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KC3EF Tomorrows Grids

Richard Rohrer
 

We will be heading up the OR coast tomorrow.  Grids covered are:  CN92, CN93, CN83, CN84, & CN85.  Will be starting out in CN92 first thing in the morning.  Will announce were we are when I hit a new grid.  Will be around 14.072 as usual. 

73
Dick - KC3EF


Re: 2m & 70cm Repeater question...

Brian (N2MLP)
 

This is getting funny to read

 

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         de N2MLP Brian

       Monroe County PA

 

 

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From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Paul Milward
Sent: Monday, October 8, 2018 3:18 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] 2m & 70cm Repeater question...

 

Many repeaters require the correct CTCSS/tone on the repeater input frequency. If repeater does NOT hear the correct tone your transmission is rejected. 

Some repeaters also have a CTCSS/tone on the repeater output frequency. This can help avoid interference in a location where your radio might receive co-channel repeaters.

Your radio will receive the signal only if the correct tone is enabled on your radio.

The normal convention is to ENCODE the CTCSS/tone on your output/transmit frequency and to DECODE the CTCSS/tone on your input/receive frequency

73 

Paul NU4C 

 

 

Sent from my Galaxy Tab® A

 

-------- Original message --------

From: K8TOM <tsingle@...>

Date: 10/8/18 13:29 (GMT-05:00)

To: 070Club@groups.io

Subject: Re: [070Club] 2m & 70cm Repeater question...

 

I know that I have to use DTMF to control our repeater functions for net operations, such as cross-band link and so forth.  I would guess that is unrelated to the CTCSS, DCS family but is also referred to as a "tone".  Since my Icom 706Mkiig radio does not have DTMF capability, I had to find an "app" for that.  I hold the mike up to the speaker and press the "buttons" on the screen to make it happen.   That is a test of my co-ordination, HI.

Tom
K8TOM


Re: 2m & 70cm Repeater question...

Paul Milward <nu4c@...>
 

Many repeaters require the correct CTCSS/tone on the repeater input frequency. If repeater does NOT hear the correct tone your transmission is rejected. 
Some repeaters also have a CTCSS/tone on the repeater output frequency. This can help avoid interference in a location where your radio might receive co-channel repeaters.
Your radio will receive the signal only if the correct tone is enabled on your radio.
The normal convention is to ENCODE the CTCSS/tone on your output/transmit frequency and to DECODE the CTCSS/tone on your input/receive frequency
73 
Paul NU4C 


Sent from my Galaxy Tab® A

-------- Original message --------
From: K8TOM <tsingle@...>
Date: 10/8/18 13:29 (GMT-05:00)
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] 2m & 70cm Repeater question...

I know that I have to use DTMF to control our repeater functions for net operations, such as cross-band link and so forth.  I would guess that is unrelated to the CTCSS, DCS family but is also referred to as a "tone".  Since my Icom 706Mkiig radio does not have DTMF capability, I had to find an "app" for that.  I hold the mike up to the speaker and press the "buttons" on the screen to make it happen.   That is a test of my co-ordination, HI.

Tom
K8TOM


Re: 2m & 70cm Repeater question...

K8TOM
 

I know that I have to use DTMF to control our repeater functions for net operations, such as cross-band link and so forth.  I would guess that is unrelated to the CTCSS, DCS family but is also referred to as a "tone".  Since my Icom 706Mkiig radio does not have DTMF capability, I had to find an "app" for that.  I hold the mike up to the speaker and press the "buttons" on the screen to make it happen.   That is a test of my co-ordination, HI.

Tom
K8TOM


Re: 2m & 70cm Repeater question...

Jerry N9AVY
 

Tone burst is pretty much a thing of the past like 2m AM.  Think tone burst was used in early days on VHF/UHF because much of equipment available was discontinued commercial stuff which manufacturers sold rather than scrapping it.  Those units probably had tone burst because they were put into service before PL was invented.  After that the next generation was surplus Motorola equipment which operated on P25 and such.  

 

BTW, here in Chicago area, Motorola equipment was heavily in to ham radio use because many hams worked for Motorola at one time or another. That pretty much went by the wayside after Motorola started selling off various divisions over the years and yesterday I read where Motorola is tearing down their Schaumburg campus.

 

Early history of ham radio is interesting when you can find it.  When the likes of Yaesu, Kenwood and Icom (formerly Inoue) came on the scene things changes rapidly going from crystal controlled radios to synthesized radios with all kinds of “bells & whistles”.  It’s nice to know how we started out compared to what we have today.   As the old ad said many years ago, “You’ve come a long way baby !”.

 

 

Jerry  n9avy

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Matthew King - AK4MK
Sent: Monday, October 8, 2018 10:59 AM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] 2m & 70cm Repeater question...

 

Thanks, Jerry, for reminding me of the tone burst.

 

I didn't think about it since it's primarily a European thing these days.  I guess there's some US repeaters using it, but none around here.

 

73

 

Matt King

AK4MK - 070 #1708

PODXS 070 Club Executive Director

 

On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 11:57 AM Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...> wrote:

PL or Private Line is copyright by Motorola just as GE uses Channel Guard. It’s al same thing : CTCSS or Continuous Tone Coded Squelch System.

 

The “tone’ on radios as opposed to CTCSS is actually a tone burst used to unlock a repeater. Although on some radios I’ve heard that CTCSS and Tone may be reversed.

 

Jerry  n9avy

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Matthew King - AK4MK
Sent: Monday, October 8, 2018 10:35 AM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] 2m & 70cm Repeater question...

 

Hey, Bryon - there is no difference. CTCSS is the technical name for it. 

 

"PL Tone" was Motorola's trademark for "Private Line Tone", but it's all the same.

 

Carry on, sir! :-)

 

73

 

Matt King

AK4MK - 070 #1708

PODXS 070 Club Executive Director

 

 

On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 11:22 AM W7RIV <nnegrom@...> wrote:

I know this is slightly off topic, but there are a lot of knowledgeable people here. I was curious what the difference was in "Tone" and "CTCSS" when programming a handietalkie. There are local repeaters here in Salt Lake City, and I think people use them interchangeably. The Frequency coordinator calls out at CTCSS, but I think I've programmed my radio when it shows the "Tone"...I cannot remember if I've programmed it when it shows "CT"

 

Thanks,

Bryon, W7RIV

 

 


Re: 2m & 70cm Repeater question...

W7RIV
 

Thanks everyone for the input. It is something I would like to use more of just so I can mess around with the radio even when I'm not at home! I'm also registering my Jeep with a local Emergency Recovery Team and they have a new repeater, part of this has to deal with helping others understand it more as well. =)

Thanks again,
Bryon, W7RIV

On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 9:59 AM Matthew King - AK4MK <kk4cps@...> wrote:
Thanks, Jerry, for reminding me of the tone burst.

I didn't think about it since it's primarily a European thing these days.  I guess there's some US repeaters using it, but none around here.

73

Matt King
AK4MK - 070 #1708
PODXS 070 Club Executive Director

On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 11:57 AM Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...> wrote:

PL or Private Line is copyright by Motorola just as GE uses Channel Guard. It’s al same thing : CTCSS or Continuous Tone Coded Squelch System.

 

The “tone’ on radios as opposed to CTCSS is actually a tone burst used to unlock a repeater. Although on some radios I’ve heard that CTCSS and Tone may be reversed.

 

Jerry  n9avy

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Matthew King - AK4MK
Sent: Monday, October 8, 2018 10:35 AM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] 2m & 70cm Repeater question...

 

Hey, Bryon - there is no difference. CTCSS is the technical name for it. 

 

"PL Tone" was Motorola's trademark for "Private Line Tone", but it's all the same.

 

Carry on, sir! :-)

 

73

 

Matt King

AK4MK - 070 #1708

PODXS 070 Club Executive Director

 

 

On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 11:22 AM W7RIV <nnegrom@...> wrote:

I know this is slightly off topic, but there are a lot of knowledgeable people here. I was curious what the difference was in "Tone" and "CTCSS" when programming a handietalkie. There are local repeaters here in Salt Lake City, and I think people use them interchangeably. The Frequency coordinator calls out at CTCSS, but I think I've programmed my radio when it shows the "Tone"...I cannot remember if I've programmed it when it shows "CT"

 

Thanks,

Bryon, W7RIV

 


Re: 2m & 70cm Repeater question...

Matthew King - AK4MK
 

Thanks, Jerry, for reminding me of the tone burst.

I didn't think about it since it's primarily a European thing these days.  I guess there's some US repeaters using it, but none around here.

73

Matt King
AK4MK - 070 #1708
PODXS 070 Club Executive Director


On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 11:57 AM Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...> wrote:

PL or Private Line is copyright by Motorola just as GE uses Channel Guard. It’s al same thing : CTCSS or Continuous Tone Coded Squelch System.

 

The “tone’ on radios as opposed to CTCSS is actually a tone burst used to unlock a repeater. Although on some radios I’ve heard that CTCSS and Tone may be reversed.

 

Jerry  n9avy

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Matthew King - AK4MK
Sent: Monday, October 8, 2018 10:35 AM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] 2m & 70cm Repeater question...

 

Hey, Bryon - there is no difference. CTCSS is the technical name for it. 

 

"PL Tone" was Motorola's trademark for "Private Line Tone", but it's all the same.

 

Carry on, sir! :-)

 

73

 

Matt King

AK4MK - 070 #1708

PODXS 070 Club Executive Director

 

 

On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 11:22 AM W7RIV <nnegrom@...> wrote:

I know this is slightly off topic, but there are a lot of knowledgeable people here. I was curious what the difference was in "Tone" and "CTCSS" when programming a handietalkie. There are local repeaters here in Salt Lake City, and I think people use them interchangeably. The Frequency coordinator calls out at CTCSS, but I think I've programmed my radio when it shows the "Tone"...I cannot remember if I've programmed it when it shows "CT"

 

Thanks,

Bryon, W7RIV

 


Re: 2m & 70cm Repeater question...

Jerry N9AVY
 

PL or Private Line is copyright by Motorola just as GE uses Channel Guard. It’s al same thing : CTCSS or Continuous Tone Coded Squelch System.

 

The “tone’ on radios as opposed to CTCSS is actually a tone burst used to unlock a repeater. Although on some radios I’ve heard that CTCSS and Tone may be reversed.

 

Jerry  n9avy

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Matthew King - AK4MK
Sent: Monday, October 8, 2018 10:35 AM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] 2m & 70cm Repeater question...

 

Hey, Bryon - there is no difference. CTCSS is the technical name for it. 

 

"PL Tone" was Motorola's trademark for "Private Line Tone", but it's all the same.

 

Carry on, sir! :-)

 

73

 

Matt King

AK4MK - 070 #1708

PODXS 070 Club Executive Director

 

 

On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 11:22 AM W7RIV <nnegrom@...> wrote:

I know this is slightly off topic, but there are a lot of knowledgeable people here. I was curious what the difference was in "Tone" and "CTCSS" when programming a handietalkie. There are local repeaters here in Salt Lake City, and I think people use them interchangeably. The Frequency coordinator calls out at CTCSS, but I think I've programmed my radio when it shows the "Tone"...I cannot remember if I've programmed it when it shows "CT"

 

Thanks,

Bryon, W7RIV

 


Re: 2m & 70cm Repeater question...

Matthew King - AK4MK
 

This is what I see about your radio:

- 42 CTCSS frequencies 

- 104 DCS (Digital Code Squelch) codes 
- Cross-tone   

The first two are pretty well what Paul said. The 3rd one is probably where it's capable of transmitting one tone but listening for a different tone on the same channel.

Hope that helps!

73

Matt King
AK4MK - 070 #1708
PODXS 070 Club Executive Director


On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 11:43 AM W7RIV <nnegrom@...> wrote:
Thanks. Any idea why my radio has Tone and CTCSS options? It is a Kenwood TH-D72a. 

On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 9:35 AM Matthew King - AK4MK <kk4cps@...> wrote:
Hey, Bryon - there is no difference. CTCSS is the technical name for it. 

"PL Tone" was Motorola's trademark for "Private Line Tone", but it's all the same.

Carry on, sir! :-)

73

Matt King
AK4MK - 070 #1708
PODXS 070 Club Executive Director


On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 11:22 AM W7RIV <nnegrom@...> wrote:
I know this is slightly off topic, but there are a lot of knowledgeable people here. I was curious what the difference was in "Tone" and "CTCSS" when programming a handietalkie. There are local repeaters here in Salt Lake City, and I think people use them interchangeably. The Frequency coordinator calls out at CTCSS, but I think I've programmed my radio when it shows the "Tone"...I cannot remember if I've programmed it when it shows "CT"

Thanks,
Bryon, W7RIV


Re: 2m & 70cm Repeater question...

Paul Butzi (W7PFB)
 

There are two common systems of coding to control squelch: CTCSS “Continuous Tone Coded Squelch System” (also called PL by some manufacturers) and DCS “Digital Coded Squelch”.  On a fair number of VHF/UHF radios, there’s a button labeled ‘tone’ which cycles the transmitter through CTCSS, DCS, and nothing.

To say that the terminology surrounding all of this is opaque and confusing would be a massive understatement.

The wikipedia articles for CTCSS and DCS actually do a decent job of shedding some light on all this mess.

-p W7PFB
73, Don’t forget to smile and have fun!

On Oct 8, 2018, at 8:43 AM, W7RIV <nnegrom@...> wrote:

Thanks. Any idea why my radio has Tone and CTCSS options? It is a Kenwood TH-D72a. 

On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 9:35 AM Matthew King - AK4MK <kk4cps@...> wrote:
Hey, Bryon - there is no difference. CTCSS is the technical name for it. 

"PL Tone" was Motorola's trademark for "Private Line Tone", but it's all the same.

Carry on, sir! :-)

73

Matt King
AK4MK - 070 #1708
PODXS 070 Club Executive Director


On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 11:22 AM W7RIV <nnegrom@...> wrote:
I know this is slightly off topic, but there are a lot of knowledgeable people here. I was curious what the difference was in "Tone" and "CTCSS" when programming a handietalkie. There are local repeaters here in Salt Lake City, and I think people use them interchangeably. The Frequency coordinator calls out at CTCSS, but I think I've programmed my radio when it shows the "Tone"...I cannot remember if I've programmed it when it shows "CT"

Thanks,
Bryon, W7RIV




Re: 2m & 70cm Repeater question...

W7RIV
 

Thanks. Any idea why my radio has Tone and CTCSS options? It is a Kenwood TH-D72a. 


On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 9:35 AM Matthew King - AK4MK <kk4cps@...> wrote:
Hey, Bryon - there is no difference. CTCSS is the technical name for it. 

"PL Tone" was Motorola's trademark for "Private Line Tone", but it's all the same.

Carry on, sir! :-)

73

Matt King
AK4MK - 070 #1708
PODXS 070 Club Executive Director


On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 11:22 AM W7RIV <nnegrom@...> wrote:
I know this is slightly off topic, but there are a lot of knowledgeable people here. I was curious what the difference was in "Tone" and "CTCSS" when programming a handietalkie. There are local repeaters here in Salt Lake City, and I think people use them interchangeably. The Frequency coordinator calls out at CTCSS, but I think I've programmed my radio when it shows the "Tone"...I cannot remember if I've programmed it when it shows "CT"

Thanks,
Bryon, W7RIV


Re: 2m & 70cm Repeater question...

Matthew King - AK4MK
 

Hey, Bryon - there is no difference. CTCSS is the technical name for it. 

"PL Tone" was Motorola's trademark for "Private Line Tone", but it's all the same.

Carry on, sir! :-)

73

Matt King
AK4MK - 070 #1708
PODXS 070 Club Executive Director


On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 11:22 AM W7RIV <nnegrom@...> wrote:
I know this is slightly off topic, but there are a lot of knowledgeable people here. I was curious what the difference was in "Tone" and "CTCSS" when programming a handietalkie. There are local repeaters here in Salt Lake City, and I think people use them interchangeably. The Frequency coordinator calls out at CTCSS, but I think I've programmed my radio when it shows the "Tone"...I cannot remember if I've programmed it when it shows "CT"

Thanks,
Bryon, W7RIV


2m & 70cm Repeater question...

W7RIV
 

I know this is slightly off topic, but there are a lot of knowledgeable people here. I was curious what the difference was in "Tone" and "CTCSS" when programming a handietalkie. There are local repeaters here in Salt Lake City, and I think people use them interchangeably. The Frequency coordinator calls out at CTCSS, but I think I've programmed my radio when it shows the "Tone"...I cannot remember if I've programmed it when it shows "CT"

Thanks,
Bryon, W7RIV


Re: N6F QRV

Paula K7PAX #1739
 

Ken, I just saw a brief trace of you up here in Western Washington, but you quickly disappeared. Will keep an eye out to see if I can catch you!

 

Paula K7PAX #1739

 

From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Kenneth W. Campbell
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2018 13:20
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: [070Club] N6F QRV

 

Hi all,
I'm QRV on 14.070 at this time, until 1500 PST. Special Event Station N6F from Southern California for National Fire Prevention Week. Would LOVE to work some of you!

73 de Ken
N6PCD


Re: N6F QRV

Paul Milward <nu4c@...>
 

Searched 070 to 072.5 for 40 minutes sadly no trace here in FL



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-------- Original message --------
From: "Kenneth W. Campbell" <n6pcd@...>
Date: 10/7/18 16:20 (GMT-05:00)
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: [070Club] N6F QRV

Hi all,
I'm QRV on 14.070 at this time, until 1500 PST. Special Event Station N6F from Southern California for National Fire Prevention Week. Would LOVE to work some of you!

73 de Ken
N6PCD


N6F QRV

Kenneth W. Campbell <n6pcd@...>
 

Hi all,
I'm QRV on 14.070 at this time, until 1500 PST. Special Event Station N6F from Southern California for National Fire Prevention Week. Would LOVE to work some of you!

73 de Ken
N6PCD


20m open to Europe!

Rick - N7WE
 

Nice opening to Europe on 20m from here in central Florida.  Hungary, Austria, Germany, England, Spain, Italy, European Russia.  Best I've seen in quite some time.

Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602


Welcome

Jim K5SP
 

Please join me in welcoming our new PODXS070 member(s).

2655 Thomas DH5MM

Jim, K5SP #483
Membership Director


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Jim,  K5SP #483
Member Services Director


Re: KC3EF 10/05/18 Report

VA7GEM -1470 <boat.anchor@...>
 

Dick
TVM to you and the honorable pilot that endures our idiosyncracies.
I really appreciate you acknowledging or almost QSO.
Enjoy the rest as I know a lot of eager folks await your next venture on the road.
Depending where on the coast you park there might be some demand for contacts.
These would have to be with a Starbucks in the very early AM so as not to be noticed.
Thanks for the effort you both make
Barry


KC3EF 10/05/18 Report

Richard Rohrer
 

The radio gods certainly were not very favorable to my efforts.  Several traces would be there then just disappear.  Did have a couple of QSOs that lasted until we both signed, but some just disappeared.  From DN10 worked AF5BG, N7WE, KB5FOG, N6PCD, WA2TWA, and K9HW From DN11 worked N4GBK, N2SG, N7WE, VA7GEM, KZ9V, and N9JME.  From DN01 only worked KE0JBT.  From DN02 worked N4GBK, N7WE, and AJ4VA.  

Tried really hard to work W3HF and VA7GEM, but the propagation did not seem to favor them.  We are staying in Klamath Falls, OR for the next week.  If we are going to any interesting grids while here, I will post on this site.  

Thanks to all how worked me on the trip out West.

73
Dick - KC3EF

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