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Get Ready for the ARRL CW DX Contest!

winstarman
 

A bad day on the bands is better than a good day at work (unless you
get paid exorbitant gobs of money to work the bands.)

Looks like we may get run out of town by the CW contest this next
weekend too:

http://www.arrl.org/contests/rules/2009/intldx.html

Anyone up for a gathering on 17/30?

The 070 powers should put up a new survey on the website so we can
vote on the name of the impromptu contest :-D

R-
73 de ke4wle


--- In 070@yahoogroups.com, Jerry <n9avy@...> wrote:

Mike:
 
That's the best analogy I've seen yet.  Unless the 070 powers decide
to hand out stickers for complaining, we might as well make the best
of the situation.  Perhaps alternative nets on 30-17-12 meters is a
workable idea.  Of course, next year I would go for a PSK31 contest on
30-17-12 meters called, "It's The RTTYers Fault We're Here !"  or
possibly everyone running PSK Kilowatts on 14070  :-)   !
 
Seriously, there are many real options open to us PSK operators.
When the Big Contests weekends happen we need to explore our options
... complaining isn't one of them.
 
 
Jerry  N9AVY


Re: Sick of Rude RTTY Ops myself

k7pwl
 

Well said Mike ... not only does it put the weekend in perspective but it
even took me back to being a kid for few seconds -- Thanks

_____

From: Mike Flowers [mailto:mike.flowers@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 8:05 PM
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [070] Re: Sick of Rude RTTY Ops myself



Reminds me of fishing on my favorite stretch of the Potomac river when I was
a boy. Sometimes the fish were biting. Sometimes not. Sometimes the guys
up-river ran up and down that stretch of river with their souped-up
motorboats all day. Sometimes not. Sometimes the weather was good.
Sometimes not. I always enjoyed going fishing. I don't remember
complaining about it much, either.

On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 7:28 PM, KE4WLE <winstarman@yahoo.
<mailto:winstarman%40yahoo.com> com> wrote:

I don't want to beat a dead horse, but now that the RTTY contest is
over I guess I'll throw in my $0.02...

Like others, I was disappointed to fire up the radio Friday evening,
ready to work some PSK for the 070 contest, only to hear RTTY all over
the place. (I don't generally keep track of what non-PSK contests are
going on.)

I'm not a huge RTTY operator, but when a contest comes along I jump on
the RTTY bandwagon and try to pick up some new states or DX using RTTY
- I like the fast pace of the mode and it's a great way to practice
for the PSK contests.

I spent a few hours on the radio during the contest, and didn't run
into any cases of people purposefully "stomping" on others, as is
sometimes seen during the voice contests. I can say that RTTY was all
over the lower end of the bands (yes, even on top of where PSK
generally sits.) It's true that the contesters don't "cram" into
where RTTY would customarily be, but if they did it wouldn't matter
because everyone would be all over everyone else, making the whole
thing pointless. (Note I'm not talking about operating out-of-band,
for which there is no excuse.)

I'm not a CW fan, so when the big CW contests are going on and there's
CW operators all over the PSK frequencies, I just go do something
productive around the house, which makes the XYL happy... which is good.

Just my thoughts...

73 de ke4wle
R-

--- In 070@yahoogroups. <mailto:070%40yahoogroups.com> com
<070%40yahoogroups.com>, Jerry <n9avy@...>
wrote:

Do the math ...

20 kHz. divided by 20,000 stations = won't all fit in 20 kHz.,
will they ?

That 20 KHz. for RTTY is by "Gentlemen's Agreement", the same way
the 14.070 is for PSK. FCC Part 97 says that RTTY can go all the way
up to 14.150 and some did; however, rules in other countries may be
different and that could be part of the problem.

For the most part some operators in these contests aren't paying
attention to band edges and "Gentlemen's Agreements" because they are
intent on scoring big points by making all the contacts they can. I
have heard several stations "unintentionally" operate beyong the band
edges this weekend. Am sure some U.S. operators will get "Valentines"
from the many OO's out there.

Sometimes, with the bigger contests it's better to find something
other than ham radio to pursue that weekend... drinking, knitting,
cleaning garage, building something, go somewhere, but stay off the
air until contest is over. It's just a hobby ...

Jerry N9AVY


--

73 de Mike, K6MKF


Re: Sick of Rude RTTY Ops myself

Jerry N9AVY
 

Mike:
 
That's the best analogy I've seen yet.  Unless the 070 powers decide to hand out stickers for complaining, we might as well make the best of the situation.  Perhaps alternative nets on 30-17-12 meters is a workable idea.  Of course, next year I would go for a PSK31 contest on 30-17-12 meters called, "It's The RTTYers Fault We're Here !"  or possibly everyone running PSK Kilowatts on 14070  :-)   !
 
Seriously, there are many real options open to us PSK operators. When the Big Contests weekends happen we need to explore our options ... complaining isn't one of them.
 
 
Jerry  N9AVY

--- On Sun, 2/15/09, Mike Flowers <mike.flowers@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Mike Flowers <mike.flowers@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [070] Re: Sick of Rude RTTY Ops myself
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, February 15, 2009, 10:05 PM






Reminds me of fishing on my favorite stretch of the Potomac river when I was
a boy. Sometimes the fish were biting. Sometimes not. Sometimes the guys
up-river ran up and down that stretch of river with their souped-up
motorboats all day. Sometimes not. Sometimes the weather was good.
Sometimes not. I always enjoyed going fishing. I don't remember
complaining about it much, either.



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: Sick of Rude RTTY Ops myself

Stephen Collins <scollins0270@...>
 

ok, i have NO idea what psk500 would be like.. i mean really i can hardly type fast enough to justify psk 63.... i am sure there would be a way to send files over psk at 500

yup, when ham radio gets jammed up or i am not happy with it then i turn to other things.. unfortunately my antenna situation doesnt do too many bands well. but i hope to change that.. so that using 30 or 17 would be better for me..

----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Phelps
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: [070] Re: Sick of Rude RTTY Ops myself


Well my friend I know what you are saying.I like PSK and also RTTY and I did make some contacts in this contests but once I did get tired of listening to rtty run and headed for 12-17-30 meters.I was disapointed to not find one PSK'er there wanting to chew the fat.Guess we may need to create some kind on non contesters PSK rag chewers club on these bands and then when the wall to wall RTTY and CW contests fire up we will have a refuge.At least there can be no contests on these three bands and while I am dreaming maybe someday they will give us PSK ops a lot more frequency so we can also have a good contest.And while I am dreaming maybe they will let us run PSK 31-63-125-250 and who knows maybe we can tryout PSK500 with all that extra bandwidth.
Come on fellars help me dream
KO4PU
----- Original Message -----
From: KE4WLE
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 9:28 PM
Subject: [070] Re: Sick of Rude RTTY Ops myself

I don't want to beat a dead horse, but now that the RTTY contest is
over I guess I'll throw in my $0.02...

Like others, I was disappointed to fire up the radio Friday evening,
ready to work some PSK for the 070 contest, only to hear RTTY all over
the place. (I don't generally keep track of what non-PSK contests are
going on.)

I'm not a huge RTTY operator, but when a contest comes along I jump on
the RTTY bandwagon and try to pick up some new states or DX using RTTY
- I like the fast pace of the mode and it's a great way to practice
for the PSK contests.

I spent a few hours on the radio during the contest, and didn't run
into any cases of people purposefully "stomping" on others, as is
sometimes seen during the voice contests. I can say that RTTY was all
over the lower end of the bands (yes, even on top of where PSK
generally sits.) It's true that the contesters don't "cram" into
where RTTY would customarily be, but if they did it wouldn't matter
because everyone would be all over everyone else, making the whole
thing pointless. (Note I'm not talking about operating out-of-band,
for which there is no excuse.)

I'm not a CW fan, so when the big CW contests are going on and there's
CW operators all over the PSK frequencies, I just go do something
productive around the house, which makes the XYL happy... which is good.

Just my thoughts...

73 de ke4wle
R-

--- In 070@yahoogroups.com, Jerry <n9avy@...> wrote:
>
> Do the math ...
>
> 20 kHz. divided by 20,000 stations = won't all fit in 20 kHz.,
will they ?
>
> That 20 KHz. for RTTY is by "Gentlemen's Agreement", the same way
the 14.070 is for PSK. FCC Part 97 says that RTTY can go all the way
up to 14.150 and some did; however, rules in other countries may be
different and that could be part of the problem.
>
> For the most part some operators in these contests aren't paying
attention to band edges and "Gentlemen's Agreements" because they are
intent on scoring big points by making all the contacts they can. I
have heard several stations "unintentionally" operate beyong the band
edges this weekend. Am sure some U.S. operators will get "Valentines"
from the many OO's out there.
>
> Sometimes, with the bigger contests it's better to find something
other than ham radio to pursue that weekend... drinking, knitting,
cleaning garage, building something, go somewhere, but stay off the
air until contest is over. It's just a hobby ...
>
> Jerry N9AVY
>
>

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Re: Sick of Rude RTTY Ops myself

Robert Phelps <igwt@...>
 

Well my friend I know what you are saying.I like PSK and also RTTY and I did make some contacts in this contests but once I did get tired of listening to rtty run and headed for 12-17-30 meters.I was disapointed to not find one PSK'er there wanting to chew the fat.Guess we may need to create some kind on non contesters PSK rag chewers club on these bands and then when the wall to wall RTTY and CW contests fire up we will have a refuge.At least there can be no contests on these three bands and while I am dreaming maybe someday they will give us PSK ops a lot more frequency so we can also have a good contest.And while I am dreaming maybe they will let us run PSK 31-63-125-250 and who knows maybe we can tryout PSK500 with all that extra bandwidth.
Come on fellars help me dream
KO4PU

----- Original Message -----
From: KE4WLE
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 9:28 PM
Subject: [070] Re: Sick of Rude RTTY Ops myself


I don't want to beat a dead horse, but now that the RTTY contest is
over I guess I'll throw in my $0.02...

Like others, I was disappointed to fire up the radio Friday evening,
ready to work some PSK for the 070 contest, only to hear RTTY all over
the place. (I don't generally keep track of what non-PSK contests are
going on.)

I'm not a huge RTTY operator, but when a contest comes along I jump on
the RTTY bandwagon and try to pick up some new states or DX using RTTY
- I like the fast pace of the mode and it's a great way to practice
for the PSK contests.

I spent a few hours on the radio during the contest, and didn't run
into any cases of people purposefully "stomping" on others, as is
sometimes seen during the voice contests. I can say that RTTY was all
over the lower end of the bands (yes, even on top of where PSK
generally sits.) It's true that the contesters don't "cram" into
where RTTY would customarily be, but if they did it wouldn't matter
because everyone would be all over everyone else, making the whole
thing pointless. (Note I'm not talking about operating out-of-band,
for which there is no excuse.)

I'm not a CW fan, so when the big CW contests are going on and there's
CW operators all over the PSK frequencies, I just go do something
productive around the house, which makes the XYL happy... which is good.

Just my thoughts...

73 de ke4wle
R-

--- In 070@yahoogroups.com, Jerry <n9avy@...> wrote:
>
> Do the math ...
>
> 20 kHz. divided by 20,000 stations = won't all fit in 20 kHz.,
will they ?
>
> That 20 KHz. for RTTY is by "Gentlemen's Agreement", the same way
the 14.070 is for PSK. FCC Part 97 says that RTTY can go all the way
up to 14.150 and some did; however, rules in other countries may be
different and that could be part of the problem.
>
> For the most part some operators in these contests aren't paying
attention to band edges and "Gentlemen's Agreements" because they are
intent on scoring big points by making all the contacts they can. I
have heard several stations "unintentionally" operate beyong the band
edges this weekend. Am sure some U.S. operators will get "Valentines"
from the many OO's out there.
>
> Sometimes, with the bigger contests it's better to find something
other than ham radio to pursue that weekend... drinking, knitting,
cleaning garage, building something, go somewhere, but stay off the
air until contest is over. It's just a hobby ...
>
> Jerry N9AVY
>
>






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Re: Sick of Rude RTTY Ops myself

Mike Flowers
 

Reminds me of fishing on my favorite stretch of the Potomac river when I was
a boy. Sometimes the fish were biting. Sometimes not. Sometimes the guys
up-river ran up and down that stretch of river with their souped-up
motorboats all day. Sometimes not. Sometimes the weather was good.
Sometimes not. I always enjoyed going fishing. I don't remember
complaining about it much, either.

On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 7:28 PM, KE4WLE <winstarman@yahoo.com> wrote:

I don't want to beat a dead horse, but now that the RTTY contest is
over I guess I'll throw in my $0.02...

Like others, I was disappointed to fire up the radio Friday evening,
ready to work some PSK for the 070 contest, only to hear RTTY all over
the place. (I don't generally keep track of what non-PSK contests are
going on.)

I'm not a huge RTTY operator, but when a contest comes along I jump on
the RTTY bandwagon and try to pick up some new states or DX using RTTY
- I like the fast pace of the mode and it's a great way to practice
for the PSK contests.

I spent a few hours on the radio during the contest, and didn't run
into any cases of people purposefully "stomping" on others, as is
sometimes seen during the voice contests. I can say that RTTY was all
over the lower end of the bands (yes, even on top of where PSK
generally sits.) It's true that the contesters don't "cram" into
where RTTY would customarily be, but if they did it wouldn't matter
because everyone would be all over everyone else, making the whole
thing pointless. (Note I'm not talking about operating out-of-band,
for which there is no excuse.)

I'm not a CW fan, so when the big CW contests are going on and there's
CW operators all over the PSK frequencies, I just go do something
productive around the house, which makes the XYL happy... which is good.

Just my thoughts...

73 de ke4wle
R-

--- In 070@yahoogroups.com <070%40yahoogroups.com>, Jerry <n9avy@...>
wrote:

Do the math ...

20 kHz. divided by 20,000 stations = won't all fit in 20 kHz.,
will they ?

That 20 KHz. for RTTY is by "Gentlemen's Agreement", the same way
the 14.070 is for PSK. FCC Part 97 says that RTTY can go all the way
up to 14.150 and some did; however, rules in other countries may be
different and that could be part of the problem.

For the most part some operators in these contests aren't paying
attention to band edges and "Gentlemen's Agreements" because they are
intent on scoring big points by making all the contacts they can. I
have heard several stations "unintentionally" operate beyong the band
edges this weekend. Am sure some U.S. operators will get "Valentines"
from the many OO's out there.

Sometimes, with the bigger contests it's better to find something
other than ham radio to pursue that weekend... drinking, knitting,
cleaning garage, building something, go somewhere, but stay off the
air until contest is over. It's just a hobby ...

Jerry N9AVY


--

73 de Mike, K6MKF


Re: Sick of Rude RTTY Ops myself

winstarman
 

I don't want to beat a dead horse, but now that the RTTY contest is
over I guess I'll throw in my $0.02...

Like others, I was disappointed to fire up the radio Friday evening,
ready to work some PSK for the 070 contest, only to hear RTTY all over
the place. (I don't generally keep track of what non-PSK contests are
going on.)

I'm not a huge RTTY operator, but when a contest comes along I jump on
the RTTY bandwagon and try to pick up some new states or DX using RTTY
- I like the fast pace of the mode and it's a great way to practice
for the PSK contests.

I spent a few hours on the radio during the contest, and didn't run
into any cases of people purposefully "stomping" on others, as is
sometimes seen during the voice contests. I can say that RTTY was all
over the lower end of the bands (yes, even on top of where PSK
generally sits.) It's true that the contesters don't "cram" into
where RTTY would customarily be, but if they did it wouldn't matter
because everyone would be all over everyone else, making the whole
thing pointless. (Note I'm not talking about operating out-of-band,
for which there is no excuse.)

I'm not a CW fan, so when the big CW contests are going on and there's
CW operators all over the PSK frequencies, I just go do something
productive around the house, which makes the XYL happy... which is good.

Just my thoughts...

73 de ke4wle
R-







--- In 070@yahoogroups.com, Jerry <n9avy@...> wrote:

Do the math ...
 
20 kHz. divided by  20,000 stations   =   won't all fit in 20 kHz.,
will they ?
 
That 20 KHz. for RTTY is by "Gentlemen's Agreement", the same way
the 14.070 is for  PSK.  FCC Part 97 says that RTTY can go all the way
up to 14.150 and some did; however, rules in other countries may be
different and that could be part of the problem.
 
For the most part some operators in these contests aren't paying
attention to band edges and "Gentlemen's Agreements" because they are
intent on scoring big points by making all the contacts they can.  I
have heard several stations "unintentionally" operate beyong the band
edges this weekend. Am sure some U.S. operators will get "Valentines"
from the many OO's out there.
 
Sometimes, with the bigger contests it's better to find something
other than ham radio to pursue that weekend... drinking, knitting,
cleaning garage, building something, go somewhere, but stay off the
air until contest is over. It's just a hobby ...
 
Jerry  N9AVY
 


Re: Sick of Rude RTTY Ops myself

Jerry N9AVY
 

Dummy load between ears !

--- On Sun, 2/15/09, Phil Barnett <philb@philb.us> wrote:

From: Phil Barnett <philb@philb.us>
Subject: Re: [070] Re: Sick of Rude RTTY Ops myself
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, February 15, 2009, 6:29 PM






Jerry wrote:
Do the math ...

20 kHz. divided by 20,000 stations = won't all fit in 20 kHz., will they ?

That 20 KHz. for RTTY is by "Gentlemen's Agreement", the same way the 14.070 is for PSK. FCC Part 97 says that RTTY can go all the way up to 14.150 and some did; however, rules in other countries may be different and that could be part of the problem.

For the most part some operators in these contests aren't paying attention to band edges and "Gentlemen's Agreements" because they are intent on scoring big points by making all the contacts they can. I have heard several stations "unintentionally" operate beyong the band edges this weekend. Am sure some U.S. operators will get "Valentines" from the many OO's out there.

Sometimes, with the bigger contests it's better to find something other than ham radio to pursue that weekend... drinking, knitting, cleaning garage, building something, go somewhere, but stay off the air until contest is over. It's just a hobby ...

Jerry N9AVY
Regardless of them needing more bandwidth, it's not ok for them to start
up on a frequency that is already in use. I witnessed that several
times. I'm talking about a dozen ongoing PSK conversations and bam, some
RTTY fires up right in the middle of them.

If it's an accident, then it's because he has a dummy load for a
receiving antenna.















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Re: Sick of Rude RTTY Ops myself

Phil Barnett <philb@...>
 

Jerry wrote:
Do the math ...
20 kHz. divided by 20,000 stations = won't all fit in 20 kHz., will they ?
That 20 KHz. for RTTY is by "Gentlemen's Agreement", the same way the 14.070 is for PSK. FCC Part 97 says that RTTY can go all the way up to 14.150 and some did; however, rules in other countries may be different and that could be part of the problem.
For the most part some operators in these contests aren't paying attention to band edges and "Gentlemen's Agreements" because they are intent on scoring big points by making all the contacts they can. I have heard several stations "unintentionally" operate beyong the band edges this weekend. Am sure some U.S. operators will get "Valentines" from the many OO's out there.
Sometimes, with the bigger contests it's better to find something other than ham radio to pursue that weekend... drinking, knitting, cleaning garage, building something, go somewhere, but stay off the air until contest is over. It's just a hobby ...
Jerry N9AVY
Regardless of them needing more bandwidth, it's not ok for them to start up on a frequency that is already in use. I witnessed that several times. I'm talking about a dozen ongoing PSK conversations and bam, some RTTY fires up right in the middle of them.

If it's an accident, then it's because he has a dummy load for a receiving antenna.


15m

Mark - N8MNI
 

I only seen the one station from C?A on 15m today.

Maybe next time.



73's
de N8MNI
Mark Crosbie
London, Ohio

N8MNI<at>ARRL<dot>NET


Re: Antenna test

John McCarthy
 

PSK on 21.072?

-----Original Message-----
From: 070@yahoogroups.com [mailto:070@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark
Crosbie - N8MNI
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 2:36 PM
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [070] Re: Antenna test

calling cq now on 15m

19:35utc





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Re: Antenna test

Mark - N8MNI
 

calling cq now on 15m

19:35utc


Re: Antenna test

winstarman
 

Yeah, obviously I was having a tough time with UTC vs. Local this
morning..

I meant 3pm local.

I'll try you in the sked room but if I don't I'll be listening on
21080.150 at 3pm local.

73 de ke4wle
R-

--- In 070@yahoogroups.com, "John McCarthy" <johnmccarthy@...> wrote:

1800Z is 1300 local, did I blow it and miss you? You want to try
PSK31/RTTY
on 15 meters around 3 PM. I am in the eQSL sked room now.

John

-----Original Message-----
From: 070@yahoogroups.com [mailto:070@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
KE4WLE
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 7:39 AM
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [070] Re: Antenna test

Day late and a dollar short, but I live in Fairborn, OH. I'm
available to listen for you Today (Sun) around 1800UTC (3pm) - let
me know

73 de ke4wle
R-

--- In 070@yahoogroups.com, "John McCarthy" <johnmccarthy@> wrote:

If we have anyone from Ohio just laying around, I would like to see
if they
can here me on 15 meters. I have set up my Buddipole and would like
to see
if it works better than the multiband vertical.

John
K4OP



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New Survey Posted on 070 website

sly_garb <w6qe@...>
 

Our new website is super! Thanks to our leadership and your efforts.
I particularily enjoy the survey's, and seeing what other folks are
doing and using.
I don't really care for rtty contests either, but I'm sure not going to
stroke out over it.
Milton
W6QE


New Survey Posted on 070 website

sly_garb <w6qe@...>
 

Our new website is super! Thanks to our leadership and your efforts.
I particularily enjoy the survey's, and seeing what other folks are
doing and using.
I don't really care for rtty contests either, but I'm sure not going to
stroke out over it.
Milton
W6QE


Re: Antenna test

John McCarthy
 

1800Z is 1300 local, did I blow it and miss you? You want to try PSK31/RTTY
on 15 meters around 3 PM. I am in the eQSL sked room now.

John

-----Original Message-----
From: 070@yahoogroups.com [mailto:070@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of KE4WLE
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 7:39 AM
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [070] Re: Antenna test

Day late and a dollar short, but I live in Fairborn, OH. I'm
available to listen for you Today (Sun) around 1800UTC (3pm) - let me know

73 de ke4wle
R-

--- In 070@yahoogroups.com, "John McCarthy" <johnmccarthy@...> wrote:

If we have anyone from Ohio just laying around, I would like to see
if they
can here me on 15 meters. I have set up my Buddipole and would like
to see
if it works better than the multiband vertical.

John
K4OP



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Re: Sick of Rude RTTY Ops myself

Justin Mattes--KC2GIK
 

Then PSkers should be able to drop down to 14.065 or someting DURING RTTY contests. I'm going start doing that and if the OO's dobn't like it, let them talk to the RTTY folks CW DOESN'T need all that space! I made contacts at 14.068 and 14.072. This is NUTS RTTY get all this space and PSKER'S get what 1 or God forbid 2 Hz. All this time we have been looking at this all wrong. IF PSK has such a NARROW SIGNAL than we should be able to squeeze into more places and not be limited to
The Gentleman's Agreement is BS to ALL RTTY operators and everybody knows it. They are no better thaan CBers coming onto 10 meters!
Justin KC2GIK

Robert Sheskin wrote:


I do not want to start a war but if you are a regular rtty user then you
know that as a rule, on 20 meters you have been making contact starting at
14.080 and psk has been starting at 14.070. When all of a sudden rtty
signals are starting at 14.070 how can you say that is not intentional?

Robert Sheskin
AIM: RobertLS
MSN: RSheskin

From: 070@yahoogroups.com <mailto:070%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:070@yahoogroups.com <mailto:070%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Thomas
F. Giella NZ4O
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 12:42 PM
To: a 070 PODXS eGroup
Subject: [070] Re: Sick of Rude RTTY Ops myself

I'm operating in the CQ WPX RTTY contest. I can tell you that with dozens of
strong RTTY stations all jammed together it is very difficult to discern a
PSK31 signal amidst the mayhem. A lone PSK31 signal looks like the other
half of a RTTY signal and I would venture to say that most of the QRM
suffered by PSK31 operators by RTTY contest stations is unintentional.

73 & GUD DX,
Thomas F. Giella, KN4LF
Lakeland, FL, USA
nz4o@tampabay.rr.com <mailto:nz4o%40tampabay.rr.com> <mailto:nz4o%40tampabay.rr.com>
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Re: Sick of Rude RTTY Ops myself

Jerry N9AVY
 

Do the math ...
 
20 kHz. divided by  20,000 stations   =   won't all fit in 20 kHz., will they ?
 
That 20 KHz. for RTTY is by "Gentlemen's Agreement", the same way the 14.070 is for  PSK.  FCC Part 97 says that RTTY can go all the way up to 14.150 and some did; however, rules in other countries may be different and that could be part of the problem.
 
For the most part some operators in these contests aren't paying attention to band edges and "Gentlemen's Agreements" because they are intent on scoring big points by making all the contacts they can.  I have heard several stations "unintentionally" operate beyong the band edges this weekend. Am sure some U.S. operators will get "Valentines" from the many OO's out there.
 
Sometimes, with the bigger contests it's better to find something other than ham radio to pursue that weekend... drinking, knitting, cleaning garage, building something, go somewhere, but stay off the air until contest is over. It's just a hobby ...
 
Jerry  N9AVY

--- On Sun, 2/15/09, Robert Sheskin <rsheskin@comcast.net> wrote:

From: Robert Sheskin <rsheskin@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: [070] Re: Sick of Rude RTTY Ops myself
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, February 15, 2009, 12:01 PM






I do not want to start a war but if you are a regular rtty user then you
know that as a rule, on 20 meters you have been making contact starting at
14.080 and psk has been starting at 14.070. When all of a sudden rtty
signals are starting at 14.070 how can you say that is not intentional?

Robert Sheskin
AIM: RobertLS
MSN: RSheskin

From: 070@yahoogroups. com [mailto:070@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Thomas
F. Giella NZ4O
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 12:42 PM
To: a 070 PODXS eGroup
Subject: [070] Re: Sick of Rude RTTY Ops myself

I'm operating in the CQ WPX RTTY contest. I can tell you that with dozens of
strong RTTY stations all jammed together it is very difficult to discern a
PSK31 signal amidst the mayhem. A lone PSK31 signal looks like the other
half of a RTTY signal and I would venture to say that most of the QRM
suffered by PSK31 operators by RTTY contest stations is unintentional.

73 & GUD DX,
Thomas F. Giella, KN4LF
Lakeland, FL, USA
nz4o@tampabay. rr.com <mailto:nz4o% 40tampabay. rr.com>
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Feld Hell Club #141
30 Meter Digital Group #691
Digital Modes Club #1243

KN4LF Amateur & SWL Radio Autobiography: http://www.kn4lf. com

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Re: Sick of Rude RTTY Ops myself

Robert Sheskin <rsheskin@...>
 

I do not want to start a war but if you are a regular rtty user then you
know that as a rule, on 20 meters you have been making contact starting at
14.080 and psk has been starting at 14.070. When all of a sudden rtty
signals are starting at 14.070 how can you say that is not intentional?



Robert Sheskin
AIM: RobertLS
MSN: RSheskin

From: 070@yahoogroups.com [mailto:070@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Thomas
F. Giella NZ4O
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 12:42 PM
To: a 070 PODXS eGroup
Subject: [070] Re: Sick of Rude RTTY Ops myself



I'm operating in the CQ WPX RTTY contest. I can tell you that with dozens of
strong RTTY stations all jammed together it is very difficult to discern a
PSK31 signal amidst the mayhem. A lone PSK31 signal looks like the other
half of a RTTY signal and I would venture to say that most of the QRM
suffered by PSK31 operators by RTTY contest stations is unintentional.

73 & GUD DX,
Thomas F. Giella, KN4LF
Lakeland, FL, USA
nz4o@tampabay.rr.com <mailto:nz4o%40tampabay.rr.com>
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PODXS 070 Club #349
Feld Hell Club #141
30 Meter Digital Group #691
Digital Modes Club #1243

KN4LF Amateur & SWL Radio Autobiography: http://www.kn4lf.com

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Re: Sick of Rude RTTY Ops myself

Thomas F. Giella NZ4O <nz4o@...>
 

I'm operating in the CQ WPX RTTY contest. I can tell you that with dozens of
strong RTTY stations all jammed together it is very difficult to discern a
PSK31 signal amidst the mayhem. A lone PSK31 signal looks like the other
half of a RTTY signal and I would venture to say that most of the QRM
suffered by PSK31 operators by RTTY contest stations is unintentional.

73 & GUD DX,
Thomas F. Giella, KN4LF
Lakeland, FL, USA
nz4o@tampabay.rr.com
<><

PODXS 070 Club #349
Feld Hell Club #141
30 Meter Digital Group #691
Digital Modes Club #1243

KN4LF Amateur & SWL Radio Autobiography: http://www.kn4lf.com




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