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Re: Estate of Silent Key

Barry VA7GEM
 

On Wed, Jun 30, 2021 at 11:59 AM, N6MG - Milt. wrote:
By agreement with a local ham friend, (my other friend, per Sandy, my XYL), he will handle the sale. 
I totally trust him. 

That's all.
Milt.
N6MG
070-650
LONP #76
Milt
I Totally agree with this statement as my only friend (per XYL) and I have same
agreement. We are both in our 70's and both have heart issues. Now when we 
get together we tease each other about who will get stuck with the chore as first
one out escapes all obligations and second has to find a new buddy. We keep
debating the need for a plan "B" and laughing about the fact we have no young friends.
cheers
Barry


Re: Solar panels and radio

Eric KG6MZS
 

The subject reminds me of an old joke among guitarists:

A guitarist has a nightmare.  In his nightmare he dies and his wife sells his guitars for what he told her he paid for them.

:)

Might work for some hams too.

A little levity in an otherwise morbid subject

73 Eric, KG6MZS


Re: Estate of Silent Key

 

Mike...
All of Steve's 1, 2 & 3 have good points & suggestions.

I've personally handled equipment selling for the XYL's of S/K's (damnit) on 2 different occasions.
One thing of note, and I did it the same both times.
Include a 2nd person on the inventorying & evaluation of the equipment.
I had anticipated no problems, had no problems, and in fact, a 2nd set of eyes was a good resource.

NOW, what did I learn? I learned that I need to keep and informal type inventory, on paper, not on a computer, of most all of my equipment. I've also included the gear I've loaned to hams. Both temp and for extended times.  That being radio's, amplifiers and higher value items. I do not put a dollar value on any of it. By agreement with a local ham friend, (my other friend, per Sandy, my XYL), he will handle the sale. 
I totally trust him. 

That's all.
Milt.
N6MG
070-650
LONP #76

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve VA3FLF/KM4FLF via groups.io <oldjavadrinker@...>
To: main@070Club.groups.io
Sent: Wed, Jun 30, 2021 10:11 am
Subject: Re: [070Club] Estate of Silent Key

Mike,

My condolences to the family of the SK. To be honest, the sale of estate gear can really turn in to a big headache. Our club has had three of these SK estates in the last year or two. We have tried to do this differently each time and I am not sure if any option is better than the other. Here are the three ways we have dot this:

1. Appoint a club member / estate manager (honest and compassionate) and have him arrange to meet with the widow or family. View all the equipment and decide what has real value and what doesn't. Honestly, we all know hams collect so much stuff. I have 4 or 5 totes in the garage right now of stuff that is useless after I am gone. Decide on whether the family wants a percentage of the items that are sold and agree to some percentage for the club. We used 15-20%  to family and 5-10% for club. The manager can either post items among club members, or sell online, or swap meets / hamfest.  We had a special swap meet with a nearby club and sold some of the items that way.

2. Point them to a club member or someone that is a "hamfest vendor." Let them negotiate with the family for items. Only problem with this method, is sometimes, not all, of these hamfest dealers can be a bit scrupulous. We have all seen them. Do not let them take advantage of the family.

3. Donate the estate to a school club, school station or even the club for a club station. This turned out to be the easiest and the best way to take care of the equipment. When I am gone I would hope my stuff finds a good home. I would be proud of knowing my station went to a school club or STEM.

For the rest of us, make your wishes known to your family ahead of time. Please, do not leave your poor wife or husband to wonder what to do with all that stuff in the shack. I have known of equipment being stored for years because the survivors have no idea what to do with it. None of these options are easy and you just have to decide which route to take based on the situation. Heck you might even just want to stay out of the whole mess if you have a bunch of greedy children looking to make a buck off of dad or grandpas passing.

We found that number three was the best way to handle the estate. No one is taken advantage of, no one gets ripped off, no one complains about not getting to bid on a radio. This particular SK 's equipment went to a high school station in the new technology center being built. The widow made the right decision.

Hope that helps,

Steve
VA3FLF /KM4FLF


Re: Solar panels and radio

Bob Motyl KK6KMU
 

Tom,

Thanks for your input.  My research is showing me that distance away from the solar panels does reduce the noise.  Ferrite beads and toroid's have minimal affect mitigating RFI.  Until I find some test data I skeptical on ferrite effectiveness.  I'm still researching.

Bob
KK6KMU 


Re: Estate of Silent Key

Barry VA7GEM
 

Mike
This is quite an open ended question to provide a concise answer.
If the SK had a couple HTs it is easy. If he was a collector of fine old
rigs it becomes a different issue. If he is an average ham with one nice rig,
a couple HTs, a small tower, and misc bits maybe someone new in your
club would be interested in a package deal. Again if an average estate
then possibly a club member or close friend could volunteer to be a
disposal agent. If you have a local radio shop, they may be interested in
purchasing the estate and selling it off.
good luck 
Barry


Re: Estate of Silent Key

Jerry N9AVY
 

The problem is how to get the most cash for the widow as that was her money that was spent on ham equipment, too.

We had a couple of estate sales run by a local (KK9DX) who wasn't in it to make any profit for himself. Cornel was one truly honest ham that I've ever met. I bought a TS-570S for about $500 and the cash went to window. Also, bought some antennas and an O  scope

I knew both silent keys and paid decent $$$ for their equipment.

As for clubs I wouldn't be too hopeful about them.  Our local club had a lot of SK & donated equipment. The club loaned out some of the equipment, but later put it all up for auction ata meeting.  Everything went far too cheap... like a Drake TR-7 station for under $100. There were a bunch of bargain hunters there and they walked off with equipment too cheap.

My suggestion is to find someone who is honest enough to ask reasonable prices and to make as much $$$$ for the widow without letting friends walk away with "steals".   A few years back I visited an estate sale for a SK and was shocked to see one person walk away with the lion's share for $200.  Later wrote an article for Eham entitled "Beware the Vultures".  It was later picked up and republished by a few clubs. 

I would avoid those sites which offer to sell SK estates. I read one of them and they take a profit plus shipping and decided it was a money making scheme.

73,  Jerry  n9avy






On Wednesday, June 30, 2021, 12:11:04 PM CDT, Steve VA3FLF/KM4FLF via groups.io <oldjavadrinker@...> wrote:


Mike,

My condolences to the family of the SK. To be honest, the sale of estate gear can really turn in to a big headache. Our club has had three of these SK estates in the last year or two. We have tried to do this differently each time and I am not sure if any option is better than the other. Here are the three ways we have dot this:

1. Appoint a club member / estate manager (honest and compassionate) and have him arrange to meet with the widow or family. View all the equipment and decide what has real value and what doesn't. Honestly, we all know hams collect so much stuff. I have 4 or 5 totes in the garage right now of stuff that is useless after I am gone. Decide on whether the family wants a percentage of the items that are sold and agree to some percentage for the club. We used 15-20%  to family and 5-10% for club. The manager can either post items among club members, or sell online, or swap meets / hamfest.  We had a special swap meet with a nearby club and sold some of the items that way.

2. Point them to a club member or someone that is a "hamfest vendor." Let them negotiate with the family for items. Only problem with this method, is sometimes, not all, of these hamfest dealers can be a bit scrupulous. We have all seen them. Do not let them take advantage of the family.

3. Donate the estate to a school club, school station or even the club for a club station. This turned out to be the easiest and the best way to take care of the equipment. When I am gone I would hope my stuff finds a good home. I would be proud of knowing my station went to a school club or STEM.

For the rest of us, make your wishes known to your family ahead of time. Please, do not leave your poor wife or husband to wonder what to do with all that stuff in the shack. I have known of equipment being stored for years because the survivors have no idea what to do with it. None of these options are easy and you just have to decide which route to take based on the situation. Heck you might even just want to stay out of the whole mess if you have a bunch of greedy children looking to make a buck off of dad or grandpas passing.

We found that number three was the best way to handle the estate. No one is taken advantage of, no one gets ripped off, no one complains about not getting to bid on a radio. This particular SK 's equipment went to a high school station in the new technology center being built. The widow made the right decision.

Hope that helps,

Steve
VA3FLF /KM4FLF


Re: Solar panels and radio

K8TOM
 

Bob,

We had a 9.6 KW  stand-alone (not rooftop) tilting solar array installed in 2017 and advised the installer/contractor about RFI.  Consequently he chose micro-inverters made by Blue Frog. 

I saw no difference in my bands before and after turning on the array, which easily powers my house and sells power back to the utility, reducing my monthly bills.

Tom
K8TOM
815


Re: Estate of Silent Key

Steve VA3FLF/KM4FLF
 

Mike,

My condolences to the family of the SK. To be honest, the sale of estate gear can really turn in to a big headache. Our club has had three of these SK estates in the last year or two. We have tried to do this differently each time and I am not sure if any option is better than the other. Here are the three ways we have dot this:

1. Appoint a club member / estate manager (honest and compassionate) and have him arrange to meet with the widow or family. View all the equipment and decide what has real value and what doesn't. Honestly, we all know hams collect so much stuff. I have 4 or 5 totes in the garage right now of stuff that is useless after I am gone. Decide on whether the family wants a percentage of the items that are sold and agree to some percentage for the club. We used 15-20%  to family and 5-10% for club. The manager can either post items among club members, or sell online, or swap meets / hamfest.  We had a special swap meet with a nearby club and sold some of the items that way.

2. Point them to a club member or someone that is a "hamfest vendor." Let them negotiate with the family for items. Only problem with this method, is sometimes, not all, of these hamfest dealers can be a bit scrupulous. We have all seen them. Do not let them take advantage of the family.

3. Donate the estate to a school club, school station or even the club for a club station. This turned out to be the easiest and the best way to take care of the equipment. When I am gone I would hope my stuff finds a good home. I would be proud of knowing my station went to a school club or STEM.

For the rest of us, make your wishes known to your family ahead of time. Please, do not leave your poor wife or husband to wonder what to do with all that stuff in the shack. I have known of equipment being stored for years because the survivors have no idea what to do with it. None of these options are easy and you just have to decide which route to take based on the situation. Heck you might even just want to stay out of the whole mess if you have a bunch of greedy children looking to make a buck off of dad or grandpas passing.

We found that number three was the best way to handle the estate. No one is taken advantage of, no one gets ripped off, no one complains about not getting to bid on a radio. This particular SK 's equipment went to a high school station in the new technology center being built. The widow made the right decision.

Hope that helps,

Steve
VA3FLF /KM4FLF


Re: Estate of Silent Key

 

I saw a website once called Hamestate.com and they might be one place to check out.

John
KC3FL


Re: Solar panels and radio

Bob Motyl KK6KMU
 

John,

I took your suggestion and this is the answer I got.  Thought I'd share it with the group.

Question:  Are there any products that mitigate the RFI noise caused by solar panels? Specifically panels with micro inverters. I have found some products but nothing to document the effectiveness is referenced. 


Answer:  
Hello,

 

Great question - unfortunately there are so many variations on solar controllers out there, there is no one-size fits all solution. 

 

Your best bet is to contact the company that installed the system and complain about the RF interference - they may have a specific kit that can be installed.

 

The ARRL is actively working on complaints and with solar manufacturers about this RFI problem.

 

A good resource of info is the RFI Reflector http://lists.contesting.com/archives//html/RFI/

 

Good luck & 73,

 

Tom, KB8UUZ

DX Engineering


Bob
KK6kmu


Estate of Silent Key

Mike W4BZM
 

One of the members of our local radio club has been asked to help dispose of the ham radio equipment of a recent Silent Key.  He is wondering if there are any Standard Practices or recommendations available, so he does not have to reinvent the wheel.  Right now he is researching Google and YouTube.  

 

Does anyone in the group have experience with a similar situation?  Have any suggestions I could pass on to him, based on experience?

 

73, 

Mike W4BZM


Re: 365 Need Dates – July / August

Geary McDowell
 

Thanks to John with the magic hexbeam in Inverse, FL (KC3FL) with whom I have frequent qsos, I have wrapped up all the dates in June.  My Whataburger app for supper was being a pain and I was afraid I might not get on here in time.  HI HI
Thank you John, you always have a great signal. 
Now on to July 2, 11, 15, and 18.
WOW, there were three stations on, now my waterfall is totally dried up like a bad drought!
73 everyone, Geary KE5IRK in SW Oklahoma

On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 3:53 PM Geary McDowell via groups.io <ke5irk=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Thanks Jim, I got one for today.  Resting my back after two intense days of travel.  I’ll be back on around 0000UTC to try to get one for the 30th as I have cataract exams tomorrow and I’m not sure if I’ll be able to see for hours after. LOL. I should have rescheduled it! HI HI Thanks snd we are close but I’ve made contacts within 5 miles on 20 during the day voice and 160 to CA during the day in 2018.  
74, Geary KE5IRK 

On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 2:21 PM Jim K5SP <jinnis@...> wrote:

Geary, I just saw this, are you still on.  I will try, but we may be too close for 20M.

Jim K5SP

On 6/29/2021 12:10 PM, Geary McDowell wrote:
I had to wrap up Field Day early and get on the road to a family member's funeral on Monday, and today seems like Monday instead of Tuesday and had I not been needing the date on something I would have totally missed today.  So, I'm trying to find someone on 20M to get one of my last needed contacts for the 366 endorsement.
I'll be calling CQ 366 de KE5IRK if you see me.
I will check other bands at times too just in case that is the "conditions" are working today.  HI HI
73, Geary KE5IRK just after noon on the 29th CDST.

On Mon, Jun 28, 2021 at 10:23 PM stan W9SMR <robinstan@...> wrote:

It is great to see enthusiasm mounting to grab that 365/366 Endorsement. The new 365 Chat that KB3RAN set up should be a big help in coordinating. It has certainly helped him as he now needs only August 23 to complete his 366 Award level.

 

We have an URGENT need to finish off these June need dates:

 

 

A helpful hint from KA5VZG is to check each day around 2345Z and hang around until after 0000Z to see if you can pick up two days. Be sure to call CQ 365 to make your needs known.

 

In the table below I have shown July and August need dates for those members needing fewer than 61 days total. These are the folks really getting close. Be sure to look for them. Use the 365 Chat to announce your own needs and hopefully you will punch through and grab those needed dates.



I will publish this table periodically as the time approaches. Best of luck and good Propagation to boot! Please verify your own need dates as I may have missed some.

 

To see what dates you need, upload your full log and check the "Online Endorsement Checker". In the "In Progress" section, click on "Target" for the 360 category and a list of needed dates will show. If you have a problem seeing that, please just let me know.

 

Even if you have worked a fellow member before, please answer that CQ 365 call. Let’s make 366 happen for as many as we can.

 

For the 365 Chat, follow this link: 365 Chat

 

73

Stan

W9SMR - 070  #1611

PODXS 070 - PR Director



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When all else fails, Amateur Radio works.

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Jim,  K5SP #483
Executive Director/Member Services Director

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Re: Uploads

JoAnn Donaldson
 

My suggestion is to start a GoFund and ask all the members to contribute. For a reasonable price you can get a SQL Database, all the SQL scripts and even tied into the Website. If the Club has an 503C, many Database Companies may even give you a database for FREE or a very reduced fee. I am on the board of directors for an non-profit here in Dallas, TX. We needed a Database and all three of the Companies we contacted quoted us a very reduced rate because of being a non-profit and having 503C status and handled all the scripting for us. My computer skills are on par for an retired DEA CSI but not at the level of a Database Expert. I am sure that if you put out a message that a lot of Database Experts would come to your aid and advise you.

On Tuesday, June 29, 2021, 6:57:42 PM CDT, Stephen Melachrinos via groups.io <melachri@...> wrote:


JoAnn -

That's one of the fundamental problems. 

Our current database is based on a set of GoogleSheet files--it's not a conventional relational database. It was built using free Google tools and was limited by what was available at the time. Now that Google has deprecated the old API, and because we don't have access to the original source code (to even determine if fixes were possible), we're crippled. 

I'm sorry to disappoint you with this. I'm not a database architect (or even a software expert), so I only understand what you are saying at a top level. But I do know enough to say that although your examples may work for SQL-based database, they don't work on the flat files of GoogleSheets, at least not the way they are implemented now.

All of this code was written within the past ten years, so criticizing us as not being in the 21st century is a bit unfair. It's unfortunate that the GoogleSheets implementation was chosen, but we had a member a few years ago that coded this up for us, using 21st century tools from Google. At the time, we didn't have any other options, and we had not idea that Google would deprecate the very functions we were using.

As Steve FLF said, if this is something where you have skills to contribute, you could offer to help our volunteer software team. Let us know.

And if you have any other questions, I'd be glad to engage is an email dialogue with you. That may be better to do offline, as we'd probably digress into deeper topics than most of the members are interested in. Feel free to email me directly at w3hf@....

73,
Steve
W3HF


-----Original Message-----
From: JoAnn Donaldson via groups.io <joannplano2005@...>
To: main@070club.groups.io <main@070club.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Jun 29, 2021 7:28 pm
Subject: [070Club] Uploads

I don't know what kind of Database the 070 Club uses but almost every database I have used, you can upload one record or thousands and it will not affect any of the records already stored. As for doing corrections, it is a simple SQL script that will cause the record in question to be over written with the new record. Also uploading already existing records can either cause all the existing records to be over written or duplicate records to be installed. To display a persons awards, again it is a simple script that will go thru the database, find that persons entries and display them to the screen. Also by using a person's callsign as the key field, the database can hold everyone that uploads to it. With the key field being the persons callsign allows the Sql script to see only those records that relate to the user. So there is no reason to upload ones entire log. Seems to me that the 070 really needs to be brought into the 21th Century.

JoAnn
AB8YZ


Re: Uploads2

 

When your call shows up at the top of the list, hit the refresh button.  Don't hit the refresh button before your call moves up or I think you will disconnect and your call will just sit there and do nothing.

John
KC3FL


Re: Uploads2

JoAnn Donaldson
 

That is a problem that needs to be fixed. Also it said I could apply for 4 awards. I clicked on all 4 and it then said I had another Award I could apply for. So I clicked on it and it displayed the 4 awards I had already said I could apply for. it just keeps on switching between the 4 then the 1 and back to the 4. Also I can not download the Membership Award because my callsign is NOT in the list.


JoAnn
AB8YZ.

On Tuesday, June 29, 2021, 6:51:07 PM CDT, Stephen Melachrinos via groups.io <melachri@...> wrote:


You may need to refresh the page--there's a button on page to do that. 

When I look at the page now, it's done.

Steve
W3HF


-----Original Message-----
From: JoAnn Donaldson via groups.io <joannplano2005@...>
To: main@070club.groups.io <main@070club.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Jun 29, 2021 7:38 pm
Subject: [070Club] Uploads2

So I made a ADIF of ALL my PSK contacts and uploaded it to the Awards Progress Checker. It has been sitting there for 6 minutes saying "RUNNING". How long does it take before it reports back and I look at the awards listing?

JoAnn
AB8YZ


Re: Uploads

Stephen Melachrinos
 

JoAnn -

That's one of the fundamental problems. 

Our current database is based on a set of GoogleSheet files--it's not a conventional relational database. It was built using free Google tools and was limited by what was available at the time. Now that Google has deprecated the old API, and because we don't have access to the original source code (to even determine if fixes were possible), we're crippled. 

I'm sorry to disappoint you with this. I'm not a database architect (or even a software expert), so I only understand what you are saying at a top level. But I do know enough to say that although your examples may work for SQL-based database, they don't work on the flat files of GoogleSheets, at least not the way they are implemented now.

All of this code was written within the past ten years, so criticizing us as not being in the 21st century is a bit unfair. It's unfortunate that the GoogleSheets implementation was chosen, but we had a member a few years ago that coded this up for us, using 21st century tools from Google. At the time, we didn't have any other options, and we had not idea that Google would deprecate the very functions we were using.

As Steve FLF said, if this is something where you have skills to contribute, you could offer to help our volunteer software team. Let us know.

And if you have any other questions, I'd be glad to engage is an email dialogue with you. That may be better to do offline, as we'd probably digress into deeper topics than most of the members are interested in. Feel free to email me directly at w3hf@....

73,
Steve
W3HF


-----Original Message-----
From: JoAnn Donaldson via groups.io <joannplano2005@...>
To: main@070club.groups.io <main@070club.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Jun 29, 2021 7:28 pm
Subject: [070Club] Uploads

I don't know what kind of Database the 070 Club uses but almost every database I have used, you can upload one record or thousands and it will not affect any of the records already stored. As for doing corrections, it is a simple SQL script that will cause the record in question to be over written with the new record. Also uploading already existing records can either cause all the existing records to be over written or duplicate records to be installed. To display a persons awards, again it is a simple script that will go thru the database, find that persons entries and display them to the screen. Also by using a person's callsign as the key field, the database can hold everyone that uploads to it. With the key field being the persons callsign allows the Sql script to see only those records that relate to the user. So there is no reason to upload ones entire log. Seems to me that the 070 really needs to be brought into the 21th Century.

JoAnn
AB8YZ


Re: Uploads2

Stephen Melachrinos
 

You may need to refresh the page--there's a button on page to do that. 

When I look at the page now, it's done.

Steve
W3HF


-----Original Message-----
From: JoAnn Donaldson via groups.io <joannplano2005@...>
To: main@070club.groups.io <main@070club.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Jun 29, 2021 7:38 pm
Subject: [070Club] Uploads2

So I made a ADIF of ALL my PSK contacts and uploaded it to the Awards Progress Checker. It has been sitting there for 6 minutes saying "RUNNING". How long does it take before it reports back and I look at the awards listing?

JoAnn
AB8YZ


Uploads2

JoAnn Donaldson
 

So I made a ADIF of ALL my PSK contacts and uploaded it to the Awards Progress Checker. It has been sitting there for 6 minutes saying "RUNNING". How long does it take before it reports back and I look at the awards listing?

JoAnn
AB8YZ


Re: Uploads

Steve VA3FLF/KM4FLF
 

Sounds like a volunteer to update all the club online functions....sign em up!

Steve
2301


Uploads

JoAnn Donaldson
 

I don't know what kind of Database the 070 Club uses but almost every database I have used, you can upload one record or thousands and it will not affect any of the records already stored. As for doing corrections, it is a simple SQL script that will cause the record in question to be over written with the new record. Also uploading already existing records can either cause all the existing records to be over written or duplicate records to be installed. To display a persons awards, again it is a simple script that will go thru the database, find that persons entries and display them to the screen. Also by using a person's callsign as the key field, the database can hold everyone that uploads to it. With the key field being the persons callsign allows the Sql script to see only those records that relate to the user. So there is no reason to upload ones entire log. Seems to me that the 070 really needs to be brought into the 21th Century.

JoAnn
AB8YZ

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