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Re: Trying to wrap up PODX 070 366 endorsement

 

Geary,

Start at 00:00 z.  Propagation on 20 is good up to about 02:00 z.  Use the CQ 365 or CQ 366 and any member seeing that will jump on you.

John
KC3FL


Re: Trying to wrap up PODX 070 366 endorsement

Bob Motyl KK6KMU
 

Geary,

I will be looking for you.  I still need over 60 days.  I'm just taking it one day at a time.

Bob
KK6KMU


Re: LONP Congrats

JoAnn Donaldson
 

I sent in my logs for this but don't seem to have made the grade. Why?

JoAnn
AB8YZ
#2844

On Wednesday, June 23, 2021, 11:23:37 AM CDT, stan W9SMR <robinstan@...> wrote:


Congrats new LONP 100 Members: 

Jim W0JSL #452; David WA3LXD #453; Buz WA5AMM #454; Joe K3YES #455

Our Exec Jim, K5SP and right-hand man Milt, N6MG have been hard at work manually digging out LONP progress due to the malfunctioning Endorsement Checker software. We have our first LONP achievers with member numbers greater to or equal to #2787. In addition to their diligent pursuit of this coveted award, their recognition is due especially to the efforts of Milt, N6MG and the member’s upload directly to him. See instruction for that process below.


So OFFICIAL CONGRATS to the following:



We also have an excited pack of LONP Seekers in hot pursuit of this traditional first rights award. If you see them, give them a call and spot them on PSKReporter and our reflector:


 

IMPORTANT NOTICE!!

Since the endorsement checker does not properly recognize and give any LONP credit for member numbers that are greater than 2786, this task must now be completed manually by a volunteer.

This also means that regardless of your 070 # you will not receive credit for member QSOs with 070 # greater than 2786. You must get with Milt and ask for his assistance to get that credit.

If your 070 # is above #2786, you may still apply for LONP by submitting your entire log of member contacts to Milt, N6MG per the Instructions !  


See also PODXS 070 Home Page for an example of upload needed.

Congratulations to all for your diligent pursuit of these cherished Awards!!

73,
Stan
W9SMR - 070  #1611
PODXS 070 - PR Director


Trying to wrap up PODX 070 366 endorsement

Geary McDowell
 

Looks like I only need the following to complete the 366 endorsement for a PSK contact each day of the year, and I got Leap Year day last year!  I will be mostly on 20 meters but might hit other bands if they are good for me here in southwest Oklahoma.  I am not an early riser but might have to try to be for seven days.  HI HI HI
June 24, 29 and 30
July 2, 11, 15, and 18
Thanks in advance if you see my call and respond.
73 Geary McDowell, AKA KE5IRK
Lawton-Fort Sill, Oklahoma in Comanche County of the USA
North America, Northern Hemisphere, Earth, and the Milky Way although I prefer a Snickers.


--
When all else fails, Amateur Radio works.


LONP Congrats

stan W9SMR
 

Congrats new LONP 100 Members: 

Jim W0JSL #452; David WA3LXD #453; Buz WA5AMM #454; Joe K3YES #455

Our Exec Jim, K5SP and right-hand man Milt, N6MG have been hard at work manually digging out LONP progress due to the malfunctioning Endorsement Checker software. We have our first LONP achievers with member numbers greater to or equal to #2787. In addition to their diligent pursuit of this coveted award, their recognition is due especially to the efforts of Milt, N6MG and the member’s upload directly to him. See instruction for that process below.


So OFFICIAL CONGRATS to the following:



We also have an excited pack of LONP Seekers in hot pursuit of this traditional first rights award. If you see them, give them a call and spot them on PSKReporter and our reflector:


 

IMPORTANT NOTICE!!

Since the endorsement checker does not properly recognize and give any LONP credit for member numbers that are greater than 2786, this task must now be completed manually by a volunteer.

This also means that regardless of your 070 # you will not receive credit for member QSOs with 070 # greater than 2786. You must get with Milt and ask for his assistance to get that credit.

If your 070 # is above #2786, you may still apply for LONP by submitting your entire log of member contacts to Milt, N6MG per the Instructions !  


See also PODXS 070 Home Page for an example of upload needed.

Congratulations to all for your diligent pursuit of these cherished Awards!!

73,
Stan
W9SMR - 070  #1611
PODXS 070 - PR Director


Re: PODXS made ARRL Contest letter !

Bob Motyl KK6KMU
 

PSK is my go to digital mode.  As a new ham in 2014 it was an easy way for me to have a conversation on the air.  Back then SSB was very intimidating.  
Over the last 6 months I have met a large number of new to PSK operators and past operators who have come back.  Yes propagation has a great deal to do with it.
PSK is, in my opinion, more civilized for lack of a better word.  I don't have to fight for band space with other PSK users and then have someone come on top of me after you found an opening.
It's the other digital modes I have issues with.  PSK users, again in my opinion, watch their output power and watch not to put out interference.  In general, in my opinion, PSK users are responsible, respectful and very helpful.  PODXS is a great club with great leadership and great volunteers.  I am very grateful.

Bob
KK6KMU


Re: PODXS made ARRL Contest letter !

Ray Clements
 

Exactly

That is why I stated that we need both old and new stations back on the air. I will try to make some PSK contacts on July 4th.

One thing I like about FT8 is that it provides accurate signal reports in dB for both signals sent and signals received. I have heard other stations with signals as strong as +18 dB S/N ratio. Because I have HOA restrictions on antennas at my QTH, my signals sent are typically 5-10 dB lower than signals received. Most PSK contacts send a generic 599 signal report, even when  the signal is  difficult to copy. That is not very helpful.

I can run higher power on FT8 than on PSK31 due to the nature of the signals. If I try to run too much power on PSK, the signal will distort. I run 80-100 watts on FT8 and 25-50 watts on PSK. Both FT8 and PSK 31 can decode signals below the noise floor.

Propagation should be good enough to make PSK contacts if people would get on the air. If the bands are open for FT8 contacts, they should also be open for PSK contacts, but it takes two to tango.

I hope to see some of you on the PSK frequencies.

Ray N9RWC 73






------ Original Message ------
Received: 08:13 AM CDT, 06/23/2021
From: "Jim K5SP" <jinnis@...>
To: main@070Club.groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] PODXS made ARRL Contest letter !


Ray, the most recent TDW was very active.  120+ logs submitted.  Contacts on all bands from 80-10 (don't recall if any 160 were made).  A major problem is everybody thinks the bands are dead and don't bother with PSK.  TDW proved that wrong!  As I have long said, lack of propagation is due to lack of operation.  

I have been on every day this week trying to work anybody, yet, only one 40m contact in the log. 

I will be on this afternoon, so look for my PSK in the waterfall.

Jim K5SP

On 6/23/2021 7:39 AM, Ray Clements wrote:
We need to get PSK stations on the air both old and new. 

My station has been off the air for over a year. I had to disconnect my antennas due to a lot of renovation on the house. With the last job completed, I was able to reconnect the antenna. When I turn on the radio, the first thing I do is check all the PSK watering holes from 40 meters up to 10 meters, including WARC bands. Over the past week, I have seen only a couple of PSK signals on the water fall. After checking PSK, I check all the RTTY frequencies. I have seen only a single RTTY signal and it was too weak to copy. 

Since PSK and RTTY were not viable modes, I started up the WSJT-X software and looked for FT8 signals. I was able to make dozens of FT8 contacts on 40m, 20m, 17m, 15m, 12m, and 10m. The contacts included Europe, South and Central America, Caribbean islands, Japan, and many USA and Canada stations. After being off the air for an extended period, being able to make contacts was fun.

If I check PSKreporter.info, the map for the past hour only shows 11 PSK monitors. Only two of those were in USA with nine in Europe. In contrast, there are 5500 active stations on FT8 representing countries from all over the world, including Africa, Australia and the Middle East and many islands in the Atlantic, Pacific, and Indian oceans. No wonder I have not seen PSK stations on the waterfall.

As a member of PODX 070 and having achieved LONP status, I would prefer to work PSK rather than FT8, but it seems the only way to work PSK these days is to schedule a contact at a specific time and frequency.  Hopefully, things will be different on Field Day. Staring at an empty waterfall is not very exciting.


Ray N9RWC  73

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Received: 06:52 AM CDT, 06/23/2021
From: "Jerry N9AVY" <n9avy@...>
To: "main@070club.groups.io" <main@070club.groups.io>
Subject: [070Club] PODXS made ARRL Contest letter !


Some recognition is better than none.  PODXS is mentioned twice in the letter. Hopefully we'll get more stations  (new members) to work !

Jerry  n9avy #454



PODXS 070 Club 40m Firecracker Sprint, Jul 3, 2000z to Jul 4, 2000z; PSK31; Bands: 40m Only; RST + (state/province/country); Logs due July 11







--
Jim,  K5SP #483
Executive Director/Member Services Director


Re: PODXS made ARRL Contest letter !

Jerry N9AVY
 

Ray:

There are some stations returning to PSK because they find FT8 and that ilk boring once the novelty wears off.  Get on the air at various times because propagation varies with time of day/night.   July 3  on 40m should produce a bunch of contacts.

Propagation has not been great the last few days here in IL, but as the solar cycle gets better so will propagation (we all hope).  If you follow propagation predictions you see they are optimistic. There have been some sun spots, but nothing real significant that I saw.

The TDW contest earlier this month had lots of stations with the addition of several new members afterwards as well as a few in late May.  So, someone must be hearing PSK signals.

Kee checking PSK freqs and you'll eventually  her something.


73,   Jerry  n9avy


On Wednesday, June 23, 2021, 07:39:11 AM CDT, Ray Clements <r.clements@...> wrote:


We need to get PSK stations on the air both old and new. 

My station has been off the air for over a year. I had to disconnect my antennas due to a lot of renovation on the house. With the last job completed, I was able to reconnect the antenna. When I turn on the radio, the first thing I do is check all the PSK watering holes from 40 meters up to 10 meters, including WARC bands. Over the past week, I have seen only a couple of PSK signals on the water fall. After checking PSK, I check all the RTTY frequencies. I have seen only a single RTTY signal and it was too weak to copy. 

Since PSK and RTTY were not viable modes, I started up the WSJT-X software and looked for FT8 signals. I was able to make dozens of FT8 contacts on 40m, 20m, 17m, 15m, 12m, and 10m. The contacts included Europe, South and Central America, Caribbean islands, Japan, and many USA and Canada stations. After being off the air for an extended period, being able to make contacts was fun.

If I check PSKreporter.info, the map for the past hour only shows 11 PSK monitors. Only two of those were in USA with nine in Europe. In contrast, there are 5500 active stations on FT8 representing countries from all over the world, including Africa, Australia and the Middle East and many islands in the Atlantic, Pacific, and Indian oceans. No wonder I have not seen PSK stations on the waterfall.

As a member of PODX 070 and having achieved LONP status, I would prefer to work PSK rather than FT8, but it seems the only way to work PSK these days is to schedule a contact at a specific time and frequency.  Hopefully, things will be different on Field Day. Staring at an empty waterfall is not very exciting.


Ray N9RWC  73

------ Original Message ------
Received: 06:52 AM CDT, 06/23/2021
From: "Jerry N9AVY" <n9avy@...>
To: "main@070club.groups.io" <main@070club.groups.io>
Subject: [070Club] PODXS made ARRL Contest letter !


Some recognition is better than none.  PODXS is mentioned twice in the letter. Hopefully we'll get more stations  (new members) to work !

Jerry  n9avy #454



PODXS 070 Club 40m Firecracker Sprint, Jul 3, 2000z to Jul 4, 2000z; PSK31; Bands: 40m Only; RST + (state/province/country); Logs due July 11







Re: PODXS made ARRL Contest letter !

Jim K5SP
 

Ray, the most recent TDW was very active.  120+ logs submitted.  Contacts on all bands from 80-10 (don't recall if any 160 were made).  A major problem is everybody thinks the bands are dead and don't bother with PSK.  TDW proved that wrong!  As I have long said, lack of propagation is due to lack of operation.  

I have been on every day this week trying to work anybody, yet, only one 40m contact in the log. 

I will be on this afternoon, so look for my PSK in the waterfall.

Jim K5SP

On 6/23/2021 7:39 AM, Ray Clements wrote:
We need to get PSK stations on the air both old and new. 

My station has been off the air for over a year. I had to disconnect my antennas due to a lot of renovation on the house. With the last job completed, I was able to reconnect the antenna. When I turn on the radio, the first thing I do is check all the PSK watering holes from 40 meters up to 10 meters, including WARC bands. Over the past week, I have seen only a couple of PSK signals on the water fall. After checking PSK, I check all the RTTY frequencies. I have seen only a single RTTY signal and it was too weak to copy. 

Since PSK and RTTY were not viable modes, I started up the WSJT-X software and looked for FT8 signals. I was able to make dozens of FT8 contacts on 40m, 20m, 17m, 15m, 12m, and 10m. The contacts included Europe, South and Central America, Caribbean islands, Japan, and many USA and Canada stations. After being off the air for an extended period, being able to make contacts was fun.

If I check PSKreporter.info, the map for the past hour only shows 11 PSK monitors. Only two of those were in USA with nine in Europe. In contrast, there are 5500 active stations on FT8 representing countries from all over the world, including Africa, Australia and the Middle East and many islands in the Atlantic, Pacific, and Indian oceans. No wonder I have not seen PSK stations on the waterfall.

As a member of PODX 070 and having achieved LONP status, I would prefer to work PSK rather than FT8, but it seems the only way to work PSK these days is to schedule a contact at a specific time and frequency.  Hopefully, things will be different on Field Day. Staring at an empty waterfall is not very exciting.


Ray N9RWC  73

------ Original Message ------
Received: 06:52 AM CDT, 06/23/2021
From: "Jerry N9AVY" <n9avy@...>
To: "main@070club.groups.io" <main@070club.groups.io>
Subject: [070Club] PODXS made ARRL Contest letter !


Some recognition is better than none.  PODXS is mentioned twice in the letter. Hopefully we'll get more stations  (new members) to work !

Jerry  n9avy #454



PODXS 070 Club 40m Firecracker Sprint, Jul 3, 2000z to Jul 4, 2000z; PSK31; Bands: 40m Only; RST + (state/province/country); Logs due July 11







--
Jim,  K5SP #483
Executive Director/Member Services Director


Re: PODXS made ARRL Contest letter !

Ray Clements
 

We need to get PSK stations on the air both old and new. 

My station has been off the air for over a year. I had to disconnect my antennas due to a lot of renovation on the house. With the last job completed, I was able to reconnect the antenna. When I turn on the radio, the first thing I do is check all the PSK watering holes from 40 meters up to 10 meters, including WARC bands. Over the past week, I have seen only a couple of PSK signals on the water fall. After checking PSK, I check all the RTTY frequencies. I have seen only a single RTTY signal and it was too weak to copy. 

Since PSK and RTTY were not viable modes, I started up the WSJT-X software and looked for FT8 signals. I was able to make dozens of FT8 contacts on 40m, 20m, 17m, 15m, 12m, and 10m. The contacts included Europe, South and Central America, Caribbean islands, Japan, and many USA and Canada stations. After being off the air for an extended period, being able to make contacts was fun.

If I check PSKreporter.info, the map for the past hour only shows 11 PSK monitors. Only two of those were in USA with nine in Europe. In contrast, there are 5500 active stations on FT8 representing countries from all over the world, including Africa, Australia and the Middle East and many islands in the Atlantic, Pacific, and Indian oceans. No wonder I have not seen PSK stations on the waterfall.

As a member of PODX 070 and having achieved LONP status, I would prefer to work PSK rather than FT8, but it seems the only way to work PSK these days is to schedule a contact at a specific time and frequency.  Hopefully, things will be different on Field Day. Staring at an empty waterfall is not very exciting.


Ray N9RWC  73

------ Original Message ------
Received: 06:52 AM CDT, 06/23/2021
From: "Jerry N9AVY" <n9avy@...>
To: "main@070club.groups.io" <main@070club.groups.io>
Subject: [070Club] PODXS made ARRL Contest letter !


Some recognition is better than none.  PODXS is mentioned twice in the letter. Hopefully we'll get more stations  (new members) to work !

Jerry  n9avy #454



PODXS 070 Club 40m Firecracker Sprint, Jul 3, 2000z to Jul 4, 2000z; PSK31; Bands: 40m Only; RST + (state/province/country); Logs due July 11







PODXS made ARRL Contest letter !

Jerry N9AVY
 

Some recognition is better than none.  PODXS is mentioned twice in the letter. Hopefully we'll get more stations  (new members) to work !

Jerry  n9avy #454



PODXS 070 Club 40m Firecracker Sprint, Jul 3, 2000z to Jul 4, 2000z; PSK31; Bands: 40m Only; RST + (state/province/country); Logs due July 11





2021 Field Day Stickers

stan W9SMR
 

With all the distraction of newer and fancier digital modes, it is important for our PSK-31 community to be seen on the waterfall. As a result of precautions due to COVID-19 the ARRL has created a unique opportunity to make ourselves seen and heard. This provision has been extended through FD 2021.


2021 Field Day will be conducted June 26 / 27, 2021
 


Be sure to review the:  2021 Field Day Rules


There are
two stickers available. The first is for anyone who participates in Field Day in any way, either individually or as part of a group. The second is for folks who participate on their own (not part of another group) and want to provide some publicity for the 070 club.


1)
  Firstly there is the existing Field Day Participation Sticker


Since our Awards Progress Checker has no means to check your log for Field Day participation, in order to receive your Endorsement Sticker it will be necessary for you to send an email directly to me robinstan (at) Hotmail (dot) com by Sunday, July 11.  

Please use 2021 Field Day in the subject line.  Send me the email even if you have already uploaded your FD log and posted on the Reflector that you participated! 


The body of your email needs only your Call and Member number.  Please DO NOT send or attach your log.  This is on the Honor System.  If you say you participated, you participated! - even if you were in a support role (setup/tear-down, KP duty, etc. and never actual got on air.)  I will forward the complete list to those that take care of Stickers and your Sticker will be included in our next mailing!

Last year we had 36 members participate in FD.

2) Secondly, and extended from last year - The Field Day Club Upload Sticker

As an incentive to participate as a PODXS 070 Member and upload your log to ARRL, we will offer a unique sticker thanking you for doing that. Let’s get our name out there!

Last year 17 members uploaded and we had a 5,198 Score. Let’s beat that this year!

The ARRL has adopted two temporary waivers to the Field Day Rules. These will create a unique opportunity for all PODXS 070 Club members to submit their logs as Club members and the ARRL will publish an aggregate score for the Club. The other waiver allows Class D (Home) stations to work all other stations, including other Class D stations. You do not need to be an ARRL member.

The temporary rule waiver for 2021 allows participants from any Class to optionally include a single club name with their submitted results following Field Day. You may upload using only 1 Club association. So if you are already part of another Field Day group and uploading your log as part of their score, you can’t earn this sticker.

For 2021 Field Day Entry go to:  Field Day Entry - Upload


It is critical that our Club name be EXACTLY THE SAME FOR ALL ENTRIES!


When you upload your Field Day Log, the Club name must be: PODXS 070

That is, all caps, one space, numbers 070


Now that some members have uploaded their logs to ARRL, “PODXS 070” may appear in the drop-down for Club or Group Name. All you have to do is select (click on) it.


So decide if you’ll operate from your comfortable Shack, set up on the patio or drive into the mountains, but DO IT! Then send me a notice that you participated and upload your log to ARRL

The Field Day Club Upload Sticker may not be available next year. Grab it while you can.

You will be eligible for the FD Participation Sticker even if you do not upload to ARRL.

73,
Stan
W9SMR - 070  #1611
PODXS 070 - PR Director


Re: ARRL Monitoring report (ARRL Letter)

Barry VA7GEM
 

Art

As your close neighbour I feel obliged to speak up.
I am one of those ops who will call CQ for an hour on 6M
and think it is good operating practice.
FT8 is set up to TX for 15sec and RX for 15sec. There is also
a setting for how many minutes (max 99) you wish to continue the cycle.
On 6M an opening can occur for less than a minute and I try to be on
the air when it happens.
I also utilize PSK reporter and look at it after about 10min of CQing to see
if I was heard anywhere. If yes I will continue. If no I will give it a rest for a while.
If someone else is CQing I may just watch him to see if he gets a response.
Bottom line is any activity on 6M is good activity unless the power is up in the splatter zone.
Cheers and hoping to get you in the 6M log soon
Barry


Re: ARRL Monitoring report (ARRL Letter)

Jerry N9AVY
 

California has country status now ???   heh-heh .

Jerry   n9avy

On Monday, June 21, 2021, 07:31:05 AM CDT, Eric KG6MZS <contact@...> wrote:


On 6/20/21 4:13 PM, Stephen Melachrinos via groups.io wrote:

> One supplement: maybe I misunderstood what you meant by "how long
> these people call CQ." I interpreted that as total duration of
> multiple individual CQs. If you meant a continuous key-down, then I
> agree with you.

Except Art was talking about FT8 where continuous key down would be
impossible given that the mode is only 15 seconds on, 15 seconds off.

Considering the nature of sporadic E propagation on 6m, calling CQ for
long periods of time makes sense to me.  I don't understand why anyone
would object.  There is plenty of room on 6m for anybody to do their own
thing. To me this is a tempest in a teapot.

In regard to people who call CQ on SSB for long periods of time without
unkeying, that seems pretty counter-productive to me. I've actually
given up waiting for operators like that to unkey so I can answer them
and moved on.

Another country heard from

73 Eric KG6MZS







Welcome 2853

Jim K5SP
 

Please join me in welcoming new member:

2853  Frank  M0TAQ  06-20-21

Jim K5SP
Executive/Membership Director


--
Jim,  K5SP #483
Executive Director/Member Services Director


Re: ARRL Monitoring report (ARRL Letter)

Eric KG6MZS
 

On 6/20/21 4:13 PM, Stephen Melachrinos via groups.io wrote:

One supplement: maybe I misunderstood what you meant by "how long these people call CQ." I interpreted that as total duration of multiple individual CQs. If you meant a continuous key-down, then I agree with you.
Except Art was talking about FT8 where continuous key down would be impossible given that the mode is only 15 seconds on, 15 seconds off.

Considering the nature of sporadic E propagation on 6m, calling CQ for long periods of time makes sense to me.  I don't understand why anyone would object.  There is plenty of room on 6m for anybody to do their own thing. To me this is a tempest in a teapot.

In regard to people who call CQ on SSB for long periods of time without unkeying, that seems pretty counter-productive to me. I've actually given up waiting for operators like that to unkey so I can answer them and moved on.

Another country heard from

73 Eric KG6MZS


Re: ARRL Monitoring report (ARRL Letter)

Rick - N7WE
 

Having previously used some of the WSJT modes on 6m, I tried FT8 on HF when it was introduced.  As soon as the novelty wore off, I became dissatisfied and haven't been back.  So I'm no expert, but I think part of the problem Art describes may have to do with the op not having a properly time-synced computer.  As I recall, if your time sync is more than 0.5 seconds out, you will not get a decode which, when coupled with the automated CQ, the "Auto Seq" and, "1st call" features, could lead to continous CQs - even when others are responding to the CQ.  
--
Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602


Re: ARRL Monitoring report (ARRL Letter)

Jerry N9AVY
 

Art:

Propagation has a bit to do with not getting answers to "CQ's" .  While you may hear a station 599, he may be hearing another station responding to his "CQ" from the same area you're in.  He may get a mix of both signals plus other signals from different while you hear nothing. Have been in this situation a few times with stations in Europe & U.S. calling and all I could hear was the noise of multiple stations calling, but never a full call sign.

Won't comment on FT8 because I have never operated that mode and have no wish to even try.  From numerous QSOs I've "copied the mail" on the bands , have seen many comments about ops being bored with FT8. 

From chatting with locals it seems like all the CW/SSB on 6m has be replaced by FT8, but haven't operated 6m in a while due to antenna problems. 

But I think the comments about FT8 operators (some) being rude is likely accurate. Many of today's operators have never had to send CW because they are more computer oriented and prefer modes like FT8.

Propagation is strange at times especially on 10m.   Over the years I have worked aurora which is weird because everyone sounds like they're underwater.  Other times I've worked stations in nearby states that were not normally heard here in IL. There is another phenomena called backscatter on 10m where you point your yagi (never tried it with a vertical or dipole) aimed to SE or SW and you suddenly hear stations you could hear before turning antenna.  So, sometimes propagation is just weird, but it does play a part in one being heard.


Jerry  n9avy #454


On Sunday, June 20, 2021, 09:14:34 PM CDT, K7DWI Art <k7dwicn82@...> wrote:


Hey Jerry and Steve,
On 6 Meters when I lived in central Arizona, there were 3 Hams that ran a Kilowatt (one 1500) and 3 more running 500 watts all "Line of Sight".
When FT8 exploded, I though I was going to go "Postal".🤬
The problem with 6 Meters is line of sight. No signal with weaken.
10 Meters has similar characteristics. Not as bad as 6 Meters, but close.
Besides strong signals, just like PSK31 on occasions a few operators haven't learned how to control computer audio and their ALC.
A lot of this has to deal with the Automatic operation of FT8, where with PSK31 you are monitoring and looking.
Other that a few overdriven audios, I have no complaints with PSK31 other than CQ's that don't respond to my return. Common at my new QTH.
In the last few minutes I saw a local here on 6 Meters FT8 CQ's get an answer, he never got a Roger and signal report back. He continued to send his signal report in its 15 second sequence for 5 minutes.
Another local on 10 Meters sending CQ showed about 7 images on the waterfall each time transmitted. On his non transmit sequences there  was a VE6 working a string of calls.
I worked him on the 3rd call after he finished working another. When completed, he was still calling CQ. He finally called the VE6 and by then he was gone (VE6).

Again, I think the attitude and skill level has gone to Hell in a Handbasket.
Hoping to play in the Firecracker.

73 Art K7DWI #2518


Re: ARRL Monitoring report (ARRL Letter)

K7DWI Art
 

Hey Jerry and Steve,
On 6 Meters when I lived in central Arizona, there were 3 Hams that ran a Kilowatt (one 1500) and 3 more running 500 watts all "Line of Sight".
When FT8 exploded, I though I was going to go "Postal".🤬
The problem with 6 Meters is line of sight. No signal with weaken.
10 Meters has similar characteristics. Not as bad as 6 Meters, but close.
Besides strong signals, just like PSK31 on occasions a few operators haven't learned how to control computer audio and their ALC.
A lot of this has to deal with the Automatic operation of FT8, where with PSK31 you are monitoring and looking.
Other that a few overdriven audios, I have no complaints with PSK31 other than CQ's that don't respond to my return. Common at my new QTH.
In the last few minutes I saw a local here on 6 Meters FT8 CQ's get an answer, he never got a Roger and signal report back. He continued to send his signal report in its 15 second sequence for 5 minutes.
Another local on 10 Meters sending CQ showed about 7 images on the waterfall each time transmitted. On his non transmit sequences there  was a VE6 working a string of calls.
I worked him on the 3rd call after he finished working another. When completed, he was still calling CQ. He finally called the VE6 and by then he was gone (VE6).

Again, I think the attitude and skill level has gone to Hell in a Handbasket.
Hoping to play in the Firecracker.

73 Art K7DWI #2518


Re: ARRL Monitoring report (ARRL Letter)

Jerry N9AVY
 

Back in the day when I was a gung ho contest station, I had a MFJ voice keyer when I was "running a frequency".  When I needed a break for food, drinks or nature calls, I would set up the voice keyer to call "CQ" with an appropriate silent time for someone to answer.  The desired effect was to "hold" the frequency from other stations. Hah !   Of course, I gave up that habit many long years ago because it always didn't work due to some mega-kilowatt jockey grabbing the frequency.  Was fun while it lasted.

Jerry  n9avy

On Sunday, June 20, 2021, 06:13:27 PM CDT, Stephen Melachrinos via groups.io <melachri@...> wrote:


One supplement: maybe I misunderstood what you meant by "how long these people call CQ." I interpreted that as total duration of multiple individual CQs. If you meant a continuous key-down, then I agree with you.

I could understand something like five separate CQ transmissions per minute, separated by listening time (to hear replies). That could be 300 separate transmissions in an hour, with 300 separate listening periods. I would call this "repeatedly calling CQ."

But if the station calls CQ continuously (not repeatedly) without listening, then you are absolutely correct. And I apologize for jumping to the wrong conclusion.

BTW, I think it's more efficient to send repeated CQs in general. In PSK-speak, I much prefer:

Tx: CQ CQ de W3HF W3HF k
Rx: (listen)
Tx: CQ CQ de W3HF W3HF k
Rx: (listen)
Tx: CQ CQ de W3HF W3HF k
Rx: (listen)

rather than:

Tx: CQ CQ de W3HF W3HF 
CQ CQ de W3HF W3HF
CQ CQ de W3HF W3HF k
Rx: (listen)

Steve
W3HF

-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Melachrinos via groups.io <melachri@...>
To: main@070Club.groups.io <main@070Club.groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Jun 20, 2021 7:03 pm
Subject: Re: [070Club] ARRL Monitoring report (ARRL Letter)

Art -

Question: how do you know if a band is open if you don't see/hear any signals? Someone has to call CQ! If no one makes their presence known by calling CQ, then no one can respond (to a CQ), and there will be no QSOs for anyone to tail-end!

You didn't say if the band was crowded, but I highly doubt that on 6m unless it's a contest weekend or there's extraordinary propagation. And in those cases, "running a frequency" is considered an appropriate usage. And especially on 6m and 10m, where propagation changes minute to minute so you want to keep a signal on the air to catch those changes. (I saw that on 10m two weeks ago during the TDW--signals went up and down in the time it took to make a single QSO.)

If the band isn't crowded, then I don't consider someone calling CQ for a long time to be rude. Maybe it's fruitless, or a waste of time, or a waste of electrons. He's probably just looking for band openings that come and go. But if he isn't QRMing someone then it isn't rude in my book.

Just another opinion...

73,
Steve
W3HF


-----Original Message-----
From: K7DWI Art <k7dwicn82@...>
To: main@070Club.groups.io
Sent: Sun, Jun 20, 2021 6:08 pm
Subject: Re: [070Club] ARRL Monitoring report (ARRL Letter)

I hate to say this, but some of the rudest, dumbest and useless FT8 operators I have experienced here in Southern Oregon hold an Extra Class license.
Each week I am amazed how long these guys just call CQ.
On 6 Meters the record is one and a half hours, on 10 Meters an hour and 20 minutes.
I rarely call CQ. I was told you answer CQs or tail-end existing QSO's  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Pretty much have done that since 1979. I don't have 300 DXCC to my credit, but very few enemies in this hobby.
I will call when the band is open and no one's home, or a couple of short ones to see is the band it open.
I spend more time listening.
No doubt courtesy has been long gone.
73 Art K7DWI #2518

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