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Re: Code warriors

Jerry N9AVY
 

Tom:

Most likely true unless one throws the microphone away forever.

Learned CW in my early 30s and after getting my advanced I became a phone operator for next 30 years. Came back to CW in my 60s and mostly reacquired skill, but it was difficult.

There are many ops who probably have never been on CW.

Jerry  n9avy

On Friday, May 14, 2021, 09:51:28 AM CDT, K8TOM <tsingle@...> wrote:


In reply to KG5OIB,  my sense is that becoming really comfortable with CW after a certain age becomes less and less likely. 
Having seen several folks in clubs diligently work at CW for a while it seems to me that the armchair CW
QSO experience happens only for those who acquired the skill at an early age.  Those of us who attempt to pick it
up later in life find that a lot more continuing effort is involved, even with practice.  Like mindless touch typing
and other semi-automatic mechanical skills there seems to be no substitute for early adult/teen acquisition.
I'm sure there are exceptions, but I haven't personally seen any folks who later in life picked up CW that now find
it effortless-unlike the folks in my club who learned early in life.  YMMV.

Tom
K8TOM
815


Code warriors

K8TOM
 

In reply to KG5OIB,  my sense is that becoming really comfortable with CW after a certain age becomes less and less likely. 
Having seen several folks in clubs diligently work at CW for a while it seems to me that the armchair CW
QSO experience happens only for those who acquired the skill at an early age.  Those of us who attempt to pick it
up later in life find that a lot more continuing effort is involved, even with practice.  Like mindless touch typing
and other semi-automatic mechanical skills there seems to be no substitute for early adult/teen acquisition.
I'm sure there are exceptions, but I haven't personally seen any folks who later in life picked up CW that now find
it effortless-unlike the folks in my club who learned early in life.  YMMV.

Tom
K8TOM
815


Re: Antenna TESTING AND UPCOMING tdw

John Hendry KG5OIB
 

thanks for this post!   I remember desperately trying to learn code back in the 70s.   Try as I would, I could never master it.   I could easily pass the tech part of the test, all the way to Advanced, but the code kept me out.   I gave up on ham radio until 2016.    I remember vaguely hearing about the code tests being dropped but at that time I had other interests (and was busy doing the family thing).  

I'm one of those who still wish they could do code and I still try, but its just not in the cards for me.   But I'm glad this hobby opened up to me and I treasure it every day!

73
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

     de  KG5OIB

     John Hendry

     Decatur, Wise County, Texas

     LOC:  EM13eg

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Re: TESTING AND UPCOMING tdw

Don - KM4UDX
 

Thank you for trying!!

We got hammered, swamped, blanked out, toasted, frozed, and QRM'ed, and suffered "friendly fire".

In short, normal stuff. Hahahah.
--
Don, km4udx, uBITX, and other obscure acronyms go here...


Re: TESTING AND UPCOMING TDW

Don - KM4UDX
 

We had a good time. 10 to 90% copy, fade on the most important bits, and weird signals about. Like two tin cans but with a broken string. Hahah.

So lots of fun. 
--
Don, km4udx, uBITX, and other obscure acronyms go here...


Re: Antenna TESTING AND UPCOMING tdw

Jim K5SP
 

Got my extra March 1999 had the 20 wpm code test.

Jim K5SP 

On May 13, 2021 9:06 PM, Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...> wrote:
Searched for that info but couldn't seem to find it.  Thanks Steve !

I recall when I passed Extra without code as at that time I had 13 wpm with the General/Advanced.  Recall at the time that some were calling it "the welfare Extra" license Emoji

I do recall being on cloud 9 because I hadn't studied for Extra before going to VEC. Did check my FCC data but they don't have complete records of what was passed and when.

Jerry  n9avy

On Thursday, May 13, 2021, 06:41:15 PM CDT, Stephen Melachrinos via groups.io <melachri@...> wrote:





Regarding code testing...

- All amateur licenses required code tests prior to 1991. Code speed was dependent on license class--5 wpm for Novice and Tech, 13 wpm for General and Advanced, and 20 wpm for Extra. (There were different rules prior to 1951, but most of us weren't licensed then.)

- Starting in 1991, a no-code Tech license was available, restricted to 50 MHz and above because international rules required Morse proficiency for HF privileges. Techs who had passed the 5 wpm code test were (eventually) re-classified as Technician Plus.

- On 15 April 2000, the massive change known as License Restructuring went into effect. Part of this was declaring that no new Novice or Advanced Licenses would be issued (though renewals could continue), but perhaps more significant was the elimination of the 13 wpm and 20 wpm code tests. So all remaining license classes that required code (Tech Plus, Advanced, or Extra) only required 5 wpm.

- In 2007, all code tests were eliminated. 

References:

http://ac6v.com/history.php

http://www.arrl.org/recent-fcc-actions

Steve
W3HF


--
Jim,  K5SP #483
Executive Director/Member Services Director


Re: TESTING AND UPCOMING tdw

Jim K5SP
 

Milt did you see me at all? I have the CW also but its not a problem. 

Called CQ for over half hour, had QSO with W4ABF earlier, then band died.  After that called CQ for over 20 minutes and never saw anyone else.

Jim K5SP 

On May 13, 2021 9:23 PM, "N6MG - Milt. via groups.io" <n6mg@...> wrote:
Don has big time cw at 3581.5.
I moved up to 3.582.0
n6mg


-----Original Message-----
From: N6MG - Milt. via groups.io <n6mg@...>
To: main@070Club.groups.io <main@070Club.groups.io>
Sent: Thu, May 13, 2021 7:11 pm
Subject: [070Club] TESTING AND UPCOMING tdw

Participants,
I'm on 80m cq'n at 3.581.5. 
There's no CW. Some QRN, but it's still pretty much daylight here.
Odd sounding QRN, and...
No RF in the shack.
The inventor of toroidal cores is a genius!
Steve, who invented them?
Milt.
N6MG
070-650
 


-----Original Message-----
From: Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...>
To: main@070Club.groups.io <main@070Club.groups.io>
Sent: Thu, May 13, 2021 7:06 pm
Subject: Re: [070Club] Antenna TESTING AND UPCOMING tdw

Searched for that info but couldn't seem to find it.  Thanks Steve !

I recall when I passed Extra without code as at that time I had 13 wpm with the General/Advanced.  Recall at the time that some were calling it "the welfare Extra" license Emoji

I do recall being on cloud 9 because I hadn't studied for Extra before going to VEC. Did check my FCC data but they don't have complete records of what was passed and when.

Jerry  n9avy

On Thursday, May 13, 2021, 06:41:15 PM CDT, Stephen Melachrinos via groups.io <melachri@...> wrote:





Regarding code testing...

- All amateur licenses required code tests prior to 1991. Code speed was dependent on license class--5 wpm for Novice and Tech, 13 wpm for General and Advanced, and 20 wpm for Extra. (There were different rules prior to 1951, but most of us weren't licensed then.)

- Starting in 1991, a no-code Tech license was available, restricted to 50 MHz and above because international rules required Morse proficiency for HF privileges. Techs who had passed the 5 wpm code test were (eventually) re-classified as Technician Plus.

- On 15 April 2000, the massive change known as License Restructuring went into effect. Part of this was declaring that no new Novice or Advanced Licenses would be issued (though renewals could continue), but perhaps more significant was the elimination of the 13 wpm and 20 wpm code tests. So all remaining license classes that required code (Tech Plus, Advanced, or Extra) only required 5 wpm.

- In 2007, all code tests were eliminated. 

References:

http://ac6v.com/history.php

http://www.arrl.org/recent-fcc-actions

Steve
W3HF


--
Jim,  K5SP #483
Executive Director/Member Services Director


Re: TESTING AND UPCOMING tdw

Don - KM4UDX
 

calling on psk on 3582 (or 3581+1K, hahah)...and nothing...some times I hate the Gods of Propagation...
--
Don, km4udx, uBITX, and other obscure acronyms go here...


Re: TESTING AND UPCOMING tdw

 

Don has big time cw at 3581.5.
I moved up to 3.582.0
n6mg


-----Original Message-----
From: N6MG - Milt. via groups.io <n6mg@...>
To: main@070Club.groups.io <main@070Club.groups.io>
Sent: Thu, May 13, 2021 7:11 pm
Subject: [070Club] TESTING AND UPCOMING tdw

Participants,
I'm on 80m cq'n at 3.581.5. 
There's no CW. Some QRN, but it's still pretty much daylight here.
Odd sounding QRN, and...
No RF in the shack.
The inventor of toroidal cores is a genius!
Steve, who invented them?
Milt.
N6MG
070-650
 


-----Original Message-----
From: Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...>
To: main@070Club.groups.io <main@070Club.groups.io>
Sent: Thu, May 13, 2021 7:06 pm
Subject: Re: [070Club] Antenna TESTING AND UPCOMING tdw

Searched for that info but couldn't seem to find it.  Thanks Steve !

I recall when I passed Extra without code as at that time I had 13 wpm with the General/Advanced.  Recall at the time that some were calling it "the welfare Extra" license Emoji

I do recall being on cloud 9 because I hadn't studied for Extra before going to VEC. Did check my FCC data but they don't have complete records of what was passed and when.

Jerry  n9avy

On Thursday, May 13, 2021, 06:41:15 PM CDT, Stephen Melachrinos via groups.io <melachri@...> wrote:





Regarding code testing...

- All amateur licenses required code tests prior to 1991. Code speed was dependent on license class--5 wpm for Novice and Tech, 13 wpm for General and Advanced, and 20 wpm for Extra. (There were different rules prior to 1951, but most of us weren't licensed then.)

- Starting in 1991, a no-code Tech license was available, restricted to 50 MHz and above because international rules required Morse proficiency for HF privileges. Techs who had passed the 5 wpm code test were (eventually) re-classified as Technician Plus.

- On 15 April 2000, the massive change known as License Restructuring went into effect. Part of this was declaring that no new Novice or Advanced Licenses would be issued (though renewals could continue), but perhaps more significant was the elimination of the 13 wpm and 20 wpm code tests. So all remaining license classes that required code (Tech Plus, Advanced, or Extra) only required 5 wpm.

- In 2007, all code tests were eliminated. 

References:

http://ac6v.com/history.php

http://www.arrl.org/recent-fcc-actions

Steve
W3HF


TESTING AND UPCOMING tdw

 

Participants,
I'm on 80m cq'n at 3.581.5. 
There's no CW. Some QRN, but it's still pretty much daylight here.
Odd sounding QRN, and...
No RF in the shack.
The inventor of toroidal cores is a genius!
Steve, who invented them?
Milt.
N6MG
070-650
 


-----Original Message-----
From: Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...>
To: main@070Club.groups.io <main@070Club.groups.io>
Sent: Thu, May 13, 2021 7:06 pm
Subject: Re: [070Club] Antenna TESTING AND UPCOMING tdw

Searched for that info but couldn't seem to find it.  Thanks Steve !

I recall when I passed Extra without code as at that time I had 13 wpm with the General/Advanced.  Recall at the time that some were calling it "the welfare Extra" license Emoji

I do recall being on cloud 9 because I hadn't studied for Extra before going to VEC. Did check my FCC data but they don't have complete records of what was passed and when.

Jerry  n9avy

On Thursday, May 13, 2021, 06:41:15 PM CDT, Stephen Melachrinos via groups.io <melachri@...> wrote:





Regarding code testing...

- All amateur licenses required code tests prior to 1991. Code speed was dependent on license class--5 wpm for Novice and Tech, 13 wpm for General and Advanced, and 20 wpm for Extra. (There were different rules prior to 1951, but most of us weren't licensed then.)

- Starting in 1991, a no-code Tech license was available, restricted to 50 MHz and above because international rules required Morse proficiency for HF privileges. Techs who had passed the 5 wpm code test were (eventually) re-classified as Technician Plus.

- On 15 April 2000, the massive change known as License Restructuring went into effect. Part of this was declaring that no new Novice or Advanced Licenses would be issued (though renewals could continue), but perhaps more significant was the elimination of the 13 wpm and 20 wpm code tests. So all remaining license classes that required code (Tech Plus, Advanced, or Extra) only required 5 wpm.

- In 2007, all code tests were eliminated. 

References:

http://ac6v.com/history.php

http://www.arrl.org/recent-fcc-actions

Steve
W3HF


Re: Antenna TESTING AND UPCOMING tdw

Jerry N9AVY
 

Searched for that info but couldn't seem to find it.  Thanks Steve !

I recall when I passed Extra without code as at that time I had 13 wpm with the General/Advanced.  Recall at the time that some were calling it "the welfare Extra" license Emoji

I do recall being on cloud 9 because I hadn't studied for Extra before going to VEC. Did check my FCC data but they don't have complete records of what was passed and when.

Jerry  n9avy

On Thursday, May 13, 2021, 06:41:15 PM CDT, Stephen Melachrinos via groups.io <melachri@...> wrote:





Regarding code testing...

- All amateur licenses required code tests prior to 1991. Code speed was dependent on license class--5 wpm for Novice and Tech, 13 wpm for General and Advanced, and 20 wpm for Extra. (There were different rules prior to 1951, but most of us weren't licensed then.)

- Starting in 1991, a no-code Tech license was available, restricted to 50 MHz and above because international rules required Morse proficiency for HF privileges. Techs who had passed the 5 wpm code test were (eventually) re-classified as Technician Plus.

- On 15 April 2000, the massive change known as License Restructuring went into effect. Part of this was declaring that no new Novice or Advanced Licenses would be issued (though renewals could continue), but perhaps more significant was the elimination of the 13 wpm and 20 wpm code tests. So all remaining license classes that required code (Tech Plus, Advanced, or Extra) only required 5 wpm.

- In 2007, all code tests were eliminated. 

References:

http://ac6v.com/history.php

http://www.arrl.org/recent-fcc-actions

Steve
W3HF


Re: 80m PSK31 and W1AW

Rick - N7WE
 

Just for the record, my K3 has a very good notch filter and I know how to use it...and do.  I also have a copy of Part 97 and have read and understand it.  Sure didn't intend to start a furor, but it appears that I inadvertently did.
--
Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602


Re: Antenna TESTING AND UPCOMING tdw

Stephen Melachrinos
 

More info, since folks started talking about the test elements:

From 1951 to 1987, test elements were as follows:

Element 1 was the code test. 1A was 5 wpm, 1B was 13 wpm, and 1C was 20 wpm
Element 2 was the Novice written
Element 3 was the General written
Element 4A was Advanced written
Element 4B was Extra written

A Novice license required 1A and 2. A Tech license required 1A, 2 and 3. A General required 1B, 2 and 3. Advanced required 1B, 2, 3, and 4A. And Extra required 1C, 2, 3, 4A and 4B.

In 1987, the General written (element 3) was split into two pieces. I think they were called elements 3A and 3B.

When License Restructuring was implemented in 2000, the written elements were renumbered. The contents of 2 and 3A were combined into a new Element 2 for Technician. 3B became the new Element 3 (General). And 4A and 4B were combined into the new Element 4 (Extra).

References:

(various license manuals--I have about 50 of them)

Steve
W3HF

-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Melachrinos via groups.io <melachri@...>
To: main@070Club.groups.io <main@070Club.groups.io>
Sent: Thu, May 13, 2021 7:41 pm
Subject: Re: [070Club] Antenna TESTING AND UPCOMING tdw


Regarding code testing...

- All amateur licenses required code tests prior to 1991. Code speed was dependent on license class--5 wpm for Novice and Tech, 13 wpm for General and Advanced, and 20 wpm for Extra. (There were different rules prior to 1951, but most of us weren't licensed then.)

- Starting in 1991, a no-code Tech license was available, restricted to 50 MHz and above because international rules required Morse proficiency for HF privileges. Techs who had passed the 5 wpm code test were (eventually) re-classified as Technician Plus.

- On 15 April 2000, the massive change known as License Restructuring went into effect. Part of this was declaring that no new Novice or Advanced Licenses would be issued (though renewals could continue), but perhaps more significant was the elimination of the 13 wpm and 20 wpm code tests. So all remaining license classes that required code (Tech Plus, Advanced, or Extra) only required 5 wpm.

- In 2007, all code tests were eliminated. 

References:

http://ac6v.com/history.php

http://www.arrl.org/recent-fcc-actions

Steve
W3HF


Re: Antenna TESTING AND UPCOMING tdw

K8TOM
 

OK, since I took my Extra soon after my General in 2006, I've probably conflated the two.

My code test was for 5 wpm and must have been for the Extra.  I know for sure that I had to take it and that it was eliminated soon afterwards!

Thanks for the clarification, Steve.

Tom
K8TOM
815


Re: Antenna TESTING AND UPCOMING tdw

Stephen Melachrinos
 


Regarding code testing...

- All amateur licenses required code tests prior to 1991. Code speed was dependent on license class--5 wpm for Novice and Tech, 13 wpm for General and Advanced, and 20 wpm for Extra. (There were different rules prior to 1951, but most of us weren't licensed then.)

- Starting in 1991, a no-code Tech license was available, restricted to 50 MHz and above because international rules required Morse proficiency for HF privileges. Techs who had passed the 5 wpm code test were (eventually) re-classified as Technician Plus.

- On 15 April 2000, the massive change known as License Restructuring went into effect. Part of this was declaring that no new Novice or Advanced Licenses would be issued (though renewals could continue), but perhaps more significant was the elimination of the 13 wpm and 20 wpm code tests. So all remaining license classes that required code (Tech Plus, Advanced, or Extra) only required 5 wpm.

- In 2007, all code tests were eliminated. 

References:

http://ac6v.com/history.php

http://www.arrl.org/recent-fcc-actions

Steve
W3HF


Re: Antenna TESTING AND UPCOMING tdw

Ron Bosch
 

Tom,
Until 2003/2004 you needed to pass Element 1 to get general, if you had an NC Tech licence and passed Element 1, but not element 3,  you were called Tech Plus.  After July 2003, WRC dropped all code requirements for Amateur radio licenses, and the US soon followed.  After April 2000, no more advanced licenses were issued, but any advanced was grandfathered.  Between 1992/1993 and 2003/2004 the only code requirement was element 1 (5 WPM).

Ron
KE4DRF


On Thu, May 13, 2021 at 5:49 PM Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...> wrote:
Unless they gave me credit for 13 wpm when I was an Advanced in 1979.   Hmmmm....

Jerry  n9avy

On Thursday, May 13, 2021, 05:27:48 PM CDT, Eric KG6MZS <contact@...> wrote:



Really?  I took my General in 2004 and still had to pass the code
requirement.  Perhaps not for Extra.  Admittedly I was one of the last
Code Generals.

73 Eric KG6MZS

On 5/13/21 2:13 PM, Jerry N9AVY wrote:
> Took my Extra in 2000 and the code had been dropped






Re: Antenna TESTING AND UPCOMING tdw

Jerry N9AVY
 

Unless they gave me credit for 13 wpm when I was an Advanced in 1979.   Hmmmm....

Jerry  n9avy

On Thursday, May 13, 2021, 05:27:48 PM CDT, Eric KG6MZS <contact@...> wrote:



Really?  I took my General in 2004 and still had to pass the code
requirement.  Perhaps not for Extra.  Admittedly I was one of the last
Code Generals.

73 Eric KG6MZS

On 5/13/21 2:13 PM, Jerry N9AVY wrote:
> Took my Extra in 2000 and the code had been dropped






Re: Band plan

Jerry N9AVY
 

Ron:

We all screw up at some point and that is why we're called "Amateurs".   If we never screwed up we'd be "Professionsals" and much would be expected of us  Emoji.

If/wen you screw up just hope no one saw it or were too nice to mention it. That's always my hope.

Jerry  n9avy 

On Thursday, May 13, 2021, 05:05:35 PM CDT, Ron Bosch <boschfamily@...> wrote:


Jerry,
I appreciate the last comment!  I try to be considerate, but often I screw it up, either through ignorance or because the automatic nature of digital is faster than my fingers work.  Rest assured that it is not through intent, but either ignorance or lack of dexterity.

Ron
KE4DRF

On Thu, May 13, 2021 at 4:53 PM Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...> wrote:
The ARRL Band Plan is only a collection of suggestions and is not carved in stone. Has nothing to do with FCC.  It was an attempt to make some order out of chaos.

Notch filters work well as do filters.  Bet that many do not use either one.  It's always about who gets there first and being "gentlemanly".   One of the things which annoys me is when answering a CQ from another station on his CQ frequency is when another station calls me.  I tend to treat the frequency as the original CQ'ers frequency and try to move out of the way, but many ops are impatient and want that "instant gratification" QSO. But I do slip up occasionally and someone might catch me.  

my 2 cents worth ...

Jerry  n9avy 


Re: Antenna TESTING AND UPCOMING tdw

Bill Williams
 

I passed element 2 (Technician) and element 3 (General) on 2/11/2002 and was awarded the Technician license.  I passed element 1 (5 wpm code) on 3-1-2002 and got the General license.  It is all right there on my CSCE forms.  I thought everyone kept them, we were told to as proof of examination and I still tell people to keep them when I am on a VE team.

73,
Bill
AG4QX
0398

On Thu, May 13, 2021 at 6:32 PM K8TOM <tsingle@...> wrote:
2006 General for me and code test was required.

Tom 
K8TOM
815


Re: Antenna TESTING AND UPCOMING tdw

K8TOM
 

2006 General for me and code test was required.

Tom 
K8TOM
815

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