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Missing screen data fldigi 4.0.7

Mike Tarnowsky
 

Greetings , for years I had fldigi working well. Moved to NC and upgraded to 4.0.7. Now the waterfall shows nothing and the input screen above it is solid white. I did make a partial contact  on 14.070 but the other stations info did not appear on the incoming screen but showed up in my text screen which is just to the right of the in screen. 
No waterfall activity either. Anyone have an idea of what got jumbled? It is not a propagation problem.
Thanks, Mike T. WB2YJS 070 ##24xx


Re: W5DP Calling CQ on 30M

Roger Boehnlein
 

Just saw K5SP but faded out quickly on 30m

Roger

N8TCP

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Brian (N2MLP)
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 1:05 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] W5DP Calling CQ on 30M

 

K5SP spotted

 

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         de N2MLP Brian

       Monroe County PA

 

 

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From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Dan Morris - KZ3T
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 1:04 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] W5DP Calling CQ on 30M

 

OK, I’m working W8KQ and he says my signal is 599 and looks very good!!!


Dan Morris  KZ3T

 

I live to live for Him!

 

 

On Aug 14, 2019, at 1:03 PM, Brian (N2MLP) <n2mlp@...> wrote:

 

Saw you but you where wide   very hard to decode

 

 

Lost you now

 

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         de N2MLP Brian

       Monroe County PA

 

 

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From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Dan Morris - KZ3T
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 12:58 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] W5DP Calling CQ on 30M

 

Brian - I believe that is me you said I’m overdriving but all my settings are as they have been for years.  Nothing has changed so not sure why I would be overdriving.

 

I’m checking everything now though.  Let me know if you are still on and if I might still be overdriving.  Thanks


Dan Morris  KZ3T  070-1065

 

I live to live for Him!

 

 

 



On Aug 14, 2019, at 12:53 PM, Brian (N2MLP) <n2mlp@...> wrote:

 

NOT SEEING MUCH SOMEONE AT 1100  WAY OVER DRIVEN

 

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         de N2MLP Brian

       Monroe County PA

 

 

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From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian (N2MLP)
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 12:34 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] W5DP Calling CQ on 30M

 

Will look for you

 

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         de N2MLP Brian

       Monroe County PA

 

 

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From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of W5DP
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 12:08 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: [070Club] W5DP Calling CQ on 30M

 

16:07 8/14/19 
calling CQ on 10.140 pllus 2000
See if the band is open or not.  

 

 

 


Re: W5DP Calling CQ on 30M

Brian (N2MLP)
 

K5SP spotted

 

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         de N2MLP Brian

       Monroe County PA

 

 

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From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Dan Morris - KZ3T
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 1:04 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] W5DP Calling CQ on 30M

 

OK, I’m working W8KQ and he says my signal is 599 and looks very good!!!


Dan Morris  KZ3T

 

I live to live for Him!

 



On Aug 14, 2019, at 1:03 PM, Brian (N2MLP) <n2mlp@...> wrote:

 

Saw you but you where wide   very hard to decode

 

 

Lost you now

 

========================

         de N2MLP Brian

       Monroe County PA

 

 

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From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Dan Morris - KZ3T
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 12:58 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] W5DP Calling CQ on 30M

 

Brian - I believe that is me you said I’m overdriving but all my settings are as they have been for years.  Nothing has changed so not sure why I would be overdriving.

 

I’m checking everything now though.  Let me know if you are still on and if I might still be overdriving.  Thanks


Dan Morris  KZ3T  070-1065

 

I live to live for Him!

 

 

 




On Aug 14, 2019, at 12:53 PM, Brian (N2MLP) <n2mlp@...> wrote:

 

NOT SEEING MUCH SOMEONE AT 1100  WAY OVER DRIVEN

 

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         de N2MLP Brian

       Monroe County PA

 

 

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From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian (N2MLP)
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 12:34 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] W5DP Calling CQ on 30M

 

Will look for you

 

========================

         de N2MLP Brian

       Monroe County PA

 

 

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========================

 

 

From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of W5DP
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 12:08 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: [070Club] W5DP Calling CQ on 30M

 

16:07 8/14/19 
calling CQ on 10.140 pllus 2000
See if the band is open or not.  

 

 


Re: W5DP Calling CQ on 30M

Dan Morris - KZ3T
 

OK, I’m working W8KQ and he says my signal is 599 and looks very good!!!

Dan Morris  KZ3T

I live to live for Him!



On Aug 14, 2019, at 1:03 PM, Brian (N2MLP) <n2mlp@...> wrote:

Saw you but you where wide   very hard to decode
 
 
Lost you now
 
========================
         de N2MLP Brian
       Monroe County PA
 
 
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From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Dan Morris - KZ3T
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 12:58 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] W5DP Calling CQ on 30M
 
Brian - I believe that is me you said I’m overdriving but all my settings are as they have been for years.  Nothing has changed so not sure why I would be overdriving.
 
I’m checking everything now though.  Let me know if you are still on and if I might still be overdriving.  Thanks

Dan Morris  KZ3T  070-1065
 
I live to live for Him!
 
 
 


On Aug 14, 2019, at 12:53 PM, Brian (N2MLP) <n2mlp@...> wrote:
 
NOT SEEING MUCH SOMEONE AT 1100  WAY OVER DRIVEN
 
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         de N2MLP Brian
       Monroe County PA
 
 
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From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian (N2MLP)
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 12:34 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] W5DP Calling CQ on 30M
 
Will look for you
 
========================
         de N2MLP Brian
       Monroe County PA
 
 
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From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of W5DP
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 12:08 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: [070Club] W5DP Calling CQ on 30M
 
16:07 8/14/19 
calling CQ on 10.140 pllus 2000
See if the band is open or not.  
 



Re: W5DP Calling CQ on 30M

Brian (N2MLP)
 

Saw you but you where wide   very hard to decode

 

 

Lost you now

 

========================

         de N2MLP Brian

       Monroe County PA

 

 

========================

 

 

From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Dan Morris - KZ3T
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 12:58 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] W5DP Calling CQ on 30M

 

Brian - I believe that is me you said I’m overdriving but all my settings are as they have been for years.  Nothing has changed so not sure why I would be overdriving.

 

I’m checking everything now though.  Let me know if you are still on and if I might still be overdriving.  Thanks


Dan Morris  KZ3T  070-1065

 

I live to live for Him!

 

 

 



On Aug 14, 2019, at 12:53 PM, Brian (N2MLP) <n2mlp@...> wrote:

 

NOT SEEING MUCH SOMEONE AT 1100  WAY OVER DRIVEN

 

========================

         de N2MLP Brian

       Monroe County PA

 

 

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From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian (N2MLP)
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 12:34 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] W5DP Calling CQ on 30M

 

Will look for you

 

========================

         de N2MLP Brian

       Monroe County PA

 

 

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========================

 

 

From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of W5DP
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 12:08 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: [070Club] W5DP Calling CQ on 30M

 

16:07 8/14/19 
calling CQ on 10.140 pllus 2000
See if the band is open or not.  

 


Re: W5DP Calling CQ on 30M

Brian (N2MLP)
 

W8KQ  SPOTTED

 

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         de N2MLP Brian

       Monroe County PA

 

 

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From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of WA7ETE #872
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 12:50 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] W5DP Calling CQ on 30M

 

I?m on also from central WA. 

WA7ETE 

 

On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 9:34 AM Brian (N2MLP) <n2mlp@...> wrote:

Will look for you

 

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         de N2MLP Brian

       Monroe County PA

 

 

Error! Filename not specified.

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From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of W5DP
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 12:08 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: [070Club] W5DP Calling CQ on 30M

 

16:07 8/14/19 
calling CQ on 10.140 pllus 2000
See if the band is open or not. 

--

Steve Case


Re: W5DP Calling CQ on 30M

Dan Morris - KZ3T
 

Brian - I believe that is me you said I’m overdriving but all my settings are as they have been for years.  Nothing has changed so not sure why I would be overdriving.

I’m checking everything now though.  Let me know if you are still on and if I might still be overdriving.  Thanks

Dan Morris  KZ3T  070-1065

I live to live for Him!




On Aug 14, 2019, at 12:53 PM, Brian (N2MLP) <n2mlp@...> wrote:

NOT SEEING MUCH SOMEONE AT 1100  WAY OVER DRIVEN
 
========================
         de N2MLP Brian
       Monroe County PA
 
 
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From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian (N2MLP)
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 12:34 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] W5DP Calling CQ on 30M
 
Will look for you
 
========================
         de N2MLP Brian
       Monroe County PA
 
 
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========================
 
 
From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of W5DP
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 12:08 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: [070Club] W5DP Calling CQ on 30M
 
16:07 8/14/19 
calling CQ on 10.140 pllus 2000
See if the band is open or not.  



Re: W5DP Calling CQ on 30M

Dan Morris - KZ3T
 

Don’t see you at all. Sri

Dan Morris  KZ3T

I live to live for Him!



On Aug 14, 2019, at 12:53 PM, WA7ETE #872 <artcase@...> wrote:

10140 plus 1400
WA7ETE 

On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 9:51 AM Dan Morris - KZ3T <dbmorris315@...> wrote:
What freq?  10.140 ?

Dan Morris  KZ3T

I live to live for Him!



On Aug 14, 2019, at 12:50 PM, WA7ETE #872 <artcase@...> wrote:

I?m on also from central WA. 
WA7ETE 

On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 9:34 AM Brian (N2MLP) <n2mlp@...> wrote:

Will look for you

 

========================

         de N2MLP Brian

       Monroe County PA

 
 

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From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of W5DP
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 12:08 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: [070Club] W5DP Calling CQ on 30M

 

16:07 8/14/19 
calling CQ on 10.140 pllus 2000
See if the band is open or not. 


--
Steve Case

--
Steve Case


Re: W5DP Calling CQ on 30M

Brian (N2MLP)
 

WA7ETE    SPOTED

 

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         de N2MLP Brian

       Monroe County PA

 

 

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From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of WA7ETE #872
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 12:54 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] W5DP Calling CQ on 30M

 

10140 plus 1400

WA7ETE 

 

On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 9:51 AM Dan Morris - KZ3T <dbmorris315@...> wrote:

What freq?  10.140 ?


Dan Morris  KZ3T

 

I live to live for Him!

 

 

On Aug 14, 2019, at 12:50 PM, WA7ETE #872 <artcase@...> wrote:

 

I?m on also from central WA. 

WA7ETE 

 

On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 9:34 AM Brian (N2MLP) <n2mlp@...> wrote:

Will look for you

 

========================

         de N2MLP Brian

       Monroe County PA

 

 

Error! Filename not specified.

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From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of W5DP
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 12:08 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: [070Club] W5DP Calling CQ on 30M

 

16:07 8/14/19 
calling CQ on 10.140 pllus 2000
See if the band is open or not. 

 

--

Steve Case

 

--

Steve Case


Re: W5DP Calling CQ on 30M

WA7ETE #872
 

10140 plus 1400
WA7ETE 

On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 9:51 AM Dan Morris - KZ3T <dbmorris315@...> wrote:
What freq?  10.140 ?

Dan Morris  KZ3T

I live to live for Him!



On Aug 14, 2019, at 12:50 PM, WA7ETE #872 <artcase@...> wrote:

I?m on also from central WA. 
WA7ETE 

On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 9:34 AM Brian (N2MLP) <n2mlp@...> wrote:

Will look for you

 

========================

         de N2MLP Brian

       Monroe County PA

 
 

========================

 
 

From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of W5DP
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 12:08 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: [070Club] W5DP Calling CQ on 30M

 

16:07 8/14/19 
calling CQ on 10.140 pllus 2000
See if the band is open or not. 


--
Steve Case

--
Steve Case


Re: W5DP Calling CQ on 30M

Brian (N2MLP)
 

NOT SEEING MUCH SOMEONE AT 1100  WAY OVER DRIVEN

 

========================

         de N2MLP Brian

       Monroe County PA

 

 

========================

 

 

From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian (N2MLP)
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 12:34 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] W5DP Calling CQ on 30M

 

Will look for you

 

========================

         de N2MLP Brian

       Monroe County PA

 

 

========================

 

 

From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of W5DP
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 12:08 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: [070Club] W5DP Calling CQ on 30M

 

16:07 8/14/19 
calling CQ on 10.140 pllus 2000
See if the band is open or not. 


Re: W5DP Calling CQ on 30M

Dan Morris - KZ3T
 

What freq?  10.140 ?

Dan Morris  KZ3T

I live to live for Him!



On Aug 14, 2019, at 12:50 PM, WA7ETE #872 <artcase@...> wrote:

I?m on also from central WA. 
WA7ETE 

On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 9:34 AM Brian (N2MLP) <n2mlp@...> wrote:

Will look for you

 

========================

         de N2MLP Brian

       Monroe County PA

 
 

========================

 
 

From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of W5DP
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 12:08 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: [070Club] W5DP Calling CQ on 30M

 

16:07 8/14/19 
calling CQ on 10.140 pllus 2000
See if the band is open or not. 


--
Steve Case


Re: W5DP Calling CQ on 30M

WA7ETE #872
 

I?m on also from central WA. 
WA7ETE 

On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 9:34 AM Brian (N2MLP) <n2mlp@...> wrote:

Will look for you

 

========================

         de N2MLP Brian

       Monroe County PA

 

 

========================

 

 

From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of W5DP
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 12:08 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: [070Club] W5DP Calling CQ on 30M

 

16:07 8/14/19 
calling CQ on 10.140 pllus 2000
See if the band is open or not. 

--
Steve Case


Re: W5DP Calling CQ on 30M

Brian (N2MLP)
 

Will look for you

 

========================

         de N2MLP Brian

       Monroe County PA

 

 

========================

 

 

From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of W5DP
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 12:08 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: [070Club] W5DP Calling CQ on 30M

 

16:07 8/14/19 
calling CQ on 10.140 pllus 2000
See if the band is open or not. 


W5DP Calling CQ on 30M

W5DP
 

16:07 8/14/19 
calling CQ on 10.140 pllus 2000
See if the band is open or not. 


APE Tracker

W7RIV
 

Everyone, 

Please, even last minute APES, if you do not see your information on this link, please send it to me. If your name is on there, and it needs to be updated, please message me as well.

Thanks,
Bryon, W7RIV

 


Re: Losing 30M

Jerry N9AVY
 

ARRL only has about 152,000 members, but the U.S. ham population is around 620,000.  I doubt that very few of the ARRL members are digital op. 

 

Complaints to ARRL ???   Seems that’s an excuse they use.   When I was an OO  I cited about 50 ham during a contest for operating “out of band” and got a slap on the wrist from ARRL because they would get too many “complaints”.   That told me their stance on enforcement … it was okay in small numbers , but catching too many violators was bad.

 

Jerry n9avy

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: John Frederick via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 6:16 AM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] Losing 30M

 

Yes it does, popularity. It all proves my point about numbers and band space. The advent of the no-code license had the FCC change the regulated band assignments. That is the point I keep trying to make FT8 wins because of popularity, just like phone expansion because of popularity fueled by the no-code license. I never said it was bad, using digital modes has pushed the state of the art. Your point about am vs ssb is moot all of the digital modes take less bandwidth than phone, but phone still has regulated band assignments. Popularity, that is the point I keep trying to make. You can say the ARRL won’t do anything, because more hams will complain about impeding FT8 than taking PSK’s “gentleman “ agreement. You and I may not like it,but we just need to move on.

 


On Aug 13, 2019, at 19:21, Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...> wrote:

Being a “no-coder” has nothing to do with anything !   Am a coded  Extra here.

 

Jerry  n9avy

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: John Frederick via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2019 6:30 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] Losing 30M

 

Guys FT8 signals out number psk/cw/ssb 10:1 in numbers count. Go to Club Log and look at the FT8 to other ratio. You can yell and scream about an arrogant software developer, but he had to choose something. Since there weren’t a lot of PSK traces on the waterfall the rest is history. My simple observations are that it is the same 6 stations on PSK, I love operating PSK and try to use it, but FT8 is more popular period. You can’t change that. I was first licensed in the 70’s when hams rag chewed and nets were on 75m with all the alligators. Now nets are everywhere and everybody just wants their signal report and a contact on LOTW. You can site the thousands of documents that identify the PSK frequencies, but it doesn’t matter! We took CW frequencies because PSK was more popular, and how many of you are no-code licensees, now FT8 is more popular and we lose. You all know that is how the world works, think about it. We don’t want you here in the United States unless your a Doctor from India. Winners and losers folks, FT8 won. Like the man said, just the facts!

 

 


On Aug 13, 2019, at 5:55 PM, Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...> wrote:

That’s true bck in the 50’s the AM had a major “war” with SSBers and SSB eventually won out.  It was because of bandwidth… AM takes up twice the spectrum that SSB does.  Today AM signals are few and far between. Was there in late 50’s and saw it happen.

 

Jerry  n9avy

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: John Frederick via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2019 2:48 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] Losing 30M

 

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the AM guys said the same thing about SSB in 1950. FT8 is more popular operating mode than PSK so we lose out because of simple numbers. Get over it, move your PSK operation somewhere else and get the CW guys mad like we did when we took over 7.040. I know this is not popular, but it is reality. I have been trying to operate PSK for the past couple of months with no contacts. Please move on.

 

John, N8GOU


On Aug 13, 2019, at 9:11 AM, Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...> wrote:

Yes, the “Gentlemen’s Agreements” were set up by the ARRL back when it saw Amateur Radio in a different light.

These agreements were a way for Amateurs to live in relative harmony on the bands and it worked well until the present when ARRL jumped on the FT8 bandwagon and started promoting FT modes as a means to work DX, grids, etc. 

 

This has caused a blatant disregard for other modes and has created a “CB mentality” that FT mode operators can operate anywhere they please. This was another ARRL created disaster in the vein of “incentive licensing”.

 

Today, ARRL is trying to do “damage control” because they are losing members at a faster pace than expected. Of the 620,000 U.S. hams only about 152,000 are ARRL members.  Some life members are even regretting the choice and have admitted it publicly.  Since I dropped ARRL membership about 2 years ago , I am bombarded monthly with “special offers” on membership like join today and received this ARRL book free or 3 months free membership !  These arrive 2-3 times a month in my email or vi snail mail.   My guess is that ARRL is in trouble. Add to this that many new hams don’t feel the need to join ARRL and it translates to declining membership.

 

Back to the present discussion …  There are several cases of violations of FCC Part 97 (available on line) which are violations, depending on interpretation.  One of the frequent ones I see regularly is the failure to ID when signing out of a QSO.  This also applies to PSK31.  Quite often I will be copying the mail and see a station simply end with “73” and no call sign – a violation. The rule is at beginning and end of transmission plus every 10 minutes in between.  No excuse, just sloppy, ignorant operators. Perhaps this will change with new FCC connected program, but seems doubtful.

 

So, not much can be done with the FT modes “violators”  except try to fill our portion of bands with activity and hope it chases many away from these “incursions”.  Setting up beacons might be a possible solution, BUT that would be just plain old illegal since automatic control of beacons below 10 meters is NOT allowed. (Just in case anyone had that thought.)

 

So, the only alternative left is to live with the FT modes until some legislation comes down from FCC…  that will probably be never.

 

Jerry  n9avy

 

 

 

 

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From: W5DP
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2019 8:38 AM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] Losing 30M

 

These gentlemen’s agreements were setup and promoted by the ARRL. Right? It seems to that’s the way it is. I have a chart from the ARRL where the different modes are acceptable in the different portions of the band.

 

Question is: How many ppl are members of the ARRL? Are they losing memberships? Maybe that is why there is so much disinterest in the gentlemen’s agreements for the different modes.

 

Not sure I’m right on this, someone can fact check me.

 

Dusty

W5DP

 

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Re: KG5OIB

Bill Maier
 

I tried to spot him for about an hour in the early afternoon on 20m but never did see his signal. Looked like conditions were rather poor in general, because I saw very few signals at all. Got just one contact, and QSB forced an early termination of it.

-Bill  KG5RMJ


Re: Losing 30M

John Frederick <jafrederick@...>
 

Yes it does, popularity. It all proves my point about numbers and band space. The advent of the no-code license had the FCC change the regulated band assignments. That is the point I keep trying to make FT8 wins because of popularity, just like phone expansion because of popularity fueled by the no-code license. I never said it was bad, using digital modes has pushed the state of the art. Your point about am vs ssb is moot all of the digital modes take less bandwidth than phone, but phone still has regulated band assignments. Popularity, that is the point I keep trying to make. You can say the ARRL won’t do anything, because more hams will complain about impeding FT8 than taking PSK’s “gentleman “ agreement. You and I may not like it,but we just need to move on.


On Aug 13, 2019, at 19:21, Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...> wrote:

Being a “no-coder” has nothing to do with anything !   Am a coded  Extra here.

 

Jerry  n9avy

 

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From: John Frederick via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2019 6:30 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] Losing 30M

 

Guys FT8 signals out number psk/cw/ssb 10:1 in numbers count. Go to Club Log and look at the FT8 to other ratio. You can yell and scream about an arrogant software developer, but he had to choose something. Since there weren’t a lot of PSK traces on the waterfall the rest is history. My simple observations are that it is the same 6 stations on PSK, I love operating PSK and try to use it, but FT8 is more popular period. You can’t change that. I was first licensed in the 70’s when hams rag chewed and nets were on 75m with all the alligators. Now nets are everywhere and everybody just wants their signal report and a contact on LOTW. You can site the thousands of documents that identify the PSK frequencies, but it doesn’t matter! We took CW frequencies because PSK was more popular, and how many of you are no-code licensees, now FT8 is more popular and we lose. You all know that is how the world works, think about it. We don’t want you here in the United States unless your a Doctor from India. Winners and losers folks, FT8 won. Like the man said, just the facts!

 

 


On Aug 13, 2019, at 5:55 PM, Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...> wrote:

That’s true bck in the 50’s the AM had a major “war” with SSBers and SSB eventually won out.  It was because of bandwidth… AM takes up twice the spectrum that SSB does.  Today AM signals are few and far between. Was there in late 50’s and saw it happen.

 

Jerry  n9avy

 

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From: John Frederick via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2019 2:48 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] Losing 30M

 

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the AM guys said the same thing about SSB in 1950. FT8 is more popular operating mode than PSK so we lose out because of simple numbers. Get over it, move your PSK operation somewhere else and get the CW guys mad like we did when we took over 7.040. I know this is not popular, but it is reality. I have been trying to operate PSK for the past couple of months with no contacts. Please move on.

 

John, N8GOU


On Aug 13, 2019, at 9:11 AM, Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...> wrote:

Yes, the “Gentlemen’s Agreements” were set up by the ARRL back when it saw Amateur Radio in a different light.

These agreements were a way for Amateurs to live in relative harmony on the bands and it worked well until the present when ARRL jumped on the FT8 bandwagon and started promoting FT modes as a means to work DX, grids, etc. 

 

This has caused a blatant disregard for other modes and has created a “CB mentality” that FT mode operators can operate anywhere they please. This was another ARRL created disaster in the vein of “incentive licensing”.

 

Today, ARRL is trying to do “damage control” because they are losing members at a faster pace than expected. Of the 620,000 U.S. hams only about 152,000 are ARRL members.  Some life members are even regretting the choice and have admitted it publicly.  Since I dropped ARRL membership about 2 years ago , I am bombarded monthly with “special offers” on membership like join today and received this ARRL book free or 3 months free membership !  These arrive 2-3 times a month in my email or vi snail mail.   My guess is that ARRL is in trouble. Add to this that many new hams don’t feel the need to join ARRL and it translates to declining membership.

 

Back to the present discussion …  There are several cases of violations of FCC Part 97 (available on line) which are violations, depending on interpretation.  One of the frequent ones I see regularly is the failure to ID when signing out of a QSO.  This also applies to PSK31.  Quite often I will be copying the mail and see a station simply end with “73” and no call sign – a violation. The rule is at beginning and end of transmission plus every 10 minutes in between.  No excuse, just sloppy, ignorant operators. Perhaps this will change with new FCC connected program, but seems doubtful.

 

So, not much can be done with the FT modes “violators”  except try to fill our portion of bands with activity and hope it chases many away from these “incursions”.  Setting up beacons might be a possible solution, BUT that would be just plain old illegal since automatic control of beacons below 10 meters is NOT allowed. (Just in case anyone had that thought.)

 

So, the only alternative left is to live with the FT modes until some legislation comes down from FCC…  that will probably be never.

 

Jerry  n9avy

 

 

 

 

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From: W5DP
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2019 8:38 AM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] Losing 30M

 

These gentlemen’s agreements were setup and promoted by the ARRL. Right? It seems to that’s the way it is. I have a chart from the ARRL where the different modes are acceptable in the different portions of the band.

 

Question is: How many ppl are members of the ARRL? Are they losing memberships? Maybe that is why there is so much disinterest in the gentlemen’s agreements for the different modes.

 

Not sure I’m right on this, someone can fact check me.

 

Dusty

W5DP

 

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Re: Losing 30M

Stephen Melachrinos
 

> As for Life Memberships,  that is a liability for ARRL.  Someone had “genius idea” on that and those who bought in when it was $125 for membership will probably live into 
> their 80’s or 90’s thus getting a “free ride”.   ARRL loses money.

 
Life memberships are a good thing if you view them like an endowment--invest the money and spend the income.

Life memberships are NOT a good thing if you spend all the money in the current year. Then you have a continuing liability that is unfunded.

From what I've heard, ARRL implemented it wrong.

Steve
W3HF

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