Hi All

I am on 14.070 at this time watching the FT8 calls with my WSJT-X program and they are all DX Stations clear across the waterfall, Do the have a different band plan for ft8 than we have here in the States?

I just thought after reading the Emails on FT8 on PSK frequency I would check it out this morning sense I am off work today 

N9WVM, John

070 #1073

What do you think RTTY is or most PSK contacts ?  Pretty much macros and mouse clicks using computers.

 

 

 

Martin

KG7HAX

 

------ Original Message ------

From: "Bob Adams" <wa2aar.pa@...>

To: 070Club@groups.io

Sent: 3/28/2018 6:04:07 AM

Subject: Re: [070Club] Can we all get a grip?

 

Milt you don't know what the hell you are talking about. First you don't have to yell. 

Type like a normal person. I guess you have not be listening to the frequencies

if you had you would not type what you did.   This FT8 is a joke computer to computer

with no amature involement. Who thinks this stuff up. We that us PSK don't go into

the area where FT8 is and they shouldn't come over to the frequencies that PSK use.

Don't come back with a contest for SSB, CW, RTTY and the amount of the band they

use they are not involved in this.

Bob - wa2aar

 

On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 8:37 AM, Sherri Rapp <srapp7@...> wrote:

This is not "fake news". This is a real problem that LOTS of us are experiencing. Please don't dismiss concerns in that manner. Of course we'll survive — if we find a way to operate TOGETHER moving forward while adhering to the good practices already in place. 

Sherri, WB4OSU, #2601

On Wed, Mar 28, 2018, 8:05 AM Milton Garb <n6mg@...> wrote:

Let's get a grip on our selves. NOBODY is going to jamb anyone else's signal. Who dreams this stuff up?

FT-8 is not a precursor to the end of the amateur radio world as we know & enjoy it.

"Back in the day"...CW operators had AM operators join them in using their frequencies...Everybody survived.

"Back in the day"...AM operators had SSB operators join them in using their frequencies... Everybody survived.

"Back in the day"...SSB  operators had RTTY come in & placed itself into the CW, AM, SSB & slow scan...Everybody survived.

Then here we come with our pip-squeak little narrow, low power wobbling signals...and "we" placed it in the portion of the band previously used by CW, AM, SSB, & RTTY...Everybody survived. Let's deal with facts, not made up fake news.

It's an annoyance, and 1 more time; it's not the end of the world thru the eyes of Amateur Radio, the ARRL, or any 070 Club member.

Milt -

N6MG

070-650

LONP #76

Trustee for W6QP

 

 

 

From: 070Club@groups.io <070Club@groups.io> On Behalf Of Jerry N9AVY
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 1:52 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Cc: Sr WA5LOU Lou Everett <wa5lou@...>
Subject: Re: [070Club] FT-8 on 14070--071

 

Think this FT-8 problem will only get worse as time goes by.  Perrhaps it may end with the termination of the ARRL Grids Program, but if they think up something different for 2019, the lousy FT-8 operators will have total disregard for other modes/operators... starting to look like another citizens band with FT-8 operators thinking they can go to any part of band they want.

 

This is a major problem and it will undoubtedly descend in retaliatory jamming of FT-8 signals, IMHO.  This is a sad state of affairs when FT-8 operators are operating in what has been PSK31 territory for last several years. It was bad enough when FT-8 used 18.100 as a major operating frequency which is now virtually useless for PSK31. There have been several other modes displaced due to FT-8 operators.

 

 

Jerry  N9AVY

This is not "fake news". This is a real problem that LOTS of us are experiencing. Please don't dismiss concerns in that manner. Of course we'll survive — if we find a way to operate TOGETHER moving forward while adhering to the good practices already in place. 

Sherri, WB4OSU, #2601

On Wed, Mar 28, 2018, 8:05 AM Milton Garb <n6mg@...> wrote:

Let's get a grip on our selves. NOBODY is going to jamb anyone else's signal. Who dreams this stuff up?

FT-8 is not a precursor to the end of the amateur radio world as we know & enjoy it.

"Back in the day"...CW operators had AM operators join them in using their frequencies...Everybody survived.

"Back in the day"...AM operators had SSB operators join them in using their frequencies... Everybody survived.

"Back in the day"...SSB  operators had RTTY come in & placed itself into the CW, AM, SSB & slow scan...Everybody survived.

Then here we come with our pip-squeak little narrow, low power wobbling signals...and "we" placed it in the portion of the band previously used by CW, AM, SSB, & RTTY...Everybody survived. Let's deal with facts, not made up fake news.

It's an annoyance, and 1 more time; it's not the end of the world thru the eyes of Amateur Radio, the ARRL, or any 070 Club member.

Milt -

N6MG

070-650

LONP #76

Trustee for W6QP

 

 

 

From: 070Club@groups.io <070Club@groups.io> On Behalf Of Jerry N9AVY
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 1:52 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Cc: Sr WA5LOU Lou Everett <wa5lou@...>
Subject: Re: [070Club] FT-8 on 14070--071

 

Think this FT-8 problem will only get worse as time goes by.  Perrhaps it may end with the termination of the ARRL Grids Program, but if they think up something different for 2019, the lousy FT-8 operators will have total disregard for other modes/operators... starting to look like another citizens band with FT-8 operators thinking they can go to any part of band they want.

 

This is a major problem and it will undoubtedly descend in retaliatory jamming of FT-8 signals, IMHO.  This is a sad state of affairs when FT-8 operators are operating in what has been PSK31 territory for last several years. It was bad enough when FT-8 used 18.100 as a major operating frequency which is now virtually useless for PSK31. There have been several other modes displaced due to FT-8 operators.

 

 

Jerry  N9AVY

Good Morning All,

I received a response from David and Gary of Ham Radio Now Show. David said he has reached out to Joe Taylor several times about being on the show but they have not been able to work out a date. David said he would make this issue a priority on the show and continue to try and get Joe Taylor on the show. 

David also said he was unaware of the issues with FT8 and thanked me for the information.  Hope he can get a show going on the subject.

Steve

2301

On Mar 28, 2018, at 07:18, Charles Odom, KI4VMK <ki4vmk@...> wrote:

Flood ARRL with emails also. They are the ones that let this get out of control. 
--
Charles, KI4VMK 
#2542 

I sent an email to him. Was as diplomatic as I could possibly be. We'll  see what happens.

Sherri RAPP,  WB4OSU,  2601

On Tue, Mar 27, 2018, 9:56 PM Mike Besemer - WM4B #348 <mwbesemer@...> wrote:

k1jt@... per QRZ.  Probably other means of contacting him at the WSJT page.

 

Mike

WM4B

 

From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Bob Adams
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 9:38 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] FT8

 

Yes but this a dam contest that the ARRL started. And I think they should stop it.

It is time for the PSK station to sent the ARRL E-mail about what is going on.

Last night I was on 14.070 and there were about 5 FT8 station on there. 

What would happen if we went up to the FT8 freq. And start to use field hell 

there they wouldn't like that at all.  I have been on PSK for 5 years and never

had a problem until now. This is my sounding off about the mess we are in.

Does anyone have K1JT e-mail.

 

Bob

wa2aar

 

On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 7:16 PM, N9JCA Chris Matthews <n9jca.chris@...> wrote:

So everyone is is an uproar as to FT8 users using PSK Freqs

Just remember that when there is a SSB CW or RTTY Contest they

also use excessive bandwidth

My only Comment is this

If you are all really concerned as to losing the Bandwidth to FT8

then I suggest that Everyone take the Bull by the Horns and send Joe

K1JT and anyone else you can think of; an E Mail asking WHY FT8 was set

to use the PSK Freqs in the first Place and see if there can be some way

this can come to a head

I for one haven't been on the PSK Freqs for some time due to my

situation   I think Mark ( our Fearless Leader ) has all ready asked for

this Topic to come to and end about a month ago So quit the Belly aching

and start sending those E Mails

My 2c Worth

Chris N9JCA #797

73

-- 

" I am always doing that which I CANNOT do;

in order that I may LEARN how to do it "

 

Let's get a grip on our selves. NOBODY is going to jamb anyone else's signal. Who dreams this stuff up?

FT-8 is not a precursor to the end of the amateur radio world as we know & enjoy it.

"Back in the day"...CW operators had AM operators join them in using their frequencies...Everybody survived.

"Back in the day"...AM operators had SSB operators join them in using their frequencies... Everybody survived.

"Back in the day"...SSB  operators had RTTY come in & placed itself into the CW, AM, SSB & slow scan...Everybody survived.

Then here we come with our pip-squeak little narrow, low power wobbling signals...and "we" placed it in the portion of the band previously used by CW, AM, SSB, & RTTY...Everybody survived. Let's deal with facts, not made up fake news.

It's an annoyance, and 1 more time; it's not the end of the world thru the eyes of Amateur Radio, the ARRL, or any 070 Club member.

Milt -

N6MG

070-650

LONP #76

Trustee for W6QP

 

 

 

From: 070Club@groups.io <070Club@groups.io> On Behalf Of Jerry N9AVY
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 1:52 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Cc: Sr WA5LOU Lou Everett <wa5lou@...>
Subject: Re: [070Club] FT-8 on 14070--071

 

Think this FT-8 problem will only get worse as time goes by.  Perrhaps it may end with the termination of the ARRL Grids Program, but if they think up something different for 2019, the lousy FT-8 operators will have total disregard for other modes/operators... starting to look like another citizens band with FT-8 operators thinking they can go to any part of band they want.

 

This is a major problem and it will undoubtedly descend in retaliatory jamming of FT-8 signals, IMHO.  This is a sad state of affairs when FT-8 operators are operating in what has been PSK31 territory for last several years. It was bad enough when FT-8 used 18.100 as a major operating frequency which is now virtually useless for PSK31. There have been several other modes displaced due to FT-8 operators.

 

 

Jerry  N9AVY

k1jt@... per QRZ.  Probably other means of contacting him at the WSJT page.

 

Mike

WM4B

 

From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Bob Adams
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 9:38 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] FT8

 

Yes but this a dam contest that the ARRL started. And I think they should stop it.

It is time for the PSK station to sent the ARRL E-mail about what is going on.

Last night I was on 14.070 and there were about 5 FT8 station on there. 

What would happen if we went up to the FT8 freq. And start to use field hell 

there they wouldn't like that at all.  I have been on PSK for 5 years and never

had a problem until now. This is my sounding off about the mess we are in.

Does anyone have K1JT e-mail.

 

Bob

wa2aar

 

On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 7:16 PM, N9JCA Chris Matthews <n9jca.chris@...> wrote:

So everyone is is an uproar as to FT8 users using PSK Freqs

Just remember that when there is a SSB CW or RTTY Contest they

also use excessive bandwidth

My only Comment is this

If you are all really concerned as to losing the Bandwidth to FT8

then I suggest that Everyone take the Bull by the Horns and send Joe

K1JT and anyone else you can think of; an E Mail asking WHY FT8 was set

to use the PSK Freqs in the first Place and see if there can be some way

this can come to a head

I for one haven't been on the PSK Freqs for some time due to my

situation   I think Mark ( our Fearless Leader ) has all ready asked for

this Topic to come to and end about a month ago So quit the Belly aching

and start sending those E Mails

My 2c Worth

Chris N9JCA #797

73

-- 

" I am always doing that which I CANNOT do;

in order that I may LEARN how to do it "

 

Geary:

You should be able to tell the difference on your waterfall.  A decent PSK31 signal had defined edges and an FT-8 looks more like a squiggle with  teeth like edges.

Jerry  n9avy

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From: Geary McDowell <ke5irk@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 5:52 PM
Subject: Re: [070Club] Message to FT8 User

Oh no Steve, you were not.  I, like you, worked with the public for many years, I'm pretty tough skinned  HI HI HI.  Having worked in Federal programs most of my career, I am a strict rule follower, so I would not intentionally be in the wrong place.  It would definitely be by accident.  Hey, have you found good Carolina BBQ in Canada yet?  HI HI  We had a good PSK QSO in Feb.  I want to do what is right as I am still pretty new to the hobby, trying to learn as much as I can so I will do it right; and help around here, with over 400 HAMs is very little.  They prefer to keep help to their secret groups with only about four exceptions to that, and I am a past president of the local big club and they still won't help.  I was just licensed about 8 months for HF before major SWR issues took me off the HF bands for nine years, and no one here could/would/wanted to help.  It is all okay now and I am enjoying more than just being the net control for the local storm team, which is why I became a HAM.  Then I found all these other things that were cool too.  All is good, and I cannot tell who is on other bands when FT8 and PSK are in the wrong places on my waterfalls, so I cannot join in on the group discussion there.  HI HI  Ignorance CAN be bliss.  HI HI

I prefer PSK and would like to see a LOT more people on there.

73 to all, Geary KE5IRK

On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 5:28 PM, Steve R via Groups.Io <oldjavadrinker=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

My apologies Geary if I was offending on my post.  You had a Honest mistake and I understand. There are those that are intentionally setting up in the PSK areas and that’s what has everyone on edge.  Again my apologies if I came across as brash.

Steve

2301

On Mar 27, 2018, at 17:50, Geary McDowell <ke5irk@...> wrote:

Okay Steve, and anyone else who noticed the same.  I had a major eh, total hard drive crash on the 12th, after my week and half of rebuilding my system, it is NOT a simple system, I finally got everything reinstalled.  I trusted the freqs in the WSJT-X program were correct, and checking, they are.  I start my day trying to make a PSK contact, usually on 20M.  I can tell more about the bands there looking at that waterfall.  I get maybe 5 a week on PSK.  I have still been averaging 80 a day on FT8.  Then it hit me.  Over the weekend I saw, which is most often, no one on PSK which is my preferred mode.  So I went to spin the dial to listen in for SSB stations during last weekend's contest.  My hearing is just too bad and I don't have the patience for the contest stations who talk so fast this retired Oklahoma boy cannot understand them.  I had longer spurts of no replies to my FT8 CQs the past two days than ever.  With major storms in the area I thought that might have been it.  I noticed my radio was unlocked.  I usually keep the dial locked so the freq does not change at the radio, only via software as the family uses the same computer and I don't always turn off the radio.  Maybe that was it.  I WILL pay closer attention to the software and radio freq screens to make sure I am calling at 14.074 when using FT8.  I've not noticed that issue in PSK.  If you see me calling in the "so called" PSK freq range, please let me know.  The locals here are still telling me there is a "data" range and preferred freqs.  But they are the same ones who told me for nine years to put on new coax to solve the >31 SWR issues, and I already had done that.  HI HI

73, always like to learn and I have a lot to learn,

Geary, KE5IRK

On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 3:26 PM, Geary McDowell <ke5irk@...> wrote:

Hummm, no I did not notice that.  My system my still be having more issues than I thought.  Thank you and I will look into that further.

73, Geary, KE5IRK

On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 2:33 PM, Steve R via Groups.Io <oldjavadrinker=yahoo.com@grou ps.io> wrote:

Email today to KE5IRK.

Do you realize you are calling FT8  CQ right in the center of the PSK band at 14.071.8?  Could be a reason no one is answering.

Steve

--

When all else fails, Amateur Radio works.

--

When all else fails, Amateur Radio works.

--

When all else fails, Amateur Radio works.

So everyone is is an uproar as to FT8 users using PSK Freqs

Just remember that when there is a SSB CW or RTTY Contest they

also use excessive bandwidth

My only Comment is this

If you are all really concerned as to losing the Bandwidth to FT8

then I suggest that Everyone take the Bull by the Horns and send Joe

K1JT and anyone else you can think of; an E Mail asking WHY FT8 was set

to use the PSK Freqs in the first Place and see if there can be some way

this can come to a head

I for one haven't been on the PSK Freqs for some time due to my

situation   I think Mark ( our Fearless Leader ) has all ready asked for

this Topic to come to and end about a month ago So quit the Belly aching

and start sending those E Mails

My 2c Worth

Chris N9JCA #797

73

-- 
" I am always doing that which I CANNOT do;
in order that I may LEARN how to do it "