" version (WSJT-X v1.9.0-rc1)
of the WSJT-X digimode software is due to be released later this month. It
will introduce a new "FT8 DXpedition Mode", whose basic goal is to enable
DXpeditions to make FT8 QSOs at the highest possible rates. The DXpedition
station (the "Fox") will be able to transmit up to five signals
simultaneously, and contact multiple calling stations (the "hounds") at the
same time. The new mode will permit contacts to be completed with as little
as one Fox transmission per contact, and sustained rates of several hundred
QSOs/hour are expected to be possible. Making FT8 QSOs with KH1/KH7Z (this
summer's expedition to Baker Island) will require the DXpedition and
everyone trying to work them to use the new version of WSJT-X. A draft of
the "FT8 DXpedition Mode User Guide" can be found at
http://physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/k1jt/FT8_DXpedition_Mode.pdf.


Re: 5 signals simultaneously ???

Jerry N9AVY
 

One about every 20 Hz.



From: Paul Milward <nu4c@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 2:01 PM
Subject: Re: [070Club] 5 signals simultaneously ???

9h yea Jerry. I've seen and heard knuckleheads on the air. 99% of the population are knuckleheads. It's all about me me Me ME



Sent from my Galaxy Tab® A

-------- Original message --------
From: Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...>
Date: 2/10/18 12:02 (GMT-05:00)
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] 5 signals simultaneously ???

You're saying there are knuckleheads in our hobby ?  Must be true I saw it on the internet.

Jerry   N9AVY



From: Brian (N2MLP) <n2mlp@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: [070Club] 5 signals simultaneously ???

Will see how many knuckleheads start  using  it every day
 
From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Stephen Melachrinos
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 11:04 AM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] 5 signals simultaneously ???
 
I saw that. As I understand it, FT8 QSOs are pretty much automated once the operator selects the callsign of the other station. This allows the DXped operator to run 5 QSOs in parallel, since s/he is pretty much an observer for most of the process.
 
Where it gets interesting is that technically this means five signals on the band at one time. That's not a problem for DXing, but could violate some contest rules.
 
Steve
W3HF
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...>
To: 070Club <070Club@groups.io>
Sent: Sat, Feb 10, 2018 10:49 am
Subject: [070Club] 5 signals simultaneously ???
 
Well this is just a bit weird and seems like we're just one step away from making operator obsolete....  from 425 DX Bulletin
 
 
FT8 DXPEDITION MODE ---> A "Release Candidate" version (WSJT-X v1.9.0-rc1)
of the WSJT-X digimode software is due to be released later this month. It
will introduce a new "FT8 DXpedition Mode", whose basic goal is to enable
DXpeditions to make FT8 QSOs at the highest possible rates. The DXpedition
station (the "Fox") will be able to transmit up to five signals
simultaneously, and contact multiple calling stations (the "hounds") at the
same time. The new mode will permit contacts to be completed with as little
as one Fox transmission per contact, and sustained rates of several hundred
QSOs/hour are expected to be possible. Making FT8 QSOs with KH1/KH7Z (this
summer's expedition to Baker Island) will require the DXpedition and
everyone trying to work them to use the new version of WSJT-X. A draft of
the "FT8 DXpedition Mode User Guide" can be found at

http://physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/k1jt/FT8_DXpedition_Mode.pdf.





Re: 5 signals simultaneously ???

Paul Milward <nu4c@...>
 

9h yea Jerry. I've seen and heard knuckleheads on the air. 99% of the population are knuckleheads. It's all about me me Me ME



Sent from my Galaxy Tab® A

-------- Original message --------
From: Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...>
Date: 2/10/18 12:02 (GMT-05:00)
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] 5 signals simultaneously ???

You're saying there are knuckleheads in our hobby ?  Must be true I saw it on the internet.

Jerry   N9AVY



From: Brian (N2MLP) <n2mlp@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: [070Club] 5 signals simultaneously ???

Will see how many knuckleheads start  using  it every day
 
From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Stephen Melachrinos
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 11:04 AM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] 5 signals simultaneously ???
 
I saw that. As I understand it, FT8 QSOs are pretty much automated once the operator selects the callsign of the other station. This allows the DXped operator to run 5 QSOs in parallel, since s/he is pretty much an observer for most of the process.
 
Where it gets interesting is that technically this means five signals on the band at one time. That's not a problem for DXing, but could violate some contest rules.
 
Steve
W3HF
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...>
To: 070Club <070Club@groups.io>
Sent: Sat, Feb 10, 2018 10:49 am
Subject: [070Club] 5 signals simultaneously ???
 
Well this is just a bit weird and seems like we're just one step away from making operator obsolete....  from 425 DX Bulletin
 
 
FT8 DXPEDITION MODE ---> A "Release Candidate" version (WSJT-X v1.9.0-rc1)
of the WSJT-X digimode software is due to be released later this month. It
will introduce a new "FT8 DXpedition Mode", whose basic goal is to enable
DXpeditions to make FT8 QSOs at the highest possible rates. The DXpedition
station (the "Fox") will be able to transmit up to five signals
simultaneously, and contact multiple calling stations (the "hounds") at the
same time. The new mode will permit contacts to be completed with as little
as one Fox transmission per contact, and sustained rates of several hundred
QSOs/hour are expected to be possible. Making FT8 QSOs with KH1/KH7Z (this
summer's expedition to Baker Island) will require the DXpedition and
everyone trying to work them to use the new version of WSJT-X. A draft of
the "FT8 DXpedition Mode User Guide" can be found at

http://physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/k1jt/FT8_DXpedition_Mode.pdf.



Re: 5 signals simultaneously ???

Jerry N9AVY
 

Brian:

Don't sweat the spelling.  It's a known fact that many great authors couldn't spell and that is why there are "proof-readers".

Jerry  n9avy



From: Brian (N2MLP) <n2mlp@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 11:23 AM
Subject: Re: [070Club] 5 signals simultaneously ???

Guess I’m one too
 
For poor spelling
 
Their on every mode and band
·         Test a antenna at a KW
·         Have a QSO  with a station  a mile away at full legal limit
·         Running voice in CW / digital segment of band
·         Using CB  lingo
 
From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian (N2MLP)
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 12:22 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] 5 signals simultaneously ???
 
Was being nice,
Where on every mode and band
·         Test a antenna at a KW
·         Have a QSO  with a station  a mile away at full legal limit
·         Running voice in CW / digital segment of band
·         Using CB  lingo
 
 
 
From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Jerry N9AVY
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 12:03 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] 5 signals simultaneously ???
 
You're saying there are knuckleheads in our hobby ?  Must be true I saw it on the internet.
 
Jerry   N9AVY
 

From: Brian (N2MLP) <n2mlp@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: [070Club] 5 signals simultaneously ???
 
Will see how many knuckleheads start  using  it every day
 
From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Stephen Melachrinos
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 11:04 AM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] 5 signals simultaneously ???
 
I saw that. As I understand it, FT8 QSOs are pretty much automated once the operator selects the callsign of the other station. This allows the DXped operator to run 5 QSOs in parallel, since s/he is pretty much an observer for most of the process.
 
Where it gets interesting is that technically this means five signals on the band at one time. That's not a problem for DXing, but could violate some contest rules.
 
Steve
W3HF
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...>
To: 070Club <070Club@groups.io>
Sent: Sat, Feb 10, 2018 10:49 am
Subject: [070Club] 5 signals simultaneously ???
 
Well this is just a bit weird and seems like we're just one step away from making operator obsolete....  from 425 DX Bulletin
 
 
FT8 DXPEDITION MODE ---> A "Release Candidate" version (WSJT-X v1.9.0-rc1)
of the WSJT-X digimode software is due to be released later this month. It
will introduce a new "FT8 DXpedition Mode", whose basic goal is to enable
DXpeditions to make FT8 QSOs at the highest possible rates. The DXpedition
station (the "Fox") will be able to transmit up to five signals
simultaneously, and contact multiple calling stations (the "hounds") at the
same time. The new mode will permit contacts to be completed with as little
as one Fox transmission per contact, and sustained rates of several hundred
QSOs/hour are expected to be possible. Making FT8 QSOs with KH1/KH7Z (this
summer's expedition to Baker Island) will require the DXpedition and
everyone trying to work them to use the new version of WSJT-X. A draft of
the "FT8 DXpedition Mode User Guide" can be found at

http://physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/k1jt/FT8_DXpedition_Mode.pdf.
 



Re: 5 signals simultaneously ???

Brian (N2MLP)
 

Guess I’m one too

 

For poor spelling

 

Their on every mode and band

·         Test a antenna at a KW

·         Have a QSO  with a station  a mile away at full legal limit

·         Running voice in CW / digital segment of band

·         Using CB  lingo

 

From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian (N2MLP)
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 12:22 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] 5 signals simultaneously ???

 

Was being nice,

Where on every mode and band

·         Test a antenna at a KW

·         Have a QSO  with a station  a mile away at full legal limit

·         Running voice in CW / digital segment of band

·         Using CB  lingo

 

 

 

From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Jerry N9AVY
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 12:03 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] 5 signals simultaneously ???

 

You're saying there are knuckleheads in our hobby ?  Must be true I saw it on the internet.

 

Jerry   N9AVY

 


From: Brian (N2MLP) <n2mlp@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: [070Club] 5 signals simultaneously ???

 

Will see how many knuckleheads start  using  it every day

 

From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Stephen Melachrinos
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 11:04 AM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] 5 signals simultaneously ???

 

I saw that. As I understand it, FT8 QSOs are pretty much automated once the operator selects the callsign of the other station. This allows the DXped operator to run 5 QSOs in parallel, since s/he is pretty much an observer for most of the process.

 

Where it gets interesting is that technically this means five signals on the band at one time. That's not a problem for DXing, but could violate some contest rules.

 

Steve

W3HF

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...>
To: 070Club <070Club@groups.io>
Sent: Sat, Feb 10, 2018 10:49 am
Subject: [070Club] 5 signals simultaneously ???

 

Well this is just a bit weird and seems like we're just one step away from making operator obsolete....  from 425 DX Bulletin

 

 

FT8 DXPEDITION MODE ---> A "Release Candidate" version (WSJT-X v1.9.0-rc1)
of the WSJT-X digimode software is due to be released later this month. It
will introduce a new "FT8 DXpedition Mode", whose basic goal is to enable
DXpeditions to make FT8 QSOs at the highest possible rates. The DXpedition
station (the "Fox") will be able to transmit up to five signals
simultaneously, and contact multiple calling stations (the "hounds") at the
same time. The new mode will permit contacts to be completed with as little
as one Fox transmission per contact, and sustained rates of several hundred
QSOs/hour are expected to be possible. Making FT8 QSOs with KH1/KH7Z (this
summer's expedition to Baker Island) will require the DXpedition and
everyone trying to work them to use the new version of WSJT-X. A draft of
the "FT8 DXpedition Mode User Guide" can be found at

http://physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/k1jt/FT8_DXpedition_Mode.pdf.

 


Re: 5 signals simultaneously ???

Brian (N2MLP)
 

Was being nice,

Where on every mode and band

·         Test a antenna at a KW

·         Have a QSO  with a station  a mile away at full legal limit

·         Running voice in CW / digital segment of band

·         Using CB  lingo

 

 

 

From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Jerry N9AVY
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 12:03 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] 5 signals simultaneously ???

 

You're saying there are knuckleheads in our hobby ?  Must be true I saw it on the internet.



Jerry   N9AVY

 


From: Brian (N2MLP) <n2mlp@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: [070Club] 5 signals simultaneously ???

 

Will see how many knuckleheads start  using  it every day

 

From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Stephen Melachrinos
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 11:04 AM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] 5 signals simultaneously ???

 

I saw that. As I understand it, FT8 QSOs are pretty much automated once the operator selects the callsign of the other station. This allows the DXped operator to run 5 QSOs in parallel, since s/he is pretty much an observer for most of the process.

 

Where it gets interesting is that technically this means five signals on the band at one time. That's not a problem for DXing, but could violate some contest rules.

 

Steve

W3HF

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...>
To: 070Club <070Club@groups.io>
Sent: Sat, Feb 10, 2018 10:49 am
Subject: [070Club] 5 signals simultaneously ???

 

Well this is just a bit weird and seems like we're just one step away from making operator obsolete....  from 425 DX Bulletin

 

 

FT8 DXPEDITION MODE ---> A "Release Candidate" version (WSJT-X v1.9.0-rc1)
of the WSJT-X digimode software is due to be released later this month. It
will introduce a new "FT8 DXpedition Mode", whose basic goal is to enable
DXpeditions to make FT8 QSOs at the highest possible rates. The DXpedition
station (the "Fox") will be able to transmit up to five signals
simultaneously, and contact multiple calling stations (the "hounds") at the
same time. The new mode will permit contacts to be completed with as little
as one Fox transmission per contact, and sustained rates of several hundred
QSOs/hour are expected to be possible. Making FT8 QSOs with KH1/KH7Z (this
summer's expedition to Baker Island) will require the DXpedition and
everyone trying to work them to use the new version of WSJT-X. A draft of
the "FT8 DXpedition Mode User Guide" can be found at

http://physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/k1jt/FT8_DXpedition_Mode.pdf.

 


Re: 5 signals simultaneously ???

Mike Flowers
 

Hi Milt,

 

Yes, I think you can achieve a 300 QPH on both SSB and CW, under the right conditions.   I don’t think that rate is sustainable for hours on end, but for peak periods it is.

 

When I was out on Conway Reef, the CW ops were on fire.   Propagation was excellent, and our ops could pick up a lot of calls out of the pileups without tuning.  When condx are not great, the rate drops off precipitously.

 

11 seconds is a generous amount of time for a DX QSO with good ops at both ends.

 

- 73 and good DX de Mike, K6MKF, Past President - NCDXC

 

From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Milton Garb
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 8:06 AM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] 5 signals simultaneously ???

 

Mike, as past-president of the Northern California DX Club, you are an expert!

Is 300 Q's an hour attainable in any mode at all?? That's like a QSO every 11 seconds?

Milt.

N6MG

070-650

LONP # 76

 

 

 

From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Flowers
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 7:55 AM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] 5 signals simultaneously ???

 

Yup.   For DXpeditions, it’s all about the QSO rate.  So ‘best case’ for with this new version is about 300 Qs an hour, which amounts to the highest QSO rate for a digital mode that I know of.

 

I can only imagine what is going to happen when "FT8 DXpedition Mode" is released into the wild … :>0

 

- 73 and good DX de Mike, K6MKF, Past President - NCDXC

 

From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Jerry N9AVY
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 7:49 AM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: [070Club] 5 signals simultaneously ???

 

 

Well this is just a bit weird and seems like we're just one step away from making operator obsolete....  from 425 DX Bulletin

 

 

FT8 DXPEDITION MODE ---> A "Release Candidate" version (WSJT-X v1.9.0-rc1)
of the WSJT-X digimode software is due to be released later this month. It
will introduce a new "FT8 DXpedition Mode", whose basic goal is to enable
DXpeditions to make FT8 QSOs at the highest possible rates. The DXpedition
station (the "Fox") will be able to transmit up to five signals
simultaneously, and contact multiple calling stations (the "hounds") at the
same time. The new mode will permit contacts to be completed with as little
as one Fox transmission per contact, and sustained rates of several hundred
QSOs/hour are expected to be possible. Making FT8 QSOs with KH1/KH7Z (this
summer's expedition to Baker Island) will require the DXpedition and
everyone trying to work them to use the new version of WSJT-X. A draft of
the "FT8 DXpedition Mode User Guide" can be found at

http://physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/k1jt/FT8_DXpedition_Mode.pdf.


Re: 5 signals simultaneously ???

 

Mike, as past-president of the Northern California DX Club, you are an expert!

Is 300 Q's an hour attainable in any mode at all?? That's like a QSO every 11 seconds?

Milt.

N6MG

070-650

LONP # 76

 

 

 

From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Flowers
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 7:55 AM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] 5 signals simultaneously ???

 

Yup.   For DXpeditions, it’s all about the QSO rate.  So ‘best case’ for with this new version is about 300 Qs an hour, which amounts to the highest QSO rate for a digital mode that I know of.

 

I can only imagine what is going to happen when "FT8 DXpedition Mode" is released into the wild … :>0

 

- 73 and good DX de Mike, K6MKF, Past President - NCDXC

 

From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Jerry N9AVY
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 7:49 AM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: [070Club] 5 signals simultaneously ???

 

 

Well this is just a bit weird and seems like we're just one step away from making operator obsolete....  from 425 DX Bulletin

 

 

FT8 DXPEDITION MODE ---> A "Release Candidate" version (WSJT-X v1.9.0-rc1)
of the WSJT-X digimode software is due to be released later this month. It
will introduce a new "FT8 DXpedition Mode", whose basic goal is to enable
DXpeditions to make FT8 QSOs at the highest possible rates. The DXpedition
station (the "Fox") will be able to transmit up to five signals
simultaneously, and contact multiple calling stations (the "hounds") at the
same time. The new mode will permit contacts to be completed with as little
as one Fox transmission per contact, and sustained rates of several hundred
QSOs/hour are expected to be possible. Making FT8 QSOs with KH1/KH7Z (this
summer's expedition to Baker Island) will require the DXpedition and
everyone trying to work them to use the new version of WSJT-X. A draft of
the "FT8 DXpedition Mode User Guide" can be found at

http://physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/k1jt/FT8_DXpedition_Mode.pdf.


Re: 5 signals simultaneously ???

Jerry N9AVY
 

You're saying there are knuckleheads in our hobby ?  Must be true I saw it on the internet.

Jerry   N9AVY



From: Brian (N2MLP) <n2mlp@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: [070Club] 5 signals simultaneously ???

Will see how many knuckleheads start  using  it every day
 
From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Stephen Melachrinos
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 11:04 AM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] 5 signals simultaneously ???
 
I saw that. As I understand it, FT8 QSOs are pretty much automated once the operator selects the callsign of the other station. This allows the DXped operator to run 5 QSOs in parallel, since s/he is pretty much an observer for most of the process.
 
Where it gets interesting is that technically this means five signals on the band at one time. That's not a problem for DXing, but could violate some contest rules.
 
Steve
W3HF
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...>
To: 070Club <070Club@groups.io>
Sent: Sat, Feb 10, 2018 10:49 am
Subject: [070Club] 5 signals simultaneously ???
 
Well this is just a bit weird and seems like we're just one step away from making operator obsolete....  from 425 DX Bulletin
 
 
FT8 DXPEDITION MODE ---> A "Release Candidate" version (WSJT-X v1.9.0-rc1)
of the WSJT-X digimode software is due to be released later this month. It
will introduce a new "FT8 DXpedition Mode", whose basic goal is to enable
DXpeditions to make FT8 QSOs at the highest possible rates. The DXpedition
station (the "Fox") will be able to transmit up to five signals
simultaneously, and contact multiple calling stations (the "hounds") at the
same time. The new mode will permit contacts to be completed with as little
as one Fox transmission per contact, and sustained rates of several hundred
QSOs/hour are expected to be possible. Making FT8 QSOs with KH1/KH7Z (this
summer's expedition to Baker Island) will require the DXpedition and
everyone trying to work them to use the new version of WSJT-X. A draft of
the "FT8 DXpedition Mode User Guide" can be found at

http://physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/k1jt/FT8_DXpedition_Mode.pdf.



Re: 17m PSK 18.100.....moved? #2017doubleheader

Jerry N9AVY
 

Ignorance is why it was picked by someone who should have known better.

Jerry  n9avy



From: Don_KB9UMT via Groups.Io <dhobson123@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: [070Club] 17m PSK 18.100.....moved? #2017doubleheader

Using the WebSDR EU receivers for 17m at 18.100 USB I monitored last Sunday and now today on Saturday (about an hour or more each time)....and there has been no PSK activity that I can see on 17m....PSK CQs right at 18.100 just below the FT8 traffic gave no replies back State Side or EU so I guess 17m PSK is lost to FT8.  I'm not against FT8 but do wonder why 18.100 was picked knowing it was a PSK spot but now for 17m anyway guess we all must go where the activity is even though it is call, report, RRR-73 then auto on to the next.



Re: 5 signals simultaneously ???

Rick - N7WE
 

Reading the PDF, "up to 500 QSOs per hour under ideal conditions."  This WILL move to non-DX operations.  Who is going to stop it?  Joe Taylor?  ARRL?  FCC?  I don't think so.  You can't put the genie back in the bottle.  The answer will be "Well, it is what the Ham community wants."  Then it will be on to contests.  Imagine SO2R operations in WSJT-X DX Mode.  Even the very best CW ops can't hit 1000 QSOs per hour.  How about combining WSJT-X DX Mode and ALE?  Turn it on and have DXCC overnight while you sleep.

"Just because you can, doesn't mean you should!"  The limit to automation (in all forms) is not a technical question but a moral and ethical one.
--
Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602


Looks like FT8 Ops wanting more room would like to take over 20m & 40m PSK sections too

Don_KB9UMT
 

FYI PSK OPs

Looks like FT8 Ops wanting to take 20m and 40m PSK sections too (17m is gone) since they see little PSK activity now that FT8 is where everyone is at and where the activity it at (or so they think if only listening a few minutes).....wonder if they think if they hear no CW or QRP activity that they will move to those areas of the band too.  Not to stir the pot because I personally like any and all digital modes and I also fully support 070 and promoting PSK activity.  I just hope that doesn't stop and I also like more than a report at times and PSK ragchews I will miss.

https://www.eham.net/ehamforum/smf/index.php/topic,119044.0.html


Re: 5 signals simultaneously ???

Paul Milward <nu4c@...>
 

Steve 
In my experience "if it can happen ... it will happen"
Paul nu4c



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-------- Original message --------
From: Stephen Melachrinos <melachri@...>
Date: 2/10/18 11:06 (GMT-05:00)
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] 5 signals simultaneously ???

"...into the wild..."

I wonder whether JT will limit the distribution of the DXped Mode software. It seems to me that if it's truly a public distribution, then individuals may want to use it on a more casual basis, just to increase QSOs. And that could lead to chaos.

Steve
W3HF


-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Flowers <mike.flowers@...>
To: 070Club <070Club@groups.io>
Sent: Sat, Feb 10, 2018 10:54 am
Subject: Re: [070Club] 5 signals simultaneously ???

 
I can only imagine what is going to happen when "FT8 DXpedition Mode" is released into the wild … :>0
 
- 73 and good DX de Mike, K6MKF, Past President - NCDXC
 


Re: 5 signals simultaneously ???

Brian (N2MLP)
 

Will see how many knuckleheads start  using  it every day

 

From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Stephen Melachrinos
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 11:04 AM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] 5 signals simultaneously ???

 

I saw that. As I understand it, FT8 QSOs are pretty much automated once the operator selects the callsign of the other station. This allows the DXped operator to run 5 QSOs in parallel, since s/he is pretty much an observer for most of the process.

 

Where it gets interesting is that technically this means five signals on the band at one time. That's not a problem for DXing, but could violate some contest rules.

 

Steve

W3HF

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...>
To: 070Club <070Club@groups.io>
Sent: Sat, Feb 10, 2018 10:49 am
Subject: [070Club] 5 signals simultaneously ???

 

Well this is just a bit weird and seems like we're just one step away from making operator obsolete....  from 425 DX Bulletin

 

 

FT8 DXPEDITION MODE ---> A "Release Candidate" version (WSJT-X v1.9.0-rc1)
of the WSJT-X digimode software is due to be released later this month. It
will introduce a new "FT8 DXpedition Mode", whose basic goal is to enable
DXpeditions to make FT8 QSOs at the highest possible rates. The DXpedition
station (the "Fox") will be able to transmit up to five signals
simultaneously, and contact multiple calling stations (the "hounds") at the
same time. The new mode will permit contacts to be completed with as little
as one Fox transmission per contact, and sustained rates of several hundred
QSOs/hour are expected to be possible. Making FT8 QSOs with KH1/KH7Z (this
summer's expedition to Baker Island) will require the DXpedition and
everyone trying to work them to use the new version of WSJT-X. A draft of
the "FT8 DXpedition Mode User Guide" can be found at

http://physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/k1jt/FT8_DXpedition_Mode.pdf.


Re: 5 signals simultaneously ???

Stephen Melachrinos
 

"...into the wild..."

I wonder whether JT will limit the distribution of the DXped Mode software. It seems to me that if it's truly a public distribution, then individuals may want to use it on a more casual basis, just to increase QSOs. And that could lead to chaos.

Steve
W3HF


-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Flowers <mike.flowers@...>
To: 070Club <070Club@groups.io>
Sent: Sat, Feb 10, 2018 10:54 am
Subject: Re: [070Club] 5 signals simultaneously ???

 
I can only imagine what is going to happen when "FT8 DXpedition Mode" is released into the wild … :>0
 
- 73 and good DX de Mike, K6MKF, Past President - NCDXC
 


Re: 5 signals simultaneously ???

Stephen Melachrinos
 

I saw that. As I understand it, FT8 QSOs are pretty much automated once the operator selects the callsign of the other station. This allows the DXped operator to run 5 QSOs in parallel, since s/he is pretty much an observer for most of the process.

Where it gets interesting is that technically this means five signals on the band at one time. That's not a problem for DXing, but could violate some contest rules.

Steve
W3HF


-----Original Message-----
From: Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...>
To: 070Club <070Club@groups.io>
Sent: Sat, Feb 10, 2018 10:49 am
Subject: [070Club] 5 signals simultaneously ???


Well this is just a bit weird and seems like we're just one step away from making operator obsolete....  from 425 DX Bulletin


FT8 DXPEDITION MODE ---> A "Release Candidate" version (WSJT-X v1.9.0-rc1)
of the WSJT-X digimode software is due to be released later this month. It
will introduce a new "FT8 DXpedition Mode", whose basic goal is to enable
DXpeditions to make FT8 QSOs at the highest possible rates. The DXpedition
station (the "Fox") will be able to transmit up to five signals
simultaneously, and contact multiple calling stations (the "hounds") at the
same time. The new mode will permit contacts to be completed with as little
as one Fox transmission per contact, and sustained rates of several hundred
QSOs/hour are expected to be possible. Making FT8 QSOs with KH1/KH7Z (this
summer's expedition to Baker Island) will require the DXpedition and
everyone trying to work them to use the new version of WSJT-X. A draft of
the "FT8 DXpedition Mode User Guide" can be found at

http://physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/k1jt/FT8_DXpedition_Mode.pdf.

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