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Re: KK7UQ IMD Meter

 

Jerry, you go get him  hi hi
Norm, good catch.  You beat me. mine cost me  $30, only  because it was listed under musical equipment because the guy had no idea of what he had..  Think the guy thought it was some kind of a guitar tuner.
Milt,you got one and you gotta admit. it works and you like it because it's another way to insure your signal is the best trace on the waterfall and you always have a super clean trace.
Bottom line; show Zero ALC and it's clean.

John KC3FL


Re: KK7UQ IMD Meter

normansmiller@...
 

Thanks for the heads up John!  I just snagged it for $26 including shipping.  It will be an nice tool in the shack. Especially now that I'm really getting more into PSK.

Norm
KC9CSC


Re: KK7UQ IMD Meter

Jerry N9AVY
 

Bird watt meter a looooong time ago ??? Must have been the Pterodactyl model !   Emoji

Jerry n9avy

On Monday, March 29, 2021, 07:09:36 PM CDT, N6MG - Milt. via groups.io <n6mg@...> wrote:


I've got one. It's ok if you don't have another way to monitor your audio output.
The price is way good too.
The last item I bought on eBay was a peak reading Bird wattmeter a loooong time ago. Still using it too! 
Milt.
N6MG


-----Original Message-----
From: John - KC3FL via groups.io <kc3fl@...>
To: main@070Club.groups.io
Sent: Mon, Mar 29, 2021 3:26 pm
Subject: [070Club] KK7UQ IMD Meter

I was just looking at some ham accessories on EBay and there is a KK7UQ IMD Meter listed with no bidders and it ends at 9 PM esdt.  These usually go for $75 to $100 and right now with shipping it's at less than $30.

John
KC3FL 


Re: KK7UQ IMD Meter

 

I've got one. It's ok if you don't have another way to monitor your audio output.
The price is way good too.
The last item I bought on eBay was a peak reading Bird wattmeter a loooong time ago. Still using it too! 
Milt.
N6MG


-----Original Message-----
From: John - KC3FL via groups.io <kc3fl@...>
To: main@070Club.groups.io
Sent: Mon, Mar 29, 2021 3:26 pm
Subject: [070Club] KK7UQ IMD Meter

I was just looking at some ham accessories on EBay and there is a KK7UQ IMD Meter listed with no bidders and it ends at 9 PM esdt.  These usually go for $75 to $100 and right now with shipping it's at less than $30.

John
KC3FL 


KK7UQ IMD Meter

 

I was just looking at some ham accessories on EBay and there is a KK7UQ IMD Meter listed with no bidders and it ends at 9 PM esdt.  These usually go for $75 to $100 and right now with shipping it's at less than $30.

John
KC3FL 


Re: Macro's for 31 Flavors Contest/Operating Event

Randy True
 

Yes, and I have a love/hate relationship with DM780. If they would only fix the freezing issue in DM780.

Randy W4RTT


From: main@070Club.groups.io <main@070Club.groups.io> on behalf of Rick - N7WE <n7we1980@...>
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 8:47 AM
To: main@070Club.groups.io <main@070Club.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [070Club] Macro's for 31 Flavors Contest/Operating Event
 
DM780 (HRD) does not use macros to switch modes.  At the far right on the waterfall tool bar there is a "modes" button (music note icon).  Clicking on it opens a pop up menu of all available DM780 modes.  Selecting a mode from the list adds a button on the waterfall tool bar for that mode.  You can add as many mode buttons as you like.  Simply clicking on the proper button changes the mode for both RX and TX and makes the change in the Add Log Entry box.  It also adjusts the tuning guide width on the waterfall, making it easy to find the right mode for a signal!  There are even separate selections for USB and LSB on the QPSK modes.

--
Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602


Re: Macro's for 31 Flavors Contest/Operating Event

Rick - N7WE
 

DM780 (HRD) does not use macros to switch modes.  At the far right on the waterfall tool bar there is a "modes" button (music note icon).  Clicking on it opens a pop up menu of all available DM780 modes.  Selecting a mode from the list adds a button on the waterfall tool bar for that mode.  You can add as many mode buttons as you like.  Simply clicking on the proper button changes the mode for both RX and TX and makes the change in the Add Log Entry box.  It also adjusts the tuning guide width on the waterfall, making it easy to find the right mode for a signal!  There are even separate selections for USB and LSB on the QPSK modes.

--
Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602


Re: Macro's for 31 Flavors Contest/Operating Event

Stephen Melachrinos
 

I am unaware of any macro within DigiPan 2.0 (the last version I know about) that changes digital mode. It's not documented in the program (which does appear to have a complete list), and it's not listed in WM2U's list of macro commands.

DigiPan 2.0 only includes BPSK31, BPSK63, and QPSK31 anyway, so it's probably not a great choice for Flavors if you really want to work all the modes.

Steve
W3HF


-----Original Message-----
From: N6MG - Milt. via groups.io <n6mg@...>
To: main@070Club.groups.io <main@070Club.groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Mar 28, 2021 9:17 pm
Subject: Re: [070Club] Macro's for 31 Flavors Contest/Operating Event

John, Thanks for adding that. 
I was incorrect in "assuming" that macro's were macros, regardless.
While we're on that subject, does anyone have mode changing macro's for Digipan?
What about HRD/???.
Milt.
N6MG


-----Original Message-----
From: John - KC3FL via groups.io <kc3fl@...>
To: main@070Club.groups.io
Sent: Sun, Mar 28, 2021 4:25 pm
Subject: Re: [070Club] Macro's for 31 Flavors Contest/Operating Event

I believe that is for MixW software.

With Fldigi to change modes in a macro.  Setup a Qpsk macro with <MODEM:QPSK31> and a macro for BPSK with <MODEM:BPSK31>
Down at the very lower left there is a box that shows what mode you are using and if you click on that it will bring up the different sub mode, BPSK31, BPSK63, BPSK125 etc.
You can click on the sub mode you want and you're ready to go.  Doing it that way, you won't have to go to the mode tab and do a bunch of hunting.  You should be able to choose any mode in a second or two.  You could also do it the way Milt has shown.  Might be a split second faster but a lot of macros.
John
KC3FL


Re: Macro's for 31 Flavors Contest/Operating Event

 

John, Thanks for adding that. 
I was incorrect in "assuming" that macro's were macros, regardless.
While we're on that subject, does anyone have mode changing macro's for Digipan?
What about HRD/???.
Milt.
N6MG


-----Original Message-----
From: John - KC3FL via groups.io <kc3fl@...>
To: main@070Club.groups.io
Sent: Sun, Mar 28, 2021 4:25 pm
Subject: Re: [070Club] Macro's for 31 Flavors Contest/Operating Event

I believe that is for MixW software.

With Fldigi to change modes in a macro.  Setup a Qpsk macro with <MODEM:QPSK31> and a macro for BPSK with <MODEM:BPSK31>
Down at the very lower left there is a box that shows what mode you are using and if you click on that it will bring up the different sub mode, BPSK31, BPSK63, BPSK125 etc.
You can click on the sub mode you want and you're ready to go.  Doing it that way, you won't have to go to the mode tab and do a bunch of hunting.  You should be able to choose any mode in a second or two.  You could also do it the way Milt has shown.  Might be a split second faster but a lot of macros.
John
KC3FL


Re: Macro's for 31 Flavors Contest/Operating Event

 

I believe that is for MixW software.

With Fldigi to change modes in a macro.  Setup a Qpsk macro with <MODEM:QPSK31> and a macro for BPSK with <MODEM:BPSK31>
Down at the very lower left there is a box that shows what mode you are using and if you click on that it will bring up the different sub mode, BPSK31, BPSK63, BPSK125 etc.
You can click on the sub mode you want and you're ready to go.  Doing it that way, you won't have to go to the mode tab and do a bunch of hunting.  You should be able to choose any mode in a second or two.  You could also do it the way Milt has shown.  Might be a split second faster but a lot of macros.
John
KC3FL


Macro's for 31 Flavors Contest/Operating Event

 

"All-y'all"... (Plural for y'all)
Through the courtesy of our tireless Executive Director, Jim, K5SP, 070-0483, here's the mode changing macro's for the 31 Flavors event.

BPSK31     -    <MODE:BPSK31>
BPSK63     -    <MODE:BPSK63>
BPSK125   -    <MODE:BPSK125>
QPSK31     -    <MODE:QPSK31>
QPSK63     -    <MODE:QPSK63>
QPSK125   -    <MODE:QPSK125>

All you have to do is to Copy/Paste directly from here to your macro buttons.
That being covered, I'd like to add...
If you're not able, for whatever reason to participate in all the variant modes, please participate in what you can.
Also, experience has shown us that Cq'n is the most productive when done on BPSK31, then move to the other modes. Why? Our award's program is based on BPSK31 contacts.
LONP in particular is BPSK31 only.  
Again, Thanks to Jim, K5SP for sharing his macro information.
If anyone has any questions, please express them.
We have some new members that may possibly need our help.
Milt.
N6MG
070-650
LONP #76
<SAVEQSO>
<RXANDCLEAR>


Re: 31 Flavors Sprint – Heads Up !

stan W9SMR
 

Sure, but just be glad you are not in Japan where the 20m contest runs from 19:00 to 12:59. (7 p.m. to 1 p.m.)

As propagation improves, we should take another look at this.

73,
Stan
W9SMR

________________________________________
From: main@070Club.groups.io <main@070Club.groups.io> on behalf of Randy True <w4rttrandy@outlook.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2021 5:30 PM
To: main@070Club.groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] 31 Flavors Sprint – Heads Up !

Yep, just a little dense, I see the 20M only now.


Randy W4RTT

________________________________
From: randy true <w4rttrandy@outlook.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2021 5:24 PM
To: main@070Club.groups.io <main@070Club.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [070Club] 31 Flavors Sprint – Heads Up !

OK, maybe I'm a little dense, but, why 18 and not 24 hours?


Randy W4RTT

________________________________
From: main@070Club.groups.io <main@070Club.groups.io> on behalf of stan W9SMR <robinstan@hotmail.com>
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2021 9:16 PM
To: main@070Club.groups.io <main@070Club.groups.io>
Subject: [070Club] 31 Flavors Sprint – Heads Up !


The Ø7Ø Club 31 Flavors Sprint is just 1 week away -


Saturday, April 3 - 1000 UTC

to Sunday, April 4 – 0359 UTC



This is an 18 hour event

Work any 6 hour block of your choice.



This is a chance to try 6 different PSK modes. Check your software - most will do all PSK Modes. 6 mode variants will be used:

· BPSK 31 [Narrow bandwidth]

· QPSK 31 [Narrow bandwidth]

· BPSK 63 [Wide bandwidth]

· QPSK 63 [Wide bandwidth]

· BPSK 125 [Very wide bandwidth]

· QPSK 125 [Very wide bandwidth]


Sprint Rules – Work a 6 hour block of your choice. For Scoring, your 6 hour block will start with the hour you select on the Upload Link page and continue for the next 6 hours.



Work each station once per mode. (Same station, same mode, is a dupe!)



Open to all licensed radio amateurs.


Frequencies: - 20 Meters only
- Normal PSK sub-band for narrow mode variants,
- Sub-band 14072.5 - 14080 kHz suggested for wide bandwidth mode variants.

3 Power Categories (No 100 W category):
Medium < 50 W

Low < 25 W

QRP < 5 W

Exchange:

- Members: State/Province/Country (SPC) + 070 Member Number eg: “FL 1611”

- Non-Members: State/Province/Country (SPC) + First Name eg. “FL Stan”



Call: “CQ PSK 31 FLAVORS” (Announce Switching to new Mode)

All entry logs must be received within 1 week after the event ends. A 31 Flavors Uploader link will be available on the PODXS 070 Home Page.



For Rules and details, Click Here: 31 Flavors Rules<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.podxs070.com%2Fo7o-club-sponsored-contests%2F31-flavors&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cb863ce866e1246e4b5d408d8f167846f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637524774194011822%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=XM7Vv3H8%2FnTVH31jQBwKsRiTBWWixtasOzHv24C%2FCLo%3D&reserved=0>



This is one of our most interesting contests. If you have never tried these different PSK modes, don't be shy. Jump in and give it a go! You’ll be an expert in no time!



Last year, we had 45 Logs submitted, which is the highest since 2016. Lee, N5SLY, won Top Dawg honors and First Place in the 50W category with a spectacular 92 QSOs utilizing all 6 modes.



Let’s see if we can give Lee some competition this year !

Hope to work you in all 6 modes!

[cid:attach_0_16700E1BE7DEF6A1_18358@groups.io]

73,

Stan

W9SMR - 070 #1611

PODXS 070 - PR Director


Re: 31 Flavors Sprint – Heads Up !

Randy True
 

Yep, just a little dense, I see the 20M only now.

Randy W4RTT


From: randy true <w4rttrandy@...>
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2021 5:24 PM
To: main@070Club.groups.io <main@070Club.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [070Club] 31 Flavors Sprint – Heads Up !
 
OK, maybe I'm a little dense, but, why 18 and not 24 hours?

Randy W4RTT


From: main@070Club.groups.io <main@070Club.groups.io> on behalf of stan W9SMR <robinstan@...>
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2021 9:16 PM
To: main@070Club.groups.io <main@070Club.groups.io>
Subject: [070Club] 31 Flavors Sprint – Heads Up !
 

 The Ø7Ø Club 31 Flavors Sprint is just 1 week away -


Saturday, April 3 - 1000 UTC

to Sunday, April 4 – 0359 UTC

 

This is an 18 hour event

Work any 6 hour block of your choice

 

This is a chance to try 6 different PSK modes.  Check your software - most will do all PSK Modes.  6 mode variants will be used:

·         BPSK 31 [Narrow bandwidth]

·         QPSK 31 [Narrow bandwidth]

·         BPSK 63 [Wide bandwidth]

·         QPSK 63 [Wide bandwidth]

·         BPSK 125 [Very wide bandwidth]

·         QPSK 125 [Very wide bandwidth]

Sprint Rules – Work a 6 hour block of your choice. For Scoring, your 6 hour block will start with the hour you select on the Upload Link page and continue for the next 6 hours

 

Work each station once per mode. (Same station, same mode, is a dupe!)

 

Open to all licensed radio amateurs.

Frequencies: - 20 Meters only
- Normal PSK sub-band for narrow mode variants,
- Sub-band 14072.5 - 14080 kHz suggested for wide bandwidth mode variants.


3 Power Categories (No 100 W category):
Medium < 50 W

Low < 25 W

QRP < 5 W

Exchange: 

- Members: State/Province/Country (SPC) + 070 Member Number   eg: “FL  1611”

- Non-Members: State/Province/Country (SPC) + First Name  eg. “FL  Stan”

 

Call: “CQ PSK 31 FLAVORS”  (Announce Switching to new Mode)


All entry logs
 must be received within 1 week after the event ends. A 31 Flavors Uploader link will be available on the PODXS 070 Home Page.

 

For Rules and detailsClick Here: 31 Flavors Rules

 

This is one of our most interesting contests. If you have never tried these different PSK modes, don't be shy.  Jump in and give it a go!  You’ll be an expert in no time!

 

Last year, we had 45 Logs submitted, which is the highest since 2016. Lee, N5SLY, won Top Dawg honors and First Place in the 50W category with a spectacular 92 QSOs utilizing all 6 modes.

 

Let’s see if we can give Lee some competition this year ! 

Hope to work you in all 6 modes!


 


73,

Stan

W9SMR - 070  #1611

PODXS 070 - PR Director


Re: 31 Flavors Sprint – Heads Up !

Randy True
 

OK, maybe I'm a little dense, but, why 18 and not 24 hours?

Randy W4RTT


From: main@070Club.groups.io <main@070Club.groups.io> on behalf of stan W9SMR <robinstan@...>
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2021 9:16 PM
To: main@070Club.groups.io <main@070Club.groups.io>
Subject: [070Club] 31 Flavors Sprint – Heads Up !
 

 The Ø7Ø Club 31 Flavors Sprint is just 1 week away -


Saturday, April 3 - 1000 UTC

to Sunday, April 4 – 0359 UTC

 

This is an 18 hour event

Work any 6 hour block of your choice

 

This is a chance to try 6 different PSK modes.  Check your software - most will do all PSK Modes.  6 mode variants will be used:

·         BPSK 31 [Narrow bandwidth]

·         QPSK 31 [Narrow bandwidth]

·         BPSK 63 [Wide bandwidth]

·         QPSK 63 [Wide bandwidth]

·         BPSK 125 [Very wide bandwidth]

·         QPSK 125 [Very wide bandwidth]

Sprint Rules – Work a 6 hour block of your choice. For Scoring, your 6 hour block will start with the hour you select on the Upload Link page and continue for the next 6 hours

 

Work each station once per mode. (Same station, same mode, is a dupe!)

 

Open to all licensed radio amateurs.

Frequencies: - 20 Meters only
- Normal PSK sub-band for narrow mode variants,
- Sub-band 14072.5 - 14080 kHz suggested for wide bandwidth mode variants.


3 Power Categories (No 100 W category):
Medium < 50 W

Low < 25 W

QRP < 5 W

Exchange: 

- Members: State/Province/Country (SPC) + 070 Member Number   eg: “FL  1611”

- Non-Members: State/Province/Country (SPC) + First Name  eg. “FL  Stan”

 

Call: “CQ PSK 31 FLAVORS”  (Announce Switching to new Mode)


All entry logs
 must be received within 1 week after the event ends. A 31 Flavors Uploader link will be available on the PODXS 070 Home Page.

 

For Rules and detailsClick Here: 31 Flavors Rules

 

This is one of our most interesting contests. If you have never tried these different PSK modes, don't be shy.  Jump in and give it a go!  You’ll be an expert in no time!

 

Last year, we had 45 Logs submitted, which is the highest since 2016. Lee, N5SLY, won Top Dawg honors and First Place in the 50W category with a spectacular 92 QSOs utilizing all 6 modes.

 

Let’s see if we can give Lee some competition this year ! 

Hope to work you in all 6 modes!


 


73,

Stan

W9SMR - 070  #1611

PODXS 070 - PR Director


Re: 31 Flavors

 

With Fldigi to change modes in a macro.  Setup a Qpsk macro with <MODEM:QPSK31> and a macro for BPSK with <MODEM:BPSK31>
Down at the very lower left there is a box that shows what mode you are using and if you click on that it will bring up the different sub mode, BPSK31, BPSK63, BPSK125 etc.
You can click on the sub mode you want and you're ready to go.  Doing it that way, you won't have to go to the mode tab and do a bunch of hunting.  You should be able to choose any mode in a second or two.
John
KC3FL


Re: 31 Flavors

 

Buddy,
You are correct about "MixW Buttons". It was written by K1PGV and there's a link to his website from his QRZ page. He's also written a utility for callbook lookup that works great with every version on MixW that I've tried.
I used MixW Buttons extensively on MixW 2.19 to supplement the 12 macro's there.. I've upgraded to 3.2, which gives 48 macro's, so I don't need the outboard macro's any longer.
I've looked at the MixW 4. versions, but shy'd away because it's totally new looking, and I've finally got 3.2 playing nicely.
I'm looking forward to getting the 31 Flavors macro's set up to change operating modes.
Milt.
N6MG
070-650


-----Original Message-----
From: F.R. Ashley <gdadx2@...>
To: main@070Club.groups.io
Sent: Sat, Mar 27, 2021 10:57 am
Subject: Re: [070Club] 31 Flavors

Yes you can create macros fore each mode in MixW.   I haven't used MixW
in a while but I believe that macro was in the drop down list of
available macros, you just have to edit it to the mode you want.  There
used to be an app called Mix Buttons that gave you many more macro
buttons to use.  I guess it's still around but not sure if it works with
the MixW 4 versions.

73 Buddy WB4M








Re: 31 Flavors

F.R. Ashley
 

Yes you can create macros fore each mode in MixW.   I haven't used MixW
in a while but I believe that macro was in the drop down list of
available macros, you just have to edit it to the mode you want.  There
used to be an app called Mix Buttons that gave you many more macro
buttons to use.  I guess it's still around but not sure if it works with
the MixW 4 versions.

73 Buddy WB4M


Re: 31 Flavors

Jerry N9AVY
 

Jim:

I'd appreciate that. Thank you .

Jerry n9avy

On Saturday, March 27, 2021, 11:54:18 AM CDT, Jim K5SP <jinnis@...> wrote:


Want me to send you some, got it from manual many moons ago.

Jim K5SP 

On Mar 27, 2021 11:07 AM, Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...> wrote:
Haven't figured that out yet.  

Jerry

On Saturday, March 27, 2021, 10:53:44 AM CDT, N6MG - Milt. via groups.io <n6mg@...> wrote:


Jerry, will you be able to set up macro's to change modes?
Milt.
N6MG


-----Original Message-----
From: Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...>
To: main@070club.groups.io <main@070club.groups.io>
Sent: Sat, Mar 27, 2021 8:44 am
Subject: [070Club] 31 Flavors

Usually I've opted out of this contest because I thought that MixW didn't support BPSK63/125.  Well, I didn't heed my usual instructions of "RTFM" (Read The Flaming Manual).  This morning I went in search of the MixW manual and actually found it, all 167 pages !

Scanned through it and found the info I needed.  Lo and behold I now know how to operate BPSK63/125 and QPSK63/125 !  Not sure why I never read the manual... guess I'll have tp print it out and save it for reference use.

The old saying about "teaching an old dog new tricks"  seems to be valid, but I refuse to sit up, roll over, etc.  Emoji

Jerry  N9AVY


--
Jim,  K5SP #483
Executive Director/Member Services Director


Re: 31 Flavors

Jim K5SP
 

Want me to send you some, got it from manual many moons ago.

Jim K5SP 

On Mar 27, 2021 11:07 AM, Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...> wrote:
Haven't figured that out yet.  

Jerry

On Saturday, March 27, 2021, 10:53:44 AM CDT, N6MG - Milt. via groups.io <n6mg@...> wrote:


Jerry, will you be able to set up macro's to change modes?
Milt.
N6MG


-----Original Message-----
From: Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...>
To: main@070club.groups.io <main@070club.groups.io>
Sent: Sat, Mar 27, 2021 8:44 am
Subject: [070Club] 31 Flavors

Usually I've opted out of this contest because I thought that MixW didn't support BPSK63/125.  Well, I didn't heed my usual instructions of "RTFM" (Read The Flaming Manual).  This morning I went in search of the MixW manual and actually found it, all 167 pages !

Scanned through it and found the info I needed.  Lo and behold I now know how to operate BPSK63/125 and QPSK63/125 !  Not sure why I never read the manual... guess I'll have tp print it out and save it for reference use.

The old saying about "teaching an old dog new tricks"  seems to be valid, but I refuse to sit up, roll over, etc.  Emoji

Jerry  N9AVY


--
Jim,  K5SP #483
Executive Director/Member Services Director


Re: 31 Flavors

Jerry N9AVY
 

Haven't figured that out yet.  

Jerry

On Saturday, March 27, 2021, 10:53:44 AM CDT, N6MG - Milt. via groups.io <n6mg@...> wrote:


Jerry, will you be able to set up macro's to change modes?
Milt.
N6MG


-----Original Message-----
From: Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...>
To: main@070club.groups.io <main@070club.groups.io>
Sent: Sat, Mar 27, 2021 8:44 am
Subject: [070Club] 31 Flavors

Usually I've opted out of this contest because I thought that MixW didn't support BPSK63/125.  Well, I didn't heed my usual instructions of "RTFM" (Read The Flaming Manual).  This morning I went in search of the MixW manual and actually found it, all 167 pages !

Scanned through it and found the info I needed.  Lo and behold I now know how to operate BPSK63/125 and QPSK63/125 !  Not sure why I never read the manual... guess I'll have tp print it out and save it for reference use.

The old saying about "teaching an old dog new tricks"  seems to be valid, but I refuse to sit up, roll over, etc.  Emoji

Jerry  N9AVY

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