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Re: Frustration

Paul Butzi (W7PFB)
 



I eventually updated my station and really enjoy the ragchew of PSK but when the band is in bad shape or the pickens are slim I change modes and continue to radio. That's the important part to me, radioing.

In my experience this works and is a good plan. Sadly many hams, when the pickings are slim, get online and complain about how FT8 is ruining the entire universe. Why they consider this more fun than FT8 I don’t know, as the process of complaining about FT8 appears to be about the same as letting your computer solve your crossword for you.

-p W7PFB
73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun!


Re: Why Is It...?

B. Smith, N3XL
 

With the non-standard macros that are standard for PSK, I can easily see someone choosing the wrong one. I have done so and hope I didn't offend. I suggest a little more patience.
73, Bill N3XL


On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 14:17, Eric
<radio@...> wrote:
That this happens:

Him: CQ CQ CQ K1XYZ K1XYZ k

Me: K1XYZ de KG6MZS KG6MZS kn

Him: KG6MZS KG6MZS de K1XYZ K1XYZ K1XYZ kn


You would think we were past that point and they would just get into the QSO without responding like I was the one calling CQ.

I see this in contests too - which is only slightly less annoying that stations that answer a "CQ Test" with the exchange before you acknowledge them.

OK, off the soapbox now…

:)

73 de Eric KG6MZS


Re: Frustration

Tim Castagnola
 

When I got my general and set up a very modest station I was not able to make very many phone contacts and I found that quite frustrating.  After doing some looking around I found ft8 and it filled a void.  Making contacts in Peru, Japan, Australia, and Russia kept me in the hobbie.  It was the stuff I had heard about as a kid that had originally got my interest.

I eventually updated my station and really enjoy the ragchew of PSK but when the band is in bad shape or the pickens are slim I change modes and continue to radio.  That's the important part to me,  radioing.

Two more cents,

Tim
KM6KIZ


Why Is It...?

Eric <radio@...>
 

That this happens:

Him: CQ CQ CQ K1XYZ K1XYZ k

Me: K1XYZ de KG6MZS KG6MZS kn

Him: KG6MZS KG6MZS de K1XYZ K1XYZ K1XYZ kn


You would think we were past that point and they would just get into the QSO without responding like I was the one calling CQ.

I see this in contests too - which is only slightly less annoying that stations that answer a "CQ Test" with the exchange before you acknowledge them.

OK, off the soapbox now…

:)

73 de Eric KG6MZS


Re: Frustration

Jerry N9AVY
 

On Thursday, April 23, 2020, 12:57:12 PM CDT, stan robinson <robinstan@...> wrote:


But remember:

No Horse Is Too Dead To Beat!!

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From: 070Club@groups.io <070Club@groups.io> on behalf of Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...>
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 1:44 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] Frustration

While we're al primarily PSK operators here, it seems that some of have differing opinions on FT/JT modes and they're entitled to them, just as we are to opposing opinions.

We can argue this point "until the cows come home", but we'll probably never change anyone's opinions.

Jerry n9avy
On Thursday, April 23, 2020, 12:31:41 PM CDT, Brian (N2MLP) <n2mlp@...> wrote:



Guess it ranks up there with working VHF and above  on a repeater



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        de N2MLP Brian

      Monroe County PA





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From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io]On Behalf Of Jerry N9AVY
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 1:25 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] Frustration



Exactly - no intelligence necessary

On Thursday, April 23, 2020, 11:10:57 AM CDT, Lauri Lundgren <n1ukxradio@...> wrote:





I feel operating FT-8 is like having the computer do the crossword for you.





Re: Frustration

Adam Mercier, KM7N #1310
 

Thanks Jerry-
     I too have noticed strong opinions on both sides of the digi mode “debate” and I’ve yet to see someone change their mind because of anything I’ve said, so though I feel strongly about JT/FT modes (I’m a fan), I keep it to myself. Just get on the air!

Adam, KM7N #1310


On Apr 23, 2020, at 10:44, Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...> wrote:


While we're al primarily PSK operators here, it seems that some of have differing opinions on FT/JT modes and they're entitled to them, just as we are to opposing opinions.

We can argue this point "until the cows come home", but we'll probably never change anyone's opinions.

Jerry n9avy
On Thursday, April 23, 2020, 12:31:41 PM CDT, Brian (N2MLP) <n2mlp@...> wrote:


Guess it ranks up there with working VHF and above  on a repeater

 

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         de N2MLP Brian

       Monroe County PA

 

 

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From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io]On Behalf Of Jerry N9AVY
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 1:25 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] Frustration

 


Exactly - no intelligence necessary

On Thursday, April 23, 2020, 11:10:57 AM CDT, Lauri Lundgren <n1ukxradio@...> wrote:

 

 

I feel operating FT-8 is like having the computer do the crossword for you.

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Re: Frustration

stan W9SMR
 

But remember:

No Horse Is Too Dead To Beat!!

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From: 070Club@groups.io <070Club@groups.io> on behalf of Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 1:44 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] Frustration

While we're al primarily PSK operators here, it seems that some of have differing opinions on FT/JT modes and they're entitled to them, just as we are to opposing opinions.

We can argue this point "until the cows come home", but we'll probably never change anyone's opinions.

Jerry n9avy
On Thursday, April 23, 2020, 12:31:41 PM CDT, Brian (N2MLP) <n2mlp@outlook.com> wrote:



Guess it ranks up there with working VHF and above on a repeater



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de N2MLP Brian

Monroe County PA





[cid:21CA93CE-AC8F-4FA3-8151-4E18E044767E@comcast.net]

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From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io]On Behalf Of Jerry N9AVY
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 1:25 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] Frustration



Exactly - no intelligence necessary

On Thursday, April 23, 2020, 11:10:57 AM CDT, Lauri Lundgren <n1ukxradio@gmail.com> wrote:





I feel operating FT-8 is like having the computer do the crossword for you.


Re: Frustration

Jerry N9AVY
 

While we're al primarily PSK operators here, it seems that some of have differing opinions on FT/JT modes and they're entitled to them, just as we are to opposing opinions.

We can argue this point "until the cows come home", but we'll probably never change anyone's opinions.

Jerry n9avy

On Thursday, April 23, 2020, 12:31:41 PM CDT, Brian (N2MLP) <n2mlp@...> wrote:


Guess it ranks up there with working VHF and above  on a repeater

 

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         de N2MLP Brian

       Monroe County PA

 

 

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From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io]On Behalf Of Jerry N9AVY
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 1:25 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] Frustration

 


Exactly - no intelligence necessary

On Thursday, April 23, 2020, 11:10:57 AM CDT, Lauri Lundgren <n1ukxradio@...> wrote:

 

 

I feel operating FT-8 is like having the computer do the crossword for you.


Re: Frustration

Brian (N2MLP)
 

Guess it ranks up there with working VHF and above  on a repeater

 

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         de N2MLP Brian

       Monroe County PA

 

 

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From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Jerry N9AVY
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 1:25 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] Frustration

 


Exactly - no intelligence necessary

On Thursday, April 23, 2020, 11:10:57 AM CDT, Lauri Lundgren <n1ukxradio@...> wrote:

 

 

I feel operating FT-8 is like having the computer do the crossword for you.


Re: Frustration

Jerry N9AVY
 


Exactly - no intelligence necessary

On Thursday, April 23, 2020, 11:10:57 AM CDT, Lauri Lundgren <n1ukxradio@...> wrote:


I feel operating FT-8 is like having the computer do the crossword for you.


Re: Frustration

Lauri Lundgren, N1UKX
 

I've downloaded it, but yet to have set it up.  It looks kinda neat.
Spring is busy season around here so when I get the chance, I'm going to give it a go.
Thanks for the suggestion though...


Re: Frustration

Paula K7PAX #1739
 

Lauri, have you looked at JS8-Call? It is a free text form of FT-8.

 

Paula

 

From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Lauri Lundgren
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 17:07
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] Frustration

 

If you could send a bit of ragchew, I think it would be cool.  I tried it but got bored quickly with it.  To each thier own, I guess.

I have microphones I haven't used in + 20 years, but I like my bencher paddles.  It still doen't make me a better or worse operator than the next guy.


Re: Frustration

Lauri Lundgren, N1UKX
 

If you could send a bit of ragchew, I think it would be cool.  I tried it but got bored quickly with it.  To each thier own, I guess.
I have microphones I haven't used in + 20 years, but I like my bencher paddles.  It still doen't make me a better or worse operator than the next guy.


Re: Frustration

James Wilson
 

I agree.  I also like video games and I had a video game that could be automated and it obviously wasn’t fun for long. 

Use both ft-8 and psk31.  I was able to work a first time user a few weeks ago.  I think there is room for both, I was thinking ft-8 could be improved with small text message functionality. 

On Apr 23, 2020, at 9:33 AM, Lauri Lundgren <n1ukxradio@...> wrote:


Now I'm confused.  I do my own crosswords, and I like to rag chew on PSK31.
Operating FT-8 is like the computer doing the crossword.


Re: Frustration

Lauri Lundgren, N1UKX
 

Now I'm confused.  I do my own crosswords, and I like to rag chew on PSK31.
Operating FT-8 is like the computer doing the crossword.


Re: Frustration

Bill Morton
 

Lauri, I guess I am confused – then why are you on a group for those interested in PSK operation?

 

Bill

W4ASE

#1018

 

 

From: 070Club@groups.io <070Club@groups.io> On Behalf Of Lauri Lundgren
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 12:11 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] Frustration

 

I feel operating FT-8 is like having the computer do the crossword for you.


Re: Frustration

Paula K7PAX #1739
 

Well, on the bright side, I have worked Alan several times from Washington state, (plus a few other Alaska and Yukon stations) and those in the eastern half of the country envy the ease with which we work Alaska and Japan from here. So there’s that!

 

Paula K7PAX, #1739

 

From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Alan Sorum WL7CG
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 15:58
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] Frustration

 

I feel your pain! My QTH is in coastal mountain canyon, with a significant mountain across the street. I have an east-west corridor to work with, so it's America and the Pacific. Forget Africa, the Middle East or Europe. I do hope improved solar conditions will help that out. I do like PSK, but it's tough sledding right now. I was surprised how many contacts the stations made back east in the last contest.

Hope everyone is staying safe.

73 Alan WL7CG

On 4/23/20 7:45 AM, K7DWI Art wrote:

Make that too, to or two.
I moved to Southern Oregon from central Arizona last summer and got a couple of antennas up in August.
The XYL and I found our dream home, but it is stuck up next to a hill 650 feet higher to my East.... and a larger mountain behind it.
Since then, I find it impossible to work anything lower than 80 degrees azimuth. Europe is not in my future except for polar paths.
I have tried to make an appearance in a few 070 events. I have only made 6 QSO's, 2 to Alan in Valdez Alaska and 1 to JM7OLW.
I have heard a few others, but have had no luck. I run about 25-35 watts out at most.
I value my rigs and use the 50/50 rule.
So for the time being, I am giving in to the Evils of FT8 and accepting that it is easier for me to work around the Pacific Ocean than Ohio, Pennsylvania and New York.
Also I am learning about 12, 10, 6 and I hope 2 Meter propagation here in the Northwest. I was greatly disappointed when the 070 June VHF ended.
Maybe later on I will come up with a portable operating (I have a boat load of Mobile antennas) system and do some hill/mountain topping in the WIne (whine) Country.
I will try to be around when I can. Alan needs the points :)
73 Art K7DWI 070#2518 CN82


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Re: Frustration

Lauri Lundgren, N1UKX
 

I feel operating FT-8 is like having the computer do the crossword for you.


Re: Frustration

Alan Sorum WL7CG
 

I feel your pain! My QTH is in coastal mountain canyon, with a significant mountain across the street. I have an east-west corridor to work with, so it's America and the Pacific. Forget Africa, the Middle East or Europe. I do hope improved solar conditions will help that out. I do like PSK, but it's tough sledding right now. I was surprised how many contacts the stations made back east in the last contest.

Hope everyone is staying safe.

73 Alan WL7CG

On 4/23/20 7:45 AM, K7DWI Art wrote:
Make that too, to or two.
I moved to Southern Oregon from central Arizona last summer and got a couple of antennas up in August.
The XYL and I found our dream home, but it is stuck up next to a hill 650 feet higher to my East.... and a larger mountain behind it.
Since then, I find it impossible to work anything lower than 80 degrees azimuth. Europe is not in my future except for polar paths.
I have tried to make an appearance in a few 070 events. I have only made 6 QSO's, 2 to Alan in Valdez Alaska and 1 to JM7OLW.
I have heard a few others, but have had no luck. I run about 25-35 watts out at most.
I value my rigs and use the 50/50 rule.
So for the time being, I am giving in to the Evils of FT8 and accepting that it is easier for me to work around the Pacific Ocean than Ohio, Pennsylvania and New York.
Also I am learning about 12, 10, 6 and I hope 2 Meter propagation here in the Northwest. I was greatly disappointed when the 070 June VHF ended.
Maybe later on I will come up with a portable operating (I have a boat load of Mobile antennas) system and do some hill/mountain topping in the WIne (whine) Country.
I will try to be around when I can. Alan needs the points :)
73 Art K7DWI 070#2518 CN82

--
The Grid and Prefix Awards Program - GAPA
http://gapaawards.com https://groups.io/g/GAPA 


Re: Active again

Victor Wasilov <ki4hpx@...>
 

Jerry

Same here. I will be working the nest contest. See you then. BTY Nice shack. I saw the photo’s on QRZ.

73

Victor, KI4HPX, 070 #778

On Apr 23, 2020, at 11:41 AM, Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...> wrote:

Hi Victor !

I look forward to meeting you on the waterfall !


Jerry n9avy
On Thursday, April 23, 2020, 10:24:54 AM CDT, Victor Wasilov <ki4hpx@...> wrote:


I have been inactive for a number of years but I am starting to get back on the air. Looking forward to seeing everyone on the waterfall. 

73,

Victor 
KI4HPX, #778

FISTS #13993
QRP ARCI #12762
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