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Re: Strange Mode on 14070

W5DP
 

Thank you. I have Mixw software and I don't believe it can decode psk63. 

Thank you
Dusty
W5DP


Re: Thanks for the PSK Events

Rick - N7WE
 

Sorry to hear the tower is coming down Art!  But there always comes a time to paint your wagon and move along!  Texas and Oregon - either will be a change after AZ. 

In the meantime, don't give up on getting on the air.  It isn't a tower and beam, but you will be amazed what a hamstick, mag mount, battery, laptop, and the rig will do on PSK31 with only 50w or so.  Talk to Dick - KC3EF - the king of PSK31 mobile!  He has worked all over the US and Canada while mobile with just a hamstick.  (But with Kathy driving of course!)  During the 2016 Christmas Holiday I worked KY, ND, and PA for my 366 - portable from the parking lot at a hotel in Jacksonville, Florida.  You don't have to go mobile.  You can sit your driveway or the local A&W (there still are A&W's aren't there?) and have tons of fun!  

Hope to see you on the waterfall and work you in a lot less than a year!
--
Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602


Re: Strange Mode on 14070

Mike Flowers
 

This appears to be PSK63.   The trace has all the shape attributes of a PSK signal.   It’s apparently twice as wide as what I assume are PSK31 signals on the waterfall.

 

If the op was over-driving the signal or had something else going on that distorted his signal’s tones, your software may not have been able to decode it.

 

- 73 and good DX de Mike, K6MKF, Past President - NCDXC

 

From: 070Club@groups.io <070Club@groups.io> On Behalf Of W5DP
Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2019 7:27 AM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] Strange Mode on 14070

 



Sorry I couldn't rotate it. On my PC it is oriented correctly. 
Dusty
W5DP


Re: Thanks for the PSK Events

 

Art, you'll be missed. The Republic of Tejas is OK. Oregon is good too.
Depending on where you settle, both states, for the most part, have lenient antenna laws.
If your travels bring you through So. California, please call? I'll email you my contact info.
73, dx es health..
Milton,
N6MG
070-650
LONP #76


-----Original Message-----
From: KA5DWI Art via Groups.Io <ka5dwi@...>
To: 070Club <070Club@groups.io>
Sent: Wed, May 8, 2019 7:57 am
Subject: [070Club] Thanks for the PSK Events

Hi all,
My tower is coming down next Tuesday and I will be silent for a very long time.
I am planning to relocate (Texas or Oregon).
Thank you for keeping me a little active. I made 250 PSK Q's in 5 years, much less than I wanted to.
That's DXing I guess.
Hope to get back on next year.
73 Art KA5DWI #2518 in Arizona


Re: Strange Mode on 14070

David, K9DWR
 

Or see if you can do an audio capture of it. I know in fldigi you can do File->Audio->RX capture


I assume most (if not all) software can capture it in a similar manner.

—  
David, K9DWR
#1604 LONP #255
david@...

On May 8, 2019, at 10:25, Brian (N2MLP) <n2mlp@...> wrote:

If you see it again post it so we can all see it
 



Re: Strange Mode on 14070

Brian (N2MLP)
 

If you see it again post it so we can all see it

 

 

========================

         de N2MLP Brian

       Monroe County PA

 

 

========================

 

 

From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of W5DP
Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2019 11:19 AM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] Strange Mode on 14070

 

That mode didn't work for me in decoding this signal. 

Thanks
Dusty
W5DP

Note: its about twice is wide as a psk signal. 


Re: Strange Mode on 14070

W5DP
 

That mode didn't work for me in decoding this signal. 

Thanks
Dusty
W5DP

Note: its about twice is wide as a psk signal. 


Thanks for the PSK Events

K7DWI Art
 

Hi all,
My tower is coming down next Tuesday and I will be silent for a very long time.
I am planning to relocate (Texas or Oregon).
Thank you for keeping me a little active. I made 250 PSK Q's in 5 years, much less than I wanted to.
That's DXing I guess.
Hope to get back on next year.
73 Art KA5DWI #2518 in Arizona


Re: Strange Mode on 14070

Brian (N2MLP)
 

Qpsk31?

 

========================

         de N2MLP Brian

       Monroe County PA

 

 

========================

 

 

From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of W5DP
Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2019 10:27 AM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] Strange Mode on 14070

 



Sorry I couldn't rotate it. On my PC it is oriented correctly. 
Dusty
W5DP


Re: Strange Mode on 14070

W5DP
 



Sorry I couldn't rotate it. On my PC it is oriented correctly. 
Dusty
W5DP


Re: Strange Mode on 14070

W5DP
 

Good idea! I'll try to take a pic the next time I see one. 


Re: Strange Mode on 14070

Mike Besemer - WM4B #348 <mwbesemer@...>
 

Pics?

Mike
WM4B


On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 9:26 AM, W5DP wrote:

 Yesterday, in the middle of a QSO, this strong signal with a strange mode came right down on top of me, and made it impossible (almost) for me to complete the QSO. 

This morning, I'm see on the waterfall a signal that looks just like the one I saw yesterday. Anybody have a clue what this mode is? I tried all the modes my software has, and none of them worked.

Thank you
Dusty


Strange Mode on 14070

W5DP
 

Yesterday, in the middle of a QSO, this strong signal with a strange mode came right down on top of me, and made it impossible (almost) for me to complete the QSO. 

This morning, I'm see on the waterfall a signal that looks just like the one I saw yesterday. Anybody have a clue what this mode is? I tried all the modes my software has, and none of them worked.

Thank you
Dusty
W5DP 


Re: History lesson

Phil Royce
 

Good Afternoon,

 

I find this to be an excellent write up on the limitations or advantages of a digital mode during propagation changes, it is interesting to see the statistical data that is defining this write up.  I find that anymore using any mode is worthwhile as long as it’s a worthwhile contact. 

 

My only concern with the new modes of the FT version are the operating methods and etiquette used on these new modes.  Recently with the new FT4 there have been many transmissions made right over the top of a QSO going on, in a RTTY portion of the band, in a PSK portion of the band, or extreme over deviation.  On the FT-8 portion of 20 meters on Monday there was a blast of noise for over a 1 meg width on the beginning of a transmission of a FT-8 and this repeated ever transmission for a very long time.

 

So yes these new modes are great, but there also needs to be some serious discussion between all the digital groups about proper operation of transmitters, ALC, portions of the band, proper operating with other operators on the bands. I believe the first thing I was taught was listen to the frequency before I transmit, does that happen anymore?  HIHI  Otherwise we are going to have a real headache, if we don’t already have it, with not being able to operate due to interference or lack of discipline of operators. 

 

Overall I think the test of the FT4 was very interesting and successful, I heard stations in that mode in countries that I never hear normally, so I just hope that we all can get along with each other in our sections of the bands.   Now back to my PSK31 QSO.

 

73 de ke4pwe

 

From: 070Club@groups.io <070Club@groups.io> On Behalf Of Ray Clements
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2019 9:01 AM
To: 070Club@groups.io; William Schwiegeraht via Groups.Io <bswag@...>
Subject: Re: [070Club] History lesson

 

PSKReporter.info is a good site for tracking mode activity on the various bands.

 For the past 24 hours, In the past 24 hours, there were only 18 active monitors running PSK31. Sixteen of those monitors were on the 20 meter band and most of the signals recorded were from USA, Canada, and Europe. There were only a few signals reported from Mexico, the Caribbean,  South America, the Middle East, Asia, Africa, Australia and Oceana.

 

RTTY shows even less activity with only 6 monitors with most signals being in Europe and Japan. There is some activity in North-East USA.

 

 

 

On the other hand, there were 143 active monitors on FT4 and 3282 on FT8. There is significant FT8 activity even on bands such as 60 meters that seldom see PSK activity. Thus, it is fair to say that FT4 and FT8 have effectively "replaced" PSK and RTTY as the modes of choice during the current period of poor propagation conditions. That is not in any way implying that FT4 and FT8 are "better" than PSK and RTTY. It is only an indication that the FT modes are capable of sending and receiving signals under propagation conditions so poor that the PSK and RTTY modes have limited utility, especially for making DX contacts.

 

We are in the waning days of Solar Cycle 24 with Cycle 25 expected to begin sometime later this year. Propagation is unlikely to improve during 2020, with the exception of sporadic occurrences.

Solar activity is predicted to improve between 2021 and 2025 before it starts to decline again. At some point during this time the FT modes are likely to become too sensitive for the propagation conditions unless people cut back to QRP power levels. During this time PSK activity is likely to return to the levels seen during the 2013-2014 peak of Cycle 24. However, as Cycle 25 starts its decline after 2025, there will come a time in when the FT modes  (with whichever variants are available at that time) will once again become useful and PSK is likely to fall out of favor once again.

 

If your station is capable of making contacts on PSK under poor conditions, that is wonderful. However, many comments on this forum reveal a high level of frustration due to poor conditions. If you cannot make contacts using PSK, use whatever modes are at your disposal.

 

 

Ray N9RWC

 

 

 

 

 

 

------ Original Message ------
Received: 04:10 AM CDT, 05/06/2019
From: "William Schwiegeraht via Groups.Io" <bswag@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] History lesson

Well, in all fairness to the author, he didn't write an article on the death of PSK31: He wrote an article on Frequency Calibration, so i'm not sure that his lack of sources took away from his primary subject.  He did not claim that PSK31 was dead, nor RTTY for that matter.  The word "replaced" was used in the context of being the most popular digital mode at present.  One would have to be deaf when parked on the dial frequency of each mode on multiple bands to not notice that fact.  None of this is to say that PSK, RTTY, or any other mode doesn't have its place in amateur radio - it's all about finding one's interest and pursuing it!  RIght now, FT8 has captured the interest of lots of hams.

73,
Bill, N8KSG

 


Re: History lesson

Ray Clements
 

PSKReporter.info is a good site for tracking mode activity on the various bands.
 For the past 24 hours, In the past 24 hours, there were only 18 active monitors running PSK31. Sixteen of those monitors were on the 20 meter band and most of the signals recorded were from USA, Canada, and Europe. There were only a few signals reported from Mexico, the Caribbean,  South America, the Middle East, Asia, Africa, Australia and Oceana.

RTTY shows even less activity with only 6 monitors with most signals being in Europe and Japan. There is some activity in North-East USA.



On the other hand, there were 143 active monitors on FT4 and 3282 on FT8. There is significant FT8 activity even on bands such as 60 meters that seldom see PSK activity. Thus, it is fair to say that FT4 and FT8 have effectively "replaced" PSK and RTTY as the modes of choice during the current period of poor propagation conditions. That is not in any way implying that FT4 and FT8 are "better" than PSK and RTTY. It is only an indication that the FT modes are capable of sending and receiving signals under propagation conditions so poor that the PSK and RTTY modes have limited utility, especially for making DX contacts.

We are in the waning days of Solar Cycle 24 with Cycle 25 expected to begin sometime later this year. Propagation is unlikely to improve during 2020, with the exception of sporadic occurrences.
Solar activity is predicted to improve between 2021 and 2025 before it starts to decline again. At some point during this time the FT modes are likely to become too sensitive for the propagation conditions unless people cut back to QRP power levels. During this time PSK activity is likely to return to the levels seen during the 2013-2014 peak of Cycle 24. However, as Cycle 25 starts its decline after 2025, there will come a time in when the FT modes  (with whichever variants are available at that time) will once again become useful and PSK is likely to fall out of favor once again.

If your station is capable of making contacts on PSK under poor conditions, that is wonderful. However, many comments on this forum reveal a high level of frustration due to poor conditions. If you cannot make contacts using PSK, use whatever modes are at your disposal.


Ray N9RWC






------ Original Message ------
Received: 04:10 AM CDT, 05/06/2019
From: "William Schwiegeraht via Groups.Io" <bswag@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] History lesson


Well, in all fairness to the author, he didn't write an article on the death of PSK31: He wrote an article on Frequency Calibration, so i'm not sure that his lack of sources took away from his primary subject.  He did not claim that PSK31 was dead, nor RTTY for that matter.  The word "replaced" was used in the context of being the most popular digital mode at present.  One would have to be deaf when parked on the dial frequency of each mode on multiple bands to not notice that fact.  None of this is to say that PSK, RTTY, or any other mode doesn't have its place in amateur radio - it's all about finding one's interest and pursuing it!  RIght now, FT8 has captured the interest of lots of hams.

73,
Bill, N8KSG


Re: History lesson

Dan Morris - KZ3T
 

Me too Randy!!!

Dan Morris  KZ3T

I live to live for Him!



On May 6, 2019, at 1:16 AM, Randy True <w4rttrandy@...> wrote:

I still have the contacts that I have made on FT in my logbook, but I have removed the software  from my machine. I want nothing further to do with it.

Randy W4RTT

From: 070Club@groups.io <070Club@groups.io> on behalf of Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...>
Sent: Sunday, May 5, 2019 5:47 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] History lesson
 
Bob:

 

I think the author of that article was using “wishful thinking “ on his part; maybe “literary license”.  Don’t believe everything you read.

 

Have chatted with quite a few hams who have departed from FT8 because they say, “it’s boring”.  The only benefit I can see is that it’s a good way to work a lot of DX in a hurry.

 

I happened upon PODXS for many of the same reasons you stated.  PODXS is a fun bunch !

 

You seem to be a fairly consistent signal from CA. Hear you often, but don’t always respond.

 

RTTY and CW are still viable modes and I believe they’ll be with us for many more years as will PSK31.  Wish there were more PSK stations on the air, but that may be resolved with better propagation.

 

Jerry   n9avy

 

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From: Robert Motyl
Sent: Sunday, May 5, 2019 3:41 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] History lesson

 

Just read the FT8 vs RTTY article in May 2019 QST.  In the second paragraph and I quote, "The very popular PSK31, which has been the dominant keyboard digital mode for the past two decades, is being replaced by FT8".  Not sure how how the author came to that conclusion. 
1. I didn't see any sources listed.
2. By the FT communities own admission they just exchange call sign, grid location and signal strength.  My opinion  PSK is in a different amateur radio market if you will.   How does FT8 replace something  with different capabilities?

The article also states that FT8 "uses far less power and simpler antennas than RTTY".  "My opinion" is that most are not using it that way.

Full disclosure, I have used  JT65,, JT9  when I first started five years ago.  It was a nice way for me to transition into the hobby.  I also used FT8 for some time before I got tired of the mode.  Sorry that's the way I feel.
If anything FT8 has replaced JT65 and JT9.  Hard to find anyone using those modes these days.

I stumbled on to PODXS a few years ago and I have never looked back.  I was warmly welcomed and the group was very helpful right from the start.  I just want to thank all the members who have worked hard to give us this venue.  Looking forwarded to many years using PSK.

Sincerely,
Bob  KK6KMU

 



Re: History lesson

William Schwiegeraht <bswag@...>
 

Well, in all fairness to the author, he didn't write an article on the death of PSK31: He wrote an article on Frequency Calibration, so i'm not sure that his lack of sources took away from his primary subject.  He did not claim that PSK31 was dead, nor RTTY for that matter.  The word "replaced" was used in the context of being the most popular digital mode at present.  One would have to be deaf when parked on the dial frequency of each mode on multiple bands to not notice that fact.  None of this is to say that PSK, RTTY, or any other mode doesn't have its place in amateur radio - it's all about finding one's interest and pursuing it!  RIght now, FT8 has captured the interest of lots of hams.

73,
Bill, N8KSG


Re: History lesson

Randy True
 

I still have the contacts that I have made on FT in my logbook, but I have removed the software  from my machine. I want nothing further to do with it.

Randy W4RTT


From: 070Club@groups.io <070Club@groups.io> on behalf of Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...>
Sent: Sunday, May 5, 2019 5:47 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] History lesson
 

Bob:

 

I think the author of that article was using “wishful thinking “ on his part; maybe “literary license”.  Don’t believe everything you read.

 

Have chatted with quite a few hams who have departed from FT8 because they say, “it’s boring”.  The only benefit I can see is that it’s a good way to work a lot of DX in a hurry.

 

I happened upon PODXS for many of the same reasons you stated.  PODXS is a fun bunch !

 

You seem to be a fairly consistent signal from CA. Hear you often, but don’t always respond.

 

RTTY and CW are still viable modes and I believe they’ll be with us for many more years as will PSK31.  Wish there were more PSK stations on the air, but that may be resolved with better propagation.

 

Jerry   n9avy

 

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From: Robert Motyl
Sent: Sunday, May 5, 2019 3:41 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] History lesson

 

Just read the FT8 vs RTTY article in May 2019 QST.  In the second paragraph and I quote, "The very popular PSK31, which has been the dominant keyboard digital mode for the past two decades, is being replaced by FT8".  Not sure how how the author came to that conclusion. 
1. I didn't see any sources listed.
2. By the FT communities own admission they just exchange call sign, grid location and signal strength.  My opinion  PSK is in a different amateur radio market if you will.   How does FT8 replace something  with different capabilities?

The article also states that FT8 "uses far less power and simpler antennas than RTTY".  "My opinion" is that most are not using it that way.

Full disclosure, I have used  JT65,, JT9  when I first started five years ago.  It was a nice way for me to transition into the hobby.  I also used FT8 for some time before I got tired of the mode.  Sorry that's the way I feel.
If anything FT8 has replaced JT65 and JT9.  Hard to find anyone using those modes these days.

I stumbled on to PODXS a few years ago and I have never looked back.  I was warmly welcomed and the group was very helpful right from the start.  I just want to thank all the members who have worked hard to give us this venue.  Looking forwarded to many years using PSK.

Sincerely,
Bob  KK6KMU

 


Re: History lesson

Jerry N9AVY
 

Bob:

 

I think the author of that article was using “wishful thinking “ on his part; maybe “literary license”.  Don’t believe everything you read.

 

Have chatted with quite a few hams who have departed from FT8 because they say, “it’s boring”.  The only benefit I can see is that it’s a good way to work a lot of DX in a hurry.

 

I happened upon PODXS for many of the same reasons you stated.  PODXS is a fun bunch !

 

You seem to be a fairly consistent signal from CA. Hear you often, but don’t always respond.

 

RTTY and CW are still viable modes and I believe they’ll be with us for many more years as will PSK31.  Wish there were more PSK stations on the air, but that may be resolved with better propagation.

 

Jerry   n9avy

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Robert Motyl
Sent: Sunday, May 5, 2019 3:41 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] History lesson

 

Just read the FT8 vs RTTY article in May 2019 QST.  In the second paragraph and I quote, "The very popular PSK31, which has been the dominant keyboard digital mode for the past two decades, is being replaced by FT8".  Not sure how how the author came to that conclusion. 
1. I didn't see any sources listed.
2. By the FT communities own admission they just exchange call sign, grid location and signal strength.  My opinion  PSK is in a different amateur radio market if you will.   How does FT8 replace something  with different capabilities?

The article also states that FT8 "uses far less power and simpler antennas than RTTY".  "My opinion" is that most are not using it that way.

Full disclosure, I have used  JT65,, JT9  when I first started five years ago.  It was a nice way for me to transition into the hobby.  I also used FT8 for some time before I got tired of the mode.  Sorry that's the way I feel.
If anything FT8 has replaced JT65 and JT9.  Hard to find anyone using those modes these days.

I stumbled on to PODXS a few years ago and I have never looked back.  I was warmly welcomed and the group was very helpful right from the start.  I just want to thank all the members who have worked hard to give us this venue.  Looking forwarded to many years using PSK.

Sincerely,
Bob  KK6KMU

 


Re: History lesson

Bob Motyl KK6KMU
 

Just read the FT8 vs RTTY article in May 2019 QST.  In the second paragraph and I quote, "The very popular PSK31, which has been the dominant keyboard digital mode for the past two decades, is being replaced by FT8".  Not sure how how the author came to that conclusion. 
1. I didn't see any sources listed.
2. By the FT communities own admission they just exchange call sign, grid location and signal strength.  My opinion  PSK is in a different amateur radio market if you will.   How does FT8 replace something  with different capabilities?

The article also states that FT8 "uses far less power and simpler antennas than RTTY".  "My opinion" is that most are not using it that way.

Full disclosure, I have used  JT65,, JT9  when I first started five years ago.  It was a nice way for me to transition into the hobby.  I also used FT8 for some time before I got tired of the mode.  Sorry that's the way I feel.
If anything FT8 has replaced JT65 and JT9.  Hard to find anyone using those modes these days.

I stumbled on to PODXS a few years ago and I have never looked back.  I was warmly welcomed and the group was very helpful right from the start.  I just want to thank all the members who have worked hard to give us this venue.  Looking forwarded to many years using PSK.

Sincerely,
Bob  KK6KMU

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