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Re: Ragchewing

Jerry N9AVY
 

That's it !  You must have had a lot of green key experience .
 
Jerry



From: Jim K5SP <jinnis@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 2:29 PM
Subject: Re: [070Club] Ragchewing

The RY was a reversal. The combo of those two letters used all 5 bits of intelligence in the 7 bit baudot code. 
There was a Start space, 5 bits, and a Stop Mark. If memory serves correct,  the R used bits 1 3 5, the S used 2 4. The combination tested the clutches and the print head mechanism.

JIM K5SP 


Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S®6 active, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...>
Date: 4/11/18 1:45 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] Ragchewing

Back in the day I had a model 19 on a big roll about cart along with a model 15 and I think a 14 printing reperf.  I had rolls of paper all over the floor and tons of reperf tape.  Also had lots of chad and hanging chad all over the place.  Oh, and the smell of burning oil & grease was like perfume !   Looking back though I think I could do without the clatter & the rattle of those old machines. 
 
One of the tings I really enjoyed was the "typewriter art"  which was pictures of everything from a fire breathing moose to pinup girls.  Think that all pretty much gone the days.
 
Yes, that is where the term "brag tape"  came from. Also, when you see someone sending "RYRYRYRY" in a test message that was a test of the old mechanical machines which tested all the mechanics involved in the printing process.  Sometimes, those old TTY machines were difficult to keep running... once had to replace a broken print shaft which was about a foot long, a very lengthy process considering how much one had to disassemble to get at it.
 
Yes, those were the days !   All you computer geniuses should be grateful those days are long gone and all you have to deal with a crashes and occasional glitches  ! 
 
Sometimes it's good to take a look back to see how far we've come.
 
 
Jerry   N9AVY



From: F.R. Ashley <gdadx2@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 12:33 PM
Subject: Re: [070Club] Ragchewing

Yes... hence the term "brag tape" when it really was a tape and not a
macro text file.

73 Buddy WB4M

1545


On 4/11/2018 11:35 AM, Mike W0TMW wrote:
>
> When I first got started in digital modes, macros were on punched
> paper tape. :-D
>
> Mike - W0TMW #2207
>







--
Jim,  K5SP #483
Member Services Director



Re: Ragchewing

Jim K5SP
 

The RY was a reversal. The combo of those two letters used all 5 bits of intelligence in the 7 bit baudot code. 
There was a Start space, 5 bits, and a Stop Mark. If memory serves correct,  the R used bits 1 3 5, the S used 2 4. The combination tested the clutches and the print head mechanism.

JIM K5SP 


Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S®6 active, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...>
Date: 4/11/18 1:45 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] Ragchewing

Back in the day I had a model 19 on a big roll about cart along with a model 15 and I think a 14 printing reperf.  I had rolls of paper all over the floor and tons of reperf tape.  Also had lots of chad and hanging chad all over the place.  Oh, and the smell of burning oil & grease was like perfume !   Looking back though I think I could do without the clatter & the rattle of those old machines. 
 
One of the tings I really enjoyed was the "typewriter art"  which was pictures of everything from a fire breathing moose to pinup girls.  Think that all pretty much gone the days.
 
Yes, that is where the term "brag tape"  came from. Also, when you see someone sending "RYRYRYRY" in a test message that was a test of the old mechanical machines which tested all the mechanics involved in the printing process.  Sometimes, those old TTY machines were difficult to keep running... once had to replace a broken print shaft which was about a foot long, a very lengthy process considering how much one had to disassemble to get at it.
 
Yes, those were the days !   All you computer geniuses should be grateful those days are long gone and all you have to deal with a crashes and occasional glitches  ! 
 
Sometimes it's good to take a look back to see how far we've come.
 
 
Jerry   N9AVY



From: F.R. Ashley <gdadx2@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 12:33 PM
Subject: Re: [070Club] Ragchewing

Yes... hence the term "brag tape" when it really was a tape and not a
macro text file.

73 Buddy WB4M

1545


On 4/11/2018 11:35 AM, Mike W0TMW wrote:
>
> When I first got started in digital modes, macros were on punched
> paper tape. :-D
>
> Mike - W0TMW #2207
>







--
Jim,  K5SP #483
Member Services Director


Re: Ragchewing

Jerry N9AVY
 

No, it was my cat....
 
 
Jerry  n9avy



From: Mike Flowers <mike.flowers@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: [070Club] Ragchewing

Well, unless he has an elaborate macro describing how his dog chewed up his coax, etc. - I don't ... ;>)

- 73 and good DX de Mike, K6MKF, Past President - NCDXC

> -----Original Message-----
> From: 070Club@groups.io <070Club@groups.io> On Behalf Of David Rock
> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 10:01 AM
> To: 070Club@groups.io
> Subject: Re: [070Club] Ragchewing
>
>
> > On Apr 11, 2018, at 10:22, Mike Flowers <mike.flowers@...> wrote:
> >
> > Typos are a welcomed indication that I’m talking to another fallible
> > human operator and not a macro … ;>)
>
>
> How do you know there aren’t typos in the macros? :-)
>
>
> —
> David, K9DWR
> #1604 LONP #255
> david@...
>
>
>







Re: Ragchewing

Mike Flowers
 

Well, unless he has an elaborate macro describing how his dog chewed up his coax, etc. - I don't ... ;>)

- 73 and good DX de Mike, K6MKF, Past President - NCDXC

-----Original Message-----
From: 070Club@groups.io <070Club@groups.io> On Behalf Of David Rock
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 10:01 AM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] Ragchewing


On Apr 11, 2018, at 10:22, Mike Flowers <mike.flowers@gmail.com> wrote:

Typos are a welcomed indication that I’m talking to another fallible
human operator and not a macro … ;>)

How do you know there aren’t typos in the macros? :-)



David, K9DWR
#1604 LONP #255
david@graniteweb.com



Re: Ragchewing

Jerry N9AVY
 

Back in the day I had a model 19 on a big roll about cart along with a model 15 and I think a 14 printing reperf.  I had rolls of paper all over the floor and tons of reperf tape.  Also had lots of chad and hanging chad all over the place.  Oh, and the smell of burning oil & grease was like perfume !   Looking back though I think I could do without the clatter & the rattle of those old machines. 
 
One of the tings I really enjoyed was the "typewriter art"  which was pictures of everything from a fire breathing moose to pinup girls.  Think that all pretty much gone the days.
 
Yes, that is where the term "brag tape"  came from. Also, when you see someone sending "RYRYRYRY" in a test message that was a test of the old mechanical machines which tested all the mechanics involved in the printing process.  Sometimes, those old TTY machines were difficult to keep running... once had to replace a broken print shaft which was about a foot long, a very lengthy process considering how much one had to disassemble to get at it.
 
Yes, those were the days !   All you computer geniuses should be grateful those days are long gone and all you have to deal with a crashes and occasional glitches  ! 
 
Sometimes it's good to take a look back to see how far we've come.
 
 
Jerry   N9AVY



From: F.R. Ashley <gdadx2@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 12:33 PM
Subject: Re: [070Club] Ragchewing

Yes... hence the term "brag tape" when it really was a tape and not a
macro text file.

73 Buddy WB4M

1545


On 4/11/2018 11:35 AM, Mike W0TMW wrote:
>
> When I first got started in digital modes, macros were on punched
> paper tape. :-D
>
> Mike - W0TMW #2207
>







Re: video card

Dave Corio
 

I'm running Win 10 with an old Nvidia GeForce 9500 graphics card. Win 10 supports the use of dual monitors from that single card. I'm feeding a 24" LED monitor I use for the "main", and a 20" LED monitor as the "secondary". I use DXLabs suite, with WinWarbler, Commander, and DXView on one monitor and DXKeeper and SpotCollector on the other. Both monitors run at high resolution (1680 X 1050 and 1920 X 1080). The "main" 24" has the Windows Desktop, while the "secondary" has nothing on it except those apps I use there.

This was a very cheap alternative, since I don't use the built-in system graphics card and didn't have to invest in two separate cards.

73 es GL
Dave - KB3MOW


Re: video card

Jay
 

A USB based external video card.

I have several of them, the work fine.

- Jay N1RWY


Re: Ragchewing

F.R. Ashley
 

Yes... hence the term "brag tape" when it really was a tape and not a macro text file.

73 Buddy WB4M

1545

On 4/11/2018 11:35 AM, Mike W0TMW wrote:

When I first got started in digital modes, macros were on punched paper tape. :-D

Mike - W0TMW #2207


Re: video card

Ray Clements
 

Randy
In order to make an intelligent recommendation, it is necessary to know the resolution of the monitors you plan to use. If you plan to run two 4K monitors, you need a far more powerful card than two full HD monitors. Another thing you might consider is getting a double wide monitor that is a single monitor that is like two full HD monitors side by side. You can run it as a super wide screen or as a split screen.


Ray N9RWC


-------- Original Message --------
From: Randy True
Sent: Wed, Apr 11, 2018 12:02 PM
To: 070Club <070Club@groups.io>
CC:
Subject: [070Club] video card

Gonna add a new video card so I can use dual monitors.

Not interested in games, just a nice visible screen.

Any recommendations?



Randy W4RTT


Re: Ragchewing

John Hendry KG5OIB
 

I had a great ragchew last night with one of our members in California.   The signal between Texas and and CA was very strong, so we got to visit for a while.   

Sure, I'm gonna use the macros to establish contact, but I will often add in extra stuff to get a convo going.    and my other contact last night was in Venezuela, and it seemed he was just looking for QSOs to log... which was fine with me, as I got a new country to my list. 

Oh, and I took that typing class in 7th grade!  One of my friends and I thought it was a great way to meet girls, and we were indeed the only two boys in the class.   We didn't get any dates out of the class, but sure got a skill that I use today.  

John
KG5OIB


Re: Ragchewing

Jerry N9AVY
 

Model 14 reperf ?



From: Mike W0TMW <mikew@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 10:36 AM
Subject: Re: [070Club] Ragchewing

When I first got started in digital modes, macros were on punched paper tape.  :-D
Mike - W0TMW #2207

On 04/11/2018 10:22 AM, Mike Flowers wrote:
Typos are a welcomed indication that I’m talking to another fallible human operator and not a macro … ;>)
 
- 73 and good DX de Mike, K6MKF, Past President - NCDXC
 
From: 070Club@groups.io <070Club@groups.io> On Behalf Of Larry Rockne #404
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 11:29 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] Ragchewing
 
 
When I was in High School, (1967)  I not only took typing, it was 'required!
 
I had to take it for 1 quarter, however, I could not type without looking at
the typewriter. Still can't.
 
I use and like my macros, but enjoy a good ragchew, and make a lot of
mistakes like I did in high school. 
 
Larry WA7HDZ
#404
 




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Re: Ragchewing

David, K9DWR
 

On Apr 11, 2018, at 10:22, Mike Flowers <mike.flowers@gmail.com> wrote:

Typos are a welcomed indication that I’m talking to another fallible human operator and not a macro … ;>)

How do you know there aren’t typos in the macros? :-)



David, K9DWR
#1604 LONP #255
david@graniteweb.com


video card

Randy True
 

Gonna add a new video card so I can use dual monitors.

Not interested in games, just a nice visible screen.

Any recommendations?



Randy W4RTT


Re: Ragchewing

Mike - W0TMW #2207
 

When I first got started in digital modes, macros were on punched paper tape.  :-D

Mike - W0TMW #2207


On 04/11/2018 10:22 AM, Mike Flowers wrote:

Typos are a welcomed indication that I’m talking to another fallible human operator and not a macro … ;>)

 

- 73 and good DX de Mike, K6MKF, Past President - NCDXC

 

From: 070Club@groups.io <070Club@groups.io> On Behalf Of Larry Rockne #404
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 11:29 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] Ragchewing

 

 

When I was in High School, (1967)  I not only took typing, it was 'required!

 

I had to take it for 1 quarter, however, I could not type without looking at

the typewriter. Still can't.

 

I use and like my macros, but enjoy a good ragchew, and make a lot of

mistakes like I did in high school. 

 

Larry WA7HDZ

#404

 



Re: Ragchewing

Jerry N9AVY
 

Like that !
 
jerry n9avy



From: Mike Flowers <mike.flowers@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 10:22 AM
Subject: Re: [070Club] Ragchewing

Typos are a welcomed indication that I’m talking to another fallible human operator and not a macro … ;>)
 
- 73 and good DX de Mike, K6MKF, Past President - NCDXC
 
From: 070Club@groups.io <070Club@groups.io> On Behalf Of Larry Rockne #404
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 11:29 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] Ragchewing
 
 
When I was in High School, (1967)  I not only took typing, it was 'required!
 
I had to take it for 1 quarter, however, I could not type without looking at
the typewriter. Still can't.
 
I use and like my macros, but enjoy a good ragchew, and make a lot of
mistakes like I did in high school. 
 
Larry WA7HDZ
#404
 



Virus-free. www.avg.com


Re: Ragchewing

Mike Flowers
 

Typos are a welcomed indication that I’m talking to another fallible human operator and not a macro … ;>)

 

- 73 and good DX de Mike, K6MKF, Past President - NCDXC

 

From: 070Club@groups.io <070Club@groups.io> On Behalf Of Larry Rockne #404
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 11:29 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] Ragchewing

 

 

When I was in High School, (1967)  I not only took typing, it was 'required!

 

I had to take it for 1 quarter, however, I could not type without looking at

the typewriter. Still can't.

 

I use and like my macros, but enjoy a good ragchew, and make a lot of

mistakes like I did in high school. 

 

Larry WA7HDZ

#404

 


Re: Ragchewing

Larry Rockne #404
 


When I was in High School, (1967)  I not only took typing, it was 'required!

I had to take it for 1 quarter, however, I could not type without looking at
the typewriter. Still can't.

I use and like my macros, but enjoy a good ragchew, and make a lot of
mistakes like I did in high school. 

Larry WA7HDZ
#404


Re: Ragchewing

Dan Morris - KZ3T
 

Yeah, well, I never took typing in school.  Just learned it when I went in the Navy back in 64!! 

Dan Morris







On Apr 10, 2018, at 6:31 PM, Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...> wrote:

Dan:
 
That's pretty much the way I do it as well...   my train of thought gets confused when I'm trying to follow a conversation and type.  I usually can edit macros on the fly although sometimes I mess that up. 
 
Then there is the old telegraphic version of "um , "er" etc   which was didahdidahdidah which I substitute with  ...  ...    ...  to fill in gaps to let the other station know I'm still there.
 
 
In answer to MLP's comment,  those guy who took typing back in '63  were  what  would now be called geeks & nerds and other names.   I was in a high school class of 865 or so.
 
 
Jerry  n9avy
 





From: Dan Morris <dbmorris315@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 5:15 PM
Subject: Re: [070Club] Ragchewing

Jerry — Well, not bragging but I do type fairly well, however, PSK can be a daunting task to keep up sometimes.  So, what I do when I’m rag chewing (and this makes me look real good!) is when the other person is talking I start my ‘Start QSO’ Macro and then I start typing acknowledging what the other person is talking about and then answering any questions that person may have.  So, when he/she turns it over to me I start my QSO and then finish typing, usually way before it catches up to me.

Then there have been times when I just linger and not pay attention to what I’m doing and actually have to try and keep up while typing on the fly.   It is a lot of fun but challenging to say the least.  I believe there are others out there that do the same thing.

Dan Morris  KZ3T  070-1065






On Apr 10, 2018, at 5:54 PM, Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...> wrote:

This is what we need more of now.  People to abandon their macros and have real conversations...not just rack up a lots of QSOs.  I'll be the first  to admit that many contacts are done with macros, but if the other station wants to hang around and chat, I will abandon macros and go to keyboard.  I don't type well, never did... when I went to school only girls took typing and the few guys who did were "suspect".   With advancing years and the type of work I've done for a few decades, my fingers get stiff and I start making typos. However, I do find a lot of interesting people to chat with.
 
I think more people should ragchew and get to know each other instead of usual macro stuff ... which there is also a place for.  I can understand the new guys being uncertain about their skills and with the lousy propagation of late contacts need to be kept short at times, but  we need to keep out little slice of PSK spectrum as busy as we can.
Jerry  n9avy





Re: Comments from Northern Illinois Amateur Radio FB Page

F.R. Ashley
 

LIke I mentioned before, 200,000 new techs on FT8... whoooooweeeeee....gonnaa be fun.


Buddy WB4M

1545


On 4/10/2018 06:16 PM, Brian (N2MLP) wrote:

"I was really excited about the ARRL Grid Chase. I thought this would be a great HF Mobile activity since there are some unpopulated grids in West Texas. Then I learned about this automated FT8 nonsense and I quickly lost interest."

Why not use a different mode??

Automated?? all digital modes are ??

 

"To me, that's right up there with remote operation of other stations. No personal skill involved at all.

Guessing he saying I can’t figure it out so everyone who can is dumb

 

"  I've tried FT8 and have even snagged a few new countries, but I lose interest quickly. If I unmute the receiver I can't even tell which is the station I'm working  I've tried FT8 and have even snagged a few new countries, but I lose interest quickly. If I unmute the receiver I can't even tell which is the station I'm working"

 

Sound like a lot of double talk

Also on what digital mode can he tell

 

 

========================

         de N2MLP Brian

       Monroe County PA

 

 

========================

 

 

From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Jerry N9AVY
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 10:49 AM
To: 070Club
Subject: [070Club] Comments from Northern Illinois Amateur Radio FB Page

 


These are from some well-respected hams in my area. Let's all hope they're right and this will die out at the end of the year and that ARRL doesn't start anything else to screw up bands

 

Jerry  n9avy

 

 

"I was really excited about the ARRL Grid Chase. I thought this would be a great HF Mobile activity since there are some unpopulated grids in West Texas. Then I learned about this automated FT8 nonsense and I quickly lost interest."

 

"To me, that's right up there with remote operation of other stations. No personal skill involved at all.

 

"  I've tried FT8 and have even snagged a few new countries, but I lose interest quickly. If I unmute the receiver I can't even tell which is the station I'm working  I've tried FT8 and have even snagged a few new countries, but I lose interest quickly. If I unmute the receiver I can't even tell which is the station I'm working"



Re: Ragchewing

Irv [K3IRV] McWherter
 

I am like Jerry, I use macros but do enjoy the keyboard ragchew.  One of my favorites was with W1HKJ - David, the developer of FLdigi.  There are some very interesting people out there!

73, Irv - K3IRV 2600

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 8:54 PM, Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...> wrote:
There was a guy in high school who carried all that plus he had one of hose 1940 style brief cases ... everyone called him, "Hank the Hammer", but I had no idea why.
 
 



From: Rick - N7WE <n7we1980@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 6:58 PM
Subject: Re: [070Club] Ragchewing

Well now, I took typing in high school.  But I wasn't a nerd.  Even though some of the kids called me that.  Maybe it was that leather bound copy of Smoley's Parallel Tables of Logarithms and Squares that my civil engineer brother-in-law gave me and taught me how to use.  I don't think it was my K&E slip stick.  The nerds had circular slide rules!  I did have a plastic pocket protector for my Koh-I-Noor ink pens for my drafting class.  But I wasn't a nerd...not really.  That came later.  LOL at the memories!
--
Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602



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