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Re: Antennas for 160m

Jerry N9AVY
 

My job as owner/installer of a small alarm company with many commercial installs was a lot of fun.  However, I fell off ladders 4 times  (was hoping for a 5th time and that would have made me an ace - not sure about spelling.).

First time was a few years back when I was on a 4 ft. step and had been working about 16 hours that day. Was tired in both body & mind thought I counted steps coming down, but miscounted and fell backwards onto concrete floor. Ouch.

Another time I was on a 7 ft ladder and again miscounted steps on way down and not only landed on concrete floor, but also against shelving in moving & storage warehouse. 

A couple other falls which I can't recall, but pretty much same story with being exhausted, not counting my steps and ending up on concrete floor - splat ! They were painful experiences.

After a stroke in 2019 my balance was terrible and Dr. said no more ladder climbing... although I did try it once and was pretty shaky. In the course of job over the years I've been up on 24 ft. ladders and scissors lifts working in ceilings.  Probably the stupidest thing I did was up on the roof of Chicago's Civic Center which was 780 odd feet above the street; I walked to edge look over where there was no railing, just a 2 inch rail for window washers.  It was February and fortunately there was no wind (that Chicago is famous for) that day.  Still question why I did that.

Did some other interesting stuff like trained to work in chemical plants where I would have had to climb into large storage tanks. They would tie a rope to my harness and like an idiot I asked what that was for ?  Was told that it was to save the 2 guys who went in after me if I died there. 

Loads of fun !

Jerry   n9avy

On Thursday, December 3, 2020, 09:22:18 PM CST, N6MG - Milt. via groups.io <n6mg@...> wrote:


Well, Jerry, I can hardly understand that Dr's order...I mean from someone that built a bookcase/console for his radio and it collapsed, what could possibly go wrong?
On a serious note, I have to own up to falling off an extension ladder a few years ago. I had the ladder extended up to about 10' agl. I was at the top, leaning waaay out to the left, working on a tangled up American flag. Well, so much for the all-important "weights & balances" that I studied as a Naval Aviator.
The ladder flipped around dumping me in the rose bed below. 
What I remember was things going to slow motion on my way down...I remember thinking, 
"This is gonna hurt!"..."This is gonna hurt!"...
I landed on a coiled up 100' heavy duty hose. No pain! But, I bounced a few feet up in the air and landed on the brick knee wall around the roses and wound up with a broken rib and a bruised shoulder.
Land of the free, home of the brave? That American flag now fends for itself!  
Anybody else have ladder stories?
Milt.
N6MG
070-650
LONP #76



-----Original Message-----
From: Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...>
To: main@070Club.groups.io <main@070Club.groups.io>
Sent: Thu, Dec 3, 2020 4:11 pm
Subject: Re: [070Club] Antennas for 160m

Drs. orders - NO Ladders !

Jerry

On Thursday, December 3, 2020, 06:04:27 PM CST, Barry VA7GEM via groups.io <boat.anchor@...> wrote:


On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 06:42 AM, Jerry N9AVY wrote:
 
Barry: 
 
Thought about taking out a chunk of the tree just below the antenna and then gluing it back together, but problem was how to hold up top of tree while sawing of a few feet. 
 
Jerry
 
On Thursday, December 3, 2020, 08:28:02 AM CST, Barry VA7GEM via groups.io <boat.anchor@...> wrote:
 
Jerry
Easiest way to lower the height is with a chainsaw. 
Bonus is wood for the winter.
Hope to see you on the doubleheader
Barry
Jerry
I reckoned you would just take a few feet out of the bottom.
Old guys should stay off of ladders. My XYL gave mine
to the neighbor.
See you on the Double Header
Barry


Re: Antennas for 160m

Leland Sly
 

I fall down just standing on the floor these days...hi hi.  I have a son that is over 6' tall and when a light bulb needs changing he's the guy I ask.

73

Lee N5SLY

On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 9:22 PM N6MG - Milt. via groups.io <n6mg=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:
Well, Jerry, I can hardly understand that Dr's order...I mean from someone that built a bookcase/console for his radio and it collapsed, what could possibly go wrong?
On a serious note, I have to own up to falling off an extension ladder a few years ago. I had the ladder extended up to about 10' agl. I was at the top, leaning waaay out to the left, working on a tangled up American flag. Well, so much for the all-important "weights & balances" that I studied as a Naval Aviator.
The ladder flipped around dumping me in the rose bed below. 
What I remember was things going to slow motion on my way down...I remember thinking, 
"This is gonna hurt!"..."This is gonna hurt!"...
I landed on a coiled up 100' heavy duty hose. No pain! But, I bounced a few feet up in the air and landed on the brick knee wall around the roses and wound up with a broken rib and a bruised shoulder.
Land of the free, home of the brave? That American flag now fends for itself!  
Anybody else have ladder stories?
Milt.
N6MG
070-650
LONP #76



-----Original Message-----
From: Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...>
To: main@070Club.groups.io <main@070Club.groups.io>
Sent: Thu, Dec 3, 2020 4:11 pm
Subject: Re: [070Club] Antennas for 160m

Drs. orders - NO Ladders !

Jerry

On Thursday, December 3, 2020, 06:04:27 PM CST, Barry VA7GEM via groups.io <boat.anchor=yahoo.ca@groups.io> wrote:


On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 06:42 AM, Jerry N9AVY wrote:
 
Barry: 
 
Thought about taking out a chunk of the tree just below the antenna and then gluing it back together, but problem was how to hold up top of tree while sawing of a few feet. 
 
Jerry
 
On Thursday, December 3, 2020, 08:28:02 AM CST, Barry VA7GEM via groups.io <boat.anchor=yahoo.ca@groups.io> wrote:
 
Jerry
Easiest way to lower the height is with a chainsaw. 
Bonus is wood for the winter.
Hope to see you on the doubleheader
Barry
Jerry
I reckoned you would just take a few feet out of the bottom.
Old guys should stay off of ladders. My XYL gave mine
to the neighbor.
See you on the Double Header
Barry


Re: Antennas for 160m

 

Well, Jerry, I can hardly understand that Dr's order...I mean from someone that built a bookcase/console for his radio and it collapsed, what could possibly go wrong?
On a serious note, I have to own up to falling off an extension ladder a few years ago. I had the ladder extended up to about 10' agl. I was at the top, leaning waaay out to the left, working on a tangled up American flag. Well, so much for the all-important "weights & balances" that I studied as a Naval Aviator.
The ladder flipped around dumping me in the rose bed below. 
What I remember was things going to slow motion on my way down...I remember thinking, 
"This is gonna hurt!"..."This is gonna hurt!"...
I landed on a coiled up 100' heavy duty hose. No pain! But, I bounced a few feet up in the air and landed on the brick knee wall around the roses and wound up with a broken rib and a bruised shoulder.
Land of the free, home of the brave? That American flag now fends for itself!  
Anybody else have ladder stories?
Milt.
N6MG
070-650
LONP #76



-----Original Message-----
From: Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...>
To: main@070Club.groups.io <main@070Club.groups.io>
Sent: Thu, Dec 3, 2020 4:11 pm
Subject: Re: [070Club] Antennas for 160m

Drs. orders - NO Ladders !

Jerry

On Thursday, December 3, 2020, 06:04:27 PM CST, Barry VA7GEM via groups.io <boat.anchor@...> wrote:


On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 06:42 AM, Jerry N9AVY wrote:
 
Barry: 
 
Thought about taking out a chunk of the tree just below the antenna and then gluing it back together, but problem was how to hold up top of tree while sawing of a few feet. 
 
Jerry
 
On Thursday, December 3, 2020, 08:28:02 AM CST, Barry VA7GEM via groups.io <boat.anchor@...> wrote:
 
Jerry
Easiest way to lower the height is with a chainsaw. 
Bonus is wood for the winter.
Hope to see you on the doubleheader
Barry
Jerry
I reckoned you would just take a few feet out of the bottom.
Old guys should stay off of ladders. My XYL gave mine
to the neighbor.
See you on the Double Header
Barry


Re: Antennas for 160m

Jerry N9AVY
 

Drs. orders - NO Ladders !

Jerry

On Thursday, December 3, 2020, 06:04:27 PM CST, Barry VA7GEM via groups.io <boat.anchor@...> wrote:


On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 06:42 AM, Jerry N9AVY wrote:
 
Barry: 
 
Thought about taking out a chunk of the tree just below the antenna and then gluing it back together, but problem was how to hold up top of tree while sawing of a few feet. 
 
Jerry
 
On Thursday, December 3, 2020, 08:28:02 AM CST, Barry VA7GEM via groups.io <boat.anchor@...> wrote:
 
Jerry
Easiest way to lower the height is with a chainsaw. 
Bonus is wood for the winter.
Hope to see you on the doubleheader
Barry
Jerry
I reckoned you would just take a few feet out of the bottom.
Old guys should stay off of ladders. My XYL gave mine
to the neighbor.
See you on the Double Header
Barry


Re: Antennas for 160m

Barry VA7GEM
 

On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 06:42 AM, Jerry N9AVY wrote:
 
Barry: 
 
Thought about taking out a chunk of the tree just below the antenna and then gluing it back together, but problem was how to hold up top of tree while sawing of a few feet. 
 
Jerry
 
On Thursday, December 3, 2020, 08:28:02 AM CST, Barry VA7GEM via groups.io <boat.anchor@...> wrote:
 
Jerry
Easiest way to lower the height is with a chainsaw. 
Bonus is wood for the winter.
Hope to see you on the doubleheader
Barry
Jerry
I reckoned you would just take a few feet out of the bottom.
Old guys should stay off of ladders. My XYL gave mine
to the neighbor.
See you on the Double Header
Barry


RC3 Leaderboards

Jim K5SP
 

The RC3 LeaderBoard and RC3 Top Ten pages have been updated to reflect the standings through the Triple Play.

We have a new leader, KC3FL has risen to the top over last years winner N5SLY by 5.91 points.  Looks like this years champion will be determined by the Doubleheader results (and Lee needs to get something for 160 antenna).

An astonishing 212 operators have garnered points in this years contests to this point.  With fingers crossed on improving conditions, we should be able to surpass that in the next years contests.

73

Jim K5SP


--
Jim,  K5SP #483
Executive Director/Member Services Director


Re: RESULTS - TRIPLE PLAY LOW BAND SPRINT - 2020

Phil Van Huis <pjvanhuis@...>
 

Hi John,

Thanks for responding.  I will do that on QRZ.  Good thought.

Phil, K8PVH

 

 

From: main@070Club.groups.io [mailto:main@070Club.groups.io] On Behalf Of John - KC3FL via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2020 9:59 AM
To: main@070Club.groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] RESULTS - TRIPLE PLAY LOW BAND SPRINT - 2020

 

Phil,
Send me an email so I can get your email address and I'll forward the article to you.  You might want to post it on your QRZ page.
kc3fl@...

John
KC3FL


Re: RESULTS - TRIPLE PLAY LOW BAND SPRINT - 2020

 

Phil,
Send me an email so I can get your email address and I'll forward the article to you.  You might want to post it on your QRZ page.
kc3fl@...

John
KC3FL


Re: Antennas for 160m

Jerry N9AVY
 

Barry: 

Thought about taking out a chunk of the tree just below the antenna and then gluing it back together, but problem was how to hold up top of tree while sawing of a few feet. 

Jerry

On Thursday, December 3, 2020, 08:28:02 AM CST, Barry VA7GEM via groups.io <boat.anchor@...> wrote:

Jerry
Easiest way to lower the height is with a chainsaw. 
Bonus is wood for the winter.
Hope to see you on the doubleheader
Barry


Re: Antennas for 160m

Barry VA7GEM
 

On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 10:30 AM, Jerry N9AVY wrote:
 
160m antenna here is an Alpha-Delta DX-A which worked pretty well until I raised one end into tree and tree grew.  It messed up the angle and now is non-resonant on 160m.  Just need to get at tree and lower the height, but dang rope had tree grow around it and doesn't move.
 
Might get at it b4 the snow flies ...
 
Jerry  n9avy
 
Jerry
Easiest way to lower the height is with a chainsaw. 
Bonus is wood for the winter.
Hope to see you on the doubleheader
Barry


Re: Antennas for 160m

F.R. Ashley
 

Hi all,

I just use a very simple inverted-L and it does pretty good.   It runs
vertical for about 65 feet and then horizontal the rest of the length
over to another tree.   I only have two 1/8th wave radials.   I manged
to earn 160 meter WAS with it and now have about 40 countries.

73 Buddy WB4M

#1545


Re: RESULTS - TRIPLE PLAY LOW BAND SPRINT - 2020

Phil Van Huis <pjvanhuis@...>
 

Hi John,

I too would like the article about the 40, 80 and 160 meter end fed antenna.  160 meters ought to be interesting.

Phil, K8PVH

 

 

From: main@070Club.groups.io [mailto:main@070Club.groups.io] On Behalf Of John - KC3FL via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 10:12 AM
To: main@070Club.groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] RESULTS - TRIPLE PLAY LOW BAND SPRINT - 2020

 

Lee,
I think you're right that it will depend on multipliers.  I got lucky the last night when Venezuela, Panama, Puerto Rico and of all things England popped up.  I had such a poor showing in the 160 mtr sprint so I built an 80 mtr EFHW and used that as a Marconi on 160.  I also built a shortened end fed 40, 80 and 160 mtr antenna that is only about 85 ft long.  If you want to try 160 I can send you the article on the shortened end fed.  You do have an advantage being in the middle of the country and get contacts to the east and west however if I do make contacts to the east, they're multipliers.

John
KC3FL


Re: RESULTS - TRIPLE PLAY LOW BAND SPRINT - 2020

DAVE KB3RAN 1692/381
 

John,

I'd like to get the article on the end fed.  I've never worked 160 and don't have much experience with 80 either.  I might be able to get some wire in the air before the next leg of the low band sprint.

Dave
KB3RAN


-----Original Message-----
From: John - KC3FL via groups.io <kc3fl@...>
To: main@070Club.groups.io
Sent: Wed, Dec 2, 2020 10:11 am
Subject: Re: [070Club] RESULTS - TRIPLE PLAY LOW BAND SPRINT - 2020

Lee,
I think you're right that it will depend on multipliers.  I got lucky the last night when Venezuela, Panama, Puerto Rico and of all things England popped up.  I had such a poor showing in the 160 mtr sprint so I built an 80 mtr EFHW and used that as a Marconi on 160.  I also built a shortened end fed 40, 80 and 160 mtr antenna that is only about 85 ft long.  If you want to try 160 I can send you the article on the shortened end fed.  You do have an advantage being in the middle of the country and get contacts to the east and west however if I do make contacts to the east, they're multipliers.

John
KC3FL


--
Dave H KB3RAN 1692/381


Re: Antennas for 160m

Jerry N9AVY
 

160m antenna here is an Alpha-Delta DX-A which worked pretty well until I raised one end into tree and tree grew.  It messed up the angle and now is non-resonant on 160m.  Just need to get at tree and lower the height, but dang rope had tree grow around it and doesn't move.

Might get at it b4 the snow flies ...

Jerry  n9avy

On Wednesday, December 2, 2020, 12:26:15 PM CST, N6MG - Milt. via groups.io <n6mg@...> wrote:


Jerry, Lot's of information on 160m antenna's.
What do you run on 160m?
Me? I just "force feed" my 80m vertical. When the roll-back circuits kick in, I can still easily make Q's with Fred, W0PE, in Yorba Linda, Ca., about 5 miles away, as the crow flies.
Milt.
070-650

-----Original Message-----
From: Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...>
To: main@070Club.groups.io <main@070Club.groups.io>
Sent: Wed, Dec 2, 2020 8:44 am
Subject: Re: [070Club] Antennas for 160m

Wish that K9DX's remote site was still running.   It had 9   `110 Ft. verticals in a circle (like a 4 square) with a doghouse in middle for tuning.  Then there were all the Beverages.  Visited there a couple of times.  Wonder have been a great site for 070 contests !

As I stated John mounted terminating resistors on fuse holders so the could be plugged in fast when lightning struck. It was a 35 mile trip from his home to the 80 acre site. He had power company out there every time he found noisy power lines and even told them exactly where it was. Now power company no longer comes out for RFI complaints. 

A couple years ago I acquired one of those 43 ft. verticals, but never got it mounted because I needed to pull out old vertical and hunk of pipe it mounted on ... original pipe is 1 1/2 inch aluminum, but new vertical needs 2 inch pipe. Stroke in 2019 cut that and other projects short.

With a Beverage it's been said that you can run them around corners to get more length.  Don't know how that works...

Jerry  n9avy


On Wednesday, December 2, 2020, 10:31:11 AM CST, John - KC3FL via groups.io <kc3fl@...> wrote:


My beverage is short at only 150 ft and it works great on 160 and 80.  I've even used it on 40 and 30 mtrs.  I used something like a 470 ohm terminating resistor but I got tired of changing out the burnt out terminating resistor caused by static discharge so I went to the 5 watt metal oxide ones and the present one has been in use for a year.  Guaranteed to bring out weak 160 mtr signals out of the noise.  I can only imagine how a 3 or 4 hundred ft. long beverage would work.  The 1000MP makes it very easy.

John
KC3FL


Re: Antennas for 160m

 

Jerry, Lot's of information on 160m antenna's.
What do you run on 160m?
Me? I just "force feed" my 80m vertical. When the roll-back circuits kick in, I can still easily make Q's with Fred, W0PE, in Yorba Linda, Ca., about 5 miles away, as the crow flies.
Milt.
070-650

-----Original Message-----
From: Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...>
To: main@070Club.groups.io <main@070Club.groups.io>
Sent: Wed, Dec 2, 2020 8:44 am
Subject: Re: [070Club] Antennas for 160m

Wish that K9DX's remote site was still running.   It had 9   `110 Ft. verticals in a circle (like a 4 square) with a doghouse in middle for tuning.  Then there were all the Beverages.  Visited there a couple of times.  Wonder have been a great site for 070 contests !

As I stated John mounted terminating resistors on fuse holders so the could be plugged in fast when lightning struck. It was a 35 mile trip from his home to the 80 acre site. He had power company out there every time he found noisy power lines and even told them exactly where it was. Now power company no longer comes out for RFI complaints. 

A couple years ago I acquired one of those 43 ft. verticals, but never got it mounted because I needed to pull out old vertical and hunk of pipe it mounted on ... original pipe is 1 1/2 inch aluminum, but new vertical needs 2 inch pipe. Stroke in 2019 cut that and other projects short.

With a Beverage it's been said that you can run them around corners to get more length.  Don't know how that works...

Jerry  n9avy


On Wednesday, December 2, 2020, 10:31:11 AM CST, John - KC3FL via groups.io <kc3fl@...> wrote:


My beverage is short at only 150 ft and it works great on 160 and 80.  I've even used it on 40 and 30 mtrs.  I used something like a 470 ohm terminating resistor but I got tired of changing out the burnt out terminating resistor caused by static discharge so I went to the 5 watt metal oxide ones and the present one has been in use for a year.  Guaranteed to bring out weak 160 mtr signals out of the noise.  I can only imagine how a 3 or 4 hundred ft. long beverage would work.  The 1000MP makes it very easy.

John
KC3FL


Re: Antennas for 160m

Jerry N9AVY
 

Wish that K9DX's remote site was still running.   It had 9   `110 Ft. verticals in a circle (like a 4 square) with a doghouse in middle for tuning.  Then there were all the Beverages.  Visited there a couple of times.  Wonder have been a great site for 070 contests !

As I stated John mounted terminating resistors on fuse holders so the could be plugged in fast when lightning struck. It was a 35 mile trip from his home to the 80 acre site. He had power company out there every time he found noisy power lines and even told them exactly where it was. Now power company no longer comes out for RFI complaints. 

A couple years ago I acquired one of those 43 ft. verticals, but never got it mounted because I needed to pull out old vertical and hunk of pipe it mounted on ... original pipe is 1 1/2 inch aluminum, but new vertical needs 2 inch pipe. Stroke in 2019 cut that and other projects short.

With a Beverage it's been said that you can run them around corners to get more length.  Don't know how that works...

Jerry  n9avy


On Wednesday, December 2, 2020, 10:31:11 AM CST, John - KC3FL via groups.io <kc3fl@...> wrote:


My beverage is short at only 150 ft and it works great on 160 and 80.  I've even used it on 40 and 30 mtrs.  I used something like a 470 ohm terminating resistor but I got tired of changing out the burnt out terminating resistor caused by static discharge so I went to the 5 watt metal oxide ones and the present one has been in use for a year.  Guaranteed to bring out weak 160 mtr signals out of the noise.  I can only imagine how a 3 or 4 hundred ft. long beverage would work.  The 1000MP makes it very easy.

John
KC3FL


Re: Antennas for 160m

 

My beverage is short at only 150 ft and it works great on 160 and 80.  I've even used it on 40 and 30 mtrs.  I used something like a 470 ohm terminating resistor but I got tired of changing out the burnt out terminating resistor caused by static discharge so I went to the 5 watt metal oxide ones and the present one has been in use for a year.  Guaranteed to bring out weak 160 mtr signals out of the noise.  I can only imagine how a 3 or 4 hundred ft. long beverage would work.  The 1000MP makes it very easy.

John
KC3FL


Antennas for 160m

Jerry N9AVY
 

The setup that many use is a vertical on 160m with a beverage antenna for receive.

The beverage antenna doesn't have to be very high... just run it along a fence or even lower. A friend's lot borders on on a forest preserve area and in Winter he'd run his beverage antenna out there, but had to take it down when weather turned nice and people went tramping about.

With a beverage, the longer the better.  One thing is that the far end needs to be terminated with a 600 Ohm resistor... K9DX had several Beverage antenna, but he was out in farmland and there was a bit of lightning activity at times which blew some resistors; so he made the resistors plugable. 

There is also the option of using a magnetic loop. I built one a few years ago and it's still in garage.  It's a 4 ft. box loop , but never got any further because I didn't have a transmit antenna.  Magnetic loops worked quite well for me back in my SWL days when I'd DX on the AM broadcast band. Had a 2 ft. loop which enabled me to null out local 50KW WGN and hear the Cuban station underneath it. Was about 6 miles from WGN transmitter site.

A mag loop can be homebrewed way cheaper than commercial models sold on net. Using wood dowels and hookup wire, probably less than $50 as opposed to commercial model which go for around $500. The antenna can be placed anywhere you have room for it and can be rotated for best reception (armstrong method).

Many radios have the capability of using a receive only antenna... the FT-1000MP has a front panel AB/RX switch for that reason.Am sure others do as well.

Antennas for 160m depend on what you have room for installing. Length of a 1/2 wave dipole is like 260 ft. ... the closer you get to that length the better.  There are many articles on the net for 160m antennas. 

Jerry  n9avy


On Wednesday, December 2, 2020, 09:35:29 AM CST, Rick - N7WE <n7we1980@...> wrote:


Please add me in too John.  I had a very, very poor temp setup that I can no longer setup and take down.  Sure would like to get something up for 160 that WORKS and I could leave up!  Thanks!
--
Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602


Re: RESULTS - TRIPLE PLAY LOW BAND SPRINT - 2020

Rick - N7WE
 

Please add me in too John.  I had a very, very poor temp setup that I can no longer setup and take down.  Sure would like to get something up for 160 that WORKS and I could leave up!  Thanks!
--
Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602


Re: RESULTS - TRIPLE PLAY LOW BAND SPRINT - 2020

Paul Butzi (W7PFB)
 

I would be interested in 160m antenna designs as well!

-p W7PFB
73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun!

On Dec 2, 2020, at 7:18 AM, Leland Sly <lee.n5sly@...> wrote:

Yes...I have been wanting to put something together for 160 meters.  So I would be interested in any suggestions.

Thanks.

73

Lee N5SLY

On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 9:11 AM John - KC3FL via groups.io <kc3fl=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:

Lee,
I think you're right that it will depend on multipliers.  I got lucky the last night when Venezuela, Panama, Puerto Rico and of all things England popped up.  I had such a poor showing in the 160 mtr sprint so I built an 80 mtr EFHW and used that as a Marconi on 160.  I also built a shortened end fed 40, 80 and 160 mtr antenna that is only about 85 ft long.  If you want to try 160 I can send you the article on the shortened end fed.  You do have an advantage being in the middle of the country and get contacts to the east and west however if I do make contacts to the east, they're multipliers.

John
KC3FL




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