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Old story about HOA

Jerry N9AVY
 

Don't know if this was a rumor, but I liked the story - true or not.

Seems there was an HOA which had a  "no towers rule".    Turned out there was a cell tower nearby which they complained about.  Their complaints were acted upon and unsightly cell tower was removed.  The HOA's next complaint was they had no cell phone reception ....    

Jerry   n9avy


Re: QRT for a while

Ray Clements
 

Well at least in my HOA, the rules says that transmitting antennas have to be "screened from view from all streets". Thus,  garage door openers, key fobs, and other transmitting antennas that are hidden are not affected.  Of course, antennas are also allowed in your attic, bushes, etc.


------ Original Message ------
Received: 07:51 PM CDT, 07/07/2018
From: "Jerry N9AVY" <n9avy@...>
To: "070Club@groups.io" <070Club@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [070Club] QRT for a while


    

Ha   ha  hah 


From: Stephen Melachrinos <melachri@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Sent: Saturday, July 7, 2018 7:33 PM
Subject: Re: [070Club] QRT for a while 
It would be interesting to challenge the "no transmitting antennas", pointing out that just about everyone has a keyless entry for their car, a cordless telephone, a cell phone, other bluetooth devices (like Apple Earpods and ever their cars), computers/tablets/printers/routers with wifi, and a microwave oven, each of which has a transmitting antenna.

Steve
W3HF

-----Original Message-----
From: Ray Clements <r.clements@...>
To: 070Club <070Club@groups.io>; Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...>
Sent: Sat, Jul 7, 2018 10:10 pm
Subject: Re: [070Club] QRT for a while

I don't know about Paula's specific situation, but normally rather than banning ham radio antennas, the HOA will allow receiving antennas. That would include FM radio receiving antennas, satellite tv dishes. and TV antennas. However, they may regulate the diameter of a dish, or the height of the TV  or FM antenna above the roof line, or the type of mounting. My HOA prohibits chimney mounts. The HOA will then ban any and all transmitting antennas. That includes ham radio antennas, CB antennas, GMRS antennas, VHF public service antennas, etc. Thus, by banning all transmitting antennas, they are not discriminating against hams.

Ray N9RWC







Re: QRT for a while

Jerry N9AVY
 

    

Ha   ha  hah 


From: Stephen Melachrinos <melachri@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Sent: Saturday, July 7, 2018 7:33 PM
Subject: Re: [070Club] QRT for a while 
It would be interesting to challenge the "no transmitting antennas", pointing out that just about everyone has a keyless entry for their car, a cordless telephone, a cell phone, other bluetooth devices (like Apple Earpods and ever their cars), computers/tablets/printers/routers with wifi, and a microwave oven, each of which has a transmitting antenna.

Steve
W3HF

-----Original Message-----
From: Ray Clements <r.clements@...>
To: 070Club <070Club@groups.io>; Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...>
Sent: Sat, Jul 7, 2018 10:10 pm
Subject: Re: [070Club] QRT for a while

I don't know about Paula's specific situation, but normally rather than banning ham radio antennas, the HOA will allow receiving antennas. That would include FM radio receiving antennas, satellite tv dishes. and TV antennas. However, they may regulate the diameter of a dish, or the height of the TV  or FM antenna above the roof line, or the type of mounting. My HOA prohibits chimney mounts. The HOA will then ban any and all transmitting antennas. That includes ham radio antennas, CB antennas, GMRS antennas, VHF public service antennas, etc. Thus, by banning all transmitting antennas, they are not discriminating against hams.

Ray N9RWC





Re: QRT for a while

Stephen Melachrinos
 

It would be interesting to challenge the "no transmitting antennas", pointing out that just about everyone has a keyless entry for their car, a cordless telephone, a cell phone, other bluetooth devices (like Apple Earpods and ever their cars), computers/tablets/printers/routers with wifi, and a microwave oven, each of which has a transmitting antenna.

Steve
W3HF

-----Original Message-----
From: Ray Clements <r.clements@...>
To: 070Club <070Club@groups.io>; Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...>
Sent: Sat, Jul 7, 2018 10:10 pm
Subject: Re: [070Club] QRT for a while

I don't know about Paula's specific situation, but normally rather than banning ham radio antennas, the HOA will allow receiving antennas. That would include FM radio receiving antennas, satellite tv dishes. and TV antennas. However, they may regulate the diameter of a dish, or the height of the TV  or FM antenna above the roof line, or the type of mounting. My HOA prohibits chimney mounts. The HOA will then ban any and all transmitting antennas. That includes ham radio antennas, CB antennas, GMRS antennas, VHF public service antennas, etc. Thus, by banning all transmitting antennas, they are not discriminating against hams.

Ray N9RWC



Re: QRT for a while

VA7GEM -1470 <boat.anchor@...>
 

On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 07:01 am, Paula K7PAX #1739 wrote:

Well Guys and Gals, I am out of it for a while. Live has been a whirlwind of activity. I retired, we bought a house in the next town and we moved (kinda – we are still moving!)

 

Paula K7PAX #1739

 

Paula
We sure will miss you. Enjoy the new abode. Been watching 40M PSK for 4hrs and still hoping to see a trace.
Barry

 


Re: QRT for a while

Ray Clements
 

I don't know about Paula's specific situation, but normally rather than banning ham radio antennas, the HOA will allow receiving antennas. That would include FM radio receiving antennas, satellite tv dishes. and TV antennas. However, they may regulate the diameter of a dish, or the height of the TV  or FM antenna above the roof line, or the type of mounting. My HOA prohibits chimney mounts. The HOA will then ban any and all transmitting antennas. That includes ham radio antennas, CB antennas, GMRS antennas, VHF public service antennas, etc. Thus, by banning all transmitting antennas, they are not discriminating against hams.

Ray N9RWC




------ Original Message ------
Received: 04:55 PM CDT, 07/07/2018
From: "Jerry N9AVY" <n9avy@...>
To: "070Club@groups.io" <070Club@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [070Club] QRT for a while


If that HOA specifically singled out ham radio antenna, then you have a discrimination lawsuit .  They can't single out any single group.  It would be the same as saying no minority groups allowed.  At least that's the way I had it explained by a ham who is also a lawyer.  Not fond of HOA's as I live on the screaming edge of one and I can thumb my nose at them !

Jerry  n9avy 



From: Richard Rohrer <kc3ef@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Sent: Saturday, July 7, 2018 4:28 PM
Subject: Re: [070Club] QRT for a while

Hi Paula,

I know what you are going thru. Lived in a HOA community that specifically prohibited ham radio transmitting antennas.  I put a wire loop in the attic and fed it with my AH-4 auto antenna tuner.  Worked pretty well on 20 and up.  Also had a 2 mtr dipole for SSB and FM.  Added a 432 quad to work thru the local ATV repeater.  All seemed to go thru the roof shingles ok.  What surprised me, was that I had no RFI problems with anything in the house or never had any complaints from the neighbors.  

73
Dick - KC3EF





Re: QRT for a while

Jerry N9AVY
 

If that HOA specifically singled out ham radio antenna, then you have a discrimination lawsuit .  They can't single out any single group.  It would be the same as saying no minority groups allowed.  At least that's the way I had it explained by a ham who is also a lawyer.  Not fond of HOA's as I live on the screaming edge of one and I can thumb my nose at them !

Jerry  n9avy 



From: Richard Rohrer <kc3ef@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Sent: Saturday, July 7, 2018 4:28 PM
Subject: Re: [070Club] QRT for a while

Hi Paula,

I know what you are going thru. Lived in a HOA community that specifically prohibited ham radio transmitting antennas.  I put a wire loop in the attic and fed it with my AH-4 auto antenna tuner.  Worked pretty well on 20 and up.  Also had a 2 mtr dipole for SSB and FM.  Added a 432 quad to work thru the local ATV repeater.  All seemed to go thru the roof shingles ok.  What surprised me, was that I had no RFI problems with anything in the house or never had any complaints from the neighbors.  

73
Dick - KC3EF



Re: QRT for a while

Richard Rohrer
 

Hi Paula,

I know what you are going thru. Lived in a HOA community that specifically prohibited ham radio transmitting antennas.  I put a wire loop in the attic and fed it with my AH-4 auto antenna tuner.  Worked pretty well on 20 and up.  Also had a 2 mtr dipole for SSB and FM.  Added a 432 quad to work thru the local ATV repeater.  All seemed to go thru the roof shingles ok.  What surprised me, was that I had no RFI problems with anything in the house or never had any complaints from the neighbors.  

73
Dick - KC3EF


Re: Interesting Comment

JEFF WALSH
 

Remember there are always gonna be the complainers ......

Those are the ones that
 "Win the lottery and then complain about having to pay the taxes" 

The management team and volunteers have my vote of confidence.

Many thanks for all you do to make this a GREAT club. !!!!!!

JEFF WALSH
W3WMU
#1673
BUBBAWOOD
WORLDWIDE HEADQUARTERS
STURGIS, MS.


On Saturday, July 7, 2018 12:30 PM, Daryl_KI7GXV <darylhinz@...> wrote:


For the record I would like to say this club is awesome and it's the most significant factor in creating and sustaining my interest in PSK. I have absolutely no complaints with the club or its treasure trove of volunteers & members.  I just wish conditions & my station were better so I could actually work more PSK. Being a dad in a family with lots of other competing activities, ham radio often takes a back seat.  Perhaps in my retirement I will have more time to get to know you all better and play a more active role in the club. But for now and until then, many many thanks.



Re: Interesting Comment

Daryl
 

For the record I would like to say this club is awesome and it's the most significant factor in creating and sustaining my interest in PSK. I have absolutely no complaints with the club or its treasure trove of volunteers & members.  I just wish conditions & my station were better so I could actually work more PSK. Being a dad in a family with lots of other competing activities, ham radio often takes a back seat.  Perhaps in my retirement I will have more time to get to know you all better and play a more active role in the club. But for now and until then, many many thanks.


Re: Interesting Comment

Phil Royce
 

Just way too much to read but I have read about 10 comments,. I enjoy playing psk with you all, and my comment is there are a lot of keyboard jockies and not many doers, the leadership has always done well with me since I started on pod last year and I have no complaints.  Keep up the good work and ignore the lids and keyboard heros.  73


On Fri, Jul 6, 2018, 1:19 PM Richard Rohrer <kc3ef@...> wrote:
I found this comment posted on another group.  

"The new regime at the 070 Club lost sight of the 070 Club traditions several years ago. A lot of the OT’s quit or went SK. The ‘we know better’ newbies killed the premiere PSK club and it has not recovered. "

I did not know the 070 group was dead and who killed it?

73
Dick - KC3EF


Re: Interesting Comment

Randy True
 

Must have been a real ass kicker just before I joined a couple years ago.


Randy W4RTT




From: 070Club@groups.io <070Club@groups.io> on behalf of Richard Rohrer <kc3ef@...>
Sent: Friday, July 6, 2018 1:19 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: [070Club] Interesting Comment
 
I found this comment posted on another group.  

"The new regime at the 070 Club lost sight of the 070 Club traditions several years ago. A lot of the OT’s quit or went SK. The ‘we know better’ newbies killed the premiere PSK club and it has not recovered. "

I did not know the 070 group was dead and who killed it?

73
Dick - KC3EF


Re: QRT for a while

Ray Clements
 

HOA restrictions are a real bummer. The CC&Rs in my neighborhood state that antennas have to be "screened from view from all streets. I live on a busy corner and neighbors walk up and down the sidewalks all day long,  so complying with that restriction has not been easy.

I have some tall trees between my houses and the street. While they might work in the summer when the trees are in full leaf, once the leaves fall off, they would not obscure anything. 

Fortunately, I have a row of arborvitae along the back edge of my property. The tallest of those trees is slightly over 20 ft tall, so I located the antenna feed point at the top of the tree and have a 40 meter OCF wire strung out though the trees. Every year, the trees grow about a foot, so every year or two, I raise the antenna. Thus, it is effectively screened from view. It works reasonably well on 40, 20 and 10 meters. I also use it on 80, 30, 17, 15 and 12 meter bands with a  tuner, but it loses efficiency, especially on 80, 30 and 15.

I would love to have a Hexbeam like you had at your former QTH, but like you, that won't fly with the HOA.

I do serve as net control for the local RACES/ARES group. I have a 2 meter J-pole mounted to my back deck. Alt though it technically does not comply with the CC$Rs, it                             is well weathered and no one has complained.

Good luck figuring out how to keep all your new neighbors happy.

Ray N9RWC
 


------ Original Message ------
Received: 09:01 AM CDT, 07/07/2018
From: "Paula K7PAX #1739" <hamette@...>
To: <070Club@groups.io>, <070ClubContests@groups.io>
Subject: [070Club] QRT for a while


Well Guys and Gals, I am out of it for a while. Live has been a whirlwind of activity. I retired, we bought a house in the next town and we moved (kinda – we are still moving!)

 

Great new house, but we have CC&Rs to deal with. The good news is that the HOA has not yet been activated, and the neighbors are all in favor of having a ham in the neighborhood, and won’t mind a reasonable antenna. (I don’t think the Hexbeam and tower would qualify though . . .) I surmise the CC&R rules were simply pulled off a template somewhere without any thought about antenna restrictions. They don’t allow any antenna of any kind except a satellite dish 24” or under.

 

Here in  the PNW everyone is disaster aware with all the publicity about Cascadia Rising. There have been lots of earthquake preparedness exercises. My next door neighbors are involved in broadcasting at a local radio station, and understand the value of ham radio in an emergency. With the publicity and printed materials available on the internet about the Amateur Radio Parity Act, I am going to approach the developer of the subdivision about it. (I there are several “violations” of the CC&Rs evident in the neighborhood, so people are relaxed about following it, feeling that they will be grandfathered whenever the HOA is activated.)

 

In the meantime, I am QRT until I get something going – I’ll probably get my QSO king down off the tower and hang it out the window to get me on the air again - but you are not going to hear me booming in like before . . .   L

 

Anyway, a stealth antenna will be a new challenge, or I could shake things up and change the rules. I could become president of the HOA when it’s established, then push for a vote to change the antenna restrictions – MWOOOHAHAHA !!!

 

Paula K7PAX #1739

 

 

From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Rick - N7WE
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2018 19:49
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: [070Club] ARE YOU READY FOR MORE FIREWORKS?

 

The 070 Club 40m Firecracker Sprint Contest begins tomorrow!  The 24 hour window opens at 2000 UTC on Saturday July 7th and closes at 2000 UTC Sunday July 8th.  You choose your best 6 hour block when submitting your entry.  Open to all licensed amateurs.  4 categories – High, Medium, Low, and QRP power.  Full details can be found HERE.


Good luck to all and hope to see you on the waterfall!

Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602
PR Director




QRT for a while

Paula K7PAX #1739
 

Well Guys and Gals, I am out of it for a while. Live has been a whirlwind of activity. I retired, we bought a house in the next town and we moved (kinda – we are still moving!)

 

Great new house, but we have CC&Rs to deal with. The good news is that the HOA has not yet been activated, and the neighbors are all in favor of having a ham in the neighborhood, and won’t mind a reasonable antenna. (I don’t think the Hexbeam and tower would qualify though . . .) I surmise the CC&R rules were simply pulled off a template somewhere without any thought about antenna restrictions. They don’t allow any antenna of any kind except a satellite dish 24” or under.

 

Here in  the PNW everyone is disaster aware with all the publicity about Cascadia Rising. There have been lots of earthquake preparedness exercises. My next door neighbors are involved in broadcasting at a local radio station, and understand the value of ham radio in an emergency. With the publicity and printed materials available on the internet about the Amateur Radio Parity Act, I am going to approach the developer of the subdivision about it. (I there are several “violations” of the CC&Rs evident in the neighborhood, so people are relaxed about following it, feeling that they will be grandfathered whenever the HOA is activated.)

 

In the meantime, I am QRT until I get something going – I’ll probably get my QSO king down off the tower and hang it out the window to get me on the air again - but you are not going to hear me booming in like before . . .   L

 

Anyway, a stealth antenna will be a new challenge, or I could shake things up and change the rules. I could become president of the HOA when it’s established, then push for a vote to change the antenna restrictions – MWOOOHAHAHA !!!

 

Paula K7PAX #1739

 

 

From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Rick - N7WE
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2018 19:49
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: [070Club] ARE YOU READY FOR MORE FIREWORKS?

 

The 070 Club 40m Firecracker Sprint Contest begins tomorrow!  The 24 hour window opens at 2000 UTC on Saturday July 7th and closes at 2000 UTC Sunday July 8th.  You choose your best 6 hour block when submitting your entry.  Open to all licensed amateurs.  4 categories – High, Medium, Low, and QRP power.  Full details can be found HERE.


Good luck to all and hope to see you on the waterfall!

Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602
PR Director


Re: ARE YOU READY FOR MORE FIREWORKS?

Jim K5SP
 

And I will be on the first leg of vacation travel. Arrgghh!  No radio allowed by direction of she who must be obeyed.

Y'all have fun, next year will have to move vacation a few days to accommodate the important things, such as Firecracker sprint.

73
Jim K5SP


On 7/6/2018 2:48 PM, Rick - N7WE wrote:

The 070 Club 40m Firecracker Sprint Contest begins tomorrow!  The 24 hour window opens at 2000 UTC on Saturday July 7th and closes at 2000 UTC Sunday July 8th.  You choose your best 6 hour block when submitting your entry.  Open to all licensed amateurs.  4 categories – High, Medium, Low, and QRP power.  Full details can be found HERE.


Good luck to all and hope to see you on the waterfall!

Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602
PR Director


--
Jim,  K5SP #483
Member Services Director


Re: ARE YOU READY FOR MORE FIREWORKS?

Rick - N7WE
 

Bummer David.  If we were closer I'd loan you my backup rig.  But I couldn't get there with it in time if I left right now!  We'll miss you.
--
Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602


Re: ARE YOU READY FOR MORE FIREWORKS?

David M (AJ4TF)
 

Alas my radio is broke. It's back in Watsonville, CA getting looked at


Re: Interesting Comment

Matthew King - AK4MK <kk4cps@...>
 

Hiya, Marty! Thanks for being there!

Looks like it's time for you to submit your complete PSK-31 log to the endorsement checker. Your last submission was in 2015!  I bet you have a lot more contacts since then... go ahead and submit your log and see what all you qualify for!

Here's the link for ya - http://hamclubs.info/070-checker/


73

Matt King
AK4MK - 070 #1708
PODXS 070 Club Executive Director


On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 5:18 PM, MARTY W via Groups.Io <w9ov@...> wrote:
ROLLCALL:  Far from dead, W9OV proud to be #1847,



Re: Interesting Comment

MARTY W <w9ov@...>
 

ROLLCALL:  Far from dead, W9OV proud to be #1847,


Re: Interesting Comment

Ray Clements
 

There is an old adage that says "Don't confuse me with facts; my mind is made up."  Unfortunately, far to many people these days subscribe to that adage. 

Unfortunately, working PSK is tough with the current band conditions. The 070 staff have no control over that. All they can do is encourage people to get on the bands and see what happens. 

I do think that opening our contests to outsiders is a good thing; although I am certain there will be those who disagree. The more people we have on the air, the more contacts we will make and the more fun will be shared. 

There are plenty of challenges (with stickers to be had) for anyone  who is interested in PSK. 

Ray N9RWC




------ Original Message ------
Received: 02:47 PM CDT, 07/06/2018
From: "Jim K5SP" <jinnis@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] Interesting Comment


Would like to know the membership number of the commenters, and compare it to the membership numbers of the current board.  I know that mine is 483, and Jerry's is close to that.  Steve who has a hand in all activities and changes has a membership number of 25.  So, who are these "we know better newbies?"

I notice that no mention of the traditions were lost  is given, therefore what is the individual basing his opinion on?

As stated in an earlier reply, it is those that choose to do nothing that complain the loudest when those that choose to better the organization make changes. 

Dick, feel free to tell that person that he can at any time volunteer his services to assist the board, and his voice will be heard. 

Jim K5SP #483


On 7/6/2018 12:19 PM, Richard Rohrer wrote:
I found this comment posted on another group.  

"The new regime at the 070 Club lost sight of the 070 Club traditions several years ago. A lot of the OT’s quit or went SK. The ‘we know better’ newbies killed the premiere PSK club and it has not recovered. "

I did not know the 070 group was dead and who killed it?

73
Dick - KC3EF



--
Jim,  K5SP #483
Member Services Director

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