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Re: Ragchewing

David, K9DWR
 

On Apr 11, 2018, at 10:22, Mike Flowers <mike.flowers@gmail.com> wrote:

Typos are a welcomed indication that I’m talking to another fallible human operator and not a macro … ;>)

How do you know there aren’t typos in the macros? :-)



David, K9DWR
#1604 LONP #255
david@graniteweb.com


video card

Randy True
 

Gonna add a new video card so I can use dual monitors.

Not interested in games, just a nice visible screen.

Any recommendations?



Randy W4RTT


Re: Ragchewing

Mike - W0TMW #2207
 

When I first got started in digital modes, macros were on punched paper tape.  :-D

Mike - W0TMW #2207


On 04/11/2018 10:22 AM, Mike Flowers wrote:

Typos are a welcomed indication that I’m talking to another fallible human operator and not a macro … ;>)

 

- 73 and good DX de Mike, K6MKF, Past President - NCDXC

 

From: 070Club@groups.io <070Club@groups.io> On Behalf Of Larry Rockne #404
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 11:29 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] Ragchewing

 

 

When I was in High School, (1967)  I not only took typing, it was 'required!

 

I had to take it for 1 quarter, however, I could not type without looking at

the typewriter. Still can't.

 

I use and like my macros, but enjoy a good ragchew, and make a lot of

mistakes like I did in high school. 

 

Larry WA7HDZ

#404

 



Re: Ragchewing

Jerry N9AVY
 

Like that !
 
jerry n9avy



From: Mike Flowers <mike.flowers@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 10:22 AM
Subject: Re: [070Club] Ragchewing

Typos are a welcomed indication that I’m talking to another fallible human operator and not a macro … ;>)
 
- 73 and good DX de Mike, K6MKF, Past President - NCDXC
 
From: 070Club@groups.io <070Club@groups.io> On Behalf Of Larry Rockne #404
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 11:29 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] Ragchewing
 
 
When I was in High School, (1967)  I not only took typing, it was 'required!
 
I had to take it for 1 quarter, however, I could not type without looking at
the typewriter. Still can't.
 
I use and like my macros, but enjoy a good ragchew, and make a lot of
mistakes like I did in high school. 
 
Larry WA7HDZ
#404
 



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Re: Ragchewing

Mike Flowers
 

Typos are a welcomed indication that I’m talking to another fallible human operator and not a macro … ;>)

 

- 73 and good DX de Mike, K6MKF, Past President - NCDXC

 

From: 070Club@groups.io <070Club@groups.io> On Behalf Of Larry Rockne #404
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 11:29 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] Ragchewing

 

 

When I was in High School, (1967)  I not only took typing, it was 'required!

 

I had to take it for 1 quarter, however, I could not type without looking at

the typewriter. Still can't.

 

I use and like my macros, but enjoy a good ragchew, and make a lot of

mistakes like I did in high school. 

 

Larry WA7HDZ

#404

 


Re: Ragchewing

Larry Rockne #404
 


When I was in High School, (1967)  I not only took typing, it was 'required!

I had to take it for 1 quarter, however, I could not type without looking at
the typewriter. Still can't.

I use and like my macros, but enjoy a good ragchew, and make a lot of
mistakes like I did in high school. 

Larry WA7HDZ
#404


Re: Ragchewing

Dan Morris - KZ3T
 

Yeah, well, I never took typing in school.  Just learned it when I went in the Navy back in 64!! 

Dan Morris







On Apr 10, 2018, at 6:31 PM, Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...> wrote:

Dan:
 
That's pretty much the way I do it as well...   my train of thought gets confused when I'm trying to follow a conversation and type.  I usually can edit macros on the fly although sometimes I mess that up. 
 
Then there is the old telegraphic version of "um , "er" etc   which was didahdidahdidah which I substitute with  ...  ...    ...  to fill in gaps to let the other station know I'm still there.
 
 
In answer to MLP's comment,  those guy who took typing back in '63  were  what  would now be called geeks & nerds and other names.   I was in a high school class of 865 or so.
 
 
Jerry  n9avy
 





From: Dan Morris <dbmorris315@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 5:15 PM
Subject: Re: [070Club] Ragchewing

Jerry — Well, not bragging but I do type fairly well, however, PSK can be a daunting task to keep up sometimes.  So, what I do when I’m rag chewing (and this makes me look real good!) is when the other person is talking I start my ‘Start QSO’ Macro and then I start typing acknowledging what the other person is talking about and then answering any questions that person may have.  So, when he/she turns it over to me I start my QSO and then finish typing, usually way before it catches up to me.

Then there have been times when I just linger and not pay attention to what I’m doing and actually have to try and keep up while typing on the fly.   It is a lot of fun but challenging to say the least.  I believe there are others out there that do the same thing.

Dan Morris  KZ3T  070-1065






On Apr 10, 2018, at 5:54 PM, Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...> wrote:

This is what we need more of now.  People to abandon their macros and have real conversations...not just rack up a lots of QSOs.  I'll be the first  to admit that many contacts are done with macros, but if the other station wants to hang around and chat, I will abandon macros and go to keyboard.  I don't type well, never did... when I went to school only girls took typing and the few guys who did were "suspect".   With advancing years and the type of work I've done for a few decades, my fingers get stiff and I start making typos. However, I do find a lot of interesting people to chat with.
 
I think more people should ragchew and get to know each other instead of usual macro stuff ... which there is also a place for.  I can understand the new guys being uncertain about their skills and with the lousy propagation of late contacts need to be kept short at times, but  we need to keep out little slice of PSK spectrum as busy as we can.
Jerry  n9avy





Re: Comments from Northern Illinois Amateur Radio FB Page

F.R. Ashley
 

LIke I mentioned before, 200,000 new techs on FT8... whoooooweeeeee....gonnaa be fun.


Buddy WB4M

1545


On 4/10/2018 06:16 PM, Brian (N2MLP) wrote:

"I was really excited about the ARRL Grid Chase. I thought this would be a great HF Mobile activity since there are some unpopulated grids in West Texas. Then I learned about this automated FT8 nonsense and I quickly lost interest."

Why not use a different mode??

Automated?? all digital modes are ??

 

"To me, that's right up there with remote operation of other stations. No personal skill involved at all.

Guessing he saying I can’t figure it out so everyone who can is dumb

 

"  I've tried FT8 and have even snagged a few new countries, but I lose interest quickly. If I unmute the receiver I can't even tell which is the station I'm working  I've tried FT8 and have even snagged a few new countries, but I lose interest quickly. If I unmute the receiver I can't even tell which is the station I'm working"

 

Sound like a lot of double talk

Also on what digital mode can he tell

 

 

========================

         de N2MLP Brian

       Monroe County PA

 

 

========================

 

 

From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Jerry N9AVY
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 10:49 AM
To: 070Club
Subject: [070Club] Comments from Northern Illinois Amateur Radio FB Page

 


These are from some well-respected hams in my area. Let's all hope they're right and this will die out at the end of the year and that ARRL doesn't start anything else to screw up bands

 

Jerry  n9avy

 

 

"I was really excited about the ARRL Grid Chase. I thought this would be a great HF Mobile activity since there are some unpopulated grids in West Texas. Then I learned about this automated FT8 nonsense and I quickly lost interest."

 

"To me, that's right up there with remote operation of other stations. No personal skill involved at all.

 

"  I've tried FT8 and have even snagged a few new countries, but I lose interest quickly. If I unmute the receiver I can't even tell which is the station I'm working  I've tried FT8 and have even snagged a few new countries, but I lose interest quickly. If I unmute the receiver I can't even tell which is the station I'm working"



Re: Ragchewing

Irv [K3IRV] McWherter
 

I am like Jerry, I use macros but do enjoy the keyboard ragchew.  One of my favorites was with W1HKJ - David, the developer of FLdigi.  There are some very interesting people out there!

73, Irv - K3IRV 2600

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 8:54 PM, Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...> wrote:
There was a guy in high school who carried all that plus he had one of hose 1940 style brief cases ... everyone called him, "Hank the Hammer", but I had no idea why.
 
 



From: Rick - N7WE <n7we1980@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 6:58 PM
Subject: Re: [070Club] Ragchewing

Well now, I took typing in high school.  But I wasn't a nerd.  Even though some of the kids called me that.  Maybe it was that leather bound copy of Smoley's Parallel Tables of Logarithms and Squares that my civil engineer brother-in-law gave me and taught me how to use.  I don't think it was my K&E slip stick.  The nerds had circular slide rules!  I did have a plastic pocket protector for my Koh-I-Noor ink pens for my drafting class.  But I wasn't a nerd...not really.  That came later.  LOL at the memories!
--
Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602




Re: Ragchewing

Jerry N9AVY
 

There was a guy in high school who carried all that plus he had one of hose 1940 style brief cases ... everyone called him, "Hank the Hammer", but I had no idea why.
 
 



From: Rick - N7WE <n7we1980@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 6:58 PM
Subject: Re: [070Club] Ragchewing

Well now, I took typing in high school.  But I wasn't a nerd.  Even though some of the kids called me that.  Maybe it was that leather bound copy of Smoley's Parallel Tables of Logarithms and Squares that my civil engineer brother-in-law gave me and taught me how to use.  I don't think it was my K&E slip stick.  The nerds had circular slide rules!  I did have a plastic pocket protector for my Koh-I-Noor ink pens for my drafting class.  But I wasn't a nerd...not really.  That came later.  LOL at the memories!
--
Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602



Re: Ragchewing

Doc
 

  <G>    de W8KQ

On 4/10/2018 7:58 PM, Rick - N7WE wrote:
Well now, I took typing in high school.  But I wasn't a nerd.  Even though some of the kids called me that.  Maybe it was that leather bound copy of Smoley's Parallel Tables of Logarithms and Squares that my civil engineer brother-in-law gave me and taught me how to use.  I don't think it was my K&E slip stick.  The nerds had circular slide rules!  I did have a plastic pocket protector for my Koh-I-Noor ink pens for my drafting class.  But I wasn't a nerd...not really.  That came later.  LOL at the memories!
--
Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602




Re: Ragchewing

Rick - N7WE
 

Well now, I took typing in high school.  But I wasn't a nerd.  Even though some of the kids called me that.  Maybe it was that leather bound copy of Smoley's Parallel Tables of Logarithms and Squares that my civil engineer brother-in-law gave me and taught me how to use.  I don't think it was my K&E slip stick.  The nerds had circular slide rules!  I did have a plastic pocket protector for my Koh-I-Noor ink pens for my drafting class.  But I wasn't a nerd...not really.  That came later.  LOL at the memories!
--
Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602


Re: Ragchewing

Mike Flowers
 

There’s nothing wrong with some idle tone while you’re typing a word or phrase in a rag-chew.    There are pauses in speech, so a pause while typing is OK, too. 

I’ll sit and rag-chew on PSK31 if given the chance.   I toss out an open-ended question or two - “How are things out in Cleveland?” - etc. 

9 our of 10 times the other op sends me a macro about his station, then at the next turn-over sends me 73, and no amount of coaxing will get any response other than one contained in a macro. 

Sort of like an FT8 QSO, only takes longer. 

On PSK31 it takes two rag-chewers to rag-chew!

-- Mike Flowers, K6MKF, NCDXC - "It's about DX!"

On Apr 10, 2018, at 3:15 PM, Dan Morris <dbmorris315@...> wrote:

Jerry — Well, not bragging but I do type fairly well, however, PSK can be a daunting task to keep up sometimes.  So, what I do when I’m rag chewing (and this makes me look real good!) is when the other person is talking I start my ‘Start QSO’ Macro and then I start typing acknowledging what the other person is talking about and then answering any questions that person may have.  So, when he/she turns it over to me I start my QSO and then finish typing, usually way before it catches up to me.

Then there have been times when I just linger and not pay attention to what I’m doing and actually have to try and keep up while typing on the fly.   It is a lot of fun but challenging to say the least.  I believe there are others out there that do the same thing.

Dan Morris  KZ3T  070-1065






On Apr 10, 2018, at 5:54 PM, Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...> wrote:

This is what we need more of now.  People to abandon their macros and have real conversations...not just rack up a lots of QSOs.  I'll be the first  to admit that many contacts are done with macros, but if the other station wants to hang around and chat, I will abandon macros and go to keyboard.  I don't type well, never did... when I went to school only girls took typing and the few guys who did were "suspect".   With advancing years and the type of work I've done for a few decades, my fingers get stiff and I start making typos. However, I do find a lot of interesting people to chat with.
 
I think more people should ragchew and get to know each other instead of usual macro stuff ... which there is also a place for.  I can understand the new guys being uncertain about their skills and with the lousy propagation of late contacts need to be kept short at times, but  we need to keep out little slice of PSK spectrum as busy as we can.
Jerry  n9avy


Re: Ragchewing

Jerry N9AVY
 

Funniest accent was from a Puerto Rican lady who lived down South for many years .... Si y'all  !
 
 
Jerry n9avy



From: Steve R via Groups.Io <oldjavadrinker@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 5:36 PM
Subject: Re: [070Club] Ragchewing

That’s why I have Dragon Dictate. I’m a cheater hi! It works great though and plugs straight into sound card so doesn’t use an USB plug. 

The only problem I have is that it has a hard time between my Canadian and Southern blend of accents, 
Y’all Eh. 

Steve
2301


On Apr 10, 2018, at 17:54, Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...> wrote:

This is what we need more of now.  People to abandon their macros and have real conversations...not just rack up a lots of QSOs.  I'll be the first  to admit that many contacts are done with macros, but if the other station wants to hang around and chat, I will abandon macros and go to keyboard.  I don't type well, never did... when I went to school only girls took typing and the few guys who did were "suspect".   With advancing years and the type of work I've done for a few decades, my fingers get stiff and I start making typos. However, I do find a lot of interesting people to chat with.
 
I think more people should ragchew and get to know each other instead of usual macro stuff ... which there is also a place for.  I can understand the new guys being uncertain about their skills and with the lousy propagation of late contacts need to be kept short at times, but  we need to keep out little slice of PSK spectrum as busy as we can.
Jerry  n9avy



Re: Ragchewing

Steve VA3FLF/KM4FLF
 

That’s why I have Dragon Dictate. I’m a cheater hi! It works great though and plugs straight into sound card so doesn’t use an USB plug. 

The only problem I have is that it has a hard time between my Canadian and Southern blend of accents, 
Y’all Eh. 

Steve
2301


On Apr 10, 2018, at 17:54, Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...> wrote:

This is what we need more of now.  People to abandon their macros and have real conversations...not just rack up a lots of QSOs.  I'll be the first  to admit that many contacts are done with macros, but if the other station wants to hang around and chat, I will abandon macros and go to keyboard.  I don't type well, never did... when I went to school only girls took typing and the few guys who did were "suspect".   With advancing years and the type of work I've done for a few decades, my fingers get stiff and I start making typos. However, I do find a lot of interesting people to chat with.
 
I think more people should ragchew and get to know each other instead of usual macro stuff ... which there is also a place for.  I can understand the new guys being uncertain about their skills and with the lousy propagation of late contacts need to be kept short at times, but  we need to keep out little slice of PSK spectrum as busy as we can.
Jerry  n9avy


Re: Ragchewing

Jerry N9AVY
 

Dan:
 
That's pretty much the way I do it as well...   my train of thought gets confused when I'm trying to follow a conversation and type.  I usually can edit macros on the fly although sometimes I mess that up. 
 
Then there is the old telegraphic version of "um , "er" etc   which was didahdidahdidah which I substitute with  ...  ...    ...  to fill in gaps to let the other station know I'm still there.
 
 
In answer to MLP's comment,  those guy who took typing back in '63  were  what  would now be called geeks & nerds and other names.   I was in a high school class of 865 or so.
 
 
Jerry  n9avy
 





From: Dan Morris <dbmorris315@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 5:15 PM
Subject: Re: [070Club] Ragchewing

Jerry — Well, not bragging but I do type fairly well, however, PSK can be a daunting task to keep up sometimes.  So, what I do when I’m rag chewing (and this makes me look real good!) is when the other person is talking I start my ‘Start QSO’ Macro and then I start typing acknowledging what the other person is talking about and then answering any questions that person may have.  So, when he/she turns it over to me I start my QSO and then finish typing, usually way before it catches up to me.

Then there have been times when I just linger and not pay attention to what I’m doing and actually have to try and keep up while typing on the fly.   It is a lot of fun but challenging to say the least.  I believe there are others out there that do the same thing.

Dan Morris  KZ3T  070-1065






On Apr 10, 2018, at 5:54 PM, Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...> wrote:

This is what we need more of now.  People to abandon their macros and have real conversations...not just rack up a lots of QSOs.  I'll be the first  to admit that many contacts are done with macros, but if the other station wants to hang around and chat, I will abandon macros and go to keyboard.  I don't type well, never did... when I went to school only girls took typing and the few guys who did were "suspect".   With advancing years and the type of work I've done for a few decades, my fingers get stiff and I start making typos. However, I do find a lot of interesting people to chat with.
 
I think more people should ragchew and get to know each other instead of usual macro stuff ... which there is also a place for.  I can understand the new guys being uncertain about their skills and with the lousy propagation of late contacts need to be kept short at times, but  we need to keep out little slice of PSK spectrum as busy as we can.
Jerry  n9avy




Re: Comments from Northern Illinois Amateur Radio FB Page

Brian (N2MLP)
 

"I was really excited about the ARRL Grid Chase. I thought this would be a great HF Mobile activity since there are some unpopulated grids in West Texas. Then I learned about this automated FT8 nonsense and I quickly lost interest."

Why not use a different mode??

Automated?? all digital modes are ??

 

"To me, that's right up there with remote operation of other stations. No personal skill involved at all.

Guessing he saying I can’t figure it out so everyone who can is dumb

 

"  I've tried FT8 and have even snagged a few new countries, but I lose interest quickly. If I unmute the receiver I can't even tell which is the station I'm working  I've tried FT8 and have even snagged a few new countries, but I lose interest quickly. If I unmute the receiver I can't even tell which is the station I'm working"

 

Sound like a lot of double talk

Also on what digital mode can he tell

 

 

========================

         de N2MLP Brian

       Monroe County PA

 

 

========================

 

 

From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Jerry N9AVY
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 10:49 AM
To: 070Club
Subject: [070Club] Comments from Northern Illinois Amateur Radio FB Page

 


These are from some well-respected hams in my area. Let's all hope they're right and this will die out at the end of the year and that ARRL doesn't start anything else to screw up bands

 

Jerry  n9avy

 

 

"I was really excited about the ARRL Grid Chase. I thought this would be a great HF Mobile activity since there are some unpopulated grids in West Texas. Then I learned about this automated FT8 nonsense and I quickly lost interest."

 

"To me, that's right up there with remote operation of other stations. No personal skill involved at all.

 

"  I've tried FT8 and have even snagged a few new countries, but I lose interest quickly. If I unmute the receiver I can't even tell which is the station I'm working  I've tried FT8 and have even snagged a few new countries, but I lose interest quickly. If I unmute the receiver I can't even tell which is the station I'm working"


Re: Ragchewing

Dan Morris - KZ3T
 

Jerry — Well, not bragging but I do type fairly well, however, PSK can be a daunting task to keep up sometimes.  So, what I do when I’m rag chewing (and this makes me look real good!) is when the other person is talking I start my ‘Start QSO’ Macro and then I start typing acknowledging what the other person is talking about and then answering any questions that person may have.  So, when he/she turns it over to me I start my QSO and then finish typing, usually way before it catches up to me.

Then there have been times when I just linger and not pay attention to what I’m doing and actually have to try and keep up while typing on the fly.   It is a lot of fun but challenging to say the least.  I believe there are others out there that do the same thing.

Dan Morris  KZ3T  070-1065






On Apr 10, 2018, at 5:54 PM, Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...> wrote:

This is what we need more of now.  People to abandon their macros and have real conversations...not just rack up a lots of QSOs.  I'll be the first  to admit that many contacts are done with macros, but if the other station wants to hang around and chat, I will abandon macros and go to keyboard.  I don't type well, never did... when I went to school only girls took typing and the few guys who did were "suspect".   With advancing years and the type of work I've done for a few decades, my fingers get stiff and I start making typos. However, I do find a lot of interesting people to chat with.
 
I think more people should ragchew and get to know each other instead of usual macro stuff ... which there is also a place for.  I can understand the new guys being uncertain about their skills and with the lousy propagation of late contacts need to be kept short at times, but  we need to keep out little slice of PSK spectrum as busy as we can.
Jerry  n9avy


Re: Ragchewing

Geary McDowell
 

RRR on all that Jerry.
When is high school my dad was insistent that I take typing.  he was always a visionary anyway.  About six of the guys also took the class along with all the girls in our big class of 36, the largest class to graduate from that school.  The typing teacher said she could count my mistakes and tell me the WPM as they were always the same.  I did get much better, from the 20WPM to around 90WPM with still only about 20 mistakes.  Advancing from a manual typewriter to a computer keyboard helped a lot.  Having retired a few years ago my focus has lessened and my speed is only about 50WPM.  The problem is the correct finger goes, but on the wrong hand! 

I like macros and am often changing or tweaking them as I see what others use.  But I like to have a good ol' ragchew between the beginning and ending macros.  When I find someone on PSK to start with, which is way too seldom, about 5 times a week is all, I try to enjoy.  I have been hooked by the FT8 bug after having a system that was not worth a flip for over nine years and could get no help locally.  I am averaging about 1200+ FT8 contacts a month, but would rather have a hundred or so PSK to that any day.  I really enjoy making a contact with you old guys and having a great and often a long conversation on PSK31.  I can type that speed and make sense.  I cannot keep up on the faster modes in my advancing years.  HI HI

I check PSK daily and sometimes a few times a day.  Always hoping to catch someone there, but way often all I get is seasick.  HI HI

73, Geary KE5IRK

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 4:54 PM, Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...> wrote:
This is what we need more of now.  People to abandon their macros and have real conversations...not just rack up a lots of QSOs.  I'll be the first  to admit that many contacts are done with macros, but if the other station wants to hang around and chat, I will abandon macros and go to keyboard.  I don't type well, never did... when I went to school only girls took typing and the few guys who did were "suspect".   With advancing years and the type of work I've done for a few decades, my fingers get stiff and I start making typos. However, I do find a lot of interesting people to chat with.
 
I think more people should ragchew and get to know each other instead of usual macro stuff ... which there is also a place for.  I can understand the new guys being uncertain about their skills and with the lousy propagation of late contacts need to be kept short at times, but  we need to keep out little slice of PSK spectrum as busy as we can.
Jerry  n9avy




--
When all else fails, Amateur Radio works.


Re: Rag chewing

Brian (N2MLP)
 

What are you trying to say??

(When I went to school only girls took typing and the few guys who did were "suspect".  )

 

========================

         de N2MLP Brian

       Monroe County PA

 

 

========================

 

 

From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Jerry N9AVY
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 5:54 PM
To: 070Club
Subject: [070Club] Ragchewing

 

This is what we need more of now.  People to abandon their macros and have real conversations...not just rack up a lots of QSOs.  I'll be the first  to admit that many contacts are done with macros, but if the other station wants to hang around and chat, I will abandon macros and go to keyboard.  I don't type well, never did... when I went to school only girls took typing and the few guys who did were "suspect".   With advancing years and the type of work I've done for a few decades, my fingers get stiff and I start making typos. However, I do find a lot of interesting people to chat with.

 

I think more people should ragchew and get to know each other instead of usual macro stuff ... which there is also a place for.  I can understand the new guys being uncertain about their skills and with the lousy propagation of late contacts need to be kept short at times, but  we need to keep out little slice of PSK spectrum as busy as we can.

Jerry  n9avy

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