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Re: Go Figure ?

Mike Besemer - WM4B #348 <mwbesemer@...>
 

Sherri,

When are you getting on and what band?  I know we've worked before but I haven't seen you for quite a while. 

I'm usually on at 0000(ish) UTC.  I'll start on 20 meters and if it's dead I'll move to 40.  We're probably a bit close for 20 meters; I'll have to check my log to see where we worked before.

Occasionally, I'll jump on for a few minutes around 2000 UTC or somewhere in between, but that's spotty at best.

Don't feel bad.  There was a period not too long ago when it seem like all the propagation was one-way.  Seems to go in cycles and it must be your turn in the barrel!

73,

Mike
WM4B


On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 1:28 PM, Sherri Rapp wrote:

 I have been having a heck of a time getting responses to CQ on PSK31. Other stations just aren't hearing me. FT8 is usually better, but I don't have the same *quantity* results that some others do on that mode, but I'm satisfied with the contacts I've made so far. 

Sherri WB4OSU

On Mon, May 14, 2018, 8:05 AM John Kirby < n3aaz_qrp_1@...> wrote:
... PSK 31 ...

Band Conditions ?
...  or ...
Old hat ?

Seems like low sun spots only wipe out psk freqs
... while ...
same band CW es FT8 freqs work the world at 15W

Go figure
070/1337/0349


Re: Go Figure ?

Sherri Rapp
 

I have been having a heck of a time getting responses to CQ on PSK31. Other stations just aren't hearing me. FT8 is usually better, but I don't have the same *quantity* results that some others do on that mode, but I'm satisfied with the contacts I've made so far. 

Sherri WB4OSU

On Mon, May 14, 2018, 8:05 AM John Kirby <n3aaz_qrp_1@...> wrote:
... PSK 31 ...

Band Conditions ?
...  or ...
Old hat ?

Seems like low sun spots only wipe out psk freqs
... while ...
same band CW es FT8 freqs work the world at 15W

Go figure
070/1337/0349
N3AAZ


Re: Go Figure ?

Brian (N2MLP)
 

Great point

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         de N2MLP Brian
       Monroe County PA



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-----Original Message-----
From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Wolf
Leverich
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2018 1:19 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] Go Figure ?


On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 05:05:18AM -0700, John Kirby wrote:

... PSK 31 ...

Band Conditions ?
...  or ...
Old hat ?

Seems like low sun spots only wipe out psk freqs
... while ...
same band CW es FT8 freqs work the world at 15W

Go figure
070/1337/0349
N3AAZ


It's possible that there's something subtle going on with CW and FT8.

Whether or not a QSO is possible is a function of the characteristics of the
stations at *both* ends of the ether.

*You* may be using 15W and even a wire antenna, but the *other* guy may be
using a kilowatt or more and stacked yagis on a 240' tower.

I usually run 100W on CW and FT8 and have passable transmit and receive
antennas at a semi-rural QTH. I am prolly about to start routinely running
about 400-500W on FT8, because my average signal report is about 6db down
from
how I can hear other stations with my station.

Part of the reason why we can't talk on PSK may be that we have a pretty
strong anti-QRO ethic, so I don't know how many big-gun stations even try to
play.

OTOH, given the technical characteristics of PSK, we may not be able to
tolerate a mixed QRP and QRO environment like CW and FT8 do ...

<shrug>

73 de WA6I (Wolf)


Re: Go Figure ?

Brian Wolf Leverich
 

On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 05:05:18AM -0700, John Kirby wrote:

... PSK 31 ...

Band Conditions ?
...  or ...
Old hat ?

Seems like low sun spots only wipe out psk freqs
... while ...
same band CW es FT8 freqs work the world at 15W

Go figure
070/1337/0349
N3AAZ


It's possible that there's something subtle going on with CW and FT8.

Whether or not a QSO is possible is a function of the characteristics of the
stations at *both* ends of the ether.

*You* may be using 15W and even a wire antenna, but the *other* guy may be
using a kilowatt or more and stacked yagis on a 240' tower.

I usually run 100W on CW and FT8 and have passable transmit and receive
antennas at a semi-rural QTH. I am prolly about to start routinely running
about 400-500W on FT8, because my average signal report is about 6db down from
how I can hear other stations with my station.

Part of the reason why we can't talk on PSK may be that we have a pretty
strong anti-QRO ethic, so I don't know how many big-gun stations even try to
play.

OTOH, given the technical characteristics of PSK, we may not be able to
tolerate a mixed QRP and QRO environment like CW and FT8 do ...

<shrug>

73 de WA6I (Wolf)


Re: Go Figure ?

John Etling
 

You can near work FT8 nearly anytime of the day on 30m. Lately PSK has been a struggle on any band and rather than sit and wait until maybe I can decode someone I fall back to FT8 where contacts, on most bands and near 24x7, are plentiful. I rarely see a limited amount of opportunities on FT8. This on a 44’ vertical.

 

I’m Just Sayin’

73 de K3JAE

 

John

 

 

 

 

From: 070Club@groups.io <070Club@groups.io> On Behalf Of Ray Clements
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2018 08:23
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] Go Figure ?

 

PSK31 is good down to -10 dB S/N ratio. FT8 is good down to -23dB or so. Since the dB scale is logarithmic rather than linear, the difference is huge.

I love working PSK when the bands permit. When I turn on my radio, I check out all the PSK frequencies from 80m  up to 10m. However, if I do not see signals that I can work using  PSK, I will start up WSJT-X and try FT8. I have WSJT-X linked to HRD using JTAlert so I can still log my FT8 contacts in the same database as my other digital contacts.

I rarely see DX signals on PSK with current band conditions; but DX signals are fairly common on FT8 because of the huge difference in capability of that mode during difficult conditions. I have not picked up additional DXCC entities, but I have worked quite a few ones I have worked on PSK when times were good.

I am using a 40 meter OCF wire strung at only 21 ft height. It tunes 40m, 20m, 10m, and 6m fairly well. With a tuner, I have made contacts on 12m, 15m and 17m as well when propagation is good. However, since experimenting with FT8, I have made 40 contacts on 30m, even though my antenna is very inefficient on that band and propagation has been poor. The efficiency of FT8 overcomes the inefficincy of my antenna.


So if you can make contacts on PSK, by all means do so. I would love to see yuou on the waterfall. But when PSK is just not there, FT8 will keep you on the air.

Ray N9RWC


To: 070club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] Go Figure ?

FT8 is much more robust as a weak signal mode.

 

That being said, I'm happy to struggle along with PSK31 and have actual human-to-human interaction!  ;>)

 

73,

 

Mike

WM4B



On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 8:05 AM, John Kirby wrote:

 

 ... PSK 31 ...

 

Band Conditions ?

...  or ...

Old hat ?

 

Seems like low sun spots only wipe out psk freqs

... while ...

same band CW es FT8 freqs work the world at 15W

 

Go figure

070/1337/0349

 

 


Re: Go Figure ?

Ray Clements
 

PSK31 is good down to -10 dB S/N ratio. FT8 is good down to -23dB or so. Since the dB scale is logarithmic rather than linear, the difference is huge.

I love working PSK when the bands permit. When I turn on my radio, I check out all the PSK frequencies from 80m  up to 10m. However, if I do not see signals that I can work using  PSK, I will start up WSJT-X and try FT8. I have WSJT-X linked to HRD using JTAlert so I can still log my FT8 contacts in the same database as my other digital contacts.

I rarely see DX signals on PSK with current band conditions; but DX signals are fairly common on FT8 because of the huge difference in capability of that mode during difficult conditions. I have not picked up additional DXCC entities, but I have worked quite a few ones I have worked on PSK when times were good.

I am using a 40 meter OCF wire strung at only 21 ft height. It tunes 40m, 20m, 10m, and 6m fairly well. With a tuner, I have made contacts on 12m, 15m and 17m as well when propagation is good. However, since experimenting with FT8, I have made 40 contacts on 30m, even though my antenna is very inefficient on that band and propagation has been poor. The efficiency of FT8 overcomes the inefficincy of my antenna.

So if you can make contacts on PSK, by all means do so. I would love to see yuou on the waterfall. But when PSK is just not there, FT8 will keep you on the air.

Ray N9RWC


To: 070club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] Go Figure ?


FT8 is much more robust as a weak signal mode.

That being said, I'm happy to struggle along with PSK31 and have actual human-to-human interaction!  ;>)

73,

Mike
WM4B


On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 8:05 AM, John Kirby wrote:

 ... PSK 31 ...

Band Conditions ?
...  or ...
Old hat ?

Seems like low sun spots only wipe out psk freqs
... while ...
same band CW es FT8 freqs work the world at 15W

Go figure
070/1337/0349



Re: Go Figure ?

Randy True
 

Yep, I play PSK till I nod off, then fire up FT8. There's always something there.


Randy W4RTT




From: 070Club@groups.io <070Club@groups.io> on behalf of Mike Besemer - WM4B #348 <mwbesemer@...>
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2018 8:13 AM
To: 070club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] Go Figure ?
 
FT8 is much more robust as a weak signal mode.

That being said, I'm happy to struggle along with PSK31 and have actual human-to-human interaction!  ;>)

73,

Mike
WM4B


On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 8:05 AM, John Kirby wrote:

 ... PSK 31 ...

Band Conditions ?
...  or ...
Old hat ?

Seems like low sun spots only wipe out psk freqs
... while ...
same band CW es FT8 freqs work the world at 15W

Go figure
070/1337/0349


Re: Go Figure ?

Mike Besemer - WM4B #348 <mwbesemer@...>
 

FT8 is much more robust as a weak signal mode.

That being said, I'm happy to struggle along with PSK31 and have actual human-to-human interaction!  ;>)

73,

Mike
WM4B


On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 8:05 AM, John Kirby wrote:

 ... PSK 31 ...

Band Conditions ?
...  or ...
Old hat ?

Seems like low sun spots only wipe out psk freqs
... while ...
same band CW es FT8 freqs work the world at 15W

Go figure
070/1337/0349


Go Figure ?

John Kirby
 

... PSK 31 ...

Band Conditions ?
...  or ...
Old hat ?

Seems like low sun spots only wipe out psk freqs
... while ...
same band CW es FT8 freqs work the world at 15W

Go figure
070/1337/0349
N3AAZ


Re: FINAL LIST OF TDW BONUS STATIONS FOR 2018

VE3LTN - Mike Joyce - #1763
 

Due to antenna restrictions at this time I will only be on 40/20/15/10 - based on conditions ---  however when I am going on the air I will post to "group.io" which band and of course if I change bands as well as when I go off air
like the rest - macros built, extra chair cushion in place, YL given the credit card to go shopping, and a sacrifice ready for the condition gods.... 

Mike - VE3LTN (CEC) 

On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 9:49 PM, VA7GEM -1470 via Groups.Io <boat.anchor@...> wrote:
Jeff
I am hoping to get you on at least three bands. 
Will be trying 80, 40, & 20.
160 is marginal here and I don't think 15 will be active enuf to spend time there.
regards
Barry

On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 05:24 pm, JEFF WALSH wrote:
 
 
And a good time will be had by all
 
JEFF WALSH
W3WMU
#1673
BUBBAWOOD
WORLDWIDE HEADQUARTERS
STURGIS, MS.
 




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Re: FINAL LIST OF TDW BONUS STATIONS FOR 2018

VA7GEM -1470 <boat.anchor@...>
 

Jeff
I am hoping to get you on at least three bands. 
Will be trying 80, 40, & 20.
160 is marginal here and I don't think 15 will be active enuf to spend time there.
regards
Barry


On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 05:24 pm, JEFF WALSH wrote:
 
 
And a good time will be had by all
 
JEFF WALSH
W3WMU
#1673
BUBBAWOOD
WORLDWIDE HEADQUARTERS
STURGIS, MS.
 


Re: FINAL LIST OF TDW BONUS STATIONS FOR 2018

JEFF WALSH
 

And a good time will be had by all
 
JEFF WALSH
W3WMU
#1673
BUBBAWOOD
WORLDWIDE HEADQUARTERS
STURGIS, MS.


On Sunday, May 13, 2018 7:15 PM, VA7GEM -1470 via Groups.Io <boat.anchor@...> wrote:


OK so all ready to go. Macros are built - chair is warm - beer is cold
Barry - 1470



Re: FINAL LIST OF TDW BONUS STATIONS FOR 2018

VA7GEM -1470 <boat.anchor@...>
 

OK so all ready to go. Macros are built - chair is warm - beer is cold
Barry - 1470


Re: Need contact

Larry Rockne #404
 

Tnx Jerry, good to know.

I re-did my op-levels according ro a YouTube video....didn't know he was using a newer and fancier rig than I. Anyway, ended up with a black waterfall, and the TXmitter woould not transmit.

Had to redo everything, so hope its just prop. or will have to try again.

Larry WA7HDZ

On Fri, May 11, 2018 at 6:08 PM, Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...> wrote:
Witnessed W3MEL: working you, but you were very weak here in Illinois. Looked like we'd not get a contact.
 
Jerry  N9AVY



From: Larry Rockne #404 <pops4355@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2018 8:04 PM
Subject: Re: [070Club] Need contact

Thanks to Mel, W3MEL, for being my May 12th contact & my final one for the month of May!

Larry WA7HDZ #404
LONP #137



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Re: Need contact

Jerry N9AVY
 

Witnessed W3MEL: working you, but you were very weak here in Illinois. Looked like we'd not get a contact.
 
Jerry  N9AVY



From: Larry Rockne #404 <pops4355@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2018 8:04 PM
Subject: Re: [070Club] Need contact

Thanks to Mel, W3MEL, for being my May 12th contact & my final one for the month of May!

Larry WA7HDZ #404
LONP #137



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Re: FT-1000MP

Jerry N9AVY
 

The way I read it , it looked like if I changed N9AVY  to N9AVB he could work me for another "A".   I guess English isn't my native language, eh ?
 
 
Jerry  n9avy



From: Stephen Melachrinos <melachri@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2018 7:13 PM
Subject: Re: [070Club] FT-1000MP

That's the way I read it. It was a bit confusing at first, but Dan was right.

Steve
W3HF


-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Besemer - WM4B #348 <mwbesemer@...>
To: 070club <070club@groups.io>
Sent: Fri, May 11, 2018 12:42 pm
Subject: Re: [070Club] FT-1000MP

Yes... but if Jerry changed the last letter of is call, we could work him again as an 'A'.

Mike
WM4B


On Fri, May 11, 2018 at 12:35 PM, Jim K5SP wrote:

 Jerry he did say to change the last letter of your call so he could get you again for WTW. 


DAN was right on this one.


JIM K5SP 








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-------- Original message --------
From: Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...>
Date: 5/11/18  11:30 AM  (GMT-06:00)
Subject: Re: [070Club] FT-1000MP


Dan:
 
That's right.
 
However there was nothing in Paul's post that I saw which referenced using last letter of suffix.  He wanted me to change last letter of suffix so he could work me again as a different call sign. 
 
Not about to change my call sign and when I die , I will haunt whoever takes it !  *:)) laughing

Jerry  n9avy

___________________________________

From: Dan Morris <dbmorris315@...>
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2018 11:23 AM
Subject: Re: [070Club] FT-1000MP

Hmmm, I was told we cannot use the ‘Last letter of a call sign?’  We can only use the first letter of the suffix —   I’m now confused and that don’t take much.  Figured I’d better say that before Jerry does!! LOL

Dan Morris  KZ3T  070-1065








On May 11, 2018, at 10:12 AM, Paul Butzi (W7PFB) < w7pfb@...> wrote:

I will kick in $.10 for the fund.

I will kick in $1 for the fund if Jerry changes his callsign by changing the last letter of the callsign to something else, so that I can get another round of QSO's with him that will count toward WTW.  I'm in desperate need of "A"s and "N".  I think I still need ~270 A's.

I think Jerry was the first callsign to appear in the 'completed' section of my WTW page!

-p
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Re: Need contact

Larry Rockne #404
 

Thanks to Mel, W3MEL, for being my May 12th contact & my final one for the month of May!

Larry WA7HDZ #404
LONP #137


Re: FT-1000MP

Stephen Melachrinos
 

That's the way I read it. It was a bit confusing at first, but Dan was right.

Steve
W3HF


-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Besemer - WM4B #348 <mwbesemer@...>
To: 070club <070club@groups.io>
Sent: Fri, May 11, 2018 12:42 pm
Subject: Re: [070Club] FT-1000MP

Yes... but if Jerry changed the last letter of is call, we could work him again as an 'A'.

Mike
WM4B


On Fri, May 11, 2018 at 12:35 PM, Jim K5SP wrote:

 Jerry he did say to change the last letter of your call so he could get you again for WTW. 


DAN was right on this one.


JIM K5SP 








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-------- Original message --------
From: Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...>
Date: 5/11/18  11:30 AM  (GMT-06:00)
Subject: Re: [070Club] FT-1000MP


Dan:
 
That's right.
 
However there was nothing in Paul's post that I saw which referenced using last letter of suffix.  He wanted me to change last letter of suffix so he could work me again as a different call sign. 
 
Not about to change my call sign and when I die , I will haunt whoever takes it !  *:)) laughing

Jerry  n9avy

___________________________________

From: Dan Morris <dbmorris315@...>
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2018 11:23 AM
Subject: Re: [070Club] FT-1000MP

Hmmm, I was told we cannot use the ‘Last letter of a call sign?’  We can only use the first letter of the suffix —   I’m now confused and that don’t take much.  Figured I’d better say that before Jerry does!! LOL

Dan Morris  KZ3T  070-1065








On May 11, 2018, at 10:12 AM, Paul Butzi (W7PFB) < w7pfb@...> wrote:

I will kick in $.10 for the fund.

I will kick in $1 for the fund if Jerry changes his callsign by changing the last letter of the callsign to something else, so that I can get another round of QSO's with him that will count toward WTW.  I'm in desperate need of "A"s and "N".  I think I still need ~270 A's.

I think Jerry was the first callsign to appear in the 'completed' section of my WTW page!

-p
73, Don't forget to smile and have fun!




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Jim,  K5SP #483


Re: Need contact

Larry Rockne #404
 


Hello Mike, Jim & all,

Knew I would forget something. I will be on 20 meters.

Hopefully, I have my op levels reset properly, I reset them according to a YouTube video,
turns out the other guy had a newer and fancier rig than  did. His procedure left my screen
in the dark.

​Larry #404
LONP #137​



Re: FT-1000MP

Paul Butzi (W7PFB)
 

Can you still work me with K9ATI  ???  If so,  when you see me just ask and I'll change over.

Jerry   N9AVY/K9ATI

Yes, I can work you as K9ATI so I’ll be watching for you!  Tnx!




-p W7PFB
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