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Re: WARC BANDS

Richard B Drake
 

Well this opens up a whole discussion of how big is big and how small is small, and how many contesters does it take to annoy those who consider contests to be nothing more than a disruption to their normal activities. One of the great things about ham radio is that it's a hobby of many facets. When we get tired of one we can enjoy another. I enjoy contesting and often take part but I also have a regular weekly schedule with some of my oldest and dearest friends on 15 meters every Saturday morning. On contest weekends we QSY to 17 meters where propagation is not quite as good for us but at least we can hold a clear frequency for an hour or so. Don't even think about stepping on that. There is enough space for contesting without infringing on the WARC bands. We can and should honor the original gentlemen's agreement and keep all contests off the WARC bands without exception.
 
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73, Rich - W3ZJ
 

 -----Original Message-----
From: spdomingue@... [mailto:spdomingue@...]
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 7:48 PM
To: 070@...
Subject: [070] WARC BANDS

OK I can understand the ARRL point of no contesting for Field day and any big
event but I don't see a problem with us on there for the TDW event.

I will go with the powers that be say, is fine with me.
Without the WARC bands it will be a little easier to find everyone.

I should have the new antenna up by then so that should help me here anyway,
maybe I can even print a DL station or two that would be special here have
not seen any DL stations here since the DX-DL award came out.

N6YIH/7
Boise Home of the BIG pile ups! HI HI

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Re: WARC BANDS

John AG4CZ <ag4cz@...>
 

I too can understand the ARRL's point of view. This is only a point
of view as far as we go, we are not bound to their decision or
the 'gentleman's agreement'. However, the 'gentleman's agreement' has
one big point going for it. It rules out the whole discussion of how
much contesting is too much on these bands. By following it there is
no decision to be made nor line to creep forward.
More appropriate to answer may be, do we want to be the one's who
broke the 'agreement'?
In the end it doesn't really matter as long as 'we' have more fun
than headache doing it.
73
John AG4CZ
OK I can understand the ARRL point of no contesting for Field day
and any big
event but I don't see a problem with us on there for the TDW event.


Re: WARC BANDS

N3DQU@...
 

In a message dated 5/9/2001 10:37:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
spdomingue@aol.com writes:

Without the WARC bands it will be a little easier to find everyone.
Hey, don't be such a pushover STeve...I don't have a problem runnin' the
TDW on 17 es 12m....'dqu.


WARC BANDS

spdomingue@...
 

OK I can understand the ARRL point of no contesting for Field day and any big
event but I don't see a problem with us on there for the TDW event.

I will go with the powers that be say, is fine with me.
Without the WARC bands it will be a little easier to find everyone.

I should have the new antenna up by then so that should help me here anyway,
maybe I can even print a DL station or two that would be special here have
not seen any DL stations here since the DX-DL award came out.

N6YIH/7
Boise Home of the BIG pile ups! HI HI


contesting on the WARC bands

N3DQU@...
 

Subj: RE: contesting on the WARC bands
Date: 5/9/2001 6:15:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time
From: sford@arrl.org (Ford, Steve, WB8IMY)
To: N3DQU@aol.com ('N3DQU@aol.com ')

Jay:

There is a general agreement in the contest community (and all ARRL contests
adhere to the agreement)that the WARC bands should be off-limits to
contesting. This prohibition has been respected ever since the WARC bands
were opened for amateur use. The idea is to set aside spectrum for
non-contesters that would be free of interference even during the most
popular contests.

73 . . . Steve Ford, WB8IMY
QST Editor

Above is the official word from Newington re contesting on the WARC bands.
There is a thread on this topic at contesting.com that you may want to read
up on btw,
as there is/was some discussion going on as to whether the WARC bands should
be
reserved as sacred ground for the non-contester. From what I read there, the
ARRL
actually allowed Field Day contacts on the WARC bands at one time, but has
since
changed the rules.
Here are some thoughts on the subject from this end. Personally, I think
the WARC
bands are sorely underused and at a time when the commercial interests are
doing a
smash and grab for every bit of spectrum they can get their hands on,
Newington should
be promoting activity on underused bands, not chasing activity away. If some
big
communications conglomerate had their eye on 17m for some planned system for
example,
don't you think the ARRL would suddenly be forced to change their position on
this subject
and yell "QST everybody QSY to 17m contesters included" to show them how
important this
band is to the hamming community? You bet your Aunt Martha's socks they would!
Secondly, I would like to point out that altho contesting is not done on
the WARC
bands, the DXCC does encourage dx-peditions to go there by giving country
credit for
stations worked on those bands. So why is a 10 kHz pileup for Spratly Island
acceptable
QRM to the non-contester, but a 1 kHz pileup for N6YIH/7 is not?
And finally, I would like to note that altho some members of PODXS are
also members
of the ARRL (myself included), the Penn-Ohio DX Society is not affiliated
with the ARRL, never
has been and never will. Nothing against the ARRL mind you (well....), but
when we organized
PODXS we set it up purposely as an independent ham club, so that we could
steer our own
course, not to be subject to the whims and caprices of others.
So is contesting on the WARC bands illegal? No!
Is it against the current practice of the ham radio community? Yes!
Would we get into trouble if we held the TDW on the WARC bands? No!
Your thoughts on this topic greatly apprecated. If it appears that there is
much anxiety against
holding the TDW on the WARC bands, then we can change the rules. A member
survey might
be in order. Consider this however....
THE TDW COULD BE THE BOSTON TEA PARTY OF HAM RADIO! Jay, N3DQU.


Re: contesting on the WARC bands

melachri@...
 

Let me put my two cents' worth in here ...

I think there's a big difference between a major contest (Field Day, Sweepstakes, etc) and
the TDW in terms of the amount of activity that will be generated. I doubt if the (at
most) 75 of us will generate much traffic at all, in comparison to the rest of the hams on
the bands.

Given that, I doubt if anyone would care very much if there are a few folks calling "CQ
070" on any band, 30m included. As long as there aren't ten signals in a row, all sounding
the same (like in the Rumble a few weeks ago), it probably won't even be obvious that
we're running a contest.

There's actually very little difference between calling "CQ 070" and "CQ RSARS", for
example. (I remember a few months ago wishing that one Scotland station would call a
general CQ, instead of being so restrictive.)

Finally, there's nothing to stop any of us (short of equipment limitations--hi) from
calling a general CQ on any band at all. If you get an 070er in response, great--that QSO
counts. If it's not one of "us," then a short QSO with someone else won't take much time.
(I know that at least two of my QSOs during the Rumble were with non-contesting DX
stations. I held a short, pleasant QSO, and then put them in the log. The info they
transmitted included more than enough for the required exchange, and I DIDN'T say "that's
enough--I just need your name for the contest." I didn't work anyone, though, who
specifically said "no contesters.")

Just my thoughts ....

Steve
W3HF



Subj: RE: contesting on the WARC bands
Date: 5/9/2001 6:15:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time
From: sford@arrl.org (Ford, Steve, WB8IMY)
To: N3DQU@aol.com ('N3DQU@aol.com ')

Jay:

There is a general agreement in the contest community (and all ARRL contests
adhere to the agreement)that the WARC bands should be off-limits to
contesting. This prohibition has been respected ever since the WARC bands
were opened for amateur use. The idea is to set aside spectrum for
non-contesters that would be free of interference even during the most
popular contests.

73 . . . Steve Ford, WB8IMY
QST Editor

Above is the official word from Newington re contesting on the WARC bands.
There is a thread on this topic at contesting.com that you may want to read
up on btw,
as there is/was some discussion going on as to whether the WARC bands should
be
reserved as sacred ground for the non-contester. From what I read there, the
ARRL
actually allowed Field Day contacts on the WARC bands at one time, but has
since
changed the rules.
Here are some thoughts on the subject from this end. Personally, I think
the WARC
bands are sorely underused and at a time when the commercial interests are
doing a
smash and grab for every bit of spectrum they can get their hands on,
Newington should
be promoting activity on underused bands, not chasing activity away. If some
big
communications conglomerate had their eye on 17m for some planned system for
example,
don't you think the ARRL would suddenly be forced to change their position on
this subject
and yell "QST everybody QSY to 17m contesters included" to show them how
important this
band is to the hamming community? You bet your Aunt Martha's socks they would!
Secondly, I would like to point out that altho contesting is not done on
the WARC
bands, the DXCC does encourage dx-peditions to go there by giving country
credit for
stations worked on those bands. So why is a 10 kHz pileup for Spratly Island
acceptable
QRM to the non-contester, but a 1 kHz pileup for N6YIH/7 is not?
And finally, I would like to note that altho some members of PODXS are
also members
of the ARRL (myself included), the Penn-Ohio DX Society is not affiliated
with the ARRL, never
has been and never will. Nothing against the ARRL mind you (well....), but
when we organized
PODXS we set it up purposely as an independent ham club, so that we could
steer our own
course, not to be subject to the whims and caprices of others.
So is contesting on the WARC bands illegal? No!
Is it against the current practice of the ham radio community? Yes!
Would we get into trouble if we held the TDW on the WARC bands? No!
Your thoughts on this topic greatly apprecated. If it appears that there is
much anxiety against
holding the TDW on the WARC bands, then we can change the rules. A member
survey might
be in order. Consider this however....
THE TDW COULD BE THE BOSTON TEA PARTY OF HAM RADIO! Jay, N3DQU.

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Re: contesting on the WARC bands

melachri@...
 

Missed this the first time through ...

QRM to the non-contester, but a 1 kHz pileup for N6YIH/7 is not?

??? A pileup for YIH???? We're not THAT desperate, are we?





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contesting on the WARC bands

N3DQU@...
 


Re: 070 TDW MAX Scores

Ernest Mills <emills@...>
 

Ugmm! You guys sound quite confident about using the WARC bands. I must admit it is a shock to me. I've been contesting fer quite a few years and there is NEVER any contest activity on the WARC bands indeed I thought it was a NO NO.  There is a change that we could start some real "nasty-grams" on this one. My suggestion is to contact Steve Ford, WB8IMY at the ARRL and ask !  His email is sford@...    73 Ernie

----- Original Message -----
To: 070@...
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 9:40 PM
Subject: Re: [070] 070 TDW MAX Scores

Well, the rules said even the WARC bands (NO 30m)
So that's why I added them in. and you believe we should not use the WARC
bands?

Is this true??
N6YIH/7 ??
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Re: 070 TDW MAX Scores

Stephen J. Melachrinos <melachri@...>
 

Couple of comments:

Oooooo! contesting on the WARC bands ???? de Ernie WM2U
I thought only 30m was off-limits for contesting? Steve didn't
include it in his calculations.

----- Original Message -----
From: spdomingue@aol.com
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 8:04 PM
Subject: [070] 070 TDW MAX Scores


Just something to shoot for:

Here is the max score you could get should we only have 75 members
and you
work them all:

9 bands 55,125
8 bands 49,000
7 bands 42,875
6 bands 36,750
5 bands 30,625
4 bands 24,500
3 bands 18,375
2 bands 12,255
And if W3HF does not get the new radio his score could be 6,125 for
just 20 meters.

The bands I used were 160, 80, 40, 20, 17, 15, 12, 10 and 6
meters.
I came at it a little differently. First of all, if there are 75 members, I
don't think you count working yourself, so there are only 74 that will
count.

Second, if I DON'T get a multiband radio, then the only band you'll
be able to get me on is 20m. That means that there will be 73
members you can work up to 9 times (once per band), and then
me only once. With these mods in place, the revised totals are:

9 bands 53,192
8 bands 47,290
7 bands 41,388
6 bands 35,486
5 bands 29,584
4 bands 23,682
3 bands 17,780
2 bands 11,878
1 band 5,976

I guess this proves that I have too much time on my hands, too!

Steve
W3HF


Re: 070 TDW MAX Scores

Ernest Mills <emills@...>
 

Oooooo! contesting on the WARC bands ???? de Ernie WM2U

----- Original Message -----
To: 070@...
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 8:04 PM
Subject: [070] 070 TDW MAX Scores

Just something to shoot for:

Here is the max score you could get should we only have 75 members and you
work them all:

9 bands 55,125
8 bands 49,000
7 bands 42,875
6 bands 36,750
5 bands 30,625
4 bands 24,500
3 bands 18,375
2 bands 12,255
And if W3HF does not get the new radio his score could be 6,125 for just 20
meters.

The bands I used was 160, 80, 40, 20, 17, 15, 12, 10 and 6 meters.

Well guess I have too much time on my hands and just playing around, So hope
to see you all out here on the 070 TDW event,

Have fun N6YIH/7
Steve D

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contesting on the warc bands

N3DQU@...
 

Well guys, I was always under the impression that contesting was only a
no-no on 30m, because outside of the US there are non-amateur, primary users
on that band that we dont want to interfere with....I always figured that the
major contests didnt run on the other two warc bands cuz most everybody can
work 20,15 es 10, not sure what the allocations are for dx stations on the
warc bands...But I will send an email to the powers that be in Newington es
find out the straight scoop...Jay, N3DQU.


WARC Bands

spdomingue@...
 

Steve Ford of the ARRL,
The question came up can we use the WARC bands for a contest?
We know that 30 meters is a no but what about the others? 12, and 17
are these also NO contesting?

Thanks for the Help

N6YIH/7
Steve Dominguez


Re: 070 TDW MAX Scores

spdomingue@...
 

I stand corrected. So there they are the Top Scores wonder if anyone will
make them all?

I am ready to try to contact all the members but don't think I can make
everyone on all the bands I well give them all a try.


Re: 070 TDW MAX Scores

spdomingue@...
 

Well, the rules said even the WARC bands (NO 30m)
So that's why I added them in. and you believe we should not use the WARC
bands?

Is this true??
N6YIH/7 ??


070 TDW MAX Scores

spdomingue@...
 

Just something to shoot for:

Here is the max score you could get should we only have 75 members and you
work them all:

9 bands 55,125
8 bands 49,000
7 bands 42,875
6 bands 36,750
5 bands 30,625
4 bands 24,500
3 bands 18,375
2 bands 12,255
And if W3HF does not get the new radio his score could be 6,125 for just 20
meters.

The bands I used was 160, 80, 40, 20, 17, 15, 12, 10 and 6 meters.

Well guess I have too much time on my hands and just playing around, So hope
to see you all out here on the 070 TDW event,

Have fun N6YIH/7
Steve D


Re: aa8qq can u read this?

Ernest Mills <emills@...>
 

Yea! ur 599-NY QSL? de WM2U

----- Original Message -----
From: <AA8QQ@aol.com>
To: <070@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2001 8:33 PM
Subject: Re: [070] aa8qq can u read this?


yea, I can read, can you???
de 8qq/3


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spdomingue@...
 

This is Steve D
599 100% copy in Boise Idaho via AOL


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AA8QQ@...
 

looks like it. I been gettin the reflector. mebbe wanna check with Steve D.
de 8qq/3


Re: aa8qq can u read this?

AA8QQ@...
 

yea, I can read, can you???
de 8qq/3

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