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Re: Member Upgrades

Adam Wade <espresso_doppio@...>
 

On Sunday, December 21, 2008 3:45 PM [Zulu -7],
J Budzowski <jbudzowski@verizon.net> wrote:

Hey guys, let us not be too hard on those of us who have still one
foot in the cave, myself included :o) The 070 Club truly represents
the whole gamut of computer expertise, from the Old Timers who visit
the local ATM with disdain and trepidation to them "New Wave" hams,
born in the digital world and to whom everything computer seems so
easy!
Understandable, although I still lament the fact that so many hams today
know little or nothing about the technical aspects of the ionosphere,
electronics, antennas, etc. And I wasn't meaning to belittle anyone for
not
knowing things; Lord knows, there's plenty that I don't know, even within
the realm of Amateur radio. But getting haughty and denigrating about
something based on a glaring bit of ignorance is pretty haughty, in my
book.

The whole purpose of the 070 Club has always been to support
on-the-air PSK31 activities, to further the art of amateur radio and
to help those along who are interested in PSK31, including those who
are digitally challenged.
Very much so, which is specifically why it rubbed me so much the wrong way
to see someone getting snarky about volunteers doing a service for the
person posting, as well as many others throughout the ham radio community.
Honor, respect, appreciate, contribute -- but being snotty about their
contribution, especially when the technical basis for your snottiness is
plain wrong, is significantly over the top. There's a big difference
between saying something like "I don't understand what the big deal is; can

it really be that much more work for the volunteers to check our logs when
we submit them?" and saying "ADIF files are universal and require no effort

to manage and handle, so I'm cheesed off that I have to waste my precious
time getting my log submissions squared away before sending them in." I
could expound, but I think my point has been made pretty well. :)
Humility
goes a long way, and saying "I don't understand why it makes a difference"
is a whole other implication from "I know it doesn't make a difference and
piss on you for making me spend ten minutes of my time", especially when it

DOES make a difference. ;)

Like it or not, we are the new DIGITAL
ELMERS and must do what we can, whether it be to politely report the
excessive width of a psk signal, or to accept the occasional log
which does not exactly meet the contest sponsor's specs.
And I think that the folks at various digital modes clubs quite often will
take logs that are imperfect in some fashion; I know I have included
extraneous info in some logs before and was politely corrected. But I did
make a significant effort at getting the log pared down to what they
wanted,
and they told me my effot was appreciated. Same with waterfall stuff...
And on 20m during this last Feld Hell Club Sprint I switched to RTTY
briefly
to let someone from the RTTY contest know their strong signal immediately
adjacent was QRMing out just about all of the Hellschreiber QSOs and he
apologized and moved back up the band; I wasn't rude about it, just let him

know (he might not have even been aware what Hell was on his waterfall).
However, if I was one of the volunteers handling award submissions and
someone gave me a log that needed a lot of work and I couldn't trim up at
all without investing considerable time, I'd send it back politely; if it
became an ongoing problem with a particular individual, eventually I'd stop

asking; I'd just file the "out there" logs in the bit bucket.

I think you guys do an amazing job, Jay, and the least folks can do is show

some respect and appreciation. No need to be snarky just because of a
misunderstanding. If you look at something and it doesn't make sense to
you, you're probably missing some information, and admitting you might be
unaware of a reason is a lot different than assuming you do and bitching
about a non-sensical (from your perspective) rule, especially one that is
at
worst a mild annoyance to accomodate.

Does anyone want this soap box? I have a compact QRP rig now and don't
need
the crate to carry around my TS-130S any more. ;)

! Adam Wade -==- 90 Zephyr 615 (Daphne) -=- 86 Ninja 250 (Iris) !
! "I write down everything I want to remember. That way, instead !
! of spending a lot of time trying to remember what it is I wrote !
! down, I spend z time looking for the paper I wrote it down on." !
! - Beryl Pfizer -=- AF6ME -=- http://www.allthings550.com !


Re: Member Upgrades

J Budzowski <jbudzowski@...>
 

Hey guys, let us not be too hard on those of us who have still one foot in the cave, myself included :o) The 070 Club truly represents the whole gamut of computer expertise, from the Old Timers who visit the local ATM with disdain and trepidation to them "New Wave" hams, born in the digital world and to whom everything computer seems so easy! The whole purpose of the 070 Club has always been to support on-the-air PSK31 activities, to further the art of amateur radio and to help those along who are interested in PSK31, including those who are digitally challenged. Like it or not, we are the new DIGITAL ELMERS and must do what we can, whether it be to politely report the excessive width of a psk signal, or to accept the occasional log which does not exactly meet the contest sponsor's specs. Such is the storied tradition of ham radio! From PODXS and the staff of the 070 Club, Merry Christmas to all the 070 Club members es the vy best for you es urs in the coming new year! 73 de Jay N3DQU


Re: Member Upgrades

Floyd Larck, KK3Q <hamradio@...>
 

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From: 070@yahoogroups.com [mailto:070@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Adam
Wade
Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 4:07 PM
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [070] RE: Member Upgrades



<snip>


Frankly, it bothers me greatly that people see what is a wonderful, free
service as something to which they are entitled, and further something which
they are entitled to be lazy about with someone else having to pick up the
slack on their behalf. That's just rude and insulting, and insinuates that
your time is so much more valuable than mine, and my effort does not count
for anything with you. And when people treat me like that, *I* generally
tell them to f@$%^*% off.

</snip>

This is similar to work I do as a certificate manager for a 10-10 chapter,
people refuse to use the submission forms online and simply copy and paste
everything into an email (generally sent to my email and not the chapter).
Then they complain when the FREE certificate is "late". One person even went
as far as having another person complain to me only to find out the FREE
certificate had been on our web site ready for downloading for several
WEEKS.

I don't know of many orgs that you send a log into that doesn't need some
kind of file manipulation (you can use notepad can't you?) on the file
exported from your logging/contest software. That is unless you use a
software package that formats the files "exactly" as the sponsoring party
requires you to do so and even then you owe it to YOURSELF to make sure the
log meets the sponsoring organization's file format.

All files being exported from logging and contest programs are, to the best
of my knowledge, simple text files. Fire up NOTEPAD or whatever text editor
your OS uses and get familiar with editing your files to insure you get
credit for your contacts.

Sorry for going off topic, those of you who do not volunteer simply do not
realize the time spend on issues like this. The Internet has taken a great
deal of burden off of amateur ops by providing a means of transporting these
logs, applications and even certificates for free. The very least we can do
is RTFM as to what the sponsoring org expects from us.



Floyd, KK3Q


Re: Member Upgrades

Adam Wade <espresso_doppio@...>
 

On Sunday, December 21, 2008 10:28 AM [Zulu -7],
Jeff Newsome <jeffnjr484@yahoo.com> wrote:

the thing that is
especially troublesome is how the log is supposed to be sent in a log
is a log it shouldn' have to be in any special format
I can see you don't really know very much about computers or the ADIF
format, which I find a little surprising considering this is a list about
digital modes involving hams. But I guess it's endemic of the "appliance
operator" mentality that has largely taken over Amateur radio.

There is no standardization for the ADIF format. Try exporting a log from
one program and importing it into another program; in many cases you'll end

up with data in wrong columns, etc. If it was as simple as just loading
all
the logs into a piece of software and pressing a button, sure, no problem.
But a volunteer has to go through all of those logs and make sure that
someone's logs qualify them for whatever the award is, and that's a lot of
work for a lot of awards. It's dull, unpleasant work, and it's done for
fre. When I do things for free on my own time out of the goodness of my
heart, I put limits on what I am willing to do because I have a life I
choose to lead, and it does not revolve around doing lots of drudge work
for
other people for free.

Frankly, it bothers me greatly that people see what is a wonderful, free
service as something to which they are entitled, and further something
which
they are entitled to be lazy about with someone else having to pick up the
slack on their behalf. That's just rude and insulting, and insinuates that

your time is so much more valuable than mine, and my effort does not count
for anything with you. And when people treat me like that, *I* generally
tell them to f@$%^*% off.

I consider formatting and dupe checking my own log to be a small price to
pay for getting a wonderful and FREE award from a FREE club. In fact, I'd
expect to be charged something for the time, postage, printing costs, and
so
on, and I am only too happy to format my logs to make it easy on those who
are providing ME with a FREE service. If getting a certificate is not
worth
the time it takes to dupe-check and format your log, DON'T SEND IN FOR ONE.

Really, it's that simple.

Sorry, I'll get off my soapbox now. But especially at the holiday season,
it chaps my hide to see someone whining about having to make an effort to
get something out of someone else for FREE. The folks who run this club do

a lot with little thanks and no pay, and only charitable contributions from

others to defray their own out-of-pocket costs. They ought to get more
donations and a rousing chorus of "thank you"s from all of us, not whinging

about the PITA of making their VOLUNTEER efforts easier by spending a few
minutes formatting your log before sending it in.

And on that note, best holiday wishes to all and sundry throughout the
Amateur radio world, to your families and communities, and so on. :)

! Adam Wade -==- 90 Zephyr 615 (Daphne) -=- 86 Ninja 250 (Iris) !
! "I write down everything I want to remember. That way, instead !
! of spending a lot of time trying to remember what it is I wrote !
! down, I spend z time looking for the paper I wrote it down on." !
! - Beryl Pfizer -=- AF6ME -=- http://www.allthings550.com !


Re: Member Upgrades

Jim Whittlesey KC4RHW <w4sci@...>
 

Well 800 members is not that many What if you had to keep up with 2514
members such as our Chapter has in fact our German net today had 37 check
ins, and there are that I know of 52 070 members in our chapter that I keep
track of just in our chapter,

So know what problem there are keeping up with records and logs with all
that said we wish ALL 070 Members a very Merry Christmas and a very
Prosperous Happy New year



73 Jim KC4RHW CCH/SCI 10x 57051 Senior Life Member

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From: 070@yahoogroups.com [mailto:070@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
Newsome
Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 12:28 PM
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [070] RE: Member Upgrades



I personally agree with the new ruling on the membership upgrades it takes a
lot of time of a volunteer member to keep up with 800 plus members to begin
with why do that!!!!. I do hope that the new member will stay and I see that
will be there but the thing that is especially troublesome is how the log is
supposed to be sent in a log is a log it shouldn' have to be in any special
format as long as the file is in adif format or in a form coming from a
logging program that states the stuff that is needed to prove the contact is
made .Why should a volunteer member or even a new member have to delete and
sort a log for any special purpose its a LOG folks!!. Well I've said my 2
cents worth Merry Christmas to all!!
Jeff kd4qit


Re: 070 CLub QSO level upgrades to end

Chuck Bridges
 

What I milestone, Jay! I won't relapse into a "I remember when . . . ."
Suffice it to say that the 070 members are part of the reason for the great
popularity for the mode.

Chuck Bridges, AK6DV, #153


Re: Member Upgrades

Jeff Newsome <jeffnjr484@...>
 

I personally agree with the new ruling on the membership upgrades it takes a lot of time of a volunteer member to keep up with 800 plus members to begin with why do that!!!!. I do hope that the new member will stay and I see that will be there but the thing that is especially troublesome is how the log is supposed to be sent in a log is a log it shouldn' have to be in any special format as long as the file is in adif format or in a form coming from a logging program that states the stuff that is needed to prove the contact is made .Why should a volunteer member or even a new member have to delete and sort a log for any special purpose its a LOG folks!!. Well I've said my 2 cents worth Merry Christmas to all!!
Jeff kd4qit


New member! # 815

Charlie Trice, K8IJ <ctrice@...>
 

Greetings all,

We are pleased to welcome our newest member to the PODXS 070 Club:

Member # 815, Tom, K8TOM

Welcome Tom!

The LONP pages and the Endorsement Standings at http://www.podxs070.com have
been updated.

Vy 73 and Happy Holidays to all,

Charlie, K8IJ


Wohoo 1st 30m DX

Scotty W7PSK
 

My Butternut working well and 30m can be fun. Just worked F2YT for my
first DX station.

Wheeee

Just a little thing for must but a biggie for me.


Scotty W7PSK


Re: Merry Christmas

Mike Besemer \(WM4B\) <mwbesemer@...>
 

Merry Christmas , Phil.



Thanks for the work you do.



Be safe.



73,



Mike

WM4B



From: 070@yahoogroups.com [mailto:070@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Phil
Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 8:50 AM
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [070] Re: Merry Christmas



Merry Christmas to all from YI land

Phil K1GMD

--- In 070@yahoogroups.com <mailto:070%40yahoogroups.com> , "Jim Whittlesey
KC4RHW" <w4sci@...>
wrote:

Just want to wish all in the 070 Group a very Merry Christmas and
a very
Happy New Year

and please say a prayer for all those who will not be at home who
are
serving in harm's way

so we may celebrate this day this in peace here at home

May God Bless them and God Bless America





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Re: Merry Christmas

Phil <poliver5@...>
 

Merry Christmas to all from YI land

Phil K1GMD



--- In 070@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Whittlesey KC4RHW" <w4sci@...>
wrote:

Just want to wish all in the 070 Group a very Merry Christmas and
a very
Happy New Year

and please say a prayer for all those who will not be at home who
are
serving in harm's way

so we may celebrate this day this in peace here at home

May God Bless them and God Bless America





73 Jim KC4RHW CCH/SCI 10x 57051 Senior Life Member

73 Mike W4ZYD CCH/SCI 10x 69769 Life Member

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Merry Christmas

Jim Whittlesey KC4RHW <w4sci@...>
 

Just want to wish all in the 070 Group a very Merry Christmas and a very
Happy New Year

and please say a prayer for all those who will not be at home who are
serving in harm's way

so we may celebrate this day this in peace here at home

May God Bless them and God Bless America





73 Jim KC4RHW CCH/SCI 10x 57051 Senior Life Member

73 Mike W4ZYD CCH/SCI 10x 69769 Life Member

Visit My Home page http://www.kc4rhw.com

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LONP #110 goes to...

Charlie Trice, K8IJ <ctrice@...>
 

Greetings all,

Larry, N5FPW, has submitted log evidence of 100 QSOs with fellow
members of the PODXS 070 Club to qualify for LONP certificate #110.

Congrats Larry!

The LONP web pages at http://www.podxs070.com/ have been updated.

Vy 73,

Charlie, K8IJ


070 CLub QSO level upgrades to end

J Budzowski <jbudzowski@...>
 

Effective 2400z, 31 Dec 2008, the option for 070 Club members to upgrade their QSO level ( i.e. QSO Spots) will end. The whole purpose of the QSO upgrades was to encourage on-the-air activity back when PSK31 was the new kid on the block and activity was sparse. Since then, PSK31 has become firmly established as a popular amateur digital mode and now it is quite easy to work 300 different stations on PSK31, making the member QSO level upgrades no longer necessary.
Requests for upgrades to 150 and 300 QSO levels will be honored until the end of this year. Complete information can be found on the 070 Club Manager's webpage http://www.podxs070.com//manager/. Please make sure that your submitted log info is sorted by callsign and in the correct form as noted on the manager's webpage. The 50 QSO/1 QSL requirement for 070 Club membership will remain in force...73 de Jay N3DQU


Re: 1KMK/MM??

Steve W3HF
 

I sent an eQsl so maybe I will get a response...
Only if he creates an eQSL account, which he hasn't done yet. None of
the versions of the "callsign" that he's used are currently listed on
eQSL.

Steve
W3HF


Re: 1KMK/MM??

Kim Jukes <kjukes@...>
 

I talked to : 1KMK/MM on Dec 14 on 20M he gave me grid
GM33hk..Middle Of the Atlantic.. name was Georg
PSK31...He said he was on the way to the Cape.. asked ship name and lost the psk signal with his relpy..
I wonder if I actually got a PIRATE... I sent an eQsl so maybe I will get a response...
I have searched his call and only find log entries on DXSummit wondering the same thing--who is he??
I also searched ship call signs and found no match for 1KMK...he is popular on 20meters only..

Scott
N0VPL

----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Flowers
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 3:20 PM
Subject: Re: [070] Re: 1KMK/MM??


From dxsummit.fi : "DL5UR anyone know what is 1KMK/0/MM (QRV PSK31
14.0700.8) ? didn'1441 05 Oct"

Looks like others are asking the same question ...

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 11:48 AM, Steve Melachrinos <w3hf@arrl.net> wrote:

> Just my opinion, but...
>
> > Is he an amateur why isn't he using his full call, and if not,
> > what is he doing on the 20M PSK freq if he isn't a ham??
>
> My guess is that he really isn't licensed (by anyone); otherwise he
> would be using his own callsign.
>
> Assuming that he really is /MM, if he stays in international waters,
> the only one he really has to answer to is the captain of the vessel
> he's on. (Although he'd technically be subject to the laws of the
> country in which the vessel is registered, I don't think any country
> takes that responsibility very seriously.) And I'd bet it's a private
> vessel, so it would be easy to get approval to operate.
>
> > I tried researching all the AA, K, N, W calls with 1KMK and nothing
> > matched his name (George).
>
> Given that he started in the Sea of Arabia in October and has been
> working his way around the world eastward, I'd guess he's not an
> American.
>
> Steve
> W3HF
>
>
>

--

73 de Mike, K6MKF


Membership certs mailed 12-19-08

J Budzowski <jbudzowski@...>
 

070 Club membership certificates have been sent out 06 Dec 2008 to the following members: KI4ZAK, AF6ME, K0CLW, VE2GHI, KD8BIN, AB3EO, N8XLS, NG7Z, K0FBV, WB4FSD, KA1JF, KD4VLF and KG6MZS. Pse send an email to n3dqu@yahoo.com when you get it so I know it has arrived safely...73 de Jay N3DQU


Re: 1KMK/MM??

Mike Flowers
 

From dxsummit.fi : "DL5UR anyone know what is 1KMK/0/MM (QRV PSK31
14.0700.8) ? didn'1441 05 Oct"

Looks like others are asking the same question ...

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 11:48 AM, Steve Melachrinos <w3hf@arrl.net> wrote:

Just my opinion, but...

Is he an amateur why isn't he using his full call, and if not,
what is he doing on the 20M PSK freq if he isn't a ham??
My guess is that he really isn't licensed (by anyone); otherwise he
would be using his own callsign.

Assuming that he really is /MM, if he stays in international waters,
the only one he really has to answer to is the captain of the vessel
he's on. (Although he'd technically be subject to the laws of the
country in which the vessel is registered, I don't think any country
takes that responsibility very seriously.) And I'd bet it's a private
vessel, so it would be easy to get approval to operate.

I tried researching all the AA, K, N, W calls with 1KMK and nothing
matched his name (George).
Given that he started in the Sea of Arabia in October and has been
working his way around the world eastward, I'd guess he's not an
American.

Steve
W3HF


--

73 de Mike, K6MKF


Re: 1KMK/MM??

Steve W3HF
 

Just my opinion, but...

Is he an amateur why isn't he using his full call, and if not,
what is he doing on the 20M PSK freq if he isn't a ham??
My guess is that he really isn't licensed (by anyone); otherwise he
would be using his own callsign.

Assuming that he really is /MM, if he stays in international waters,
the only one he really has to answer to is the captain of the vessel
he's on. (Although he'd technically be subject to the laws of the
country in which the vessel is registered, I don't think any country
takes that responsibility very seriously.) And I'd bet it's a private
vessel, so it would be easy to get approval to operate.

I tried researching all the AA, K, N, W calls with 1KMK and nothing
matched his name (George).
Given that he started in the Sea of Arabia in October and has been
working his way around the world eastward, I'd guess he's not an
American.

Steve
W3HF


1KMK/MM??

Frank Kisselbach
 

I guess my real question is Is he an amateur why isn't he using his full
call, and if not, what is he doing on the 20M PSK freq if he isn't a ham??
He seems to follow all the protocols.eg grid, name, rst etc. I tried
researching all the AA, K, N, W calls with 1KMK and nothing matched his name
(George).



Oh well



Frank W7PAQ