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Re: Sending logs ???

David, K9DWR
 

* Stephen Melachrinos via groups.io <melachri=verizon.net@groups.io> [2020-06-02 00:56]:

Many systems still accept the now-deprecated MODE of PSK31, in order to
retain compatibility with older logging software. And the KJ4IZW software
(upon which our current but soon-to-be-nonfunctional) award scorer does.
Eventually, I would expect the backward-compatibility t end, so every ADIF
file with have to use both MODE and SUBMODE to define PSK31. SteveW3HF
The ADIF standard actually requires upward compatibility and allows for _import_ of
.adif files based on older specs with deprecated fields.

http://adif.org/310/ADIF_310.htm#Upward_Compatibility

II.A. Upward Compatibility
From one version of ADIF to the next, Data Types, Enumerations, Fields, and
Formats shall be upwardly compatible, meaning that an ADIF file compliant with
ADIF version N will comply with any future ADIF version M where M>N.

II.B. Deprecation
Deprecated fields and enumeration values shall be accepted when importing an
ADIF file, but shall not be emitted when exporting an ADIF file.


So old, crusty adif files should always be able to be read and parsed. In
practice, I have rarely seen drastically out-of-date file formats and I code
for finding PSK31 in mode and submode fields.

--
David, K9DWR
#1604 LONP #255
david@graniteweb.com


Re: 10 meter 10-10 contest anyone?

Brian (N2MLP)
 

10 meters open now

 

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         de N2MLP Brian

       Monroe County PA

 

 

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From: main@070Club.groups.io [mailto:main@070Club.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bo W4GHV
Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2020 3:49 PM
To: main@070Club.groups.io
Subject: [070Club] 10 meter 10-10 contest anyone?

 

Definitely not a 'full time job' with 10 asleep most of the time.
I use the handy app http://hamalert.org to wake me when it is alive. Nice program

Bo W4GHV
https://www.qrz.com/db/W4GHV


Re: Dupes?

David, K9DWR
 

* Eric <radio@hollywoodtitle.com> [2020-05-31 09:34]:

I wonder how much grief it actual causes the checker.
None at all. I have code to throw out dupes; they will get flagged as "dupe"
and get listed in the errors portion of the output I send out.

--
David, K9DWR
#1604 LONP #255
david@graniteweb.com


10 meter 10-10 contest anyone?

Bo W4GHV
 

Definitely not a 'full time job' with 10 asleep most of the time.
I use the handy app http://hamalert.org to wake me when it is alive. Nice program

Bo W4GHV
https://www.qrz.com/db/W4GHV


Re: [skcc] FT8 encroachment

Jerry N9AVY
 

An interesting article written by Tomas, NW7US, who has been around a while. It's good to know that the IARU (international) has been involved because they may carry more weight than ARRL. This bears watching for future developments, if any. The FT-8 guys might get sent to the woodshed....

Jerry

On Monday, June 1, 2020, 08:32:50 PM CDT, Dan Morris - KZ3T <dbmorris315@...> wrote:


This is an interesting read for anyone that has not seen it yet!!

Please review. Some action may be needed; developing situation.

https://www.amateurradio.com/land-er-frequency-grab/

Dan Morris  KZ3T

I live to live for Him!



Re: WOW !! - TDW 2020 is in the Logs!

Jim K5SP
 

Congratulations Mike! 

It seems like the first 100 are the hardest to get these days, because band conditions are not conducive to operators being on the air.  Reaching the next plateau will come sooner than you realize, because TDW proved that when people are on the air, contacts CAN be made.

Looking forward to you receiving another sticker for LONP contacts.

73

Jim K5SP


On 6/1/2020 11:29 PM, Mike W4BZM wrote:
Stan,
     You periodically post my status, so I'll offer this summary update:  The request for LONP has been submitted  :)

     I wasn't a serioius competitor in TDW.  I had neither the multi-band antenna nor the time available to try to rack up a high score.  So I operated as a search-and-pounce "sharpshooter", taking advantage of the contest as an opportunity to contact PODXS members I had never logged before.  Going into the contest:  96 members logged.  After the contest:  104 members logged.  Mission successful.

     I know it's a small achievement compared to Jerry N9AVY or our other more experienced members, but having just started using PSK-31 in Jan 2017, I'm pretty happy to make the first plateau.  On to 150!

     Thank you for your continued encouragement, both before and after the TDW contest.

Mike W4BZM

--
Jim,  K5SP #483
Executive Director/Member Services Director


Re: WOW !! - TDW 2020 is in the Logs!

Mike W4BZM
 

Stan,
     You periodically post my status, so I'll offer this summary update:  The request for LONP has been submitted  :)

     I wasn't a serioius competitor in TDW.  I had neither the multi-band antenna nor the time available to try to rack up a high score.  So I operated as a search-and-pounce "sharpshooter", taking advantage of the contest as an opportunity to contact PODXS members I had never logged before.  Going into the contest:  96 members logged.  After the contest:  104 members logged.  Mission successful.

     I know it's a small achievement compared to Jerry N9AVY or our other more experienced members, but having just started using PSK-31 in Jan 2017, I'm pretty happy to make the first plateau.  On to 150!

     Thank you for your continued encouragement, both before and after the TDW contest.

Mike W4BZM


Re: [skcc] FT8 encroachment

Mike Besemer - WM4B #348 <mwbesemer@...>
 

Seems like the world is getting tired of Joe’s power trip.

 

Mike

WM4B

 

From: main@070Club.groups.io [mailto:main@070Club.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dan Morris - KZ3T
Sent: Monday, June 1, 2020 9:33 PM
To: 070club@groups.io
Subject: [070Club] [skcc] FT8 encroachment

 

This is an interesting read for anyone that has not seen it yet!!

 

Please review. Some action may be needed; developing situation.



https://www.amateurradio.com/land-er-frequency-grab/

 

Dan Morris  KZ3T

 

I live to live for Him!

 


[skcc] FT8 encroachment

Dan Morris - KZ3T
 

This is an interesting read for anyone that has not seen it yet!!

Please review. Some action may be needed; developing situation.

https://www.amateurradio.com/land-er-frequency-grab/

Dan Morris  KZ3T

I live to live for Him!



Re: Sending logs ???

Stephen Melachrinos
 

Not all scoring systems are set up the same way. 

Back when PSK31 was invented, it was (for a while) the only PSK mode. So the ADIF standard called it a MODE and defined the MODE as PSK31. This results in an ADIF entry that includes the following:

<MODE:5>PSK31

After a while, PSK submodes proliferated. For a while, they were added as additional modes, like

<MODE:5>PSK63
<MODE:6>PSK125

Eventually there became so many that the ADIF standard was changed to define all the variants as part of a PSK "MODE" family, with defined (and required) submodes. That results in the above three becoming

<MODE:3>PSK<SUBMODE:5>PSK31
<MODE:3>PSK<SUBMODE:5>PSK63
<MODE:3>PSK<SUBMODE:6>PSK125

Many systems still accept the now-deprecated MODE of PSK31, in order to retain compatibility with older logging software. And the KJ4IZW software (upon which our current but soon-to-be-nonfunctional) award scorer does. Eventually, I would expect the backward-compatibility t end, so every ADIF file with have to use both MODE and SUBMODE to define PSK31.

Steve
W3HF


-----Original Message-----
From: Steve R via groups.io <oldjavadrinker@...>
To: main@070club.groups.io
Sent: Mon, Jun 1, 2020 8:04 pm
Subject: Re: [070Club] Sending logs ???

Ok great. It seemed o
To work last time I updated my QSO’s for awards but I screwed it up this time somehow.

Anyway, thanks I upload in a bit.

73
Steve 
VA3FLF




On Jun 1, 2020, at 20:01, Rick - N7WE <n7we1980@...> wrote:

Steve-
I should have been clearer.  When you export from HRD Logbook, export it to just an ADI file.  In the Fields to Export, use the  ADIF Only button.  Choose a file name and save somewhere on your computer - not to ADIF master.  There is no need to strip anything out before you upload your saved file to the contest checker.  
--
Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602


Re: Log Fields and such

Stephen Melachrinos
 

Sherri -

If you use another logging program, just put the 070 number in a "Notes" of an "Exchange" field. This contest is being scored manually, and David says he'll find the number pretty much anywhere you put them.

73,
Steve
W3HF


-----Original Message-----
From: N9JCA Chris Matthews <chris.n9jca@...>
To: main@070Club.groups.io
Sent: Mon, Jun 1, 2020 3:19 pm
Subject: Re: [070Club] Log Fields and such

If you use AClog 2 ways to do it
1) make an SRX column in the "other' Listing
2) make a PODXS listing the same way
just add their PODXS # in the corresponding Category
Chris N9JCA
73


On 6/1/20 7:15 PM, Sherri Rapp wrote:
Greetings, everyone! I know this question has been asked before, but I can't find the answer after searching through the recent messages. I know we need an ADIF for upload...not an issue for me. However, what field do we use for the 070 #? Is there a log file example that I can view? Please go easy on me. I haven't done a 070 contest in probably 2 years and I mostly use pen and paper.

Thanks!
Sherri Rapp, #2601


Re: Sending logs ???

Steve VA3FLF/KM4FLF
 

Ok great. It seemed o
To work last time I updated my QSO’s for awards but I screwed it up this time somehow.

Anyway, thanks I upload in a bit.

73
Steve 
VA3FLF




On Jun 1, 2020, at 20:01, Rick - N7WE <n7we1980@...> wrote:

Steve-
I should have been clearer.  When you export from HRD Logbook, export it to just an ADI file.  In the Fields to Export, use the  ADIF Only button.  Choose a file name and save somewhere on your computer - not to ADIF master.  There is no need to strip anything out before you upload your saved file to the contest checker.  
--
Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602


Re: Sending logs ???

Eric <radio@...>
 

Steve,

I had this problem too.  ADIF Master Needs a submode.  One is PSK the other is PSK31

HTH

73 de Eric, KG6MZS

On Jun 1, 2020, at 4:38 PM, Steve R via groups.io <oldjavadrinker@...> wrote:

Need some help. I exported my HRD log as adif too Adif Master. I tried stripping out some of the misc stuff such as qsl, etc. After I saved it I get a Mode invalid...Mode is PSK31. Any ideas?

Or can I jjust upload the HRD LOG as an Adif to the scorer which is prob easier at this point?

Steve
VA3FLF



Re: Sending logs ???

Rick - N7WE
 

Steve-
I should have been clearer.  When you export from HRD Logbook, export it to just an ADI file.  In the Fields to Export, use the  ADIF Only button.  Choose a file name and save somewhere on your computer - not to ADIF master.  There is no need to strip anything out before you upload your saved file to the contest checker.  
--
Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602


Re: Sending logs ???

Rick - N7WE
 

Steve-
If you are talking about an ADIF export from the HRD logbook within the HRD suite, it works fine business and you just upload the resulting ADIF file.  If you are talking about HRDLog.net, I don't know as I do not use that online service.
--
Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602


Re: Sending logs ???

Steve VA3FLF/KM4FLF
 

Need some help. I exported my HRD log as adif too Adif Master. I tried stripping out some of the misc stuff such as qsl, etc. After I saved it I get a Mode invalid...Mode is PSK31. Any ideas?

Or can I jjust upload the HRD LOG as an Adif to the scorer which is prob easier at this point?

Steve
VA3FLF


Re: Some non-members are in violation of Part 97

Jerry N9AVY
 

There is a lot of wiggle room in contests ... basically the ARRL called me out on that when I was an OO when I cite around 50 stations for being out of band. Contests are a real relaxation of Part 97 rules, there is a lot of sloppy operation, but it's overlooked.

So long you get you ID in on the last transmission, you should be okay. Have heard many stations just sign with "SK" or my pet peeve "KKK" (Klan Members ?) One letter K is enough unless they need to send everything 3 times - it's an affectation not unlike "seventy trees".

You'll be fine.

73 Jerry n9avy

P.S. Many thanks for your 070# which helped put me over the top ... 1011 LONP !!!

On Monday, June 1, 2020, 04:57:50 PM CDT, James Wilson <sagejw@...> wrote:


Hello Jerry, Thanks for this information.  A friend of mine may have
done this in the past.  He will strive to do better, hi hi.

Is there wiggle room in this rule or is this to be accepted literally?
The reason I ask his on voice communications for contests once the CQ
calling station and the sending station have completed the QSO, the CQ
calling station will normally end with QRZ not giving me the
opportunity to send my call sign at the end of the transmission.

In digital modes if the sending station immediately calls CQ at the
"end" of the payload exchange how should one go about properly ending
the exchange?  Should the station that has not sent their call sign
switch frequency and send an end of QSO?

Last dumb question is at the end of the QSO is it acceptable to send
"k6wrj 73 sk" or should it be "73 sk k6wrj"?

I strive to follow the rules and I am just not sure this one can
always be followed literally.

73 k6wrj

On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 2:26 PM Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...> wrote:
>
> Over the past several months, have seen many stations violate Part 97 regarding ID procedures (ref 97.119a Station Identification).  Which states that station ID must be given initially, every 10 minutes thereafter and at the end of the contact.
>
> The trend seems to be to say "73 and SK (end of transmission with no response required)"  and just disappear.  Stations who do this can at some time expect to receive an FCC  Official Notification of Violation.  While no PODXS members are guilty of this, am pretty sure most of violators have never read Part 97 and just don't know. Amateurs used to be proud of their operations, but it seem,s that in past decade or so a lot of sloppy operators have hit the airwaves.
>
> The new FCC Monitor program is just beginning and I'm sure they will find fertile hunting ground amongst digital operators; especially the unruly FT8 operators.  Let me state that this is not that widespread and it's just a few who are problematic.
>
> PODXS Members are great operators and should be good examples to all.
>
> <end of rant>
>
> n9avy

>
>
>



Re: Some non-members are in violation of Part 97

James Wilson
 

Hello Jerry, Thanks for this information. A friend of mine may have
done this in the past. He will strive to do better, hi hi.

Is there wiggle room in this rule or is this to be accepted literally?
The reason I ask his on voice communications for contests once the CQ
calling station and the sending station have completed the QSO, the CQ
calling station will normally end with QRZ not giving me the
opportunity to send my call sign at the end of the transmission.

In digital modes if the sending station immediately calls CQ at the
"end" of the payload exchange how should one go about properly ending
the exchange? Should the station that has not sent their call sign
switch frequency and send an end of QSO?

Last dumb question is at the end of the QSO is it acceptable to send
"k6wrj 73 sk" or should it be "73 sk k6wrj"?

I strive to follow the rules and I am just not sure this one can
always be followed literally.

73 k6wrj

On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 2:26 PM Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Over the past several months, have seen many stations violate Part 97 regarding ID procedures (ref 97.119a Station Identification). Which states that station ID must be given initially, every 10 minutes thereafter and at the end of the contact.

The trend seems to be to say "73 and SK (end of transmission with no response required)" and just disappear. Stations who do this can at some time expect to receive an FCC Official Notification of Violation. While no PODXS members are guilty of this, am pretty sure most of violators have never read Part 97 and just don't know. Amateurs used to be proud of their operations, but it seem,s that in past decade or so a lot of sloppy operators have hit the airwaves.

The new FCC Monitor program is just beginning and I'm sure they will find fertile hunting ground amongst digital operators; especially the unruly FT8 operators. Let me state that this is not that widespread and it's just a few who are problematic.

PODXS Members are great operators and should be good examples to all.

<end of rant>

n9avy



Some non-members are in violation of Part 97

Jerry N9AVY
 

Over the past several months, have seen many stations violate Part 97 regarding ID procedures (ref 97.119a Station Identification). Which states that station ID must be given initially, every 10 minutes thereafter and at the end of the contact.

The trend seems to be to say "73 and SK (end of transmission with no response required)" and just disappear. Stations who do this can at some time expect to receive an FCC Official Notification of Violation. While no PODXS members are guilty of this, am pretty sure most of violators have never read Part 97 and just don't know. Amateurs used to be proud of their operations, but it seem,s that in past decade or so a lot of sloppy operators have hit the airwaves.

The new FCC Monitor program is just beginning and I'm sure they will find fertile hunting ground amongst digital operators; especially the unruly FT8 operators. Let me state that this is not that widespread and it's just a few who are problematic.

PODXS Members are great operators and should be good examples to all.

<end of rant>

n9avy


Re: How Much Power Are You Running There?

Chuck M
 

We were able to arrange to have an engineer from Duke Energy speak at our local ham radio club last year.  Interesting talk on the different ways RFI can be generated.  Some key points if you think you're getting interference from the power utility.  If you're interested, will dig up the person's name and contact info to see if he could give a talk to your group.  He's from NC and was able to arrange a trip here for other Duke business.  YMMV, etc., when the whole covid mess settles down a bit.

1)  Take some notes on when it happens, frequencies, etc. 
2)  To confirm it's not anything within your responsibility, turn off ALL POWER to your house, e.g. turn off main breaker, operate your equipment, lighting, etc. from battery power.   
3)  Assuming that the above confirms it's outside your house, when you call the utility tell them that you're a ham radio operator and are experiencing radio frequency interference.  People answering the phones are not engineers or techs.  They'll know where to send your info based on that.

73s
Chuck
KD9DVB


On Monday, June 1, 2020, 3:30:18 PM EDT, Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...> wrote:


Eric:

We had power company problems here with local repeater on 400 ft. tower. We were lucky to have a few retired Motorola engineers around who traced the problem down to faulty lightning suppressors supplied to power company. One engineer went to company in nearby Elk Grove Village (IL) which made the suppressors and found that test fixture was defective. Who knows how many thousands were supplied to power companies all over ???

Finally after a few months the lightning arrestors were replaced and the noise on repeater "magically" went away and we were able to once again hear weaker signals.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it !

Jerry
On Monday, June 1, 2020, 01:58:54 PM CDT, Eric KG6MZS <eric@...> wrote:


If you click over to the second photo you can see a little better the side of the copter reads "Powerline Survey."  I guess Edison got stung with some lawsuits after the wildfires, so they have been madly updating infrastructure.  The pole across the street from the shack got replaced with all new hardware.  Much less noise on HF now.

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