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Re: 30 M Now

stan W9SMR
 

Just worked N0IMJ in WI, EN62 from Sarasota, FL..EL87

Come on out and play,

73,
Stan
W9SMR
#1611

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From: 070Club@groups.io <070Club@groups.io> on behalf of Karl Heinz Kremer - K5KHK - PODXS 070 # 2645 <khk@khk.net>
Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2019 1:43 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] 30 M Now

Chris, it's a feature of Groups.IO - when you are on the Groups.IO web page, look to the left, you you will see "Chats" in a navigation bar. It's a quicker way to get in touch with people who are on the chats page vs. email. Even though with this 30m thread, there have been some very quick back and forth exchanges.

You can also get to the chat page via this link: https://groups.io/g/070Club/chat/2233


Re: new mode

Steve VA3FLF/KM4FLF
 

According to the document FT4 is an experimental digital mode designed specifically for radio contesting. At least for now anyway.

 

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From: Ray Clements
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 9:29 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] new mode

 

Just because a mode is used for contesting does not mean it cannot be used on the WARC bands. It just means that it cannot be used for contesting purposes on those bands.

 

CW and RTTY are certainly "contesting" modes, but they are permitted as long as they are not being used during a contest, JT4 would be similar.

 

Ray N9RWC

 

------ Original Message ------
Received: 08:14 PM CDT, 04/22/2019
From: "Steve R via Groups.Io" <oldjavadrinker@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] new mode

Attached is the link to the protocol paper for FT4. There is a schedule for beta testing with a final general release on July 15th.

Good catch on the WARC bands. If this new mode is for contesting, then there would be no need for WARC band capabilities. Wonder if Dr. Taylor is aware,,,,or cares. Someone mentioned FT8 signals all over the bands now. As I understand the concept for DX peditions using FT8, there is now a Fox and Hound mode for these events. The DX pedition is supposed to announce the freq. they will be operating for the event. Other than that, FT8 should be at the software location. Remember too, there is now a JS8 call mode which is a derivative of FT8. I am not sure of those frequencies but they are listed on his Reflector. 


I am not jumping in the middle of the FT8 / allocations war of words. I understand everyone's feelings but we all know it just boils down to venting about an issue that is out of our control. I have done all I can do by talking to ARRL reps and RAC.
Dont let them get you down fellows. Enjoy life.

FT4 Protocol

Steve
2301
VA3FLF/KM4FLF

 

 

 


Re: new mode

Jerry N9AVY
 

Why all this info on FT8 ???  PODXS is PSK31club !  Maybe we should change to an FT8 club ???

 

Jerry  N9AVY

 

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From: Steve R via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 8:14 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] new mode

 

Attached is the link to the protocol paper for FT4. There is a schedule for beta testing with a final general release on July 15th.

Good catch on the WARC bands. If this new mode is for contesting, then there would be no need for WARC band capabilities. Wonder if Dr. Taylor is aware,,,,or cares. Someone mentioned FT8 signals all over the bands now. As I understand the concept for DX peditions using FT8, there is now a Fox and Hound mode for these events. The DX pedition is supposed to announce the freq. they will be operating for the event. Other than that, FT8 should be at the software location. Remember too, there is now a JS8 call mode which is a derivative of FT8. I am not sure of those frequencies but they are listed on his Reflector. 


I am not jumping in the middle of the FT8 / allocations war of words. I understand everyone's feelings but we all know it just boils down to venting about an issue that is out of our control. I have done all I can do by talking to ARRL reps and RAC.
Dont let them get you down fellows. Enjoy life.

FT4 Protocol

Steve
2301
VA3FLF/KM4FLF

 


Re: new mode

Ray Clements
 

Just because a mode is used for contesting does not mean it cannot be used on the WARC bands. It just means that it cannot be used for contesting purposes on those bands.

CW and RTTY are certainly "contesting" modes, but they are permitted as long as they are not being used during a contest, JT4 would be similar.

Ray N9RWC


------ Original Message ------
Received: 08:14 PM CDT, 04/22/2019
From: "Steve R via Groups.Io" <oldjavadrinker@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] new mode


Attached is the link to the protocol paper for FT4. There is a schedule for beta testing with a final general release on July 15th.

Good catch on the WARC bands. If this new mode is for contesting, then there would be no need for WARC band capabilities. Wonder if Dr. Taylor is aware,,,,or cares. Someone mentioned FT8 signals all over the bands now. As I understand the concept for DX peditions using FT8, there is now a Fox and Hound mode for these events. The DX pedition is supposed to announce the freq. they will be operating for the event. Other than that, FT8 should be at the software location. Remember too, there is now a JS8 call mode which is a derivative of FT8. I am not sure of those frequencies but they are listed on his Reflector. 


I am not jumping in the middle of the FT8 / allocations war of words. I understand everyone's feelings but we all know it just boils down to venting about an issue that is out of our control. I have done all I can do by talking to ARRL reps and RAC.
Dont let them get you down fellows. Enjoy life.

FT4 Protocol

Steve
2301
VA3FLF/KM4FLF





Re: new mode

Steve VA3FLF/KM4FLF
 

Attached is the link to the protocol paper for FT4. There is a schedule for beta testing with a final general release on July 15th.

Good catch on the WARC bands. If this new mode is for contesting, then there would be no need for WARC band capabilities. Wonder if Dr. Taylor is aware,,,,or cares. Someone mentioned FT8 signals all over the bands now. As I understand the concept for DX peditions using FT8, there is now a Fox and Hound mode for these events. The DX pedition is supposed to announce the freq. they will be operating for the event. Other than that, FT8 should be at the software location. Remember too, there is now a JS8 call mode which is a derivative of FT8. I am not sure of those frequencies but they are listed on his Reflector. 


I am not jumping in the middle of the FT8 / allocations war of words. I understand everyone's feelings but we all know it just boils down to venting about an issue that is out of our control. I have done all I can do by talking to ARRL reps and RAC.
Dont let them get you down fellows. Enjoy life.

FT4 Protocol

Steve
2301
VA3FLF/KM4FLF



Re: new mode

Ray Clements
 

30 meters is a VERY narrow band, encompassing only 10.100 - 10.150 MHz.

According to the ARRL band plan, which is the only  plan of significance other than FCC regulations in the USA, allocates 10.130 - 10.140 as RTTY.   That tiny slice of spectrum has to be shared by all digital modes with the exception of Packet which is allocated 10.140 - 10.150.

Thus, any operations above 10.140 are encroaching upon the Packet allocation. 

Although 12 meters and 17 meters are also fairly narrow, they are twice as wide as 30 meters.


Ray N9RWC


------ Original Message ------
Received: 06:29 PM CDT, 04/22/2019
From: "Jerry N9AVY" <n9avy@...>
To: "070Club@groups.io" <070Club@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [070Club] new mode


Chris:

 

You’ll no doubt be ignored as others have been.  Sorry.

 

He’s only interested in creating new modes and disrupting band plan.

 

jerry

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: N9JCA Chris Matthews
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 6:10 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] new mode

 

I just wrote a note to Joe Taylor informing him that

10.140 is the freq that PSK uses on 30M

There was other stuff I said in my note

we'll have to wait and see what the outcome is

Chris N9JCA

73

10-10 # 75247

FISTS # 16408

LONP # 165

PODXS # 797

On 4/22/19 5:46 PM, Jerry N9AVY wrote:

By Gentlemen’s Agreement there is no contesting on WARC bands. 

 

Jerry  N9AVY

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: N9JCA Chris Matthews
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 5:30 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] new mode

 

10.140 is the PSK31 freq

Chris N9JCA  
73
10-10 # 75247
FISTS # 16408
LONP  # 165
PODXS # 797 

On 4/22/19 3:14 PM, Steve R via Groups.Io wrote:

Randy I found the FT4 protocol release notes. It is set as a primarily contest mode and the transmit cycle goes from 12.64 seconds to 4.48.

Currently the recommended frequencies are above FT8...3.595, 7.090, 10.140, 14.140, 18.104, 21.140 and 28.180.

 

I’ll post the link when I get to my main computer. I think we are still safe...for now.

 

Steve

2301

VA3FLF


On Apr 22, 2019, at 15:29, Randy True <w4rttrandy@...> wrote:

Just got a notice from the FT8 Facebook group that they will be unveiling a new mode ; FT4, at the end of the month. Basically a faster FT8 that is meant for contesters. Let's hope we don't get further encroached upon.

 

Randy W4RTT

 

 


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Re: new mode

Jerry N9AVY
 

Chris:

 

You’ll no doubt be ignored as others have been.  Sorry.

 

He’s only interested in creating new modes and disrupting band plan.

 

jerry

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: N9JCA Chris Matthews
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 6:10 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] new mode

 

I just wrote a note to Joe Taylor informing him that

10.140 is the freq that PSK uses on 30M

There was other stuff I said in my note

we'll have to wait and see what the outcome is

Chris N9JCA

73

10-10 # 75247

FISTS # 16408

LONP # 165

PODXS # 797

On 4/22/19 5:46 PM, Jerry N9AVY wrote:

By Gentlemen’s Agreement there is no contesting on WARC bands. 

 

Jerry  N9AVY

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: N9JCA Chris Matthews
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 5:30 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] new mode

 

10.140 is the PSK31 freq

Chris N9JCA  
73
10-10 # 75247
FISTS # 16408
LONP  # 165
PODXS # 797 

On 4/22/19 3:14 PM, Steve R via Groups.Io wrote:

Randy I found the FT4 protocol release notes. It is set as a primarily contest mode and the transmit cycle goes from 12.64 seconds to 4.48.

Currently the recommended frequencies are above FT8...3.595, 7.090, 10.140, 14.140, 18.104, 21.140 and 28.180.

 

I’ll post the link when I get to my main computer. I think we are still safe...for now.

 

Steve

2301

VA3FLF


On Apr 22, 2019, at 15:29, Randy True <w4rttrandy@...> wrote:

Just got a notice from the FT8 Facebook group that they will be unveiling a new mode ; FT4, at the end of the month. Basically a faster FT8 that is meant for contesters. Let's hope we don't get further encroached upon.

 

Randy W4RTT

 

 


Re: new mode

N9JCA Chris Matthews <n9jca.chris@...>
 

I just wrote a note to Joe Taylor informing him that

10.140 is the freq that PSK uses on 30M

There was other stuff I said in my note

we'll have to wait and see what the outcome is

Chris N9JCA

73

10-10 # 75247

FISTS # 16408

LONP # 165

PODXS # 797

On 4/22/19 5:46 PM, Jerry N9AVY wrote:

By Gentlemen’s Agreement there is no contesting on WARC bands. 

 

Jerry  N9AVY

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: N9JCA Chris Matthews
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 5:30 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] new mode

 

10.140 is the PSK31 freq

Chris N9JCA  
73
10-10 # 75247
FISTS # 16408
LONP  # 165
PODXS # 797 

On 4/22/19 3:14 PM, Steve R via Groups.Io wrote:

Randy I found the FT4 protocol release notes. It is set as a primarily contest mode and the transmit cycle goes from 12.64 seconds to 4.48.

Currently the recommended frequencies are above FT8...3.595, 7.090, 10.140, 14.140, 18.104, 21.140 and 28.180.

 

I’ll post the link when I get to my main computer. I think we are still safe...for now.

 

Steve

2301

VA3FLF


On Apr 22, 2019, at 15:29, Randy True <w4rttrandy@...> wrote:

Just got a notice from the FT8 Facebook group that they will be unveiling a new mode ; FT4, at the end of the month. Basically a faster FT8 that is meant for contesters. Let's hope we don't get further encroached upon.

 

Randy W4RTT

 


Re: new mode

Jerry N9AVY
 

By Gentlemen’s Agreement there is no contesting on WARC bands. 

 

Jerry  N9AVY

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: N9JCA Chris Matthews
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 5:30 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] new mode

 

10.140 is the PSK31 freq

Chris N9JCA  
73
10-10 # 75247
FISTS # 16408
LONP  # 165
PODXS # 797 

On 4/22/19 3:14 PM, Steve R via Groups.Io wrote:

Randy I found the FT4 protocol release notes. It is set as a primarily contest mode and the transmit cycle goes from 12.64 seconds to 4.48.

Currently the recommended frequencies are above FT8...3.595, 7.090, 10.140, 14.140, 18.104, 21.140 and 28.180.

 

I’ll post the link when I get to my main computer. I think we are still safe...for now.

 

Steve

2301

VA3FLF


On Apr 22, 2019, at 15:29, Randy True <w4rttrandy@...> wrote:

Just got a notice from the FT8 Facebook group that they will be unveiling a new mode ; FT4, at the end of the month. Basically a faster FT8 that is meant for contesters. Let's hope we don't get further encroached upon.

 

Randy W4RTT

 


Re: new mode

Jerry N9AVY
 

Just like a bunch of CBers with no regard for band plans. They’re running amok.

 

Jerry n9avy

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: N9JCA Chris Matthews
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 5:36 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] new mode

 

FT8 has gotten out of hand

NO Consideration for other Modes

Go where they want to

Point in question

NO matter where you go when a Band is open

there's FT8 operating way out of the alloted 2KHz

I have seen them operating 3 and 4 KHz out

7.074 to 7.076 is the alloted freq

but have seen them out as far 7.079

Chris N9JCA  
73
10-10 # 75247
FISTS # 16408
LONP  # 165
PODXS # 797 

On 4/22/19 4:48 PM, Paul NU4C wrote:

Yes 10.140 is PSK and both 17m & 30m are NO CONTEST bands

 

 

 

Sent from my Galaxy Tab® A

 

-------- Original message --------

From: Jim K5SP <jinnis@...>

Date: 4/22/19 17:36 (GMT-05:00)

Subject: Re: [070Club] new mode

 

Isn't 30m psk on 10.140?

Encroachment on 30 just like on 17!!!

On 4/22/2019 3:14 PM, Steve R via Groups.Io wrote:

Randy I found the FT4 protocol release notes. It is set as a primarily contest mode and the transmit cycle goes from 12.64 seconds to 4.48.

Currently the recommended frequencies are above FT8...3.595, 7.090, 10.140, 14.140, 18.104, 21.140 and 28.180.

 

I’ll post the link when I get to my main computer. I think we are still safe...for now.

 

Steve

2301

VA3FLF


On Apr 22, 2019, at 15:29, Randy True <w4rttrandy@...> wrote:

Just got a notice from the FT8 Facebook group that they will be unveiling a new mode ; FT4, at the end of the month. Basically a faster FT8 that is meant for contesters. Let's hope we don't get further encroached upon.

 

Randy W4RTT

 


Re: new mode

N9JCA Chris Matthews <n9jca.chris@...>
 

FT8 has gotten out of hand

NO Consideration for other Modes

Go where they want to

Point in question

NO matter where you go when a Band is open

there's FT8 operating way out of the alloted 2KHz

I have seen them operating 3 and 4 KHz out

7.074 to 7.076 is the alloted freq

but have seen them out as far 7.079

Chris N9JCA  
73
10-10 # 75247
FISTS # 16408
LONP  # 165
PODXS # 797 
On 4/22/19 4:48 PM, Paul NU4C wrote:

Yes 10.140 is PSK and both 17m & 30m are NO CONTEST bands



Sent from my Galaxy Tab® A

-------- Original message --------
From: Jim K5SP <jinnis@...>
Date: 4/22/19 17:36 (GMT-05:00)
Subject: Re: [070Club] new mode

Isn't 30m psk on 10.140?

Encroachment on 30 just like on 17!!!

On 4/22/2019 3:14 PM, Steve R via Groups.Io wrote:
Randy I found the FT4 protocol release notes. It is set as a primarily contest mode and the transmit cycle goes from 12.64 seconds to 4.48.
Currently the recommended frequencies are above FT8...3.595, 7.090, 10.140, 14.140, 18.104, 21.140 and 28.180.

I’ll post the link when I get to my main computer. I think we are still safe...for now.

Steve
2301
VA3FLF


On Apr 22, 2019, at 15:29, Randy True <w4rttrandy@...> wrote:

Just got a notice from the FT8 Facebook group that they will be unveiling a new mode ; FT4, at the end of the month. Basically a faster FT8 that is meant for contesters. Let's hope we don't get further encroached upon.

Randy W4RTT


Re: new mode

N9JCA Chris Matthews <n9jca.chris@...>
 

10.140 is the PSK31 freq

Chris N9JCA  
73
10-10 # 75247
FISTS # 16408
LONP  # 165
PODXS # 797 
On 4/22/19 3:14 PM, Steve R via Groups.Io wrote:

Randy I found the FT4 protocol release notes. It is set as a primarily contest mode and the transmit cycle goes from 12.64 seconds to 4.48.
Currently the recommended frequencies are above FT8...3.595, 7.090, 10.140, 14.140, 18.104, 21.140 and 28.180.

I’ll post the link when I get to my main computer. I think we are still safe...for now.

Steve
2301
VA3FLF


On Apr 22, 2019, at 15:29, Randy True <w4rttrandy@...> wrote:

Just got a notice from the FT8 Facebook group that they will be unveiling a new mode ; FT4, at the end of the month. Basically a faster FT8 that is meant for contesters. Let's hope we don't get further encroached upon.

Randy W4RTT


Re: new mode

Paul NU4C <nu4c@...>
 

Yes 10.140 is PSK and both 17m & 30m are NO CONTEST bands



Sent from my Galaxy Tab® A

-------- Original message --------
From: Jim K5SP <jinnis@...>
Date: 4/22/19 17:36 (GMT-05:00)
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] new mode

Isn't 30m psk on 10.140?

Encroachment on 30 just like on 17!!!

On 4/22/2019 3:14 PM, Steve R via Groups.Io wrote:
Randy I found the FT4 protocol release notes. It is set as a primarily contest mode and the transmit cycle goes from 12.64 seconds to 4.48.
Currently the recommended frequencies are above FT8...3.595, 7.090, 10.140, 14.140, 18.104, 21.140 and 28.180.

I’ll post the link when I get to my main computer. I think we are still safe...for now.

Steve
2301
VA3FLF


On Apr 22, 2019, at 15:29, Randy True <w4rttrandy@...> wrote:

Just got a notice from the FT8 Facebook group that they will be unveiling a new mode ; FT4, at the end of the month. Basically a faster FT8 that is meant for contesters. Let's hope we don't get further encroached upon.

Randy W4RTT


Re: new mode

Jim K5SP
 

Isn't 30m psk on 10.140?

Encroachment on 30 just like on 17!!!

On 4/22/2019 3:14 PM, Steve R via Groups.Io wrote:
Randy I found the FT4 protocol release notes. It is set as a primarily contest mode and the transmit cycle goes from 12.64 seconds to 4.48.
Currently the recommended frequencies are above FT8...3.595, 7.090, 10.140, 14.140, 18.104, 21.140 and 28.180.

I’ll post the link when I get to my main computer. I think we are still safe...for now.

Steve
2301
VA3FLF


On Apr 22, 2019, at 15:29, Randy True <w4rttrandy@...> wrote:

Just got a notice from the FT8 Facebook group that they will be unveiling a new mode ; FT4, at the end of the month. Basically a faster FT8 that is meant for contesters. Let's hope we don't get further encroached upon.

Randy W4RTT


--
Jim,  K5SP #483
Member Services Director


Re: new mode

Steve VA3FLF/KM4FLF
 

Randy I found the FT4 protocol release notes. It is set as a primarily contest mode and the transmit cycle goes from 12.64 seconds to 4.48.
Currently the recommended frequencies are above FT8...3.595, 7.090, 10.140, 14.140, 18.104, 21.140 and 28.180.

I’ll post the link when I get to my main computer. I think we are still safe...for now.

Steve
2301
VA3FLF


On Apr 22, 2019, at 15:29, Randy True <w4rttrandy@...> wrote:

Just got a notice from the FT8 Facebook group that they will be unveiling a new mode ; FT4, at the end of the month. Basically a faster FT8 that is meant for contesters. Let's hope we don't get further encroached upon.

Randy W4RTT


new mode

Randy True
 

Just got a notice from the FT8 Facebook group that they will be unveiling a new mode ; FT4, at the end of the month. Basically a faster FT8 that is meant for contesters. Let's hope we don't get further encroached upon.

Randy W4RTT


A blast from the past !

Jerry N9AVY
 

Just when one thinks everything has been heard on PSK31, something different shows up.

 

A station in CO was testing with the old shortwave utility message , “ this is a test transmission for circuit adjustment purposes from a station in Colorado…”  .  Gosh , haven’t heard that since my shortwave listener days in 60’s/70’s !  A blast from the past !

 

Messages like that were usually sent by shortwave utility stations around the world and were pre-recorded.  Think the last one I heard like that was in Aruba. 

 

Jerry  N9AVY

 

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Re: EL39 Again

Jerry N9AVY
 

Need EL39  so Will be looking for you … let me know ETA

 

Thanks…

 

 

Jerry  N9AVY

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Richard Rohrer
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2019 10:42 AM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: [070Club] EL39 Again

 

Will be in this grid later today.

 

Dick - KC3EF

 


EL39 Again

Richard Rohrer
 

Will be in this grid later today.

Dick - KC3EF


Re: 30 Meters

FRANK CHARPIAT
 
Edited

CQing on 30 now1410 udt  Frank N4KP

not seeing one trace.  lots of ft8

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