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Re: Dick KC3EF

Jerry N9AVY
 

Same here !

Jerry n9avy

On Thursday, May 28, 2020, 07:16:43 AM CDT, Jim K5SP <jinnis@...> wrote:


Bo,

With ACLog, you can export directly to ADIF, you don't need the external programs such as ADIF Master.  I have used ACLog for about 20 years, and have always done direct export for 070 club submissions, and no problems noted.

Jim K5SP

On 5/28/2020 5:27 AM, Bo W4GHV wrote:
Just figured it out.
Going to use one of the fldigi contest settings that snag serial numbers with just a click and takes it to 
N3FJP logger.  
I use the ADIF master and ADIF to Cabrillo programs to prepare for the submissions.

Bo W4GHV 

--
Jim,  K5SP #483
Member Services Director


Re: Dick KC3EF

Jim K5SP
 

Bo,

With ACLog, you can export directly to ADIF, you don't need the external programs such as ADIF Master.  I have used ACLog for about 20 years, and have always done direct export for 070 club submissions, and no problems noted.

Jim K5SP

On 5/28/2020 5:27 AM, Bo W4GHV wrote:
Just figured it out.
Going to use one of the fldigi contest settings that snag serial numbers with just a click and takes it to 
N3FJP logger.  
I use the ADIF master and ADIF to Cabrillo programs to prepare for the submissions.

Bo W4GHV 

--
Jim,  K5SP #483
Member Services Director


Re: Recommended PSK-31 Frequencies

Bo W4GHV
 

Thanks!


Re: Dick KC3EF

Bo W4GHV
 

Just figured it out.
Going to use one of the fldigi contest settings that snag serial numbers with just a click and takes it to 
N3FJP logger.  
I use the ADIF master and ADIF to Cabrillo programs to prepare for the submissions.

Bo W4GHV 


Re: Recommended PSK-31 Frequencies

stan W9SMR
 

For our new members, see the 070 Recommended Frequency List below. 

Use this as a guide during the upcoming Three Day Weekend Contest - TDW

Note that all 070 Contests will not use the WARC Bands ( 30M, 17M and 12M )

070 Club Recommended PSK31 Frequencies

The introduction of FT8 digital mode, particularly in the 17m band, has made it necessary to reevaluate our recommended frequencies for 070 Club PSK31 activities.  Here are our recommendations as of March 30, 2019.

160m 1.807 MHz

80m  3.580 MHz

40m  7.070 MHz

30m 10.140 MHz

20m 14.070 MHz

17m 18.097 MHz

15m 21.070 MHz

12m 24.920 MHz

10m 28.120 MHz

6m 50.290 MHz

Please note: Operating frequencies and emission type are controlled by both the ITU and the regulatory agencies of the Country of operation.  Permitted frequencies for PSK31 mode may vary from those listed above. Always make sure your operation conforms to the regulations for the location from which you are operating!


FT-4's introduction is just going to exacerbate things, I'm afraid. It may be that we have to co-exist among them for now, as there's just not much room on 30m. bandplans.com<https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bandplans.com%2Findex.php%3Fband%3D30&data=02%7C01%7C%7C08f2ff0c588d413570d808d7f509927c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637247293763312179&sdata=JzvbYxbTqdXkzuN2kWUWYWtYfcZOs7HZY527Sb782uE%3D&reserved=0> suggests (in addition to 10.140 for PSK-31) 10.130-10.132.5 for PSK-31, so maybe give that a try.

I'm not sure why they even have designated frequencies on WARC bands considering that it's specifically designed as a mode for contesting, at least from my understanding.

Wherever else you try, just be sure to communicate and coordinate your frequency with others on the reflector in order to maximize the odds of finding a partner at a "new home" on the band.

Hope that helps...
73

Matt King
AK4MK - 070 #1708

Originally posted on May 1, by Matt - AK4MK , as message #59819 with new suggested freq for 070 Club.


Re: Dick KC3EF

Bo W4GHV
 

How do you get the received number exchange into N3FJP from fldigi? Help.
Typing it is old fashioned 


Tomorrow - Three Day Weekend Contest-TDW 2020

stan W9SMR
 

TDW – Three Day Weekend Contest - TDW - is the biggest 070 Contest of the year.

 

Less than 24 hours away. Starting 8 p.m. EDT on Thursday, May 28.

Three Day Weekend will start 0000 UTC on Friday, May 29 through 2359 on Sunday, May 31.  This Contest includes all bands from 160M to 6M (no WARC Bands).


The contest is open to all amateurs. Welcome Newcomers and invite them to join us.

 

There are some rules changes this year (*) so be sure to review the rules at: TDW Rules

 

There will be 6 Bonus Stations spread across the continent, so everybody should have plenty to pick from. Bonus Stations count as 100 points.

 

2019 TDW Top Dawg and 2019 RC3 Champion, Lee, N5SLY, will be a Bonus Station and he brings his magical contest skills to make this a contest to remember.

 

Here is the complete list of 2020 Bonus Stations.

 

CALL NAME QTH SPC TIME
N5SLY Lee Sherman TX CDT
VA3TPS Steve Fenelon Falls ON EDT
KC3FL John Inverness FL EDT
N9AVY Jerry Marengo IL CDT
KK6KMU Bob Oceanside CA PDT
VA7GEM Barry North Vancouver BC PDT

A popular contest like the TDW is an optimum opportunity to make great progress on your endorsements. Keep your eyes open for new 070 Members. Several members are oh, so close to success. Mike, W4BZM sits at 95 QSOs and Bill, N3XL is at 89, poised to grab their LONP.

And the King of LONP, Steve, W3HF, has uploaded a record 1,649 member QSO’s. Runner-up, Delos, NO8R, has a very respectful 1,451. Next is Tom, K8TOM, with 1,250. Bonus Station, Jerry, N9AVY has 999 member QSOs toward the ethereal 1,000 LONP Level.

 

And Top Dawg Lee, N5SLY is just one letter i short of the very challenging WTW, Work The World Award. Lee is also leading in the 2020 RC3 Race so far.

Don’t forget to check for Sporadic-E propagation on 6M. It is the season for that! Post your QSY intentions on the Reflector and be sure to spot anything seen (and yourself) on PSKReporter.

Logs will be due 1 week after the contest closes.

So check the rules, arrange your schedule to participate as much as you can, relax and enjoy the PODXS 070 TDW Contest.

 

73,

 Stan

W9SMR - 070  #1611

PODXS 070 - PR Director

 

* If you have any technical questions on why the TDW rules changed and how it will work this year contact Steve, W3HF at:   melachri (at) Verizon (dot) net


Re: More FT8 creep

Peter Hiltz
 

Guys,

I'm ignorant of these new JT modes by do have a sense of the issue.  Can we just learn how to change the frequencies (if it is at all possible) and propagate that information to the world?  Obviously not everyone will listen, but it might start a trend and if it implies that JT won't or can't make the adjustment, that might encourage him to reconsider.

Pete, WV3S

On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 9:23 PM Mike Besemer - WM4B #348 <mwbesemer@...> wrote:

I wrote him a very polite and carefully worded email when this debacle started several years ago.  (For the record, I work for the Department of the Air Force and write correspondence for Colonels and General Officers, so I know how to tip-toe around an issue.)  His response to me was basically to pound sand – he was the great JT – wizard of all modes digital - and he’d do as he damn well pleased, since PSK was SO 1990s.

 

You can give it a shot… maybe you’ll have better luck than I did -  but personally I wouldn’t pee on his head if his hair was on fire.

 

Mike

WM4B

 

 

 

From: main@070Club.groups.io [mailto:main@070Club.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chuck M via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 8:10 PM
To: main@070Club.groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] More FT8 creep

 

Should we all email JT with a civil and polite request to not use psk frequencies?  

 

Emphasize civil and polite.  Don't want a flame war.  We should take the high ground.

 

Or would this cause more problems?

 

Something to ponder.

 

73s

Chuck

KD9DVB

 

 

On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 7:35 PM, Jerry N9AVY

<n9avy@...> wrote:


Figured that. Not a big priority for ARRL with them being quarantined.

Jerry

On Wednesday, May 27, 2020, 06:20:22 PM CDT, Stephen Melachrinos via groups.io <melachri=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

 

 

Jerry -

 

It's not Lee's fault--he just copied the ARRL web page at:

 

 

That still says "Official Observer Program" as of 2320z today. But the link to the OO program is broken.


Steve

W3HF

-----Original Message-----
From: Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...>
To: main@070Club.groups.io
Sent: Wed, May 27, 2020 10:20 pm
Subject: Re: [070Club] More FT8 creep

Lee:

Your information seems to be slightly out of date because there is no longer an Official Observer program. It was dropped over a year ago in favor of a newer monitoring program headed by Riley Hollingsworth which is supposed to be tied closer to the FCC. I was an Official Observer until the program was dropped almost without warning. There were about 750-800 OOs and I have no idea how the new program is functioning or with how many hams involved.

As far as complaining to ARRL, I believe complaints will fall on deaf ears because they see FT-8 as the wave of the future and have jumped on the band wagon. Many of my DX friends (also ARRL members) have jumped headlong into FT-8. Am sure many complaints were filed with ARRL when AM was replaced by SSB back in late 50s.

Jerry n9avy

On Wednesday, May 27, 2020, 04:12:06 PM CDT, KB1NAL via groups.io <kb1nal=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

 

 

Hello Guys,

 

   I've been following this thread, because of my concern with these ignorant irresponsible disrespectful FT8 operators, who think they can operate anywhere in the digital hf bands.   In my opinion, I would flood Dan and Steve 's email boxes with your concerns, since these guys are paid employees for the League.  You can even call them direct to speak your concerns, so things do not get misinterpreted via email.  Here is a copy off the League's website regarding the Regulatory Group.  Tell them you want this researched thoroughly and you'd like to get some resolution within a week.

 

The ARRL Regulatory Information Branch is responsible for interpretations of Amateur Radio regulatory issues. These include:

  • Concerns about FCC rules and regulations,
  • Applications for a new or renewed amateur licenses,
  • Changes of address
  • Vanity call sign applications and operations overseas

RIB staff maintain and administer:

Answers to most of your regulatory concerns can be found on these pages or you may contact us for additional information.

Additonal Resources

The ARRL recommends the following publications on regulatory topics:

  • Antenna Zoning for the Radio Amateur by Fred Hopengarten
    Everything you and your attorney need to know to obtain a permit for your antenna support system.

Contact Us -- ARRL HQ Regulatory Staff

Dan Henderson, N1ND

Tel: 860-594-0236
E-mail: reginfo@...
Fax: 860-594-0259

Administrator, ARRL Volunteer Counsel and Volunteer Consulting Engineer Programs.

Duties include:

  • General regulatory questions
  • RFI regulatory information
  • Antenna restrictions
  • International operating

Steve Ewald, WV1X

Tel: 860-594-0265
E-mail: wv1x@...

Field and Regulatory Correspondent, Coordinator: Amateur Auxiliary to the FCC, Administrator: ARRL Monitoring System

Duties Include:

  • Handling of matters with an existing or potential enforcement issue
  • Spectrum management (band sharing, frequency coordination information, etc)
  • Backup of general regulatory inquiries

Note:

Amateurs occasionally ask for ARRL General Counsel to assist with a problem or question. Please note that ARRL's counsels are not employees of the ARRL but are retained to provide services to the ARRL Board and are not available to provide legal advice to ARRRL members. Questions requiring a legal opinion can be asked of an ARRL Volunteer Counsel in your area.

 

Volunteer Counsel Program

The American Radio Relay League (ARRL) is the national association for amateur radio, connecting hams around the...

 

Good Luck!   Something has got to be done about these FT8 jackasses taking over HF digital frequencies.

 

V/R,

 

  Lee KB1NAL

 

 

 

 



--
WV3S
Monitoring 146.52 MHz & the CCARC UHF Repeater
WV3S@...   put //WL2K R/ in the subject line


Digifest observes PSK-31 bands :)

Mike W4BZM
 

With all the recent grousing about FT8 "incursions", it's worth noting that the folks running DigiFest 2020 are going out of their way to avoid QRMing PSK-31 operations.  (https://rigexpert.com/digifest/rules/)

DigiFest, scheduled for three different periods 6 and 7 June, is a competition using unconventional digital modes -- RTTY75, BPSK 63, MFSK 16, Hellschreiber, and Olivia 250/4.  

Under the "Bands" section is the specific comment "Please leave PSK31 band (14070...14071) for non-contest operation.".  But the Rules go beyond that.  Section 10 of the rules lists "Disqualifications", which includes "For usage of PSK31 band (14070...14071)."

So let's give an attaboy to the sponsors of DigiFest:  KyivDX and Contest Club, MixW team, and Rig Expert Ukraine, Ltd.

Mike W4BZM


Re: More FT8 creep

Mike Besemer - WM4B #348 <mwbesemer@...>
 

I wrote him a very polite and carefully worded email when this debacle started several years ago.  (For the record, I work for the Department of the Air Force and write correspondence for Colonels and General Officers, so I know how to tip-toe around an issue.)  His response to me was basically to pound sand – he was the great JT – wizard of all modes digital - and he’d do as he damn well pleased, since PSK was SO 1990s.

 

You can give it a shot… maybe you’ll have better luck than I did -  but personally I wouldn’t pee on his head if his hair was on fire.

 

Mike

WM4B

 

 

 

From: main@070Club.groups.io [mailto:main@070Club.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chuck M via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 8:10 PM
To: main@070Club.groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] More FT8 creep

 

Should we all email JT with a civil and polite request to not use psk frequencies?  

 

Emphasize civil and polite.  Don't want a flame war.  We should take the high ground.

 

Or would this cause more problems?

 

Something to ponder.

 

73s

Chuck

KD9DVB

 

 

On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 7:35 PM, Jerry N9AVY

<n9avy@...> wrote:


Figured that. Not a big priority for ARRL with them being quarantined.

Jerry

On Wednesday, May 27, 2020, 06:20:22 PM CDT, Stephen Melachrinos via groups.io <melachri@...> wrote:

 

 

Jerry -

 

It's not Lee's fault--he just copied the ARRL web page at:

 

 

That still says "Official Observer Program" as of 2320z today. But the link to the OO program is broken.


Steve

W3HF

-----Original Message-----
From: Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...>
To: main@070Club.groups.io
Sent: Wed, May 27, 2020 10:20 pm
Subject: Re: [070Club] More FT8 creep

Lee:

Your information seems to be slightly out of date because there is no longer an Official Observer program. It was dropped over a year ago in favor of a newer monitoring program headed by Riley Hollingsworth which is supposed to be tied closer to the FCC. I was an Official Observer until the program was dropped almost without warning. There were about 750-800 OOs and I have no idea how the new program is functioning or with how many hams involved.

As far as complaining to ARRL, I believe complaints will fall on deaf ears because they see FT-8 as the wave of the future and have jumped on the band wagon. Many of my DX friends (also ARRL members) have jumped headlong into FT-8. Am sure many complaints were filed with ARRL when AM was replaced by SSB back in late 50s.

Jerry n9avy

On Wednesday, May 27, 2020, 04:12:06 PM CDT, KB1NAL via groups.io <kb1nal@...> wrote:

 

 

Hello Guys,

 

   I've been following this thread, because of my concern with these ignorant irresponsible disrespectful FT8 operators, who think they can operate anywhere in the digital hf bands.   In my opinion, I would flood Dan and Steve 's email boxes with your concerns, since these guys are paid employees for the League.  You can even call them direct to speak your concerns, so things do not get misinterpreted via email.  Here is a copy off the League's website regarding the Regulatory Group.  Tell them you want this researched thoroughly and you'd like to get some resolution within a week.

 

The ARRL Regulatory Information Branch is responsible for interpretations of Amateur Radio regulatory issues. These include:

  • Concerns about FCC rules and regulations,
  • Applications for a new or renewed amateur licenses,
  • Changes of address
  • Vanity call sign applications and operations overseas

RIB staff maintain and administer:

Answers to most of your regulatory concerns can be found on these pages or you may contact us for additional information.

Additonal Resources

The ARRL recommends the following publications on regulatory topics:

  • Antenna Zoning for the Radio Amateur by Fred Hopengarten
    Everything you and your attorney need to know to obtain a permit for your antenna support system.

Contact Us -- ARRL HQ Regulatory Staff

Dan Henderson, N1ND

Tel: 860-594-0236
E-mail: reginfo@...
Fax: 860-594-0259

Administrator, ARRL Volunteer Counsel and Volunteer Consulting Engineer Programs.

Duties include:

  • General regulatory questions
  • RFI regulatory information
  • Antenna restrictions
  • International operating

Steve Ewald, WV1X

Tel: 860-594-0265
E-mail: wv1x@...

Field and Regulatory Correspondent, Coordinator: Amateur Auxiliary to the FCC, Administrator: ARRL Monitoring System

Duties Include:

  • Handling of matters with an existing or potential enforcement issue
  • Spectrum management (band sharing, frequency coordination information, etc)
  • Backup of general regulatory inquiries

Note:

Amateurs occasionally ask for ARRL General Counsel to assist with a problem or question. Please note that ARRL's counsels are not employees of the ARRL but are retained to provide services to the ARRL Board and are not available to provide legal advice to ARRRL members. Questions requiring a legal opinion can be asked of an ARRL Volunteer Counsel in your area.

 

Volunteer Counsel Program

The American Radio Relay League (ARRL) is the national association for amateur radio, connecting hams around the...

 

Good Luck!   Something has got to be done about these FT8 jackasses taking over HF digital frequencies.

 

V/R,

 

  Lee KB1NAL

 

 

 

 


Re: More FT8 creep

Chuck M
 

Should we all email JT with a civil and polite request to not use psk frequencies?  

Emphasize civil and polite.  Don't want a flame war.  We should take the high ground.

Or would this cause more problems?

Something to ponder.

73s
Chuck
KD9DVB



On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 7:35 PM, Jerry N9AVY
<n9avy@...> wrote:

Figured that. Not a big priority for ARRL with them being quarantined.

Jerry
On Wednesday, May 27, 2020, 06:20:22 PM CDT, Stephen Melachrinos via groups.io <melachri@...> wrote:


Jerry -

It's not Lee's fault--he just copied the ARRL web page at:


That still says "Official Observer Program" as of 2320z today. But the link to the OO program is broken.

Steve
W3HF


-----Original Message-----
From: Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...>
To: main@070Club.groups.io
Sent: Wed, May 27, 2020 10:20 pm
Subject: Re: [070Club] More FT8 creep

Lee:

Your information seems to be slightly out of date because there is no longer an Official Observer program. It was dropped over a year ago in favor of a newer monitoring program headed by Riley Hollingsworth which is supposed to be tied closer to the FCC. I was an Official Observer until the program was dropped almost without warning. There were about 750-800 OOs and I have no idea how the new program is functioning or with how many hams involved.

As far as complaining to ARRL, I believe complaints will fall on deaf ears because they see FT-8 as the wave of the future and have jumped on the band wagon. Many of my DX friends (also ARRL members) have jumped headlong into FT-8. Am sure many complaints were filed with ARRL when AM was replaced by SSB back in late 50s.

Jerry n9avy
On Wednesday, May 27, 2020, 04:12:06 PM CDT, KB1NAL via groups.io <kb1nal@...> wrote:


Hello Guys,

   I've been following this thread, because of my concern with these ignorant irresponsible disrespectful FT8 operators, who think they can operate anywhere in the digital hf bands.   In my opinion, I would flood Dan and Steve 's email boxes with your concerns, since these guys are paid employees for the League.  You can even call them direct to speak your concerns, so things do not get misinterpreted via email.  Here is a copy off the League's website regarding the Regulatory Group.  Tell them you want this researched thoroughly and you'd like to get some resolution within a week.

The ARRL Regulatory Information Branch is responsible for interpretations of Amateur Radio regulatory issues. These include:
  • Concerns about FCC rules and regulations,
  • Applications for a new or renewed amateur licenses,
  • Changes of address
  • Vanity call sign applications and operations overseas
RIB staff maintain and administer:
Answers to most of your regulatory concerns can be found on these pages or you may contact us for additional information.

Additonal Resources

The ARRL recommends the following publications on regulatory topics:
  • Antenna Zoning for the Radio Amateur by Fred Hopengarten
    Everything you and your attorney need to know to obtain a permit for your antenna support system.

Contact Us -- ARRL HQ Regulatory Staff

Dan Henderson, N1ND
Tel: 860-594-0236
E-mail: reginfo@...
Fax: 860-594-0259
Administrator, ARRL Volunteer Counsel and Volunteer Consulting Engineer Programs.
Duties include:
  • General regulatory questions
  • RFI regulatory information
  • Antenna restrictions
  • International operating
Steve Ewald, WV1X
Tel: 860-594-0265
E-mail: wv1x@...
Field and Regulatory Correspondent, Coordinator: Amateur Auxiliary to the FCC, Administrator: ARRL Monitoring System
Duties Include:
  • Handling of matters with an existing or potential enforcement issue
  • Spectrum management (band sharing, frequency coordination information, etc)
  • Backup of general regulatory inquiries

Note:

Amateurs occasionally ask for ARRL General Counsel to assist with a problem or question. Please note that ARRL's counsels are not employees of the ARRL but are retained to provide services to the ARRL Board and are not available to provide legal advice to ARRRL members. Questions requiring a legal opinion can be asked of an ARRL Volunteer Counsel in your area.


Good Luck!   Something has got to be done about these FT8 jackasses taking over HF digital frequencies.

V/R,

  Lee KB1NAL





Re: More FT8 creep

Jerry N9AVY
 


Figured that. Not a big priority for ARRL with them being quarantined.

Jerry

On Wednesday, May 27, 2020, 06:20:22 PM CDT, Stephen Melachrinos via groups.io <melachri@...> wrote:


Jerry -

It's not Lee's fault--he just copied the ARRL web page at:


That still says "Official Observer Program" as of 2320z today. But the link to the OO program is broken.

Steve
W3HF


-----Original Message-----
From: Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...>
To: main@070Club.groups.io
Sent: Wed, May 27, 2020 10:20 pm
Subject: Re: [070Club] More FT8 creep

Lee:

Your information seems to be slightly out of date because there is no longer an Official Observer program. It was dropped over a year ago in favor of a newer monitoring program headed by Riley Hollingsworth which is supposed to be tied closer to the FCC. I was an Official Observer until the program was dropped almost without warning. There were about 750-800 OOs and I have no idea how the new program is functioning or with how many hams involved.

As far as complaining to ARRL, I believe complaints will fall on deaf ears because they see FT-8 as the wave of the future and have jumped on the band wagon. Many of my DX friends (also ARRL members) have jumped headlong into FT-8. Am sure many complaints were filed with ARRL when AM was replaced by SSB back in late 50s.

Jerry n9avy
On Wednesday, May 27, 2020, 04:12:06 PM CDT, KB1NAL via groups.io <kb1nal@...> wrote:


Hello Guys,

   I've been following this thread, because of my concern with these ignorant irresponsible disrespectful FT8 operators, who think they can operate anywhere in the digital hf bands.   In my opinion, I would flood Dan and Steve 's email boxes with your concerns, since these guys are paid employees for the League.  You can even call them direct to speak your concerns, so things do not get misinterpreted via email.  Here is a copy off the League's website regarding the Regulatory Group.  Tell them you want this researched thoroughly and you'd like to get some resolution within a week.

The ARRL Regulatory Information Branch is responsible for interpretations of Amateur Radio regulatory issues. These include:
  • Concerns about FCC rules and regulations,
  • Applications for a new or renewed amateur licenses,
  • Changes of address
  • Vanity call sign applications and operations overseas
RIB staff maintain and administer:
Answers to most of your regulatory concerns can be found on these pages or you may contact us for additional information.

Additonal Resources

The ARRL recommends the following publications on regulatory topics:
  • Antenna Zoning for the Radio Amateur by Fred Hopengarten
    Everything you and your attorney need to know to obtain a permit for your antenna support system.

Contact Us -- ARRL HQ Regulatory Staff

Dan Henderson, N1ND
Tel: 860-594-0236
E-mail: reginfo@...
Fax: 860-594-0259
Administrator, ARRL Volunteer Counsel and Volunteer Consulting Engineer Programs.
Duties include:
  • General regulatory questions
  • RFI regulatory information
  • Antenna restrictions
  • International operating
Steve Ewald, WV1X
Tel: 860-594-0265
E-mail: wv1x@...
Field and Regulatory Correspondent, Coordinator: Amateur Auxiliary to the FCC, Administrator: ARRL Monitoring System
Duties Include:
  • Handling of matters with an existing or potential enforcement issue
  • Spectrum management (band sharing, frequency coordination information, etc)
  • Backup of general regulatory inquiries

Note:

Amateurs occasionally ask for ARRL General Counsel to assist with a problem or question. Please note that ARRL's counsels are not employees of the ARRL but are retained to provide services to the ARRL Board and are not available to provide legal advice to ARRRL members. Questions requiring a legal opinion can be asked of an ARRL Volunteer Counsel in your area.


Good Luck!   Something has got to be done about these FT8 jackasses taking over HF digital frequencies.

V/R,

  Lee KB1NAL





Re: More FT8 creep

Mike Besemer - WM4B #348 <mwbesemer@...>
 

But the link to the OO program is broken.”

 

Along with the rest of the ARRL!

 

Mike

WM4B

#348

 

From: main@070Club.groups.io [mailto:main@070Club.groups.io] On Behalf Of Stephen Melachrinos via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 7:20 PM
To: main@070Club.groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] More FT8 creep

 

Jerry -

 

It's not Lee's fault--he just copied the ARRL web page at:

 

 

That still says "Official Observer Program" as of 2320z today. But the link to the OO program is broken.


Steve

W3HF

-----Original Message-----
From: Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...>
To: main@070Club.groups.io
Sent: Wed, May 27, 2020 10:20 pm
Subject: Re: [070Club] More FT8 creep

Lee:

Your information seems to be slightly out of date because there is no longer an Official Observer program. It was dropped over a year ago in favor of a newer monitoring program headed by Riley Hollingsworth which is supposed to be tied closer to the FCC. I was an Official Observer until the program was dropped almost without warning. There were about 750-800 OOs and I have no idea how the new program is functioning or with how many hams involved.

As far as complaining to ARRL, I believe complaints will fall on deaf ears because they see FT-8 as the wave of the future and have jumped on the band wagon. Many of my DX friends (also ARRL members) have jumped headlong into FT-8. Am sure many complaints were filed with ARRL when AM was replaced by SSB back in late 50s.

Jerry n9avy

On Wednesday, May 27, 2020, 04:12:06 PM CDT, KB1NAL via groups.io <kb1nal@...> wrote:

 

 

Hello Guys,

 

   I've been following this thread, because of my concern with these ignorant irresponsible disrespectful FT8 operators, who think they can operate anywhere in the digital hf bands.   In my opinion, I would flood Dan and Steve 's email boxes with your concerns, since these guys are paid employees for the League.  You can even call them direct to speak your concerns, so things do not get misinterpreted via email.  Here is a copy off the League's website regarding the Regulatory Group.  Tell them you want this researched thoroughly and you'd like to get some resolution within a week.

 

The ARRL Regulatory Information Branch is responsible for interpretations of Amateur Radio regulatory issues. These include:

  • Concerns about FCC rules and regulations,
  • Applications for a new or renewed amateur licenses,
  • Changes of address
  • Vanity call sign applications and operations overseas

RIB staff maintain and administer:

Answers to most of your regulatory concerns can be found on these pages or you may contact us for additional information.

Additonal Resources

The ARRL recommends the following publications on regulatory topics:

  • Antenna Zoning for the Radio Amateur by Fred Hopengarten
    Everything you and your attorney need to know to obtain a permit for your antenna support system.

Contact Us -- ARRL HQ Regulatory Staff

Dan Henderson, N1ND

Tel: 860-594-0236
E-mail: reginfo@...
Fax: 860-594-0259

Administrator, ARRL Volunteer Counsel and Volunteer Consulting Engineer Programs.

Duties include:

  • General regulatory questions
  • RFI regulatory information
  • Antenna restrictions
  • International operating

Steve Ewald, WV1X

Tel: 860-594-0265
E-mail: wv1x@...

Field and Regulatory Correspondent, Coordinator: Amateur Auxiliary to the FCC, Administrator: ARRL Monitoring System

Duties Include:

  • Handling of matters with an existing or potential enforcement issue
  • Spectrum management (band sharing, frequency coordination information, etc)
  • Backup of general regulatory inquiries

Note:

Amateurs occasionally ask for ARRL General Counsel to assist with a problem or question. Please note that ARRL's counsels are not employees of the ARRL but are retained to provide services to the ARRL Board and are not available to provide legal advice to ARRRL members. Questions requiring a legal opinion can be asked of an ARRL Volunteer Counsel in your area.

 

Volunteer Counsel Program

The American Radio Relay League (ARRL) is the national association for amateur radio, connecting hams around the...

 

Good Luck!   Something has got to be done about these FT8 jackasses taking over HF digital frequencies.

 

V/R,

 

  Lee KB1NAL

 

 

 

 


Re: More FT8 creep

Stephen Melachrinos
 

Jerry -

It's not Lee's fault--he just copied the ARRL web page at:


That still says "Official Observer Program" as of 2320z today. But the link to the OO program is broken.

Steve
W3HF


-----Original Message-----
From: Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...>
To: main@070Club.groups.io
Sent: Wed, May 27, 2020 10:20 pm
Subject: Re: [070Club] More FT8 creep

Lee:

Your information seems to be slightly out of date because there is no longer an Official Observer program. It was dropped over a year ago in favor of a newer monitoring program headed by Riley Hollingsworth which is supposed to be tied closer to the FCC. I was an Official Observer until the program was dropped almost without warning. There were about 750-800 OOs and I have no idea how the new program is functioning or with how many hams involved.

As far as complaining to ARRL, I believe complaints will fall on deaf ears because they see FT-8 as the wave of the future and have jumped on the band wagon. Many of my DX friends (also ARRL members) have jumped headlong into FT-8. Am sure many complaints were filed with ARRL when AM was replaced by SSB back in late 50s.

Jerry n9avy
On Wednesday, May 27, 2020, 04:12:06 PM CDT, KB1NAL via groups.io <kb1nal@...> wrote:


Hello Guys,

   I've been following this thread, because of my concern with these ignorant irresponsible disrespectful FT8 operators, who think they can operate anywhere in the digital hf bands.   In my opinion, I would flood Dan and Steve 's email boxes with your concerns, since these guys are paid employees for the League.  You can even call them direct to speak your concerns, so things do not get misinterpreted via email.  Here is a copy off the League's website regarding the Regulatory Group.  Tell them you want this researched thoroughly and you'd like to get some resolution within a week.

The ARRL Regulatory Information Branch is responsible for interpretations of Amateur Radio regulatory issues. These include:
  • Concerns about FCC rules and regulations,
  • Applications for a new or renewed amateur licenses,
  • Changes of address
  • Vanity call sign applications and operations overseas
RIB staff maintain and administer:
Answers to most of your regulatory concerns can be found on these pages or you may contact us for additional information.

Additonal Resources

The ARRL recommends the following publications on regulatory topics:
  • Antenna Zoning for the Radio Amateur by Fred Hopengarten
    Everything you and your attorney need to know to obtain a permit for your antenna support system.

Contact Us -- ARRL HQ Regulatory Staff

Dan Henderson, N1ND
Tel: 860-594-0236
E-mail: reginfo@...
Fax: 860-594-0259
Administrator, ARRL Volunteer Counsel and Volunteer Consulting Engineer Programs.
Duties include:
  • General regulatory questions
  • RFI regulatory information
  • Antenna restrictions
  • International operating
Steve Ewald, WV1X
Tel: 860-594-0265
E-mail: wv1x@...
Field and Regulatory Correspondent, Coordinator: Amateur Auxiliary to the FCC, Administrator: ARRL Monitoring System
Duties Include:
  • Handling of matters with an existing or potential enforcement issue
  • Spectrum management (band sharing, frequency coordination information, etc)
  • Backup of general regulatory inquiries

Note:

Amateurs occasionally ask for ARRL General Counsel to assist with a problem or question. Please note that ARRL's counsels are not employees of the ARRL but are retained to provide services to the ARRL Board and are not available to provide legal advice to ARRRL members. Questions requiring a legal opinion can be asked of an ARRL Volunteer Counsel in your area.


Good Luck!   Something has got to be done about these FT8 jackasses taking over HF digital frequencies.

V/R,

  Lee KB1NAL





Re: TDW start time

malcolm heard
 

Ik4alm 

On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 5:30 PM malcolm heard via groups.io <heardmalcolm2017=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
FYI somehow I just had qso with ik4lm.  Not expected. But fun 

Ke0jbt

On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 4:31 PM John - KC3FL via groups.io <kc3fl=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:

Jim, tnx for the explanation.  Thought it was an oversight and just wanted to point it out.  Can't imagine anyone  logging in local time.  Since the digital software uses UTC for logging that would require a lot of work to convert all of those times.  hi hi

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Lincoln, NE 68516
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Re: TDW start time

malcolm heard
 

FYI somehow I just had qso with ik4lm.  Not expected. But fun 

Ke0jbt

On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 4:31 PM John - KC3FL via groups.io <kc3fl=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:

Jim, tnx for the explanation.  Thought it was an oversight and just wanted to point it out.  Can't imagine anyone  logging in local time.  Since the digital software uses UTC for logging that would require a lot of work to convert all of those times.  hi hi

--

Malcolm Heard, M.S.
7516 South 37th Street
Lincoln, NE 68516
heardmalcolm2017@...
402.202.3853

Leadership • Culture • Talent


Re: More FT8 creep

Jerry N9AVY
 

Lee:

Your information seems to be slightly out of date because there is no longer an Official Observer program. It was dropped over a year ago in favor of a newer monitoring program headed by Riley Hollingsworth which is supposed to be tied closer to the FCC. I was an Official Observer until the program was dropped almost without warning. There were about 750-800 OOs and I have no idea how the new program is functioning or with how many hams involved.

As far as complaining to ARRL, I believe complaints will fall on deaf ears because they see FT-8 as the wave of the future and have jumped on the band wagon. Many of my DX friends (also ARRL members) have jumped headlong into FT-8. Am sure many complaints were filed with ARRL when AM was replaced by SSB back in late 50s.

Jerry n9avy

On Wednesday, May 27, 2020, 04:12:06 PM CDT, KB1NAL via groups.io <kb1nal@...> wrote:


Hello Guys,

   I've been following this thread, because of my concern with these ignorant irresponsible disrespectful FT8 operators, who think they can operate anywhere in the digital hf bands.   In my opinion, I would flood Dan and Steve 's email boxes with your concerns, since these guys are paid employees for the League.  You can even call them direct to speak your concerns, so things do not get misinterpreted via email.  Here is a copy off the League's website regarding the Regulatory Group.  Tell them you want this researched thoroughly and you'd like to get some resolution within a week.

The ARRL Regulatory Information Branch is responsible for interpretations of Amateur Radio regulatory issues. These include:

  • Concerns about FCC rules and regulations,
  • Applications for a new or renewed amateur licenses,
  • Changes of address
  • Vanity call sign applications and operations overseas

RIB staff maintain and administer:

Answers to most of your regulatory concerns can be found on these pages or you may contact us for additional information.

Additonal Resources

The ARRL recommends the following publications on regulatory topics:

  • Antenna Zoning for the Radio Amateur by Fred Hopengarten
    Everything you and your attorney need to know to obtain a permit for your antenna support system.

Contact Us -- ARRL HQ Regulatory Staff

Dan Henderson, N1ND

Tel: 860-594-0236
E-mail: reginfo@...
Fax: 860-594-0259

Administrator, ARRL Volunteer Counsel and Volunteer Consulting Engineer Programs.

Duties include:

  • General regulatory questions
  • RFI regulatory information
  • Antenna restrictions
  • International operating

Steve Ewald, WV1X

Tel: 860-594-0265
E-mail: wv1x@...

Field and Regulatory Correspondent, Coordinator: Amateur Auxiliary to the FCC, Administrator: ARRL Monitoring System

Duties Include:

  • Handling of matters with an existing or potential enforcement issue
  • Spectrum management (band sharing, frequency coordination information, etc)
  • Backup of general regulatory inquiries

Note:

Amateurs occasionally ask for ARRL General Counsel to assist with a problem or question. Please note that ARRL's counsels are not employees of the ARRL but are retained to provide services to the ARRL Board and are not available to provide legal advice to ARRRL members. Questions requiring a legal opinion can be asked of an ARRL Volunteer Counsel in your area.



Good Luck!   Something has got to be done about these FT8 jackasses taking over HF digital frequencies.

V/R,

  Lee KB1NAL





Re: TDW start time

 

Jim, tnx for the explanation.  Thought it was an oversight and just wanted to point it out.  Can't imagine anyone  logging in local time.  Since the digital software uses UTC for logging that would require a lot of work to convert all of those times.  hi hi


Re: More FT8 creep

Dan Morris - KZ3T
 

I just sent an email to the Regulatory Office as well. He may not like what I said, however, it is all true and I told them that unless someone with some kind of authority reigns in Joe Taylor and his arbitrarily assigning FT8 frequencies it is going to get pretty messy.  So, we’ll see what happens

Dan Morris  KZ3T

I live to live for Him!



On May 27, 2020, at 4:33 PM, John - KC3FL via groups.io <kc3fl@...> wrote:

I sent one to the the HQ Regulatory office and this is what I got back.

Hi John
 
As this really is a policy question I am forwarding it to your ARRL Division Director.  The HQ regulatory office is not involved with the band-planning function components of the League.
 
73
 
Dan Henderson, N1ND
Regulatory Information Manager
ARRL - the national association for Amateur Radio
Phone: 860-594-0236

Jerry is probably right, nothing will happen but think a bunch of emails is still a good idea


Re: More FT8 creep

KB1NAL
 

Hello Guys,

   I've been following this thread, because of my concern with these ignorant irresponsible disrespectful FT8 operators, who think they can operate anywhere in the digital hf bands.   In my opinion, I would flood Dan and Steve 's email boxes with your concerns, since these guys are paid employees for the League.  You can even call them direct to speak your concerns, so things do not get misinterpreted via email.  Here is a copy off the League's website regarding the Regulatory Group.  Tell them you want this researched thoroughly and you'd like to get some resolution within a week.

The ARRL Regulatory Information Branch is responsible for interpretations of Amateur Radio regulatory issues. These include:

  • Concerns about FCC rules and regulations,
  • Applications for a new or renewed amateur licenses,
  • Changes of address
  • Vanity call sign applications and operations overseas

RIB staff maintain and administer:

Answers to most of your regulatory concerns can be found on these pages or you may contact us for additional information.

Additonal Resources

The ARRL recommends the following publications on regulatory topics:

  • Antenna Zoning for the Radio Amateur by Fred Hopengarten
    Everything you and your attorney need to know to obtain a permit for your antenna support system.

Contact Us -- ARRL HQ Regulatory Staff

Dan Henderson, N1ND

Tel: 860-594-0236
E-mail: reginfo@...
Fax: 860-594-0259

Administrator, ARRL Volunteer Counsel and Volunteer Consulting Engineer Programs.

Duties include:

  • General regulatory questions
  • RFI regulatory information
  • Antenna restrictions
  • International operating

Steve Ewald, WV1X

Tel: 860-594-0265
E-mail: wv1x@...

Field and Regulatory Correspondent, Coordinator: Amateur Auxiliary to the FCC, Administrator: ARRL Monitoring System

Duties Include:

  • Handling of matters with an existing or potential enforcement issue
  • Spectrum management (band sharing, frequency coordination information, etc)
  • Backup of general regulatory inquiries

Note:

Amateurs occasionally ask for ARRL General Counsel to assist with a problem or question. Please note that ARRL's counsels are not employees of the ARRL but are retained to provide services to the ARRL Board and are not available to provide legal advice to ARRRL members. Questions requiring a legal opinion can be asked of an ARRL Volunteer Counsel in your area.



Good Luck!   Something has got to be done about these FT8 jackasses taking over HF digital frequencies.

V/R,

  Lee KB1NAL




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