Date   

Heads up everyone!

Rick - N7WE
 

Time to get up and get on!  Things are very active on 20m from here in central Florida at about 1500 UTC.  Europe, East Coast of US, Mid-America, out to New Mexico not to mention Mexico and Venezuela.  I don't know if it is propagation or the stay-home orders, but the waterfall has lots and lots of activity.  Whooopppeeee!
--
Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602


Re: Endorsement checker question

DAVE KB3RAN 1692/381
 

Thanks to all for working on the software problems.  I still enjoy PSK contacts:  quick ones where I just get a callsign and sig report and maybe a QTH and LOC and those I am talking to for 15-20 minutes or more.  Also the contests keep me alert trying to get just one more station without getting a dup.  Sorry for the few dups I made during the weekend contest; I was multitasking during part of the contest.

This is still a great mode of communication where a lot of information is passed in a short time with not so much power. 

Keep on trying to get the logistics corrected.  I'll still be here making contacts and anxiously awaiting the day those sticker arrive whenever that is.

Dave H
1692/381

--
Dave H
KB3RAN
1692/381


Re: St. Pat's Soapbox--my view

Jerry N9AVY
 

DISCLAIMER:  I have never used FT-8 and there are no future plans to do so.   😊 

 

What I generally do is send “CQ (whatever contest) de  n9avy n9avy (2X) k “

 

My exchange is “N9RWC 599 IL  599 IL  QSL ??  de  Jerry  N9AVY K “

 

When Ray gives his info I reply with “ N9RWC  QSL  TU  GL 73 de  n9avy”

 

It might be a tad overkill, but with current conditions it gives Ray the opportunity to get all info and an acknowledgement.   Try to keep it short, but want to give other station a chance to get it all okay. There was an instance this weekend when a station called/worked me 5 minutes later claiming no previous contact earlier.  I went ahead and worked that station a second time because of possible difficulty/QRM at their end.  Went back a struck previous contact from my log , although I Eqsled both contacts.

 

Have been QRMed during contests many times and most are courteous enough to rework contact.

 

A good logging program helps by listing previous contacts when you plug in correct call sign. So that eliminates “DUPES” (duplicate contacts).

 

Ray   no problem with using me as an example, hi hi !

 

 

Jerry  n9avy

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Ray Clements
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 10:40 AM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] St. Pat's Soapbox--my view

 

If you want to minimize your exchange during a contest, consider doing what the FT-8 folks do. I know many 070 members detest the FT-8 mode, and they have a right to do so. However, because the number of characters that can be transmitted in each FT-8 transmission is so limited, each exchange includes the minimal information that needs to be transmitted. Of course, since FT-8 is an error corrected mode, unlike PSK, there is no need to transmit call signs and exchange information more than once. With PSK, duplicate transmission of critical information is recommended when conditions are less than ideal, which is typical during a contest.

 

For example, in FT-8, you would call CQ on Field day by sending

CQ FD N9RWC EN52.    FT-8 protocol, unlike PSK,  requires that grid square information be used on the first call.

 

Jerry N9AVY would answer my CQ with:

N9RWC N9AVY EN52

 

In PSK, that same transmission might be sent:

CQ CQ FD DE N9RWC N9RWC PSE K. 

 

The response might be:

N9RWC DE N9AVY N9AVY PSE KN

 

Although customary in RTTY and PSK contacts, the use of "DE" and "PSE K" and PSE KN is not necessary, but may be useful to end the line if conditions are difficult.

 

Likewise, how often do you see something like:

N9AVY PSE CPY 1D IL 1D IL DE N9RWC PSE KN

 

Again, the PSA CPY and PSE KN are not required. 

 

In FT-8, that would be sent in much simpler form as:

N9AVY N9RWC 1D IL

 

 

In FT-8, Jerry would confirm receipt of my exchange and send his own own:

N9RWC R N9AVY 1D IL

 

Since I called CQ, I would then acknowledge receipt of Jerry's exchange and conclude the call.

 

N9AVY N9RWC RR73

 

No response from Jerry is needed to log the contact.

 

In PSK, you would often see:

 

N9AVY TU GL IN FD 73 DE N9RWC SK.

 

 

I fully appreciate that PSK is a more conversational mode than FT-8; thank goodness for that. Thus, it is easy to switch to typed conversation, even during a contest, if both parties to the QSO agree to do so. It is unnecessary to send added exchange information not required by the contest rules, especially things like station macros and weather reports. Some contest require you send a name, a grid square, a 070 number, a sequence number, etc. If such information is required by contest rules, be sure to include it in the standard exchange so it does not have to be requested.  I always program a macro to request missing exchange information. Please leave out any information not required by contest rules.

 

Jerry (N9AVY), I know you are not a proponent of FT-8, so I apologize for using you as my example, but I figured you would forgive me sooner or later. 

 

Ray N9RWC

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



------ Original Message ------
Received: 09:44 AM CDT, 03/23/2020
From: "Richard Rohrer" <kc3ef@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] St. Pat's Soapbox--my view

I have to admit that I am in the middle on this topic.  I agree with Peter that the exchange should be kept to a minimum.  I don't need to know what the WX is or what kind of chips are in the station computer.  I also realize that this is not a hard core contest.  I know that I will work about the same 30 or 40 stations that I usually work in a 070 contest, so if an operator wants to say hi I don't see that as a problem.  I guess the important take away is to have fun.  My 2 cents.

73
Dick - KC3EF

 


Re: St. Pat's Soapbox--my view

Ray Clements
 

If you want to minimize your exchange during a contest, consider doing what the FT-8 folks do. I know many 070 members detest the FT-8 mode, and they have a right to do so. However, because the number of characters that can be transmitted in each FT-8 transmission is so limited, each exchange includes the minimal information that needs to be transmitted. Of course, since FT-8 is an error corrected mode, unlike PSK, there is no need to transmit call signs and exchange information more than once. With PSK, duplicate transmission of critical information is recommended when conditions are less than ideal, which is typical during a contest.

For example, in FT-8, you would call CQ on Field day by sending
CQ FD N9RWC EN52.    FT-8 protocol, unlike PSK,  requires that grid square information be used on the first call.

Jerry N9AVY would answer my CQ with:
N9RWC N9AVY EN52

In PSK, that same transmission might be sent:
CQ CQ FD DE N9RWC N9RWC PSE K. 

The response might be:
N9RWC DE N9AVY N9AVY PSE KN

Although customary in RTTY and PSK contacts, the use of "DE" and "PSE K" and PSE KN is not necessary, but may be useful to end the line if conditions are difficult.

Likewise, how often do you see something like:
N9AVY PSE CPY 1D IL 1D IL DE N9RWC PSE KN

Again, the PSA CPY and PSE KN are not required. 

In FT-8, that would be sent in much simpler form as:
N9AVY N9RWC 1D IL


In FT-8, Jerry would confirm receipt of my exchange and send his own own:
N9RWC R N9AVY 1D IL

Since I called CQ, I would then acknowledge receipt of Jerry's exchange and conclude the call.

N9AVY N9RWC RR73

No response from Jerry is needed to log the contact.

In PSK, you would often see:

N9AVY TU GL IN FD 73 DE N9RWC SK.


I fully appreciate that PSK is a more conversational mode than FT-8; thank goodness for that. Thus, it is easy to switch to typed conversation, even during a contest, if both parties to the QSO agree to do so. It is unnecessary to send added exchange information not required by the contest rules, especially things like station macros and weather reports. Some contest require you send a name, a grid square, a 070 number, a sequence number, etc. If such information is required by contest rules, be sure to include it in the standard exchange so it does not have to be requested.  I always program a macro to request missing exchange information. Please leave out any information not required by contest rules.

Jerry (N9AVY), I know you are not a proponent of FT-8, so I apologize for using you as my example, but I figured you would forgive me sooner or later. Smiley

Ray N9RWC













------ Original Message ------
Received: 09:44 AM CDT, 03/23/2020
From: "Richard Rohrer" <kc3ef@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] St. Pat's Soapbox--my view


I have to admit that I am in the middle on this topic.  I agree with Peter that the exchange should be kept to a minimum.  I don't need to know what the WX is or what kind of chips are in the station computer.  I also realize that this is not a hard core contest.  I know that I will work about the same 30 or 40 stations that I usually work in a 070 contest, so if an operator wants to say hi I don't see that as a problem.  I guess the important take away is to have fun.  My 2 cents.

73
Dick - KC3EF


Re: Endorsement checker question

Jim K5SP
 

A little insight into the software issue.  The endorsement checker is not working, the contest checking software is having to be modified by K9DWR for every contest, the membership application software is not working.  (I am getting the applications, but, the approval is not working.) I am currently approving all applications by hand. So far I have been able to access the membership spreadsheet on Google Docs with no problems.  (Google is the entity that deprecated some of their Application Programming Interface (API) methodology.

The software error that is being generated is not a new one.  I have seen this exact error in the past, and it involves software not owned by the club, but by KJ4IZW (his old call, he has a new one now).  We do not have access to his scripts to attempt a "fix".  I am of the opinion that David can fix the problem, but he is incommunicado with anyone at this time.

The current leadership of the club is diligently working to "get everything back on track".  David Rock is doing an excellent job of making sure we have contest scorers available for each of our contests.  Software development is a slow process, and he does have a full time job that only allows him to work on club software on a part-time basis, and he does have other familial activities that take up valuable time.  Currently, we do not have the ability to provide the instant scores presented like contests in the past.  Other members of the leadership are taking the results provided by the new scorers, verifying the data by hand, and compiling the results which are given to the membership in email form.

We WILL persevere, we will get there eventually. Patience is requested from the members while the issues are being addressed.  Just like the current health issues worldwide, we will strive to overcome all obstacles, and the best PSK club worldwide will survive! 

Operate PSK, and have fun!

73
Jim, K5SP
Membership Director


On 3/23/2020 7:52 AM, Loren McCullough wrote:
Ok.  That's what I thought.   Just makes me wonder how many other endorsements have been affected by this glitch.

73, Loren

On Mon, Mar 23, 2020, 8:37 AM Stephen Melachrinos <melachri@...> wrote:
Loren -

No, the rules didn't change to allow PSK63 or 125 contacts.My guess (totally unsupported) is that this may be an artifact of the current checker "breaking" due to the deprecation of some of the GoogleSheets features.

Steve
W3HF


-----Original Message-----
From: Loren McCullough <lorenmcc1@...>
To: David Rock <k9dwr@...>
Cc: stan robinson <robinstan@...>; Jim Innis <jinnis@...>; bobmotyl@... <bobmotyl@...>; Jerry <n9avy@...>; Rick Butz <n7we1980@...>; Bryon <nnegrom@...>; w3hf@... <w3hf@...>; Milton Garb <n6mg@...>
Sent: Mon, Mar 23, 2020 8:23 am
Subject: Endorsement checker question

I haven't been active much on PSK lately, and I worked some over the weekend, so I uploaded my log to the endorsement checker.  Now I keep a fairly close track of my own IOTA contacts, so imagine my surprise when it is showing a new IOTA endorsement level for me.  when I checked some of the contacts, the are for PSK63 or PSK125 and I do not have the IOTA for PSK31.

Are we now allowing PSK63/125 contacts for our endorsements?  Just curious as I might have missed that in the communications

BTW, how are we doing with converting over to new software?

73,
Loren WA3WZR

--
Jim,  K5SP #483
Member Services Director


Re: St. Pat's Soapbox--my view

Richard Rohrer
 

I have to admit that I am in the middle on this topic.  I agree with Peter that the exchange should be kept to a minimum.  I don't need to know what the WX is or what kind of chips are in the station computer.  I also realize that this is not a hard core contest.  I know that I will work about the same 30 or 40 stations that I usually work in a 070 contest, so if an operator wants to say hi I don't see that as a problem.  I guess the important take away is to have fun.  My 2 cents.

73
Dick - KC3EF


Re: St. Pat's Soapbox--my view

Ken Campbell <n6pcd1@...>
 

Peter,

Well said, my friend! I try to participate in the contests as time and schedule allows. Contesting is FUN, also a good way to pick up states, countries, grids, counties, etc etc.

Friday evening was too busy with activities around the casa out here on the Left Coast for me to get on the air, but I was on for some time on Saturday morning. Only saw one trace involving the contest, and it was unreadable. Called CQ St Pat’s Contest for quite a while, hoping to make some contest Q’s and maybe pick up some of the final four states I need for my WAS PSK-31 LoTW. Alas, no takers :-(

Oh well, better luck next time, hopefully with better condx!

Praying all the best for all of you out there during this current crisis.

Be prepared, stay well!

Ken Campbell
N6PCD, 070 #801


Checker still busted FYI

Jerry N9AVY
 

 

Curently there are 101 endorsements stuck in the queue of checker awaiting my approval, but am unable to grant approval because the checker is busted.  I keep trying, hoping for a miracle, but all I get why trying is “Software Error”.

 

What this means to membership simply put that all those endorsements are in limbo somewhere and cannot be approved. This is something is beyond my control and probably everyone else’s. 

 

Sorry for the inconvenience. We can all hope this will be straightened out in the near future by those working on new software.

 

Jerry  N9AVY

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: St. Pat's Soapbox--my view

JEFF WALSH
 

Jim ..... I looked up the definition of the word "FUN"

providing entertainment, amusement, or enjoyment

says it all for me .... I change to chit chat mode all the time during the contests

JEFF WALSH
W3WMU
#1673
BUBBAWOOD
WORLDWIDE HEADQUARTERS
STURGIS, MS.


On Sunday, March 22, 2020, 04:41:55 PM CDT, Dan Morris - KZ3T <dbmorris315@...> wrote:


Well stated David.  Could not have said that better my friend.

Dan Morris  KZ3T  070-1065

I live to live for Him!




On Mar 22, 2020, at 5:33 PM, David, K9DWR <david@...> wrote:

This is probably a good time to point out that tone matters in effective communication.

While the point Peter is trying to make is valid; there’s a good way, and a poor way to make it.  Using a combative, flame-worthy tone is not going to sway anyone to your side when identifying and trying to correct an issue.

Please think about framing this kind of soapbox in a more constructive manner.  It’s sufficient to point out the problem, provide examples of what would be better, and move on.  Using phrasing that is effectively name-calling and ranting doesn’t help anyone be better at operating, and potentially scares away people that could be helped rather than berated.  If you want better operators, help them be better.  Yelling at them helps nobody.


David, K9DWR
#1604 LONP #255
david@...

On Mar 22, 2020, at 16:01, Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...> wrote:

Peter:

You’re most likely preaching to the choir here because most PODXS member (should) already know this.  Have said it over & over that contacts must be short and sweet (only required info .. which does not include eye color nor your dogs name).

This contest I put in a couple hours until my hands stopped working efficiently… left hand is the worst and it cramped up so bad I was in pain.  Guess my contest days are numbered.

Didn’t work any new LONPs; so for me contest was a bust.

Maybe if we all keep griping about contest behavior some may get the point, but I rather doubt it.  Wish I had a button on rig that when pushed would out and slap those who aren’t with the program ! 😊

Jerry  n9avy

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Peter, NN9K #2629
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2020 3:33 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] St. Pat's Soapbox--my view

OK I’ll admit it, I’m old, crotchety and the governor says I have to stay in the house! So you can agree or disagree with what I am going to say, but I have to say it!

I would bet that 90% of the folks operating in the St. Pat’s PSK contest have never seriously or semi-seriously contested and it shows. PSK is not a fast mode for making contacts but some operators make it even slower.

There is a rhythm in making contacts in any contest:
--Station AAA calls CQ contest.
--Station BBB answers either by sending AAA de BBB or depending on the contest just sends his call BBB.
--Station AAA acknowledges BBB (this is important if more than one station answers the CQ) by sending BBB and the required exchange, turns it back to BBB by sending de AAA or BK.
--Station BBB acknowledges the receipt of the exchange and sends his exchange: QSL exchange and BK or de BBB.
--Stations acknowledges the receipt of BBB’s exchange and moves on: TU QRZ contest.

A definite rhythm to the exchange is established and all the required information is passed in a minimum amount of time, acknowledged and everyone gets a contact point.

But what happens in this scenario?
--Station AAA calls CQ contest.
--Station BBB answers the CQ with AAA de BBB and sends his information.
--Station AAA acknowledges the information and sends his exchange.
--Nothing more is heard from station B!

So station BBB you didn’t acknowledge the report so you won’t be logged!
I had this happen several times in the St. Pat’s contest as well as in past PODSX070 contests. Station BBB all you did was waste my time.

Let’s talk about the Contest Exchange.
From the rules for the St. Pat’s contest—Exchange: Callsign, RST and State/Province/Country (SPC)   eg: “W9SMR 599 FL”

That is all of the information that needs to be exchanged. I don’t care about your city, grid square, PODXS number or eye color. Sending unneeded information just slows things down!

My two most hated words in a SSB or digital contest: PLEASE COPY. What d0 you think I am going to do with it???

I will admit that any more my contest participation is limited. Hard keeping BIC! Even though I rarely operate PSK outside the PODXS070 contests I do enjoy them, especially the ones with six hour blocks so as long as I am able you’ll see me there.

So agree or disagree with what I have written but as I said in the beginning—I had to say it.

--
Peter, NN9K


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Re: St. Pat's Soapbox--my view

Dan Morris - KZ3T
 

Well stated David.  Could not have said that better my friend.

Dan Morris  KZ3T  070-1065

I live to live for Him!




On Mar 22, 2020, at 5:33 PM, David, K9DWR <david@...> wrote:

This is probably a good time to point out that tone matters in effective communication.

While the point Peter is trying to make is valid; there’s a good way, and a poor way to make it.  Using a combative, flame-worthy tone is not going to sway anyone to your side when identifying and trying to correct an issue.

Please think about framing this kind of soapbox in a more constructive manner.  It’s sufficient to point out the problem, provide examples of what would be better, and move on.  Using phrasing that is effectively name-calling and ranting doesn’t help anyone be better at operating, and potentially scares away people that could be helped rather than berated.  If you want better operators, help them be better.  Yelling at them helps nobody.


David, K9DWR
#1604 LONP #255
david@...

On Mar 22, 2020, at 16:01, Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...> wrote:

Peter:

You’re most likely preaching to the choir here because most PODXS member (should) already know this.  Have said it over & over that contacts must be short and sweet (only required info .. which does not include eye color nor your dogs name).

This contest I put in a couple hours until my hands stopped working efficiently… left hand is the worst and it cramped up so bad I was in pain.  Guess my contest days are numbered.

Didn’t work any new LONPs; so for me contest was a bust.

Maybe if we all keep griping about contest behavior some may get the point, but I rather doubt it.  Wish I had a button on rig that when pushed would out and slap those who aren’t with the program ! 😊

Jerry  n9avy

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Peter, NN9K #2629
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2020 3:33 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] St. Pat's Soapbox--my view

OK I’ll admit it, I’m old, crotchety and the governor says I have to stay in the house! So you can agree or disagree with what I am going to say, but I have to say it!

I would bet that 90% of the folks operating in the St. Pat’s PSK contest have never seriously or semi-seriously contested and it shows. PSK is not a fast mode for making contacts but some operators make it even slower.

There is a rhythm in making contacts in any contest:
--Station AAA calls CQ contest.
--Station BBB answers either by sending AAA de BBB or depending on the contest just sends his call BBB.
--Station AAA acknowledges BBB (this is important if more than one station answers the CQ) by sending BBB and the required exchange, turns it back to BBB by sending de AAA or BK.
--Station BBB acknowledges the receipt of the exchange and sends his exchange: QSL exchange and BK or de BBB.
--Stations acknowledges the receipt of BBB’s exchange and moves on: TU QRZ contest.

A definite rhythm to the exchange is established and all the required information is passed in a minimum amount of time, acknowledged and everyone gets a contact point.

But what happens in this scenario?
--Station AAA calls CQ contest.
--Station BBB answers the CQ with AAA de BBB and sends his information.
--Station AAA acknowledges the information and sends his exchange.
--Nothing more is heard from station B!

So station BBB you didn’t acknowledge the report so you won’t be logged!
I had this happen several times in the St. Pat’s contest as well as in past PODSX070 contests. Station BBB all you did was waste my time.

Let’s talk about the Contest Exchange.
From the rules for the St. Pat’s contest—Exchange: Callsign, RST and State/Province/Country (SPC)   eg: “W9SMR 599 FL”

That is all of the information that needs to be exchanged. I don’t care about your city, grid square, PODXS number or eye color. Sending unneeded information just slows things down!

My two most hated words in a SSB or digital contest: PLEASE COPY. What d0 you think I am going to do with it???

I will admit that any more my contest participation is limited. Hard keeping BIC! Even though I rarely operate PSK outside the PODXS070 contests I do enjoy them, especially the ones with six hour blocks so as long as I am able you’ll see me there.

So agree or disagree with what I have written but as I said in the beginning—I had to say it.

--
Peter, NN9K


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Re: St. Pat's Soapbox--my view

Brian (N2MLP)
 

ALSO WHEN THERE IS TEN STATION ACROSS THE WATERFALL WHAT IS THE RUSH??

 

========================

         de N2MLP Brian

       Monroe County PA

 

 

========================

 

 

From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim K5SP
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2020 5:30 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] St. Pat's Soapbox--my view

 

Wait a minute! One of the great things about our contests, and something that we are proud of, is the fact that they are relaxed laid back events !

 

Our members know this, and appreciate the lack of pressure to produce high numbers. We think nothing of taking the time to say hello to old friends (I am not saying that you exchange your full information). Many times non members ask for information, and we should take the time to help them, that is how our membership grows.

 

We DO NOT want our contests to turn into the dog eat dog fiascoes that some CW and RTTY events have become. We, as the premier PSK club stay and operate as gentlemen/women. 

 

So what if someone gives a little more info than the "suggested" exchange states; it is what helps to make our club unique, and makes our contests more fun. 

 

My .02

 

Jim, K5SP 

 

 

 

Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S10e, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone

 

 

-------- Original message --------

From: Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...>

Date: 3/22/20 4:01 PM (GMT-06:00)

To: 070Club@groups.io

Subject: Re: [070Club] St. Pat's Soapbox--my view

 

Peter:

 

You’re most likely preaching to the choir here because most PODXS member (should) already know this.  Have said it over & over that contacts must be short and sweet (only required info .. which does not include eye color nor your dogs name).

 

This contest I put in a couple hours until my hands stopped working efficiently… left hand is the worst and it cramped up so bad I was in pain.  Guess my contest days are numbered.

 

Didn’t work any new LONPs; so for me contest was a bust.

 

Maybe if we all keep griping about contest behavior some may get the point, but I rather doubt it.  Wish I had a button on rig that when pushed would out and slap those who aren’t with the program ! 😊 

 

Jerry  n9avy

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Peter, NN9K #2629
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2020 3:33 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] St. Pat's Soapbox--my view

 

OK I’ll admit it, I’m old, crotchety and the governor says I have to stay in the house! So you can agree or disagree with what I am going to say, but I have to say it!

 

I would bet that 90% of the folks operating in the St. Pat’s PSK contest have never seriously or semi-seriously contested and it shows. PSK is not a fast mode for making contacts but some operators make it even slower.

 

There is a rhythm in making contacts in any contest:

--Station AAA calls CQ contest.

--Station BBB answers either by sending AAA de BBB or depending on the contest just sends his call BBB.

--Station AAA acknowledges BBB (this is important if more than one station answers the CQ) by sending BBB and the required exchange, turns it back to BBB by sending de AAA or BK.

--Station BBB acknowledges the receipt of the exchange and sends his exchange: QSL exchange and BK or de BBB.

--Stations acknowledges the receipt of BBB’s exchange and moves on: TU QRZ contest.

 

A definite rhythm to the exchange is established and all the required information is passed in a minimum amount of time, acknowledged and everyone gets a contact point.

 

But what happens in this scenario?

--Station AAA calls CQ contest.

--Station BBB answers the CQ with AAA de BBB and sends his information.

--Station AAA acknowledges the information and sends his exchange.

--Nothing more is heard from station B!

 

So station BBB you didn’t acknowledge the report so you won’t be logged!

I had this happen several times in the St. Pat’s contest as well as in past PODSX070 contests. Station BBB all you did was waste my time.

 

Let’s talk about the Contest Exchange.

From the rules for the St. Pat’s contest—Exchange: Callsign, RST and State/Province/Country (SPC)   eg: “W9SMR 599 FL”

 

That is all of the information that needs to be exchanged. I don’t care about your city, grid square, PODXS number or eye color. Sending unneeded information just slows things down!

 

My two most hated words in a SSB or digital contest: PLEASE COPY. What d0 you think I am going to do with it???

 

I will admit that any more my contest participation is limited. Hard keeping BIC! Even though I rarely operate PSK outside the PODXS070 contests I do enjoy them, especially the ones with six hour blocks so as long as I am able you’ll see me there.

 

So agree or disagree with what I have written but as I said in the beginning—I had to say it.


--
Peter, NN9K

 


--
Jim,  K5SP #483
Member Services Director


Re: St. Pat's Soapbox--my view

David, K9DWR
 

This is probably a good time to point out that tone matters in effective communication.

While the point Peter is trying to make is valid; there’s a good way, and a poor way to make it. Using a combative, flame-worthy tone is not going to sway anyone to your side when identifying and trying to correct an issue.

Please think about framing this kind of soapbox in a more constructive manner. It’s sufficient to point out the problem, provide examples of what would be better, and move on. Using phrasing that is effectively name-calling and ranting doesn’t help anyone be better at operating, and potentially scares away people that could be helped rather than berated. If you want better operators, help them be better. Yelling at them helps nobody.


David, K9DWR
#1604 LONP #255
david@graniteweb.com

On Mar 22, 2020, at 16:01, Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Peter:

You’re most likely preaching to the choir here because most PODXS member (should) already know this. Have said it over & over that contacts must be short and sweet (only required info .. which does not include eye color nor your dogs name).

This contest I put in a couple hours until my hands stopped working efficiently… left hand is the worst and it cramped up so bad I was in pain. Guess my contest days are numbered.

Didn’t work any new LONPs; so for me contest was a bust.

Maybe if we all keep griping about contest behavior some may get the point, but I rather doubt it. Wish I had a button on rig that when pushed would out and slap those who aren’t with the program ! 😊

Jerry n9avy

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From: Peter, NN9K #2629
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2020 3:33 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] St. Pat's Soapbox--my view

OK I’ll admit it, I’m old, crotchety and the governor says I have to stay in the house! So you can agree or disagree with what I am going to say, but I have to say it!

I would bet that 90% of the folks operating in the St. Pat’s PSK contest have never seriously or semi-seriously contested and it shows. PSK is not a fast mode for making contacts but some operators make it even slower.

There is a rhythm in making contacts in any contest:
--Station AAA calls CQ contest.
--Station BBB answers either by sending AAA de BBB or depending on the contest just sends his call BBB.
--Station AAA acknowledges BBB (this is important if more than one station answers the CQ) by sending BBB and the required exchange, turns it back to BBB by sending de AAA or BK.
--Station BBB acknowledges the receipt of the exchange and sends his exchange: QSL exchange and BK or de BBB.
--Stations acknowledges the receipt of BBB’s exchange and moves on: TU QRZ contest.

A definite rhythm to the exchange is established and all the required information is passed in a minimum amount of time, acknowledged and everyone gets a contact point.

But what happens in this scenario?
--Station AAA calls CQ contest.
--Station BBB answers the CQ with AAA de BBB and sends his information.
--Station AAA acknowledges the information and sends his exchange.
--Nothing more is heard from station B!

So station BBB you didn’t acknowledge the report so you won’t be logged!
I had this happen several times in the St. Pat’s contest as well as in past PODSX070 contests. Station BBB all you did was waste my time.

Let’s talk about the Contest Exchange.
From the rules for the St. Pat’s contest—Exchange: Callsign, RST and State/Province/Country (SPC) eg: “W9SMR 599 FL”

That is all of the information that needs to be exchanged. I don’t care about your city, grid square, PODXS number or eye color. Sending unneeded information just slows things down!

My two most hated words in a SSB or digital contest: PLEASE COPY. What d0 you think I am going to do with it???

I will admit that any more my contest participation is limited. Hard keeping BIC! Even though I rarely operate PSK outside the PODXS070 contests I do enjoy them, especially the ones with six hour blocks so as long as I am able you’ll see me there.

So agree or disagree with what I have written but as I said in the beginning—I had to say it.

--
Peter, NN9K


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Re: St. Pat's Soapbox--my view

Jim K5SP
 

Wait a minute! One of the great things about our contests, and something that we are proud of, is the fact that they are relaxed laid back events !

Our members know this, and appreciate the lack of pressure to produce high numbers. We think nothing of taking the time to say hello to old friends (I am not saying that you exchange your full information). Many times non members ask for information, and we should take the time to help them, that is how our membership grows.

We DO NOT want our contests to turn into the dog eat dog fiascoes that some CW and RTTY events have become. We, as the premier PSK club stay and operate as gentlemen/women. 

So what if someone gives a little more info than the "suggested" exchange states; it is what helps to make our club unique, and makes our contests more fun. 

My .02

Jim, K5SP 



Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S10e, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...>
Date: 3/22/20 4:01 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] St. Pat's Soapbox--my view

Peter:

 

You’re most likely preaching to the choir here because most PODXS member (should) already know this.  Have said it over & over that contacts must be short and sweet (only required info .. which does not include eye color nor your dogs name).

 

This contest I put in a couple hours until my hands stopped working efficiently… left hand is the worst and it cramped up so bad I was in pain.  Guess my contest days are numbered.

 

Didn’t work any new LONPs; so for me contest was a bust.

 

Maybe if we all keep griping about contest behavior some may get the point, but I rather doubt it.  Wish I had a button on rig that when pushed would out and slap those who aren’t with the program ! 😊 

 

Jerry  n9avy

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Peter, NN9K #2629
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2020 3:33 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] St. Pat's Soapbox--my view

 

OK I’ll admit it, I’m old, crotchety and the governor says I have to stay in the house! So you can agree or disagree with what I am going to say, but I have to say it!

 

I would bet that 90% of the folks operating in the St. Pat’s PSK contest have never seriously or semi-seriously contested and it shows. PSK is not a fast mode for making contacts but some operators make it even slower.

 

There is a rhythm in making contacts in any contest:

--Station AAA calls CQ contest.

--Station BBB answers either by sending AAA de BBB or depending on the contest just sends his call BBB.

--Station AAA acknowledges BBB (this is important if more than one station answers the CQ) by sending BBB and the required exchange, turns it back to BBB by sending de AAA or BK.

--Station BBB acknowledges the receipt of the exchange and sends his exchange: QSL exchange and BK or de BBB.

--Stations acknowledges the receipt of BBB’s exchange and moves on: TU QRZ contest.

 

A definite rhythm to the exchange is established and all the required information is passed in a minimum amount of time, acknowledged and everyone gets a contact point.

 

But what happens in this scenario?

--Station AAA calls CQ contest.

--Station BBB answers the CQ with AAA de BBB and sends his information.

--Station AAA acknowledges the information and sends his exchange.

--Nothing more is heard from station B!

 

So station BBB you didn’t acknowledge the report so you won’t be logged!

I had this happen several times in the St. Pat’s contest as well as in past PODSX070 contests. Station BBB all you did was waste my time.

 

Let’s talk about the Contest Exchange.

From the rules for the St. Pat’s contest—Exchange: Callsign, RST and State/Province/Country (SPC)   eg: “W9SMR 599 FL”

 

That is all of the information that needs to be exchanged. I don’t care about your city, grid square, PODXS number or eye color. Sending unneeded information just slows things down!

 

My two most hated words in a SSB or digital contest: PLEASE COPY. What d0 you think I am going to do with it???

 

I will admit that any more my contest participation is limited. Hard keeping BIC! Even though I rarely operate PSK outside the PODXS070 contests I do enjoy them, especially the ones with six hour blocks so as long as I am able you’ll see me there.

 

So agree or disagree with what I have written but as I said in the beginning—I had to say it.


--
Peter, NN9K

 


--
Jim,  K5SP #483
Member Services Director


Re: St. Pat's Soapbox--my view

Jerry N9AVY
 

Peter:

 

You’re most likely preaching to the choir here because most PODXS member (should) already know this.  Have said it over & over that contacts must be short and sweet (only required info .. which does not include eye color nor your dogs name).

 

This contest I put in a couple hours until my hands stopped working efficiently… left hand is the worst and it cramped up so bad I was in pain.  Guess my contest days are numbered.

 

Didn’t work any new LONPs; so for me contest was a bust.

 

Maybe if we all keep griping about contest behavior some may get the point, but I rather doubt it.  Wish I had a button on rig that when pushed would out and slap those who aren’t with the program ! 😊 

 

Jerry  n9avy

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Peter, NN9K #2629
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2020 3:33 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] St. Pat's Soapbox--my view

 

OK I’ll admit it, I’m old, crotchety and the governor says I have to stay in the house! So you can agree or disagree with what I am going to say, but I have to say it!

 

I would bet that 90% of the folks operating in the St. Pat’s PSK contest have never seriously or semi-seriously contested and it shows. PSK is not a fast mode for making contacts but some operators make it even slower.

 

There is a rhythm in making contacts in any contest:

--Station AAA calls CQ contest.

--Station BBB answers either by sending AAA de BBB or depending on the contest just sends his call BBB.

--Station AAA acknowledges BBB (this is important if more than one station answers the CQ) by sending BBB and the required exchange, turns it back to BBB by sending de AAA or BK.

--Station BBB acknowledges the receipt of the exchange and sends his exchange: QSL exchange and BK or de BBB.

--Stations acknowledges the receipt of BBB’s exchange and moves on: TU QRZ contest.

 

A definite rhythm to the exchange is established and all the required information is passed in a minimum amount of time, acknowledged and everyone gets a contact point.

 

But what happens in this scenario?

--Station AAA calls CQ contest.

--Station BBB answers the CQ with AAA de BBB and sends his information.

--Station AAA acknowledges the information and sends his exchange.

--Nothing more is heard from station B!

 

So station BBB you didn’t acknowledge the report so you won’t be logged!

I had this happen several times in the St. Pat’s contest as well as in past PODSX070 contests. Station BBB all you did was waste my time.

 

Let’s talk about the Contest Exchange.

From the rules for the St. Pat’s contest—Exchange: Callsign, RST and State/Province/Country (SPC)   eg: “W9SMR 599 FL”

 

That is all of the information that needs to be exchanged. I don’t care about your city, grid square, PODXS number or eye color. Sending unneeded information just slows things down!

 

My two most hated words in a SSB or digital contest: PLEASE COPY. What d0 you think I am going to do with it???

 

I will admit that any more my contest participation is limited. Hard keeping BIC! Even though I rarely operate PSK outside the PODXS070 contests I do enjoy them, especially the ones with six hour blocks so as long as I am able you’ll see me there.

 

So agree or disagree with what I have written but as I said in the beginning—I had to say it.


--
Peter, NN9K

 


Re: St. Pat's Soapbox--my view

JEFF WALSH
 

The contests for me are a form of enjoyment ..... I don't take em too seriously .... I try to get on as much as I can during a contest because I believe I am the only PSK31 station on the air from Mississippi and I know that I can be a multiplier for stations ..... I also believe that as members of PODXS we should support the Club by participating in Club sponsored events ...... I have won a few events over the years .... win lose or draw I have always enjoyed em as a form of relaxation.....not good for the blood pressure to take em too seriously ... hi hi    

JEFF WALSH
W3WMU
#1673
BUBBAWOOD
WORLDWIDE HEADQUARTERS
STURGIS, MS.


On Sunday, March 22, 2020, 03:32:59 PM CDT, Peter, NN9K #2629 <nn9k.peter@...> wrote:


OK I’ll admit it, I’m old, crotchety and the governor says I have to stay in the house! So you can agree or disagree with what I am going to say, but I have to say it!

 

I would bet that 90% of the folks operating in the St. Pat’s PSK contest have never seriously or semi-seriously contested and it shows. PSK is not a fast mode for making contacts but some operators make it even slower.

 

There is a rhythm in making contacts in any contest:

--Station AAA calls CQ contest.

--Station BBB answers either by sending AAA de BBB or depending on the contest just sends his call BBB.

--Station AAA acknowledges BBB (this is important if more than one station answers the CQ) by sending BBB and the required exchange, turns it back to BBB by sending de AAA or BK.

--Station BBB acknowledges the receipt of the exchange and sends his exchange: QSL exchange and BK or de BBB.

--Stations acknowledges the receipt of BBB’s exchange and moves on: TU QRZ contest.

 

A definite rhythm to the exchange is established and all the required information is passed in a minimum amount of time, acknowledged and everyone gets a contact point.

 

But what happens in this scenario?

--Station AAA calls CQ contest.

--Station BBB answers the CQ with AAA de BBB and sends his information.

--Station AAA acknowledges the information and sends his exchange.

--Nothing more is heard from station B!

 

So station BBB you didn’t acknowledge the report so you won’t be logged!

I had this happen several times in the St. Pat’s contest as well as in past PODSX070 contests. Station BBB all you did was waste my time.

 

Let’s talk about the Contest Exchange.

From the rules for the St. Pat’s contest—Exchange: Callsign, RST and State/Province/Country (SPC)   eg: “W9SMR 599 FL”

 

That is all of the information that needs to be exchanged. I don’t care about your city, grid square, PODXS number or eye color. Sending unneeded information just slows things down!

 

My two most hated words in a SSB or digital contest: PLEASE COPY. What d0 you think I am going to do with it???

 

I will admit that any more my contest participation is limited. Hard keeping BIC! Even though I rarely operate PSK outside the PODXS070 contests I do enjoy them, especially the ones with six hour blocks so as long as I am able you’ll see me there.

 

So agree or disagree with what I have written but as I said in the beginning—I had to say it.


--
Peter, NN9K


Re: St. Pat's Soapbox--my view

Peter, NN9K #2629
 

OK I’ll admit it, I’m old, crotchety and the governor says I have to stay in the house! So you can agree or disagree with what I am going to say, but I have to say it!

 

I would bet that 90% of the folks operating in the St. Pat’s PSK contest have never seriously or semi-seriously contested and it shows. PSK is not a fast mode for making contacts but some operators make it even slower.

 

There is a rhythm in making contacts in any contest:

--Station AAA calls CQ contest.

--Station BBB answers either by sending AAA de BBB or depending on the contest just sends his call BBB.

--Station AAA acknowledges BBB (this is important if more than one station answers the CQ) by sending BBB and the required exchange, turns it back to BBB by sending de AAA or BK.

--Station BBB acknowledges the receipt of the exchange and sends his exchange: QSL exchange and BK or de BBB.

--Stations acknowledges the receipt of BBB’s exchange and moves on: TU QRZ contest.

 

A definite rhythm to the exchange is established and all the required information is passed in a minimum amount of time, acknowledged and everyone gets a contact point.

 

But what happens in this scenario?

--Station AAA calls CQ contest.

--Station BBB answers the CQ with AAA de BBB and sends his information.

--Station AAA acknowledges the information and sends his exchange.

--Nothing more is heard from station B!

 

So station BBB you didn’t acknowledge the report so you won’t be logged!

I had this happen several times in the St. Pat’s contest as well as in past PODSX070 contests. Station BBB all you did was waste my time.

 

Let’s talk about the Contest Exchange.

From the rules for the St. Pat’s contest—Exchange: Callsign, RST and State/Province/Country (SPC)   eg: “W9SMR 599 FL”

 

That is all of the information that needs to be exchanged. I don’t care about your city, grid square, PODXS number or eye color. Sending unneeded information just slows things down!

 

My two most hated words in a SSB or digital contest: PLEASE COPY. What d0 you think I am going to do with it???

 

I will admit that any more my contest participation is limited. Hard keeping BIC! Even though I rarely operate PSK outside the PODXS070 contests I do enjoy them, especially the ones with six hour blocks so as long as I am able you’ll see me there.

 

So agree or disagree with what I have written but as I said in the beginning—I had to say it.


--
Peter, NN9K


Re: St. Pat's Soapbox

Richard Rohrer
 

Hi Rick,

Saw you several times on 40mtrs working others, but could not seem to connect.  Did manage to work John, KC3FL in FL.  Was nice to see more traces on the waterfall for a change.  Saturday had several EU stations on the air, but not contesting. Did not see any West Coast stations.  Worked a couple of 7's but they were in the mid-West.   

73
Dick - KC3EF


St. Pat's Soapbox

Rick - N7WE
 

It was really great to see the 40m waterfall wall-to-wall on Friday night!  Been a long time since I saw participation like that.  And great participation on 20 and 40 on Saturday.  Special mention to Barry VA7GEM who was in there from the RF Black Hole in the PNW - great to work you again!  Many many thanks to all who played.  You guys and gals made my weekend.

I sure didn't win anything, but I did manage 5 new LONPs.  Good turnout by our newer members!  But no new grids for me and I missed Erin Go Bragh by only that pesky N.  Saw several, but couldn't work them.  All in all a fun event for me.  And many thanks to those working hard behind the scenes that make it possible for 070 to continue our contests, despite all the software and web challenges.
--
Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602


Re: KC3EF Road Trip

Richard Rohrer
 

Hi Dave,

Yes not good propagation when we tried.  When I got back on 20 after lunch, there were several West coast stations on, but no East coast stations.  Lots of EU stations on FT8.  We will be in DE again in November around Thanksgiving, if we can travel by then, and I will be operating from Newark, DE with a 20mtr and 40mtr dipole.  This may give a better chance on 40.  

73
Dick - KC3EF


Re: St Patrick's Day Contest

Roger Boehnlein
 

I am on 20 now around 1730 on the waterfall if anybody can see me.

Roger

N8TCP

 

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From: Geary McDowell
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2020 10:15 AM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] St Patrick's Day Contest

 

I will be off an on during the day about 9:30 am to 8:00 pm Oklahoma time. 

Geary KE5IRK

 

On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 9:08 PM Alan Sorum WL7CG <asorum@...> wrote:

All,

Is anyone on for the contest? If I read it right, it is happening now?
All quiet in Alaska.

73 Alan WL7CG




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