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Re: Interesting Comment

Matthew King - AK4MK <kk4cps@...>
 

Thanks for all the positive reinforcement, folks! 

We'll definitely keep going the way we are just as long as we possibly can.

73

Matt King
AK4MK - 070 #1708
PODXS 070 Club Executive Director


On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 10:00 AM, Bill Maier <ciric50@...> wrote:
I'm a relatively new member of the club, and I've been very impressed with it so far. The members have been very friendly and helpful. The club has plenty of activities for the members, the web site is kept up to date, and in general it appears to be well run. I'm not sure what more members could ask for. It has been a pleasure and an honor to be part of this group. Keep up the good work!

-Bill  KG5RMJ



Re: QRT for a while

Richard Rohrer
 

As I stated in my original reply to Paula, I had plenty of antennas in the attic which seemed to work ok.  We wanted to live on the water because we raced a sailboat, so that was the compromise.  When we moved the HOA in our next house said you could not have a horse and keep you property looking nice.  Had antennas all over the 1 1/2 acres.  Our current QTH the only restriction (county) is that amateur radio tower can not be over 80ft high and have to be in the back yard. So I have experienced both ends of the spectrum.  When we lived in an apartment in NC I loaded the gutters and used then as a loop antenna.  Worked ok.  So don't give up Paula, there is a solution that will get you back on the air. 

73
Dick - KC3EF


Re: Interesting Comment

Bill Maier
 

I'm a relatively new member of the club, and I've been very impressed with it so far. The members have been very friendly and helpful. The club has plenty of activities for the members, the web site is kept up to date, and in general it appears to be well run. I'm not sure what more members could ask for. It has been a pleasure and an honor to be part of this group. Keep up the good work!

-Bill  KG5RMJ


Firecracker Sprint Contest

Rick - N7WE
 

It's not over yet, but my 6 hour block is done.  When the contest window opened we had heavy t-storms and lightning here.  I stayed hunkered down.  When they subsided, hooked the antenna back up and jumped on.  Lots of traces on the waterfall (including some DX!), but I had decided to go <5w again.  Felt lucky to complete 14 Qs in 3 hours...then I called it a night.  Was pleased that 4 of the 14 were over 1000 miles!  Thanks to all who hung in and helped me along.

Rick - N7WE

070 - #1602


Another opinion---QRT for a while

 

There's another view to this whole situation:
First of all, I agree with Steve, and it's been held up as valid in more than 1 court of law.
Here's another view, "from the other side of the fence:"...

Let's say I'm a property owner. I rent that property to you, or sell it to you.
There's an HOA, and you have signed documents joining that HOA, and have agreed to abide by the rules, by-laws, CC&R or whatever they choose to call it.

Regardless of the Federal Communications Commission, and whatever rules and statutes, they choose to write, you signed a legal contract with me to
follow the rules of the HOA, CC&R's and whatever I've written into the contract. Your antenna is a breach of that contract. 

What I'm pointing out is the years and years and cost of challenging the CC&R's. The FCC is going to suggest that you and the owner of the CC&R document work it out, and report back in 180 days. It goes on and on until they are tired of fighting it, or you are.

The ARRL has a legal department with attorney's on the staff. They're supposed to assist you with your "situation".

Good luck and if there's anything that any of us can do to help, you know that we will.

Milt.
N6MG
070-650
LONP #76


-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Melachrinos <melachri@...>
To: 070Club <070Club@groups.io>
Sent: Sat, Jul 7, 2018 6:30 pm
Subject: Re: [070Club] QRT for a while

Paula -

Well that is patently in violation of FCC rules. The OTARD rule (Over The Air Reception Devices) adopted in 1996 "prohibits restrictions that impair the installation, maintenance or use of antennas used to receive video programming.  The rule applies to video antennas including direct-to-home satellite dishes that are less than one meter (39.37") in diameter (or of any size in Alaska), TV antennas, and wireless cable antennas.  The rule prohibits most restrictions that: (1) unreasonably delay or prevent installation, maintenance or use; (2) unreasonably increase the cost of installation, maintenance or use; or (3) preclude reception of an acceptable quality signal." (emphasis added)


Steve
W3HF


-----Original Message-----
From: Paula K7PAX #1739 <hamette@...>
To: 070Club <070Club@groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Jul 8, 2018 1:11 am
Subject: Re: [070Club] QRT for a while

The CC&R for my new home states: “No exterior TV or any other antennas, except a satellite dish less than 24 inches in diameter, are allowed.”
 
Paula K7PAX #1739
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Ray Clements <r.clements@...>
To: 070Club <070Club@groups.io>; Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...>
Sent: Sat, Jul 7, 2018 10:10 pm
Subject: Re: [070Club] QRT for a while
I don't know about Paula's specific situation, but normally rather than banning ham radio antennas, the HOA will allow receiving antennas. That would include FM radio receiving antennas, satellite tv dishes. and TV antennas. However, they may regulate the diameter of a dish, or the height of the TV  or FM antenna above the roof line, or the type of mounting. My HOA prohibits chimney mounts. The HOA will then ban any and all transmitting antennas. That includes ham radio antennas, CB antennas, GMRS antennas, VHF public service antennas, etc. Thus, by banning all transmitting antennas, they are not discriminating against hams.
 
Ray N9RWC
 
 


Re: QRT for a while

Stephen Melachrinos
 

Paula -

Well that is patently in violation of FCC rules. The OTARD rule (Over The Air Reception Devices) adopted in 1996 "prohibits restrictions that impair the installation, maintenance or use of antennas used to receive video programming.  The rule applies to video antennas including direct-to-home satellite dishes that are less than one meter (39.37") in diameter (or of any size in Alaska), TV antennas, and wireless cable antennas.  The rule prohibits most restrictions that: (1) unreasonably delay or prevent installation, maintenance or use; (2) unreasonably increase the cost of installation, maintenance or use; or (3) preclude reception of an acceptable quality signal." (emphasis added)

https://www.fcc.gov/media/over-air-reception-devices-rule

Steve
W3HF


-----Original Message-----
From: Paula K7PAX #1739 <hamette@...>
To: 070Club <070Club@groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Jul 8, 2018 1:11 am
Subject: Re: [070Club] QRT for a while

The CC&R for my new home states: “No exterior TV or any other antennas, except a satellite dish less than 24 inches in diameter, are allowed.”
 
Paula K7PAX #1739
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Ray Clements <r.clements@...>
To: 070Club <070Club@groups.io>; Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...>
Sent: Sat, Jul 7, 2018 10:10 pm
Subject: Re: [070Club] QRT for a while
I don't know about Paula's specific situation, but normally rather than banning ham radio antennas, the HOA will allow receiving antennas. That would include FM radio receiving antennas, satellite tv dishes. and TV antennas. However, they may regulate the diameter of a dish, or the height of the TV  or FM antenna above the roof line, or the type of mounting. My HOA prohibits chimney mounts. The HOA will then ban any and all transmitting antennas. That includes ham radio antennas, CB antennas, GMRS antennas, VHF public service antennas, etc. Thus, by banning all transmitting antennas, they are not discriminating against hams.
 
Ray N9RWC
 
 


Re: Old story about HOA

Brian (N2MLP)
 

Came out of cell phone industry

Really doubt that would happen after the paperwork and permits to put it up (and forget all the money too)

 

 

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         de N2MLP Brian

       Monroe County PA

 

 

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From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Jerry N9AVY
Sent: Saturday, July 7, 2018 9:03 PM
To: 070Club
Subject: [070Club] Old story about HOA

 

Don't know if this was a rumor, but I liked the story - true or not.

 

Seems there was an HOA which had a  "no towers rule".    Turned out there was a cell tower nearby which they complained about.  Their complaints were acted upon and unsightly cell tower was removed.  The HOA's next complaint was they had no cell phone reception ....    

 

Jerry   n9avy


Re: QRT for a while

Paula K7PAX #1739
 

The CC&R for my new home states: “No exterior TV or any other antennas, except a satellite dish less than 24 inches in diameter, are allowed.”

 

Paula K7PAX #1739

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Ray Clements <r.clements@...>
To: 070Club <070Club@groups.io>; Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...>
Sent: Sat, Jul 7, 2018 10:10 pm
Subject: Re: [070Club] QRT for a while

I don't know about Paula's specific situation, but normally rather than banning ham radio antennas, the HOA will allow receiving antennas. That would include FM radio receiving antennas, satellite tv dishes. and TV antennas. However, they may regulate the diameter of a dish, or the height of the TV  or FM antenna above the roof line, or the type of mounting. My HOA prohibits chimney mounts. The HOA will then ban any and all transmitting antennas. That includes ham radio antennas, CB antennas, GMRS antennas, VHF public service antennas, etc. Thus, by banning all transmitting antennas, they are not discriminating against hams.

 

Ray N9RWC

 

 


Old story about HOA

Jerry N9AVY
 

Don't know if this was a rumor, but I liked the story - true or not.

Seems there was an HOA which had a  "no towers rule".    Turned out there was a cell tower nearby which they complained about.  Their complaints were acted upon and unsightly cell tower was removed.  The HOA's next complaint was they had no cell phone reception ....    

Jerry   n9avy


Re: QRT for a while

Ray Clements
 

Well at least in my HOA, the rules says that transmitting antennas have to be "screened from view from all streets". Thus,  garage door openers, key fobs, and other transmitting antennas that are hidden are not affected.  Of course, antennas are also allowed in your attic, bushes, etc.


------ Original Message ------
Received: 07:51 PM CDT, 07/07/2018
From: "Jerry N9AVY" <n9avy@...>
To: "070Club@groups.io" <070Club@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [070Club] QRT for a while


    

Ha   ha  hah 


From: Stephen Melachrinos <melachri@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Sent: Saturday, July 7, 2018 7:33 PM
Subject: Re: [070Club] QRT for a while 
It would be interesting to challenge the "no transmitting antennas", pointing out that just about everyone has a keyless entry for their car, a cordless telephone, a cell phone, other bluetooth devices (like Apple Earpods and ever their cars), computers/tablets/printers/routers with wifi, and a microwave oven, each of which has a transmitting antenna.

Steve
W3HF

-----Original Message-----
From: Ray Clements <r.clements@...>
To: 070Club <070Club@groups.io>; Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...>
Sent: Sat, Jul 7, 2018 10:10 pm
Subject: Re: [070Club] QRT for a while

I don't know about Paula's specific situation, but normally rather than banning ham radio antennas, the HOA will allow receiving antennas. That would include FM radio receiving antennas, satellite tv dishes. and TV antennas. However, they may regulate the diameter of a dish, or the height of the TV  or FM antenna above the roof line, or the type of mounting. My HOA prohibits chimney mounts. The HOA will then ban any and all transmitting antennas. That includes ham radio antennas, CB antennas, GMRS antennas, VHF public service antennas, etc. Thus, by banning all transmitting antennas, they are not discriminating against hams.

Ray N9RWC







Re: QRT for a while

Jerry N9AVY
 

    

Ha   ha  hah 


From: Stephen Melachrinos <melachri@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Sent: Saturday, July 7, 2018 7:33 PM
Subject: Re: [070Club] QRT for a while 
It would be interesting to challenge the "no transmitting antennas", pointing out that just about everyone has a keyless entry for their car, a cordless telephone, a cell phone, other bluetooth devices (like Apple Earpods and ever their cars), computers/tablets/printers/routers with wifi, and a microwave oven, each of which has a transmitting antenna.

Steve
W3HF

-----Original Message-----
From: Ray Clements <r.clements@...>
To: 070Club <070Club@groups.io>; Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...>
Sent: Sat, Jul 7, 2018 10:10 pm
Subject: Re: [070Club] QRT for a while

I don't know about Paula's specific situation, but normally rather than banning ham radio antennas, the HOA will allow receiving antennas. That would include FM radio receiving antennas, satellite tv dishes. and TV antennas. However, they may regulate the diameter of a dish, or the height of the TV  or FM antenna above the roof line, or the type of mounting. My HOA prohibits chimney mounts. The HOA will then ban any and all transmitting antennas. That includes ham radio antennas, CB antennas, GMRS antennas, VHF public service antennas, etc. Thus, by banning all transmitting antennas, they are not discriminating against hams.

Ray N9RWC





Re: QRT for a while

Stephen Melachrinos
 

It would be interesting to challenge the "no transmitting antennas", pointing out that just about everyone has a keyless entry for their car, a cordless telephone, a cell phone, other bluetooth devices (like Apple Earpods and ever their cars), computers/tablets/printers/routers with wifi, and a microwave oven, each of which has a transmitting antenna.

Steve
W3HF

-----Original Message-----
From: Ray Clements <r.clements@...>
To: 070Club <070Club@groups.io>; Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...>
Sent: Sat, Jul 7, 2018 10:10 pm
Subject: Re: [070Club] QRT for a while

I don't know about Paula's specific situation, but normally rather than banning ham radio antennas, the HOA will allow receiving antennas. That would include FM radio receiving antennas, satellite tv dishes. and TV antennas. However, they may regulate the diameter of a dish, or the height of the TV  or FM antenna above the roof line, or the type of mounting. My HOA prohibits chimney mounts. The HOA will then ban any and all transmitting antennas. That includes ham radio antennas, CB antennas, GMRS antennas, VHF public service antennas, etc. Thus, by banning all transmitting antennas, they are not discriminating against hams.

Ray N9RWC



Re: QRT for a while

VA7GEM -1470 <boat.anchor@...>
 

On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 07:01 am, Paula K7PAX #1739 wrote:

Well Guys and Gals, I am out of it for a while. Live has been a whirlwind of activity. I retired, we bought a house in the next town and we moved (kinda – we are still moving!)

 

Paula K7PAX #1739

 

Paula
We sure will miss you. Enjoy the new abode. Been watching 40M PSK for 4hrs and still hoping to see a trace.
Barry

 


Re: QRT for a while

Ray Clements
 

I don't know about Paula's specific situation, but normally rather than banning ham radio antennas, the HOA will allow receiving antennas. That would include FM radio receiving antennas, satellite tv dishes. and TV antennas. However, they may regulate the diameter of a dish, or the height of the TV  or FM antenna above the roof line, or the type of mounting. My HOA prohibits chimney mounts. The HOA will then ban any and all transmitting antennas. That includes ham radio antennas, CB antennas, GMRS antennas, VHF public service antennas, etc. Thus, by banning all transmitting antennas, they are not discriminating against hams.

Ray N9RWC




------ Original Message ------
Received: 04:55 PM CDT, 07/07/2018
From: "Jerry N9AVY" <n9avy@...>
To: "070Club@groups.io" <070Club@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [070Club] QRT for a while


If that HOA specifically singled out ham radio antenna, then you have a discrimination lawsuit .  They can't single out any single group.  It would be the same as saying no minority groups allowed.  At least that's the way I had it explained by a ham who is also a lawyer.  Not fond of HOA's as I live on the screaming edge of one and I can thumb my nose at them !

Jerry  n9avy 



From: Richard Rohrer <kc3ef@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Sent: Saturday, July 7, 2018 4:28 PM
Subject: Re: [070Club] QRT for a while

Hi Paula,

I know what you are going thru. Lived in a HOA community that specifically prohibited ham radio transmitting antennas.  I put a wire loop in the attic and fed it with my AH-4 auto antenna tuner.  Worked pretty well on 20 and up.  Also had a 2 mtr dipole for SSB and FM.  Added a 432 quad to work thru the local ATV repeater.  All seemed to go thru the roof shingles ok.  What surprised me, was that I had no RFI problems with anything in the house or never had any complaints from the neighbors.  

73
Dick - KC3EF





Re: QRT for a while

Jerry N9AVY
 

If that HOA specifically singled out ham radio antenna, then you have a discrimination lawsuit .  They can't single out any single group.  It would be the same as saying no minority groups allowed.  At least that's the way I had it explained by a ham who is also a lawyer.  Not fond of HOA's as I live on the screaming edge of one and I can thumb my nose at them !

Jerry  n9avy 



From: Richard Rohrer <kc3ef@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Sent: Saturday, July 7, 2018 4:28 PM
Subject: Re: [070Club] QRT for a while

Hi Paula,

I know what you are going thru. Lived in a HOA community that specifically prohibited ham radio transmitting antennas.  I put a wire loop in the attic and fed it with my AH-4 auto antenna tuner.  Worked pretty well on 20 and up.  Also had a 2 mtr dipole for SSB and FM.  Added a 432 quad to work thru the local ATV repeater.  All seemed to go thru the roof shingles ok.  What surprised me, was that I had no RFI problems with anything in the house or never had any complaints from the neighbors.  

73
Dick - KC3EF



Re: QRT for a while

Richard Rohrer
 

Hi Paula,

I know what you are going thru. Lived in a HOA community that specifically prohibited ham radio transmitting antennas.  I put a wire loop in the attic and fed it with my AH-4 auto antenna tuner.  Worked pretty well on 20 and up.  Also had a 2 mtr dipole for SSB and FM.  Added a 432 quad to work thru the local ATV repeater.  All seemed to go thru the roof shingles ok.  What surprised me, was that I had no RFI problems with anything in the house or never had any complaints from the neighbors.  

73
Dick - KC3EF


Re: Interesting Comment

JEFF WALSH
 

Remember there are always gonna be the complainers ......

Those are the ones that
 "Win the lottery and then complain about having to pay the taxes" 

The management team and volunteers have my vote of confidence.

Many thanks for all you do to make this a GREAT club. !!!!!!

JEFF WALSH
W3WMU
#1673
BUBBAWOOD
WORLDWIDE HEADQUARTERS
STURGIS, MS.


On Saturday, July 7, 2018 12:30 PM, Daryl_KI7GXV <darylhinz@...> wrote:


For the record I would like to say this club is awesome and it's the most significant factor in creating and sustaining my interest in PSK. I have absolutely no complaints with the club or its treasure trove of volunteers & members.  I just wish conditions & my station were better so I could actually work more PSK. Being a dad in a family with lots of other competing activities, ham radio often takes a back seat.  Perhaps in my retirement I will have more time to get to know you all better and play a more active role in the club. But for now and until then, many many thanks.



Re: Interesting Comment

Daryl
 

For the record I would like to say this club is awesome and it's the most significant factor in creating and sustaining my interest in PSK. I have absolutely no complaints with the club or its treasure trove of volunteers & members.  I just wish conditions & my station were better so I could actually work more PSK. Being a dad in a family with lots of other competing activities, ham radio often takes a back seat.  Perhaps in my retirement I will have more time to get to know you all better and play a more active role in the club. But for now and until then, many many thanks.


Re: Interesting Comment

Phil Royce
 

Just way too much to read but I have read about 10 comments,. I enjoy playing psk with you all, and my comment is there are a lot of keyboard jockies and not many doers, the leadership has always done well with me since I started on pod last year and I have no complaints.  Keep up the good work and ignore the lids and keyboard heros.  73


On Fri, Jul 6, 2018, 1:19 PM Richard Rohrer <kc3ef@...> wrote:
I found this comment posted on another group.  

"The new regime at the 070 Club lost sight of the 070 Club traditions several years ago. A lot of the OT’s quit or went SK. The ‘we know better’ newbies killed the premiere PSK club and it has not recovered. "

I did not know the 070 group was dead and who killed it?

73
Dick - KC3EF


Re: Interesting Comment

Randy True
 

Must have been a real ass kicker just before I joined a couple years ago.


Randy W4RTT




From: 070Club@groups.io <070Club@groups.io> on behalf of Richard Rohrer <kc3ef@...>
Sent: Friday, July 6, 2018 1:19 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: [070Club] Interesting Comment
 
I found this comment posted on another group.  

"The new regime at the 070 Club lost sight of the 070 Club traditions several years ago. A lot of the OT’s quit or went SK. The ‘we know better’ newbies killed the premiere PSK club and it has not recovered. "

I did not know the 070 group was dead and who killed it?

73
Dick - KC3EF

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