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Re: PSK31 Freq's

Stephen Melachrinos
 

Bill is exactly correct. The .15 is the giveaway, for precisely the reason that he states.

This is from way back in 1999, when PSK first came out (and PSK31 was the only variant). By 2000, new software had come out (DigiPan was one of the first) that did the tuning in the software instead of the hardware, so the "down to the Hz" went away. You can read about all of these "new" developments in Rick Palm's "PSK31 2000{ article in May 2000 QST if you search the QST archives.

Steve
W3HF

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Williams <bill.ag4qx@...>
To: main@070club.groups.io
Sent: Wed, Sep 16, 2020 10:18 pm
Subject: Re: [070Club] PSK31 Freq's

With most radios and software setup using a 3kc waterfall bandwidth setting the radio at 14.070150 leaves a bandwidth of 2.850kc in our normal range so it is a very small difference on 20M.  40M is 10kc off the current range so nothing would be seen of PSK there.  Just a huge difference between current use of a radio setting and the waterfall using the 3kc bandwidth and then when you had no bandwidth.

Bill
AG4QX
0398

On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 10:11 PM Steve R via groups.io <oldjavadrinker=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Ahhh. Ok. So this is an old list not anything new. 
Makes sense. Just trying to straighten out a local club member who likes to argue.

I told him to go ahead and set on those Freqs and let me know how many QSOs you make, hi!

Steve 


On Sep 16, 2020, at 21:55, Bill Williams <bill.ag4qx@...> wrote:


I believe it is the original frequency list from before PSK software had waterfalls with see and click.  That is why the frequency is listed down to the hertz level.  You had to set your radio on the exact frequency blind to make a contact.

73,
Bill
AG4QX
0398

On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 9:49 PM Steve R via groups.io <oldjavadrinker=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I agree with you....I am trying to trace down this source of misinformation.....where and why is this posted on QSl.net? 
HAs anyone heard or seen this chart and source?

Steve

On Wednesday, September 16, 2020, 09:40:07 p.m. EDT, N9JCA Chris Matthews <chris.n9jca@...> wrote:


160M = 1.807
80M = 3.580
40M = 7.070 ( US ) 7.035 ( EU )
30M = 10.140
20M = 14.070
17M = 18.097
15M = 21.070
12M = 24.920
10M = 28.120
6M = 50.290
Chris N9JCA
73
On 9/16/20 8:10 PM, Steve R via groups.io wrote:
One of the clubs members sent me the following from QSL.net saying that these are new PSK31 Frequencies. I have not heard of such changes and of course still making contacts at .070 where applicable. He is claiming these are active now. Ahh, I am making contacts on standard freqs.  Anyone heard of this change or seen this?

Steve
VA3FLF /KM4FLF
2301

PSK31 HF FrequenciesPSK31 VHF Frequencies
BandFrequencyBandFrequency
160 meters1.838.150 MHz6 meters50.290 MHz
80 meters3.580.150 MHz2 meters
144.144 MHz
40 meters7.080.150 MHz *1.25 meters222.07 MHz
30 meters10.142.150 MHz70 centi-meters432.2 MHz
20 meters14.070.150 MHz33 centi-meters909 MHz
17 meters18.100.150 MHz  
15 meters21.080.150 MHz **  
12 meters24.920.150 MHz  
10 meters28.120.150 MHz  


Re: PSK31 Freq's

Bill Williams
 

With most radios and software setup using a 3kc waterfall bandwidth setting the radio at 14.070150 leaves a bandwidth of 2.850kc in our normal range so it is a very small difference on 20M.  40M is 10kc off the current range so nothing would be seen of PSK there.  Just a huge difference between current use of a radio setting and the waterfall using the 3kc bandwidth and then when you had no bandwidth.

Bill
AG4QX
0398

On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 10:11 PM Steve R via groups.io <oldjavadrinker=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Ahhh. Ok. So this is an old list not anything new. 
Makes sense. Just trying to straighten out a local club member who likes to argue.

I told him to go ahead and set on those Freqs and let me know how many QSOs you make, hi!

Steve 


On Sep 16, 2020, at 21:55, Bill Williams <bill.ag4qx@...> wrote:


I believe it is the original frequency list from before PSK software had waterfalls with see and click.  That is why the frequency is listed down to the hertz level.  You had to set your radio on the exact frequency blind to make a contact.

73,
Bill
AG4QX
0398

On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 9:49 PM Steve R via groups.io <oldjavadrinker=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I agree with you....I am trying to trace down this source of misinformation.....where and why is this posted on QSl.net? 
HAs anyone heard or seen this chart and source?

Steve

On Wednesday, September 16, 2020, 09:40:07 p.m. EDT, N9JCA Chris Matthews <chris.n9jca@...> wrote:


160M = 1.807

80M = 3.580

40M = 7.070 ( US ) 7.035 ( EU )

30M = 10.140

20M = 14.070

17M = 18.097

15M = 21.070

12M = 24.920

10M = 28.120

6M = 50.290

Chris N9JCA

73

On 9/16/20 8:10 PM, Steve R via groups.io wrote:
One of the clubs members sent me the following from QSL.net saying that these are new PSK31 Frequencies. I have not heard of such changes and of course still making contacts at .070 where applicable. He is claiming these are active now. Ahh, I am making contacts on standard freqs.  Anyone heard of this change or seen this?

Steve
VA3FLF /KM4FLF
2301

PSK31 HF FrequenciesPSK31 VHF Frequencies
BandFrequencyBandFrequency
160 meters1.838.150 MHz6 meters50.290 MHz
80 meters3.580.150 MHz2 meters

144.144 MHz

40 meters7.080.150 MHz *1.25 meters222.07 MHz
30 meters10.142.150 MHz70 centi-meters432.2 MHz
20 meters14.070.150 MHz33 centi-meters909 MHz
17 meters18.100.150 MHz  
15 meters21.080.150 MHz **  
12 meters24.920.150 MHz  
10 meters28.120.150 MHz  


Re: PSK31 Freq's

Steve VA3FLF/KM4FLF
 

Ahhh. Ok. So this is an old list not anything new. 
Makes sense. Just trying to straighten out a local club member who likes to argue.

I told him to go ahead and set on those Freqs and let me know how many QSOs you make, hi!

Steve 


On Sep 16, 2020, at 21:55, Bill Williams <bill.ag4qx@...> wrote:


I believe it is the original frequency list from before PSK software had waterfalls with see and click.  That is why the frequency is listed down to the hertz level.  You had to set your radio on the exact frequency blind to make a contact.

73,
Bill
AG4QX
0398

On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 9:49 PM Steve R via groups.io <oldjavadrinker=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I agree with you....I am trying to trace down this source of misinformation.....where and why is this posted on QSl.net? 
HAs anyone heard or seen this chart and source?

Steve

On Wednesday, September 16, 2020, 09:40:07 p.m. EDT, N9JCA Chris Matthews <chris.n9jca@...> wrote:


160M = 1.807

80M = 3.580

40M = 7.070 ( US ) 7.035 ( EU )

30M = 10.140

20M = 14.070

17M = 18.097

15M = 21.070

12M = 24.920

10M = 28.120

6M = 50.290

Chris N9JCA

73

On 9/16/20 8:10 PM, Steve R via groups.io wrote:
One of the clubs members sent me the following from QSL.net saying that these are new PSK31 Frequencies. I have not heard of such changes and of course still making contacts at .070 where applicable. He is claiming these are active now. Ahh, I am making contacts on standard freqs.  Anyone heard of this change or seen this?

Steve
VA3FLF /KM4FLF
2301

PSK31 HF FrequenciesPSK31 VHF Frequencies
BandFrequencyBandFrequency
160 meters1.838.150 MHz6 meters50.290 MHz
80 meters3.580.150 MHz2 meters

144.144 MHz

40 meters7.080.150 MHz *1.25 meters222.07 MHz
30 meters10.142.150 MHz70 centi-meters432.2 MHz
20 meters14.070.150 MHz33 centi-meters909 MHz
17 meters18.100.150 MHz  
15 meters21.080.150 MHz **  
12 meters24.920.150 MHz  
10 meters28.120.150 MHz  


Re: PSK31 Freq's

Bill Williams
 

I believe it is the original frequency list from before PSK software had waterfalls with see and click.  That is why the frequency is listed down to the hertz level.  You had to set your radio on the exact frequency blind to make a contact.

73,
Bill
AG4QX
0398

On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 9:49 PM Steve R via groups.io <oldjavadrinker=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I agree with you....I am trying to trace down this source of misinformation.....where and why is this posted on QSl.net? 
HAs anyone heard or seen this chart and source?

Steve

On Wednesday, September 16, 2020, 09:40:07 p.m. EDT, N9JCA Chris Matthews <chris.n9jca@...> wrote:


160M = 1.807

80M = 3.580

40M = 7.070 ( US ) 7.035 ( EU )

30M = 10.140

20M = 14.070

17M = 18.097

15M = 21.070

12M = 24.920

10M = 28.120

6M = 50.290

Chris N9JCA

73

On 9/16/20 8:10 PM, Steve R via groups.io wrote:
One of the clubs members sent me the following from QSL.net saying that these are new PSK31 Frequencies. I have not heard of such changes and of course still making contacts at .070 where applicable. He is claiming these are active now. Ahh, I am making contacts on standard freqs.  Anyone heard of this change or seen this?

Steve
VA3FLF /KM4FLF
2301

PSK31 HF FrequenciesPSK31 VHF Frequencies
BandFrequencyBandFrequency
160 meters1.838.150 MHz6 meters50.290 MHz
80 meters3.580.150 MHz2 meters

144.144 MHz

40 meters7.080.150 MHz *1.25 meters222.07 MHz
30 meters10.142.150 MHz70 centi-meters432.2 MHz
20 meters14.070.150 MHz33 centi-meters909 MHz
17 meters18.100.150 MHz  
15 meters21.080.150 MHz **  
12 meters24.920.150 MHz  
10 meters28.120.150 MHz  


Re: PSK31 Freq's

Steve VA3FLF/KM4FLF
 

I agree with you....I am trying to trace down this source of misinformation.....where and why is this posted on QSl.net? 
HAs anyone heard or seen this chart and source?

Steve

On Wednesday, September 16, 2020, 09:40:07 p.m. EDT, N9JCA Chris Matthews <chris.n9jca@...> wrote:


160M = 1.807

80M = 3.580

40M = 7.070 ( US ) 7.035 ( EU )

30M = 10.140

20M = 14.070

17M = 18.097

15M = 21.070

12M = 24.920

10M = 28.120

6M = 50.290

Chris N9JCA

73

On 9/16/20 8:10 PM, Steve R via groups.io wrote:
One of the clubs members sent me the following from QSL.net saying that these are new PSK31 Frequencies. I have not heard of such changes and of course still making contacts at .070 where applicable. He is claiming these are active now. Ahh, I am making contacts on standard freqs.  Anyone heard of this change or seen this?

Steve
VA3FLF /KM4FLF
2301

PSK31 HF FrequenciesPSK31 VHF Frequencies
BandFrequencyBandFrequency
160 meters1.838.150 MHz6 meters50.290 MHz
80 meters3.580.150 MHz2 meters

144.144 MHz

40 meters7.080.150 MHz *1.25 meters222.07 MHz
30 meters10.142.150 MHz70 centi-meters432.2 MHz
20 meters14.070.150 MHz33 centi-meters909 MHz
17 meters18.100.150 MHz  
15 meters21.080.150 MHz **  
12 meters24.920.150 MHz  
10 meters28.120.150 MHz  


Re: PSK31 Freq's

N9JCA Chris Matthews <chris.n9jca@...>
 

160M = 1.807

80M = 3.580

40M = 7.070 ( US ) 7.035 ( EU )

30M = 10.140

20M = 14.070

17M = 18.097

15M = 21.070

12M = 24.920

10M = 28.120

6M = 50.290

Chris N9JCA

73

On 9/16/20 8:10 PM, Steve R via groups.io wrote:
One of the clubs members sent me the following from QSL.net saying that these are new PSK31 Frequencies. I have not heard of such changes and of course still making contacts at .070 where applicable. He is claiming these are active now. Ahh, I am making contacts on standard freqs.  Anyone heard of this change or seen this?

Steve
VA3FLF /KM4FLF
2301

PSK31 HF Frequencies PSK31 VHF Frequencies
Band Frequency Band Frequency
160 meters 1.838.150 MHz 6 meters 50.290 MHz
80 meters 3.580.150 MHz 2 meters

144.144 MHz

40 meters 7.080.150 MHz * 1.25 meters 222.07 MHz
30 meters 10.142.150 MHz 70 centi-meters 432.2 MHz
20 meters 14.070.150 MHz 33 centi-meters 909 MHz
17 meters 18.100.150 MHz    
15 meters 21.080.150 MHz **    
12 meters 24.920.150 MHz    
10 meters 28.120.150 MHz    


PSK31 Freq's

Steve VA3FLF/KM4FLF
 

One of the clubs members sent me the following from QSL.net saying that these are new PSK31 Frequencies. I have not heard of such changes and of course still making contacts at .070 where applicable. He is claiming these are active now. Ahh, I am making contacts on standard freqs.  Anyone heard of this change or seen this?

Steve
VA3FLF /KM4FLF
2301

PSK31 HF Frequencies PSK31 VHF Frequencies
Band Frequency Band Frequency
160 meters 1.838.150 MHz 6 meters 50.290 MHz
80 meters 3.580.150 MHz 2 meters

144.144 MHz

40 meters 7.080.150 MHz * 1.25 meters 222.07 MHz
30 meters 10.142.150 MHz 70 centi-meters 432.2 MHz
20 meters 14.070.150 MHz 33 centi-meters 909 MHz
17 meters 18.100.150 MHz    
15 meters 21.080.150 MHz **    
12 meters 24.920.150 MHz    
10 meters 28.120.150 MHz    


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Re: I think I figured out the trigger for the award applications being reset problem

JEFF WALSH
 

Many thanks to all the members volunteering their time to keep the club going during this time of  transition !!!!
Jeff 
W3WMU 


On Sep 10, 2020, at 8:01 AM, Jim K5SP <jinnis@...> wrote:



Bob

The endorsement checker that does the awards is located on hamclubs.info.  We are fully aware of the issue, however we do not own the software, cannot access the source code, and cannot fix it.  The software is owned by an individual that is no longer maintaining any of the software on that particular server.

David K9DWR is working on replacement software but his time is limited.  As you can imagine with all the various types of awards that we have, creating a program program that will accept your adif submission, parse it, and then check the entire log for every possible award is a daunting task. We will get it done, but it is going to take time. 

Right now, the only members working on the software are myself, K9DWR (David), and K4RJD (Richard).  So far, we have created a new online membership application, created the software that displays the latest members, and the recent donors for display on the website.  Currently besides the endorsement checker, Richard is working on moving all of our data into a MySql database, and I am working on the website and generating some Google Web Apps to retrieve data. (the membership info in CSV is one thing, now working on recreating the LONP page).   Some of our software issues cannot be "fixed" until we have the new endorsement checker working.

Please be patient, we are working hard in the the background (as time permits) to get everything off of hamclubs.info and onto the server that hosts podxs070.com.

If you know of any Python, Javascript, JSON, software gurus, have them volunteer to assist.

73

Jim K5SP 

On 9/9/2020 9:09 PM, K4VBM wrote:
A while back, I pointed out that my award submissions for approval were being reset and I had to re-apply for them over and over.

Well, I just realized that the trigger for that happening is when you upload your latest .ADI file.  Somewhere in the processing for that new file, awards that have already been achieved and submitted (marked in ORANGE) are being reset to the un-submitted state (GREEN).

Just have your programmer look at the logic for processing a newly uploaded .ADI file.
It should NOT be resetting any awards that have already been applied for and marked submitted.

Q.E.D.

73,

Bob
K4VBM (Very Bad Memory)







--
Jim,  K5SP #483
Executive Director/Member Services Director


Re: I think I figured out the trigger for the award applications being reset problem

Jim K5SP
 

Bob

The endorsement checker that does the awards is located on hamclubs.info.  We are fully aware of the issue, however we do not own the software, cannot access the source code, and cannot fix it.  The software is owned by an individual that is no longer maintaining any of the software on that particular server.

David K9DWR is working on replacement software but his time is limited.  As you can imagine with all the various types of awards that we have, creating a program program that will accept your adif submission, parse it, and then check the entire log for every possible award is a daunting task. We will get it done, but it is going to take time. 

Right now, the only members working on the software are myself, K9DWR (David), and K4RJD (Richard).  So far, we have created a new online membership application, created the software that displays the latest members, and the recent donors for display on the website.  Currently besides the endorsement checker, Richard is working on moving all of our data into a MySql database, and I am working on the website and generating some Google Web Apps to retrieve data. (the membership info in CSV is one thing, now working on recreating the LONP page).   Some of our software issues cannot be "fixed" until we have the new endorsement checker working.

Please be patient, we are working hard in the the background (as time permits) to get everything off of hamclubs.info and onto the server that hosts podxs070.com.

If you know of any Python, Javascript, JSON, software gurus, have them volunteer to assist.

73

Jim K5SP 

On 9/9/2020 9:09 PM, K4VBM wrote:
A while back, I pointed out that my award submissions for approval were being reset and I had to re-apply for them over and over.

Well, I just realized that the trigger for that happening is when you upload your latest .ADI file.  Somewhere in the processing for that new file, awards that have already been achieved and submitted (marked in ORANGE) are being reset to the un-submitted state (GREEN).

Just have your programmer look at the logic for processing a newly uploaded .ADI file.
It should NOT be resetting any awards that have already been applied for and marked submitted.

Q.E.D.

73,

Bob
K4VBM (Very Bad Memory)







--
Jim,  K5SP #483
Executive Director/Member Services Director


I think I figured out the trigger for the award applications being reset problem

GA - Bob - K4VBM
 

A while back, I pointed out that my award submissions for approval were being reset and I had to re-apply for them over and over.

Well, I just realized that the trigger for that happening is when you upload your latest .ADI file.  Somewhere in the processing for that new file, awards that have already been achieved and submitted (marked in ORANGE) are being reset to the un-submitted state (GREEN).

Just have your programmer look at the logic for processing a newly uploaded .ADI file.
It should NOT be resetting any awards that have already been applied for and marked submitted.

Q.E.D.

73,

Bob
K4VBM (Very Bad Memory)


Re: Come and get Wyoming" Special Event W7Y

GA - Bob - K4VBM
 

Thanks for the QSO Bill - nice strong signal from WY.
I may pull my QSL letter from the mailbox since it is Memorial Day and add your QSO to my QSL card hi hi!

Bob
K4VBM (Very Bad Memory)

On 9/7/2020 3:45 PM, Bill-N7RI wrote:
I'll be watching for you Bob.  Thanks.

On Mon, Sep 7, 2020 at 1:38 PM K4VBM <ptcorners@...> wrote:
Got Dale on CW 20m and already sent for the QSL card, but I will try to get you, Bill, on PSK.

Thanks.

73 and stay safe,

Bob
K4VBM (Very Bad Memory)

On 9/7/2020 3:19 PM, Bill-N7RI wrote:
Special event station W7Y is on the air through the 15th.  I'll be on 20 for the next hour or so.  If anyone needs WY on a different band, shoot me a note and I'll see what I can do.
Also, on the ShyWyARC.com webpage is a schedule of everyone working different bands and modes if you need even more.
73
Bill
N7RI
070-1190



Re: Come and get Wyoming" Special Event W7Y

Bill-N7RI
 

I'll be watching for you Bob.  Thanks.


On Mon, Sep 7, 2020 at 1:38 PM K4VBM <ptcorners@...> wrote:
Got Dale on CW 20m and already sent for the QSL card, but I will try to get you, Bill, on PSK.

Thanks.

73 and stay safe,

Bob
K4VBM (Very Bad Memory)

On 9/7/2020 3:19 PM, Bill-N7RI wrote:
Special event station W7Y is on the air through the 15th.  I'll be on 20 for the next hour or so.  If anyone needs WY on a different band, shoot me a note and I'll see what I can do.
Also, on the ShyWyARC.com webpage is a schedule of everyone working different bands and modes if you need even more.
73
Bill
N7RI
070-1190


Re: Come and get Wyoming" Special Event W7Y

Bill-N7RI
 

Thanks Chuck.  


On Mon, Sep 7, 2020 at 1:36 PM Chuck M via groups.io <cam51mail=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
thanks for the qso.  Was glad to take part.
73
Chuck
kd9dvb


On Monday, September 7, 2020, 03:19:44 PM EDT, Bill-N7RI <n7ri.wy@...> wrote:


Special event station W7Y is on the air through the 15th.  I'll be on 20 for the next hour or so.  If anyone needs WY on a different band, shoot me a note and I'll see what I can do.
Also, on the ShyWyARC.com webpage is a schedule of everyone working different bands and modes if you need even more.
73
Bill
N7RI
070-1190


Re: Come and get Wyoming" Special Event W7Y

GA - Bob - K4VBM
 

Got Dale on CW 20m and already sent for the QSL card, but I will try to get you, Bill, on PSK.

Thanks.

73 and stay safe,

Bob
K4VBM (Very Bad Memory)

On 9/7/2020 3:19 PM, Bill-N7RI wrote:
Special event station W7Y is on the air through the 15th.  I'll be on 20 for the next hour or so.  If anyone needs WY on a different band, shoot me a note and I'll see what I can do.
Also, on the ShyWyARC.com webpage is a schedule of everyone working different bands and modes if you need even more.
73
Bill
N7RI
070-1190


Re: Come and get Wyoming" Special Event W7Y

Chuck M
 

thanks for the qso.  Was glad to take part.
73
Chuck
kd9dvb


On Monday, September 7, 2020, 03:19:44 PM EDT, Bill-N7RI <n7ri.wy@...> wrote:


Special event station W7Y is on the air through the 15th.  I'll be on 20 for the next hour or so.  If anyone needs WY on a different band, shoot me a note and I'll see what I can do.
Also, on the ShyWyARC.com webpage is a schedule of everyone working different bands and modes if you need even more.
73
Bill
N7RI
070-1190


Come and get Wyoming" Special Event W7Y

Bill-N7RI
 

Special event station W7Y is on the air through the 15th.  I'll be on 20 for the next hour or so.  If anyone needs WY on a different band, shoot me a note and I'll see what I can do.
Also, on the ShyWyARC.com webpage is a schedule of everyone working different bands and modes if you need even more.
73
Bill
N7RI
070-1190


Re: PSK Assist

Richard Rohrer
 

I have found on my IC7410 and IC7100 that I need one bar showing for full power out.  As Bob mentioned it does change with what band I am operating. Seems like the higher frequencies, 20 and above, need less audio input than the lower frequencies, 30 and down.  I made a chart of what my audio input setting should be and try to remember to set the audio when I change bands.  Since the PSKMeters are hard to find, I use a SDR receiver with Fldigi to check my signal.  I saw a Youtube video on how to set up with a scope, but have not done that as of yet.  

I also noticed that my FT817ND need at least one bar of ALC or there is no output.  

I missed the 80 sprint, as we are working in MD and I don't have an 80mtr antenna for the van.  

73
Dick - KC3EF

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